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(The Drive)   USAF F-35s to be deployed to Europe this weekend, marking a potential escalation where Russia now has to deal with the threat of aircraft parts raining down from overhead   ( thedrive.com) divider line
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2017-04-14 07:08:55 PM  
Well, airshow season has started,so there's that.
 
2017-04-14 08:08:52 PM  
The difference between North Korea and the US is that when the US says it's going to rain down fire, it's not bluffing

/Beautiful multi-million dollar fire
 
2017-04-14 08:13:47 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The difference between North Korea and the US is that when the US says it's going to rain down fire, it's not bluffing

/Beautiful multi-million dollar fire


Waggety-dog, doggety-wag.
Eat it up, Cletus!
 
2017-04-14 08:15:54 PM  
Thanks, Obama
 
2017-04-14 08:18:27 PM  
I didn't think they actually flew.
 
2017-04-14 08:18:31 PM  
The Atlantic Ocean won''t know what hit it!
 
2017-04-14 08:20:09 PM  
Am I missing something? Candidate Trump said our military was spread too thin and underfunded....President Trump is picking a fight with Russia, North Korea and by extent China. Along with the crap still going on when he took office. Is he not the most trustworthy, bestest, bigly President ever? He said he would be :( Even through in a couple of 'believe me's after those claims. It's almost like someone who constantly begs you to believe them is untrustworthy
 
2017-04-14 08:22:36 PM  

TorpedoOrca: Am I missing something? Candidate Trump said our military was spread too thin and underfunded....President Trump is picking a fight with Russia, North Korea and by extent China. Along with the crap still going on when he took office. Is he not the most trustworthy, bestest, bigly President ever? He said he would be :( Even through in a couple of 'believe me's after those claims. It's almost like someone who constantly begs you to believe them is untrustworthy


Ever get rooked buying a used car? Feels the same, huh.
 
2017-04-14 08:29:56 PM  

Coastalgrl: I didn't think they actually flew.


It's the catapult launched version the Navy wanted.
ahutton8.files.wordpress.com
 
2017-04-14 08:30:32 PM  

Notabunny: TorpedoOrca: Am I missing something? Candidate Trump said our military was spread too thin and underfunded....President Trump is picking a fight with Russia, North Korea and by extent China. Along with the crap still going on when he took office. Is he not the most trustworthy, bestest, bigly President ever? He said he would be :( Even through in a couple of 'believe me's after those claims. It's almost like someone who constantly begs you to believe them is untrustworthy

Ever get rooked buying a used car? Feels the same, huh.


Except in this case I knew the car was a POS. I told all my friends it was a POS. I begged everyone not to buy this POS.

When it came time to buy, I, and everyone I consulted with, assured me that I wouldn't be getting the car that was a POS.

Then the next morning, I woke up and had a steaming pile of shiat in my driveway.
 
2017-04-14 08:33:44 PM  

jso2897: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The difference between North Korea and the US is that when the US says it's going to rain down fire, it's not bluffing

/Beautiful multi-million dollar fire

Waggety-dog, doggety-wag.
Eat it up, Cletus!


Uh... ok

/*backs away slowly*
 
2017-04-14 08:35:42 PM  
yeah, we know...F-35 = teh suck.

Name any other high performance aircraft fielded in the last 50 years that did not have significant cost overruns and initial problems. From any manufacturer or country.

I'd be surprised if you could find more than 10% that weren't screwed initially.
 
2017-04-14 08:42:05 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: yeah, we know...F-35 = teh suck.

Name any other high performance aircraft fielded in the last 50 years that did not have significant cost overruns and initial problems. From any manufacturer or country.

I'd be surprised if you could find more than 10% that weren't screwed initially.


Thanks suck..err taxpayers like YOU, we'll keep having them.
 
2017-04-14 08:43:19 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: jso2897: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The difference between North Korea and the US is that when the US says it's going to rain down fire, it's not bluffing

/Beautiful multi-million dollar fire

Waggety-dog, doggety-wag.
Eat it up, Cletus!

