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(LA Daily News)   None shall pass: residents near the Hollywood Sign happy to see littering, urinating-in-the-bushes tourists gone, but protesters will rally Saturday to demand access at closed gate   ( dailynews.com) divider line
    More: PSA, Los Angeles, Beachwood Drive, Beachwood Drive trailhead, Beachwood Canyon, Mount Lee, Sunset Ranch, Griffith Park, Beachwood Canyon, Los Angeles, California  
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2017-04-15 10:54:25 AM  
Yea, I'm not very happy they're closing this.   And this statement, "I prefer to have it (the gate) locked, and lose all of the people, and all the noise, and all the sound, and all of the litter and everything else that goes along with it," he said."  screams of privilege.   We live in a big city, we'd ALL like some peace and quiet but that's not realistic.

OH, and this, "Attorneys argued in Sunset Ranch's lawsuit that with the high volume of pedestrians, about 15,000 people a month, customers and others doing business with the company frequently need to weave around hikers as they drive in and out of the stable. The city owns the access road, but there is a long-standing agreement giving Sunset Ranch's owners the right to use it." is such BS.   If the city owns the road, why could they not come up with a solution that didn't require closing the road?
 
2017-04-15 11:28:45 AM  
Sorry dude, no smokeout under the Hollyweed sign for you.
 
2017-04-15 11:32:03 AM  
It's probably a pain in the ass to clean up after all the tourists. Also, it's probably too dangerous for California. Someone might twist an ankle and sue the state into oblivion.....

/ meanwhile, if someone twists their ankle on my lawn it's their own damn fault
 
2017-04-15 11:34:18 AM  
"frequently need to weave around hikers"

The person who wrote that argument, and the ones who nod their heads in agreement, need to have their fingernails pulled out slowly.
 
2017-04-15 11:40:29 AM  

iheartscotch: It's probably a pain in the ass to clean up after all the tourists. Also, it's probably too dangerous for California. Someone might twist an ankle and sue the state into oblivion.....

/ meanwhile, if someone twists their ankle on my lawn it's their own damn fault


There are hundreds of trails within the Santa Monica Mtns and many trailheads start at residential streets.  I can understand trash and parking, and the city has somehow managed to come up with a solution in those cases that didn't require closing access.
 
2017-04-15 11:41:19 AM  
Don't worry, since its California, they're going to spend 100k "studying" how people should get access.  To be followed by 500k in planning and $4...5...6...15 million to put in a dirt path and some handrails.

/not satire
/count on it.
 
2017-04-15 11:43:28 AM  
Sorry, but we can't risk having someone altering the sign to make fun of Trump. He's likely to order a bombing of the area if it happens.
 
2017-04-15 11:45:11 AM  

raerae1980: Yea, I'm not very happy they're closing this.   And this statement, "I prefer to have it (the gate) locked, and lose all of the people, and all the noise, and all the sound, and all of the litter and everything else that goes along with it," he said."  screams of privilege.   We live in a big city, we'd ALL like some peace and quiet but that's not realistic.

OH, and this, "Attorneys argued in Sunset Ranch's lawsuit that with the high volume of pedestrians, about 15,000 people a month, customers and others doing business with the company frequently need to weave around hikers as they drive in and out of the stable. The city owns the access road, but there is a long-standing agreement giving Sunset Ranch's owners the right to use it." is such BS.   If the city owns the road, why could they not come up with a solution that didn't require closing the road?


Yeah, there's also a long-standing agreement to let everyone use it.
 
2017-04-15 11:48:01 AM  
Old people and their get-off-my-lawn mindset detected.
 
2017-04-15 12:09:39 PM  
The protestors want to urinate in the bushes?

Cath 'em.
 
2017-04-15 12:12:21 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-04-15 12:15:10 PM  

raerae1980: iheartscotch: It's probably a pain in the ass to clean up after all the tourists. Also, it's probably too dangerous for California. Someone might twist an ankle and sue the state into oblivion.....

