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(Arkansas Online)   Judge to Arkansas regarding the seven upcoming executions: "Not so fast"   ( arkansasonline.com) divider line
    More: Followup, Arkansas Supreme Court, Judge Wendell Griffen, Attorney General, vecuronium bromide, state vecuronium bromide, temporary restraining order, Pulaski County, County circuit judge  
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2017-04-15 01:08:23 AM  
We shouldn't kill people.
 
2017-04-15 02:51:56 AM  
We shouldn't kill people... without televising it. And making the duties of executioner compulsory on citizens, like jury duty.
 
2017-04-15 03:29:52 AM  

feckingmorons: We shouldn't kill people.


Rarely do I agree with you, but ^This^.

I just don't see the Shining City Upon a Hill being proud of state-sponsored execution. I think we need to start with a fundamental idea that nobody has the right to take a life. But especially the state. It would take generations, but more and more people actually espousing that doctrine might, in a few generations, bring down our murder rate. Violent crime is down, generally for the last three decades or so, but our murder rate is still embarrassingly high for an industrialized nation with the best higher educational institutions on earth. You'd think we would be a little more enlightened than this.
 
2017-04-15 05:39:56 AM  
People condemned to die should just be shot. It's simple, cheap and effective.
 
2017-04-15 05:46:49 AM  
This whole story is such a disgusting, shameful mess. Ugh.
 
2017-04-15 05:51:36 AM  
"As a public opponent of capital punishment, Judge Griffen should have recused himself from this case," Deere said.

I thought you guys liked pro-lifers?
 
2017-04-15 05:59:28 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I think we need to start with a fundamental idea that nobody has the right to take a life.


No.

There are plenty of situations where killing people is either a valid solution or the actual best solution to a problem, and a government that doesn't handle them is failing at some of the most basic functions of government.  If you genuinely can't think of any then please kindly fark off out of politics and let the adults handle it.

There are valid arguments against capital punishment, but this is not one of them and your brand of farking infantile bullshiat is why the actual legitimate attempts to abolish the practice can never get sufficient farking traction.  Just... stop farking helping, dude, your help is actively hurting the cause on this one.
 
2017-04-15 06:02:23 AM  

drxym: People condemned to die should just be shot. It's simple, cheap and effective.


img.fark.net
 
2017-04-15 06:13:43 AM  
Odd that the states most against abortion based on the right to life are the ones with the biggest hard-on for capital punishment.  It's almost as if their opposition to abortion isn't based on a right to life at all.

/at least the Catholics are consistent
//assholes in other ways, but consistent
 
2017-04-15 06:21:56 AM  

Descartes: drxym: People condemned to die should just be shot. It's simple, cheap and effective.

[img.fark.net image 260x194]


No, he's not.

And it's not even a deterrent. It's just ol' fashioned biblical revenge.
 
2017-04-15 06:36:01 AM  
"Medical supplier McKesson sold the state vecuronium bromide. In a statement Thursday night, McKesson said it complained to the state after learning that Arkansas planned to use the drug for lethal injections. The state said it would return the drug, McKesson said, and the company issued a refund, but the drug was never returned. "

Wouldn't this be a form of fraud, claiming you will return the product, receiving the refund and yet never returning the product, and if the monies crossed state lines?
 
2017-04-15 06:44:13 AM  
So he wants them to die slowly?  That's sick.
 
2017-04-15 06:53:20 AM  

Polezni Durak: We shouldn't kill people... without televising it. And making the duties of executioner compulsory on citizens, like jury duty.


So, instead of abstractly all being murderers, we'd all have to commit actual murders?
 
2017-04-15 06:59:22 AM  

drxym: People condemned to die should just be shot. It's simple, cheap and effective.


I'm anti-death penalty but if we're going to have it, this.  And it should be public.  Don't disguise it as a medical procedure and carry it out behind closed doors.  You're taking an action and that action is going to kill a human being.  If you're okay with that, fine, but let's not kid ourselves as to what is happening here.
 
2017-04-15 07:03:56 AM  

Wyalt Derp: "As a public opponent of capital punishment, Judge Griffen should have recused himself from this case," Deere said.

I thought you guys liked pro-lifers?


I'm sure he'd feel the same way about a judge who was a vocal proponent of the death penalty. Clearly this man is seething with integrity.
 
2017-04-15 07:05:37 AM  

Warrior Kermit: "Medical supplier McKesson sold the state vecuronium bromide. In a statement Thursday night, McKesson said it complained to the state after learning that Arkansas planned to use the drug for lethal injections. The state said it would return the drug, McKesson said, and the company issued a refund, but the drug was never returned. "

Wouldn't this be a form of fraud, claiming you will return the product, receiving the refund and yet never returning the product, and if the monies crossed state lines?