Uh... ok

/*backs away slowly*


Acid must be making a comeback. These dudes are hallucinating.
 
2017-04-14 08:43:32 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: jso2897: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The difference between North Korea and the US is that when the US says it's going to rain down fire, it's not bluffing

/Beautiful multi-million dollar fire

Waggety-dog, doggety-wag.
Eat it up, Cletus!

Uh... ok

/*backs away slowly*


I appreciate that, with all the Axe you wear.
 
2017-04-14 08:48:01 PM  

Notabunny: TorpedoOrca: Am I missing something? Candidate Trump said our military was spread too thin and underfunded....President Trump is picking a fight with Russia, North Korea and by extent China. Along with the crap still going on when he took office. Is he not the most trustworthy, bestest, bigly President ever? He said he would be :( Even through in a couple of 'believe me's after those claims. It's almost like someone who constantly begs you to believe them is untrustworthy

Ever get rooked buying a used car? Feels the same, huh.


Don't know why the Dems didn't label him as a used car salesman... afraid of losing the used car salesman vote maybe?

Snake oil salesman might have been okay.

Dude is a conman.  Except what works when gritting your way around entertainment and real estate doesn't work when leader-of-the-free-worlding
 
2017-04-14 08:49:07 PM  
Maybe they're hoping that the Russians will capture one and base a new aircraft on the design.
 
2017-04-14 08:51:57 PM  

Coastalgrl: I didn't think they actually flew.


Only by a wing and a prayer - mostly prayer, lacking wings....or anything else that reliable planes have.
 
2017-04-14 08:53:28 PM  

lilbjorn: Maybe they're hoping that the Russians will capture one and base a new aircraft on the design.


Ahh, the long con.
 
2017-04-14 08:59:58 PM  
F-35s Head To Japan As Chinese Bombers and Carrier Make Big Moves

One of the related headlines. To tired eyes and at a glance, it looks a lot like
F-ASS Head To Japan As Chinese Bombers and Carriers Make Big Moves

At least in their font (and my head) it did. I thought to myself, finally, some truth in journalism,,,


Jojo_TheDogFacedBoy: Notabunny: TorpedoOrca: Am I missing something? Candidate Trump said our military was spread too thin and underfunded....President Trump is picking a fight with Russia, North Korea and by extent China. Along with the crap still going on when he took office. Is he not the most trustworthy, bestest, bigly President ever? He said he would be :( Even through in a couple of 'believe me's after those claims. It's almost like someone who constantly begs you to believe them is untrustworthy

Ever get rooked buying a used car? Feels the same, huh.

Except in this case I knew the car was a POS. I told all my friends it was a POS. I begged everyone not to buy this POS.

When it came time to buy, I, and everyone I consulted with, assured me that I wouldn't be getting the car that was a POS.

Then the next morning, I woke up and had a steaming pile of shiat in my driveway.


And you can't sell it to anyone else, have it towed, impounded or scrapped. And it invites a whole junkyard of POS's to show up as well. Then they all start changing your HOA rules and fees.
But yeah, pretty much...
 
2017-04-14 09:04:25 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: yeah, we know...F-35 = teh suck.

Name any other high performance aircraft fielded in the last 50 years that did not have significant cost overruns and initial problems. From any manufacturer or country.

I'd be surprised if you could find more than 10% that weren't screwed initially.


It's just that 10% seem to comprise all of the planes we fly to this day:

The F-15
The F-16
The F-18
The A-10
The F-5/F-20
 
2017-04-14 09:08:09 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: YouPeopleAreCrazy: yeah, we know...F-35 = teh suck.

Name any other high performance aircraft fielded in the last 50 years that did not have significant cost overruns and initial problems. From any manufacturer or country.

I'd be surprised if you could find more than 10% that weren't screwed initially.

It's just that 10% seem to comprise all of the planes we fly to this day:

The F-15
The F-16
The F-18
The A-10
The F-5/F-20


I wouldn't give the F-22 high marks, either. And it feels like we're progressively paying more and more for shoddier and shoddier.
 