/ meanwhile, if someone twists their ankle on my lawn it's their own damn fault

There are hundreds of trails within the Santa Monica Mtns and many trailheads start at residential streets.  I can understand trash and parking, and the city has somehow managed to come up with a solution in those cases that didn't require closing access.


There's a really nice trail in Phoenix, it's on one of the mountains/mesas. I went on it with my mom a million years ago; I saw a roadrunner (it wasn't blue and didn't meep)

Anyway, they had to close the trail because of asshats damaging the 200 year old saguaro cacti. Saguaros only grow there in the Sonoran Desert and are endangered. I imagine that there's a similar reason behind this closure beyond the inconvenience of one property owner.
 
2017-04-15 12:20:35 PM  

iheartscotch: raerae1980: iheartscotch: It's probably a pain in the ass to clean up after all the tourists. Also, it's probably too dangerous for California. Someone might twist an ankle and sue the state into oblivion.....

/ meanwhile, if someone twists their ankle on my lawn it's their own damn fault

There are hundreds of trails within the Santa Monica Mtns and many trailheads start at residential streets.  I can understand trash and parking, and the city has somehow managed to come up with a solution in those cases that didn't require closing access.

There's a really nice trail in Phoenix, it's on one of the mountains/mesas. I went on it with my mom a million years ago; I saw a roadrunner (it wasn't blue and didn't meep)

Anyway, they had to close the trail because of asshats damaging the 200 year old saguaro cacti. Saguaros only grow there in the Sonoran Desert and are endangered. I imagine that there's a similar reason behind this closure beyond the inconvenience of one property owner.


It's Hollywood, the only things in danger of extinction here are natural boobs and souls.
 
2017-04-15 12:33:15 PM  

alex10294: Don't worry, since its California, they're going to spend 100k "studying" how people should get access.  To be followed by 500k in planning and $4...5...6...15 million to put in a dirt path and some handrails.

/not satire
/count on it.


And yet, even if your hyperbolic statement were true, California would still be doing better in every single way by every single metric than just about every state in the union.
 
2017-04-15 12:34:32 PM  
<CSB>
I was on a trip with my family to California as a high school kid, and my dad got lost driving around looking for a good view of the Hollywood sign.  We came upon an open gate, and we were waved through.  My dad just kept driving along, even though we were no longer in the residential area, and we ended up behind the sign, not really knowing what to do and still not getting a good picture either.  When we came back down, the gate had been locked behind us, and not just one lock, but a full ring of locks, which we tried guessing the combinations on as we waited for someone to come let us out.  I know now that this access road was Mt. Lee Drive.  You can see the ring of locks on Google maps.
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2017-04-15 12:40:24 PM  
White sign problems
 
2017-04-15 12:46:05 PM  

trappedspirit: White sign problems


Oh you!
 
2017-04-15 12:55:29 PM  

rudemix: alex10294: Don't worry, since its California, they're going to spend 100k "studying" how people should get access.  To be followed by 500k in planning and $4...5...6...15 million to put in a dirt path and some handrails.

/not satire
/count on it.

And yet, even if your hyperbolic statement were true, California would still be doing better in every single way by every single metric than just about every state in the union.


img.memesuper.com
 
2017-04-15 12:55:37 PM  

raerae1980: Yea, I'm not very happy they're closing this.   And this statement, "I prefer to have it (the gate) locked, and lose all of the people, and all the noise, and all the sound, and all of the litter and everything else that goes along with it," he said."  screams of privilege.   We live in a big city, we'd ALL like some peace and quiet but that's not realistic.

OH, and this, "Attorneys argued in Sunset Ranch's lawsuit that with the high volume of pedestrians, about 15,000 people a month, customers and others doing business with the company frequently need to weave around hikers as they drive in and out of the stable. The city owns the access road, but there is a long-standing agreement giving Sunset Ranch's owners the right to use it." is such BS.   If the city owns the road, why could they not come up with a solution that didn't require closing the road?