That and it's typically a crime to misuse drugs.
 
2017-04-15 07:05:43 AM  

nekom: drxym: People condemned to die should just be shot. It's simple, cheap and effective.

I'm anti-death penalty but if we're going to have it, this.  And it should be public.  Don't disguise it as a medical procedure and carry it out behind closed doors.  You're taking an action and that action is going to kill a human being.  If you're okay with that, fine, but let's not kid ourselves as to what is happening here.


please don't make it public.
 
2017-04-15 07:25:10 AM  
Warrior Kermit:
please don't make it public.

I don't mean Best Korea public where an entire town is forced to observe, just optionally available for anybody who chooses to.  If the government won't show the people what they're doing, maybe they shouldn't be doing it.
 
2017-04-15 07:42:34 AM  

Polezni Durak: We shouldn't kill people... without televising it. And making the duties of executioner compulsory on citizens, like jury duty.


Compulsory? img.fark.net
 
2017-04-15 07:43:09 AM  

nekom: Warrior Kermit:
please don't make it public.

I don't mean Best Korea public where an entire town is forced to observe, just optionally available for anybody who chooses to.  If the government won't show the people what they're doing, maybe they shouldn't be doing it.


again, no. death should never be turned into a public event and the state should never sponsor such an event.
 
2017-04-15 07:48:40 AM  

Descartes: drxym: People condemned to die should just be shot. It's simple, cheap and effective.

[img.fark.net image 260x194]


Nope. As has already been stated, we shouldn't kill people. Ever.
Good on this judge.
 
2017-04-15 07:51:29 AM  

Summoner101: Odd that the states most against abortion based on the right to life are the ones with the biggest hard-on for capital punishment.  It's almost as if their opposition to abortion isn't based on a right to life at all.

/at least the Catholics are consistent
//assholes in other ways, but consistent


*eyeroll*
Because no Catholics have ever used birth control or had an abortion.
I think you may mean the Catholic Church.
 
2017-04-15 07:53:13 AM  

Descartes: drxym: People condemned to die should just be shot. It's simple, cheap and effective.

[img.fark.net image 260x194]


And it goes around the order.  The order only says they can't use a specific drug, it doesn't say they can't shoot him.
 
2017-04-15 07:54:15 AM  

Summoner101: Odd that the states most against abortion based on the right to life are the ones with the biggest hard-on for capital punishment.  It's almost as if their opposition to abortion isn't based on a right to life at all.

/at least the Catholics are consistent
//assholes in other ways, but consistent


What, give everyone a chance to live.  Remove the individuals who don't deserve it.
 
2017-04-15 07:56:34 AM  

Warrior Kermit: nekom: Warrior Kermit:
please don't make it public.

I don't mean Best Korea public where an entire town is forced to observe, just optionally available for anybody who chooses to.  If the government won't show the people what they're doing, maybe they shouldn't be doing it.

again, no. death should never be turned into a public event and the state should never sponsor such an event.


Then don't watch.  Just go watch the golf channel.
 
2017-04-15 07:56:52 AM  
Warrior Kermit:
again, no. death should never be turned into a public event and the state should never sponsor such an event.

Then they shouldn't do it all, problem solved.
 
2017-04-15 07:57:43 AM  
I don't see how the drug company has any standing here to put a stop to the executions.
 
2017-04-15 08:01:50 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Descartes: drxym: People condemned to die should just be shot. It's simple, cheap and effective.

[img.fark.net image 260x194]

No, he's not.

And it's not even a deterrent. It's just ol' fashioned biblical revenge.


It is a very effective deterrent to the one that was executed.
 
2017-04-15 08:02:56 AM  
He should have issued the stay cause this is farking ridiculous and gross regardless of your opinion of the death penalty in general.

The state's slandering of the judge is pretty bad  too. I'm sure all judges have opinions about stuff. If they're going to recuse themselves every time a controversy comes up there isn't going to be a judiciary.

FFS, its like someone put fascism drops in the nation's water supply.
 
2017-04-15 08:05:33 AM  
I don't see how executing a bunch of people before a drug expires is any better than bashing a guy's face in because a flight is overbooked.

Also, they are trying to kill these dudes. How important is it that the drugs are not expired?
 
2017-04-15 08:07:23 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Descartes: drxym: People condemned to die should just be shot. It's simple, cheap and effective.

[img.fark.net image 260x194]

No, he's not.

And it's not even a deterrent. It's just ol' fashioned biblical revenge.


Yes, yes I am right. Several bullets delivered to the heart will kill someone stone dead very reliably and effectively. People talk of lethal injection being "humane" but it just draws the process out and risks being botched. Same for other forms of execution which are unnecessarily complex and elaborate. Aim some guns at the condemned person's heart, shoot the guns, they die.