2017-04-14 09:10:46 PM  
Release the rivets!
 
2017-04-14 09:13:22 PM  

TorpedoOrca: Am I missing something? Candidate Trump said our military was spread too thin and underfunded....President Trump is picking a fight with Russia, North Korea and by extent China. Along with the crap still going on when he took office. Is he not the most trustworthy, bestest, bigly President ever? He said he would be :( Even through in a couple of 'believe me's after those claims. It's almost like someone who constantly begs you to believe them is untrustworthy


Why do you think the military needs a trillion dollars in funding if not to fight all these wars, dude.  So Trump can have the bigliest military dictator parade ever?

Okay, so he wants both, but it's mostly so he can start a bunch of wars.
 
2017-04-14 09:16:07 PM  

jso2897: MaudlinMutantMollusk: jso2897: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The difference between North Korea and the US is that when the US says it's going to rain down fire, it's not bluffing

/Beautiful multi-million dollar fire

Waggety-dog, doggety-wag.
Eat it up, Cletus!

Uh... ok

/*backs away slowly*

I appreciate that, with all the Axe you wear.


My, you're a witty little fellow, aren't you?

/Have a real nice day
 
2017-04-14 09:18:28 PM  
What they all have in common? They were planes that were built to do one job. But so solidly built they ended up taking on several more.

Ok, technically the F/A-18 was 2 planes (a fighter and a bomber) that in development and testing they managed to merge into a single airframe. And in a twist of fate, most of the groundwork for that craft was laid in the YF-17, the fly off competitor to the F-16 that didn't make the cut.

But the story is even more twisted. To get around congressional scrutiny, the "super hornet" was pitched as an improved F/A-18. While it does use the same basic design, it was really a whole new plane.

I don't think there is an asterisk that can really encapsulate how weird that airplane really is.
 
2017-04-14 09:20:18 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: yeah, we know...F-35 = teh suck.

Name any other high performance aircraft fielded in the last 50 years that did not have significant cost overruns and initial problems. From any manufacturer or country.

I'd be surprised if you could find more than 10% that weren't screwed initially.


Yeah, except the Chinese and Russian planes have costs significantly cheaper than ours.  America's military has a sci-fi problem.  We always want the flashiest Starfleet pew pews rather than 'works just good enough and is rugged as f@rk'.  Well, you can't have Starfleet on a budget.

Frankly, drones are at the point that I seriously question why we need an Air Force anymore anyway.  We could make do with some heavy hauler freight carriers (which the Air Force historically underbuys because all their pilots want to be Baron Richtofen's and not Scully's).  The Air Force seriously ignores it's role as ground support for the other services in it's desire for the most bad ass crotch rockets.
 
2017-04-14 09:24:50 PM  

Daemonik: We could make do with some heavy hauler freight carriers (which the Air Force historically underbuys because all their pilots want to be Baron Richtofen's and not Scully's).  The Air Force seriously ignores it's role as ground support for the other services in it's desire for the most bad ass crotch rockets.


There are 3 C-5 maintenance crew members currently drinking beer on my couch. They agree 100%, at least for 4 more years until they can retire.
 
2017-04-14 09:31:27 PM  
The aircraft's ability to soak of electronic intelligence

Pricipal Caught soak of?
 
2017-04-14 09:35:32 PM  

GaperKiller: Daemonik: We could make do with some heavy hauler freight carriers (which the Air Force historically underbuys because all their pilots want to be Baron Richtofen's and not Scully's).  The Air Force seriously ignores it's role as ground support for the other services in it's desire for the most bad ass crotch rockets.

There are 3 C-5 maintenance crew members currently drinking beer on my couch. They agree 100%, at least for 4 more years until they can retire.


Just guessing.

i.imgur.com
 
2017-04-14 09:37:20 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: yeah, we know...F-35 = teh suck.

Name any other high performance aircraft fielded in the last 50 years that did not have significant cost overruns and initial problems. From any manufacturer or country.