Easements are a biatch. You can't cut off access to a property.
 
2017-04-15 12:58:58 PM  

rudemix: alex10294: Don't worry, since its California, they're going to spend 100k "studying" how people should get access.  To be followed by 500k in planning and $4...5...6...15 million to put in a dirt path and some handrails.

/not satire
/count on it.

And yet, even if your hyperbolic statement were true, California would still be doing better in every single way by every single metric than just about every state in the union.


If California is so great then how come so many Californians are fleeing away to other nearby states?
 
2017-04-15 01:00:16 PM  
and occasionally creating a ruckus

Could you describe the ruckus?
 
2017-04-15 01:15:20 PM  

rudemix: alex10294: Don't worry, since its California, they're going to spend 100k "studying" how people should get access.  To be followed by 500k in planning and $4...5...6...15 million to put in a dirt path and some handrails.

/not satire
/count on it.

And yet, even if your hyperbolic statement were true, California would still be doing better in every single way by every single metric than just about every state in the union.


Be interesting to see what California could do without other people's water.
 
2017-04-15 01:49:51 PM  
I wonder if the City has an offer on the land pending.
 
2017-04-15 02:21:56 PM  

BlippityBleep: rudemix: alex10294: Don't worry, since its California, they're going to spend 100k "studying" how people should get access.  To be followed by 500k in planning and $4...5...6...15 million to put in a dirt path and some handrails.

/not satire
/count on it.

And yet, even if your hyperbolic statement were true, California would still be doing better in every single way by every single metric than just about every state in the union.

If California is so great then how come so many Californians are fleeing away to other nearby states?


Because total rendition is coming?
 
2017-04-15 02:32:48 PM  
I see the Cali haters have come out.
 
2017-04-15 02:35:09 PM  
And im on mobile or id find the article, but the people leaving the state tended to be poor and uneducated.   Those moving to the State were more educated and wealthy.
 
2017-04-15 02:37:09 PM  
Every article on this talks about crowds, litter, and the NIMBYs which are echoed by some of the DNRTFA crowd here.

But it's a business getting government to do this to make their life easier, not the residents. How surprised I am to see them get their way and blame it on someone else.
 
rka
2017-04-15 03:08:13 PM  
Jesus, just tear the damn sign down.

Poof, problem solved.
 
2017-04-15 03:20:48 PM  

Bslim: rudemix: alex10294: Don't worry, since its California, they're going to spend 100k "studying" how people should get access.  To be followed by 500k in planning and $4...5...6...15 million to put in a dirt path and some handrails.

/not satire
/count on it.

And yet, even if your hyperbolic statement were true, California would still be doing better in every single way by every single metric than just about every state in the union.

[img.memesuper.com image 551x356]


A simple truth denotes anger? Between my post and the post I quoted which one seemed to be more pissy and angry?
 
2017-04-15 03:25:39 PM  
God those guys taking the selfie in the article look like dorks.
 
2017-04-15 03:33:37 PM  

rudemix: Bslim: rudemix: alex10294: Don't worry, since its California, they're going to spend 100k "studying" how people should get access.  To be followed by 500k in planning and $4...5...6...15 million to put in a dirt path and some handrails.

/not satire
/count on it.

And yet, even if your hyperbolic statement were true, California would still be doing better in every single way by every single metric than just about every state in the union.

[img.memesuper.com image 551x356]

A simple truth denotes anger? Between my post and the post I quoted which one seemed to be more pissy and angry?


This one
 
2017-04-15 03:35:19 PM  

raerae1980: And im on mobile or id find the article, but the people leaving the state tended to be poor and uneducated.   Those moving to the State were more educated and wealthy.


I would love to see that article, the ones I know are well educated. Of course there is a selection bias at play here in addition to my association bias.