I don't see why you need to conflate the manner of execution with manner that people are convicted or whether it is a deterrent.
 
2017-04-15 08:12:40 AM  

sprgrss: I don't see how the drug company has any standing here to put a stop to the executions.


As an aside, there is a shortage of drugs that are used for lethal injection because the drug companies objeect to them being used for that purpose, so they caused the shortage because of that.
 
2017-04-15 08:16:34 AM  
Ok, serious question: Why not let people on Death Row have access to hard drugs like cocaine and heroin and let them OD?
 
2017-04-15 08:16:43 AM  

drxym: ecmoRandomNumbers: Descartes: drxym: People condemned to die should just be shot. It's simple, cheap and effective.

[img.fark.net image 260x194]

No, he's not.

And it's not even a deterrent. It's just ol' fashioned biblical revenge.

Yes, yes I am right. Several bullets delivered to the heart will kill someone stone dead very reliably and effectively. People talk of lethal injection being "humane" but it just draws the process out and risks being botched. Same for other forms of execution which are unnecessarily complex and elaborate. Aim some guns at the condemned person's heart, shoot the guns, they die.

I don't see why you need to conflate the manner of execution with manner that people are convicted or whether it is a deterrent.


Yeh, but there are other methods of killing people besides lead poisoning. Hanging, guillotine, electrocution, drawn and quartered,....

If we are going to make it public we may as well go all out. Make it a PPV and then have the convict come out and spin a wheel, with several execution methods on it, and the method they land on is how they get executed.
 
2017-04-15 08:16:43 AM  

Sheila_McSly: I don't see how executing a bunch of people before a drug expires is any better than bashing a guy's face in because a flight is overbooked.

Also, they are trying to kill these dudes. How important is it that the drugs are not expired?


Cause the laws say it has to be painless and such.  If the drugs are expired they may not work right and that would be illegal.  As has been stated before why they don't just shot the person I don't know.  There are a bunch of spots on the human body that are instant kill spots(Ie you get hit there you dead before your brain even know you been hit),  Just put the person in a chair with a gun placed behind them at the right spot less then a inch form the body.  Have the gun linked to a few buttons in another room that a few people hit.  One of the buttons fires the gun.
 
2017-04-15 08:23:19 AM  
jumac:
Cause the laws say it has to be painless and such.  If the drugs are expired they may not work right and that would be illegal.  As has been stated before why they don't just shot the person I don't know.  There are a bunch of spots on the human body that are instant kill spots(Ie you get hit there you dead before your brain even know you been hit),  Just put the person in a chair with a gun placed behind them at the right spot less then a inch form the body.  Have the gun linked to a few buttons in another room that a few people hit.  One of the buttons fires the gun.

Or, as I've seen suggested before, why not just get heroin from the local police evidence locker?  What could be more painless than a heroin overdose?  Unless it isn't, but my hunch is that it would be, you just go to sleep and stop breathing right?
 
2017-04-15 08:26:09 AM  
So get this... Arkansas, Arkansas shares a border with, with Oklahoma. See? That's the border. That long line. Right there. See it? Along that border are several cities on each side and sometimes you can't even tell which one you're in. You can go back and forth right along that border, remember that border? A long, shared border with cities that look the same....

I forgot what else Rachel Maddows point was the other night.
 
2017-04-15 08:28:24 AM  
This "TRO" will almost certainly extend the lives of these seven condemned men for years unless it's overturned on appeal.  The state's supply of Midazolam, the sedative used in executions in Arkansas, expires in two weeks.

http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2017/apr/15/state-judge-halts-exec​u​tions-20170415/

drxym: People condemned to die should just be shot. It's simple, cheap and effective.


It's also bloody; for some reason we here in the US have tended to execute people using methods where blood isn't shed.
 
2017-04-15 08:28:30 AM  

nekom: jumac:
Cause the laws say it has to be painless and such.  If the drugs are expired they may not work right and that would be illegal.  As has been stated before why they don't just shot the person I don't know.  There are a bunch of spots on the human body that are instant kill spots(Ie you get hit there you dead before your brain even know you been hit),  Just put the person in a chair with a gun placed behind them at the right spot less then a inch form the body.  Have the gun linked to a few buttons in another room that a few people hit.  One of the buttons fires the gun.

Or, as I've seen suggested before, why not just get heroin from the local police evidence locker?  What could be more painless than a heroin overdose?  Unless it isn't, but my hunch is that it would be, you just go to sleep and stop breathing right?


My understanding is a lot of folks choke to death on their own vomit.

/don't kill people
 
2017-04-15 08:28:54 AM  

Jim_Callahan: ecmoRandomNumbers: I think we need to start with a fundamental idea that nobody has the right to take a life.

No.