I'd be surprised if you could find more than 10% that weren't screwed initially.


F/A-18 Rhino. 

It isn't the same airframe as the F/A-18 Hornet, but the navy was smart and made it seem like an upgrade.
 
2017-04-14 09:53:52 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: yeah, we know...F-35 = teh suck.

Name any other high performance aircraft fielded in the last 50 years that did not have significant cost overruns and initial problems. From any manufacturer or country.

I'd be surprised if you could find more than 10% that weren't screwed initially.


Don't they require a week to deploy because they need to provision with huge cargo container based computers that coordinate everything in the formation, have no weapons that are tested and implemented and can't actually target anything because their computers aren't properly syncing the various sensor systems creating ghost images?
 
2017-04-14 09:57:32 PM  

GaperKiller: Daemonik: We could make do with some heavy hauler freight carriers (which the Air Force historically underbuys because all their pilots want to be Baron Richtofen's and not Scully's).  The Air Force seriously ignores it's role as ground support for the other services in it's desire for the most bad ass crotch rockets.

There are 3 C-5 maintenance crew members currently drinking beer on my couch. They agree 100%, at least for 4 more years until they can retire.


I used to live right by Travis and I would sometimes go right up to the fence by the runway to watch those take off. The power is incredible. It's like watching an apartment building take flight.
 
2017-04-14 10:04:11 PM  

RJReves: Release the rivets!


They're not rivets. They're non-rotating surface compression units.
 
2017-04-14 10:09:46 PM  

BolloxReader: YouPeopleAreCrazy: yeah, we know...F-35 = teh suck.

Name any other high performance aircraft fielded in the last 50 years that did not have significant cost overruns and initial problems. From any manufacturer or country.

I'd be surprised if you could find more than 10% that weren't screwed initially.

Don't they require a week to deploy because they need to provision with huge cargo container based computers that coordinate everything in the formation, have no weapons that are tested and implemented and can't actually target anything because their computers aren't properly syncing the various sensor systems creating ghost images?


Oh well, if you're gonna nitpick...
 
2017-04-14 10:12:04 PM  

BolloxReader: YouPeopleAreCrazy: yeah, we know...F-35 = teh suck.

Name any other high performance aircraft fielded in the last 50 years that did not have significant cost overruns and initial problems. From any manufacturer or country.

I'd be surprised if you could find more than 10% that weren't screwed initially.

Don't they require a week to deploy because they need to provision with huge cargo container based computers that coordinate everything in the formation, have no weapons that are tested and implemented and can't actually target anything because their computers aren't properly syncing the various sensor systems creating ghost images?


For the whole wing, at least a week. Each requires to be plugged in to a computer for 24 hours in order to upload and encrypt the information. Only one computer, which is the size of a semi trailer, can service one plane at a time. After that, as long as there is no clouds, the temp isn't too high or low and it isn't raining, it can at least take off.

/have they fixed the oxygen system randomly cutting off?
 
2017-04-14 10:18:28 PM  

Witty_Retort: BolloxReader: YouPeopleAreCrazy: yeah, we know...F-35 = teh suck.

Name any other high performance aircraft fielded in the last 50 years that did not have significant cost overruns and initial problems. From any manufacturer or country.

I'd be surprised if you could find more than 10% that weren't screwed initially.

Don't they require a week to deploy because they need to provision with huge cargo container based computers that coordinate everything in the formation, have no weapons that are tested and implemented and can't actually target anything because their computers aren't properly syncing the various sensor systems creating ghost images?

For the whole wing, at least a week. Each requires to be plugged in to a computer for 24 hours in order to upload and encrypt the information. Only one computer, which is the size of a semi trailer, can service one plane at a time. After that, as long as there is no clouds, the temp isn't too high or low and it isn't raining, it can at least take off.

/have they fixed the oxygen system randomly cutting off?


Of course, outside North America they need an adapter. And in months with 31 days...
 