Califas transplant hater here. I don't care for the entitled attitude that comes with leaving that state. The constant references to their former state replete with comparisons of cherry-picked examples that refract through rose colored glass while ignoring the nagging sound of cognitive dissonance that is the voice of what caused them to move from California.

I don't care how great California is if you aren't still living there and visiting, I don't want to hear about it. Why? Heard it all before from all the (typically) economic refugees I met before you.

/Enjoy the coast, I hear great things about it
 
2017-04-15 04:32:13 PM  

Diego Dominguez: raerae1980: And im on mobile or id find the article, but the people leaving the state tended to be poor and uneducated.   Those moving to the State were more educated and wealthy.

I would love to see that article, the ones I know are well educated. Of course there is a selection bias at play here in addition to my association bias.

Califas transplant hater here. I don't care for the entitled attitude that comes with leaving that state. The constant references to their former state replete with comparisons of cherry-picked examples that refract through rose colored glass while ignoring the nagging sound of cognitive dissonance that is the voice of what caused them to move from California.

I don't care how great California is if you aren't still living there and visiting, I don't want to hear about it. Why? Heard it all before from all the (typically) economic refugees I met before you.

/Enjoy the coast, I hear great things about it


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-11/california-exporting-its-poo​r​-texas

I hope that works.  The article specifically discusses how Californias are migrating to Texas, and their economic status.    I thought it interesting :)
 
2017-04-15 04:32:59 PM  
Gggrrr...ignore my terrible spelling, please.
 
2017-04-15 05:38:46 PM  

Diego Dominguez: raerae1980: And im on mobile or id find the article, but the people leaving the state tended to be poor and uneducated.   Those moving to the State were more educated and wealthy.

I would love to see that article, the ones I know are well educated. Of course there is a selection bias at play here in addition to my association bias.

Califas transplant hater here. I don't care for the entitled attitude that comes with leaving that state. The constant references to their former state replete with comparisons of cherry-picked examples that refract through rose colored glass while ignoring the nagging sound of cognitive dissonance that is the voice of what caused them to move from California.

I don't care how great California is if you aren't still living there and visiting, I don't want to hear about it. Why? Heard it all before from all the (typically) economic refugees I met before you.

/Enjoy the coast, I hear great things about it


I lived out there for a few years. There are some things that I definitely miss, mostly the variety of food and some entertainment items (manga, indie books, music, and whatnot) that were fairly uncommon on the other side of the United States. I don't miss the rampant unemployment and poverty. You get that here, but out there it just seems like there was more of a stark difference between the two and very few people that fell inbetween.

I remember applying for a job at Taco Bell and dressing nice, but fairly casual. When I went in there were people wearing business suits for their interview. Not just one, but multiple people and the interviewers were very specific with their questions because they knew they could have their pick of people because there were more people without jobs than those with them and people were desperate.
 
2017-04-15 05:49:12 PM  

BlippityBleep: rudemix: alex10294: Don't worry, since its California, they're going to spend 100k "studying" how people should get access.  To be followed by 500k in planning and $4...5...6...15 million to put in a dirt path and some handrails.

/not satire
/count on it.

And yet, even if your hyperbolic statement were true, California would still be doing better in every single way by every single metric than just about every state in the union.

If California is so great then how come so many Californians are fleeing away to other nearby states?


Because it's being overrun by all the assholes moving here from the northeast, midwest, Texas, and China.
 
2017-04-15 05:54:40 PM  

Diego Dominguez: I don't care how great California is if you aren't still living there and visiting, I don't want to hear about it. Why? Heard it all before from all the (typically) economic refugees I met before you.


Hey, I hear ya. There's nothing more irritating that a horde of assholes moving in next door who then proceed to tell you how much better is was in Colorado or Virginia or Boston and how we need to change our city to make it more comfortable for them. Hey, I have an idea - "FARK OFF BACK TO CHICAGO THEN, you farking cultural parasites". When I hear about Californians pulling the same shiat when they move, it makes me similarly angry.