There are plenty of situations where killing people is either a valid solution or the actual best solution to a problem, and a government that doesn't handle them is failing at some of the most basic functions of government.  If you genuinely can't think of any then please kindly fark off out of politics and let the adults handle it.

There are valid arguments against capital punishment, but this is not one of them and your brand of farking infantile bullshiat is why the actual legitimate attempts to abolish the practice can never get sufficient farking traction.  Just... stop farking helping, dude, your help is actively hurting the cause on this one.


Military matters under clearly-defined rules of engagement and well-known consequences for breaches thereof, certainly.
Civil matters - only in clearly-defined cases of self-defence, and never in cases of revenge, punishment, or pre-meditation. You want to kill a murderer, or rapist? Defend your right to do so, and convince a clear majority of the voting population to back you up. Otherwise you're just a murderer.
 
2017-04-15 08:34:02 AM  
America.

The only place where people don't think the government is trustworthy enough to administer health insurance, but we're OK with giving them the power to execute citizens.
 
2017-04-15 08:34:38 AM  

lindalouwho: nekom: jumac:
Cause the laws say it has to be painless and such.  If the drugs are expired they may not work right and that would be illegal.  As has been stated before why they don't just shot the person I don't know.  There are a bunch of spots on the human body that are instant kill spots(Ie you get hit there you dead before your brain even know you been hit),  Just put the person in a chair with a gun placed behind them at the right spot less then a inch form the body.  Have the gun linked to a few buttons in another room that a few people hit.  One of the buttons fires the gun.

Or, as I've seen suggested before, why not just get heroin from the local police evidence locker?  What could be more painless than a heroin overdose?  Unless it isn't, but my hunch is that it would be, you just go to sleep and stop breathing right?

My understanding is a lot of folks choke to death on their own vomit.

/don't kill people


You can't.. dust for vomit.
 
2017-04-15 08:34:50 AM  

tirob: This "TRO" will almost certainly extend the lives of these seven condemned men for years unless it's overturned on appeal.  The state's supply of Midazolam, the sedative used in executions in Arkansas, expires in two weeks.

http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2017/apr/15/state-judge-halts-execu​tions-20170415/

drxym: People condemned to die should just be shot. It's simple, cheap and effective.

It's also bloody; for some reason we here in the US have tended to execute people using methods where blood isn't shed.


It's an interpretation of prohibitions against "cruel and unusual", I guess.
 
2017-04-15 08:48:12 AM  

ol' gormsby: tirob

drxym: People condemned to die should just be shot. It's simple, cheap and effective.

It's also bloody; for some reason we here in the US have tended to execute people using methods where blood isn't shed.

It's an interpretation of prohibitions against "cruel and unusual", I guess.


I'd guess that it's more a matter of custom and preference.  When France used to execute people, they did it with the guillotine, which is touted as humane but which is very bloody.  That machine never caught on here for some reason.
 
2017-04-15 08:49:18 AM  

nekom: Warrior Kermit:
please don't make it public.

I don't mean Best Korea public where an entire town is forced to observe, just optionally available for anybody who chooses to.  If the government won't show the people what they're doing, maybe they shouldn't be doing it.


If the person being executed would prefer not to have his last moments televised, would you do it anyway?
 
2017-04-15 08:50:05 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Descartes: drxym: People condemned to die should just be shot. It's simple, cheap and effective.

[img.fark.net image 260x194]

No, he's not.

And it's not even a deterrent. It's just ol' fashioned biblical revenge.


No deterrent at all.  And way more expensive than life in prison.

But it's a proven method to get the dumb ass yeehaws to vote for you.  And ain't that worth a few wrongful convictions?
 
2017-04-15 09:00:58 AM  
McKesson said it complained to the state after learning that Arkansas planned to use the drug for lethal injections.

When a state DOC buys those drugs from you, what the fark else do you think they're for?
 
2017-04-15 09:05:05 AM  
I'm thinking judges need to have more limits on their authority. I'm getting tired of reading about activist judges.
 
2017-04-15 09:05:25 AM  
jjorsett:
If the person being executed would prefer not to have his last moments televised, would you do it anyway?

If they prefer not to be executed for their crime, would you execute them anyway?
 
2017-04-15 09:07:13 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: ecmoRandomNumbers: Descartes: drxym: People condemned to die should just be shot. It's simple, cheap and effective.

[img.fark.net image 260x194]

No, he's not.

And it's not even a deterrent. It's just ol' fashioned biblical revenge.

No deterrent at all.  And way more expensive than life in prison.

But it's a proven method to get the dumb ass yeehaws to vote for you.  And ain't that worth a few wrongful convictions?


Why not go for 'death by wood chipper' then? For the worst crimes, then the murderer gets put in feet-first.
 
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