  Unfortunately the loudest people are the ones you hear, and they're the ones saying "make room for me! I deserve to be here, too, you nativist! We need more bike lanes! Your transit sucks! I can't get a decent bagel!"

  Pro tip for humans - unless someone asks, no one cares to hear about where you're from.
 
2017-04-15 06:10:06 PM  

rudemix: alex10294: Don't worry, since its California, they're going to spend 100k "studying" how people should get access.  To be followed by 500k in planning and $4...5...6...15 million to put in a dirt path and some handrails.

/not satire
/count on it.

And yet, even if your hyperbolic statement were true, California would still be doing better in every single way by every single metric than just about every state in the union.


Except that I'm saving 40k in total taxes and 15k in mortgage payments while not having to deal with administrative nightmares, nanny politicians, and sky high bills for everything, while making more money and plowing all that into my student loans.

It's a great place to be poor, really rich, or really nosey.  Everyone else should just leave unless their job is really only available there. I seriously looked into San Diego, but it would have cost me $50k more to live there, all in.
 
2017-04-15 06:37:13 PM  
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2017-04-15 07:52:09 PM  
Meh.  I'd close it.  If people can't use the trail politely and are just going to throw litter and piss everywhere then fark em, take a way access.
 
2017-04-15 08:23:33 PM  
By agreeing to close the gate, the city "swatted a fly with a sledgehammer," he said.

Not sure I agree with that analogy.  Its more like they used a fly swatter to swat a sledgehammer.  Once you start letting the sort of folks who litter and/or piss all over the place into your neighborhood things go to complete shiat pretty fast.  I doubt the closure of the trail will make much of a dent in the problem.  The animals will just find another route.  It sounds like there is one nearby that only adds 2 miles to the hike.  If that is the case then there is just going to be two extra miles of litter and piss smell.
 
2017-04-15 11:08:03 PM  

raerae1980: Diego Dominguez: raerae1980: And im on mobile or id find the article, but the people leaving the state tended to be poor and uneducated.   Those moving to the State were more educated and wealthy.

I would love to see that article, the ones I know are well educated. Of course there is a selection bias at play here in addition to my association bias.

Califas transplant hater here. I don't care for the entitled attitude that comes with leaving that state. The constant references to their former state replete with comparisons of cherry-picked examples that refract through rose colored glass while ignoring the nagging sound of cognitive dissonance that is the voice of what caused them to move from California.

I don't care how great California is if you aren't still living there and visiting, I don't want to hear about it. Why? Heard it all before from all the (typically) economic refugees I met before you.

/Enjoy the coast, I hear great things about it

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-11/california-exporting-its-poor​-texas

I hope that works.  The article specifically discusses how Californias are migrating to Texas, and their economic status.    I thought it interesting :)


I read the article. interesting, confirms what I thought. Unless an economic reason is driving it, don't move to California.

I read the nested article about trying to tax people as they flee the state. Sad.
 
2017-04-16 12:17:46 AM  
Ca. isn't as bad as some folks in other states want to believe.  I have been here all my life (49 now).  Like every state it has is pluses and minuses.  I remember meeting a border patrol agent in El Paso a few years ago when I was on a business trip.  When he learned I was from Ca. he went into this semi-rant on the "over-taxation" and "over regulation" going on in Ca..  I patiently listened while thinking about how I really don't mind having a bit more taxation and regulation than El Paso if it means not living in a city that looks like El Paso.  He was also going off on how you can't make anything in Ca. due to all the taxes and at that point I was thinking, "yeah, I'll take my $125k/year job and a few extra taxes over $35k in El Paso and its low taxes."

That said, I will eventually leave Ca..  One of the minuses is that it is not retiree friendly and my retirement funds will stretch much further somewhere else.  Plus at that point I will want a change in scenery since I have seen pretty much every part of Ca.  I will probably be going to Mt or Co.  That doesn't make Ca. bad, it just makes it not right for me at that point in my life.
 
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