2017-04-14 10:30:20 PM  

Jojo_TheDogFacedBoy: Notabunny: TorpedoOrca: Am I missing something? Candidate Trump said our military was spread too thin and underfunded....President Trump is picking a fight with Russia, North Korea and by extent China. Along with the crap still going on when he took office. Is he not the most trustworthy, bestest, bigly President ever? He said he would be :( Even through in a couple of 'believe me's after those claims. It's almost like someone who constantly begs you to believe them is untrustworthy

Ever get rooked buying a used car? Feels the same, huh.

Except in this case I knew the car was a POS. I told all my friends it was a POS. I begged everyone not to buy this POS.

When it came time to buy, I, and everyone I consulted with, assured me that I wouldn't be getting the car that was a POS.

Then the next morning, I woke up and had a steaming pile of shiat in my driveway.


Yeah, but the only other viable car on the lot had a lot of leaks, and was widely known for getting people killed, and previous models of that car had a pretty poor record with leaving stains on your clothes and constantly stank of cigar.
The dealership just really sucks.
 
2017-04-14 10:38:34 PM  
Quite a bit of symmetry here - the US with planes that barely fly, and the Russians with an aircraft carrier that barely floats.
 
2017-04-14 10:54:40 PM  
Guess Donnie really wants to pad out that defense budget to replace planes now and munitions now...
 
2017-04-14 10:57:42 PM  

Bslim: YouPeopleAreCrazy: yeah, we know...F-35 = teh suck.

Name any other high performance aircraft fielded in the last 50 years that did not have significant cost overruns and initial problems. From any manufacturer or country.

I'd be surprised if you could find more than 10% that weren't screwed initially.

Thanks suck..err taxpayers like YOU, we'll keep having them.


Wow, I must have missed the F-35 checkbox funding on my returns.

I don't think Farkers would be happy until the U.S. replaced every aircraft with the A-10.  I mean, if sentimentality wins wars, how could we ever lose?
 
2017-04-14 11:07:45 PM  

Fubegra: Quite a bit of symmetry here - the US with planes that barely fly, and the Russians with an aircraft carrier that barely floats.


Landing one on the other would divide by zero.
 
2017-04-14 11:10:14 PM  

eyeq360: RJReves: Release the rivets!

They're not rivets. They're non-rotating surface compression units.


Deploy the non-rotating surface compression units.
 
2017-04-14 11:11:39 PM  
Um, why?  Outside of getting headlines from idiot sources that idiots read.

If I remember correctly the F-35 can't aim it's gun worth a shiat.  Any missile stuck on it won't work for shiat.  The HUD doesn't work.  The stealth coating requires baby lotion applied by virgins after every flight, and don't even think of flying in the rain.  Only thing I haven't heard about it is in-air refueling, so I guess they can give it plenty of gas.
 
2017-04-14 11:20:57 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Fubegra: Quite a bit of symmetry here - the US with planes that barely fly, and the Russians with an aircraft carrier that barely floats.

Landing one on the other would divide by zero.


I think it would be more like the cat with the piece of buttered toast tied to its back - the plane would end up floating on the water with the carrier hovering above it.
 
2017-04-14 11:33:11 PM  

Watubi: Bslim: YouPeopleAreCrazy: yeah, we know...F-35 = teh suck.

Name any other high performance aircraft fielded in the last 50 years that did not have significant cost overruns and initial problems. From any manufacturer or country.

I'd be surprised if you could find more than 10% that weren't screwed initially.

Thanks suck..err taxpayers like YOU, we'll keep having them.

Wow, I must have missed the F-35 checkbox funding on my returns.

I don't think Farkers would be happy until the U.S. replaced every aircraft with the A-10.  I mean, if sentimentality wins wars, how could we ever lose?


I think most of the F-35 sucks squadron would be very happy if the DOD recognized what a tremendous boondoggle this program is, and scrap it, and do what they started doing back in 1993.

The Air Force needs a cheap, disposable, relatively low-tech fighter-bomber that can be built quickly and in large numbers, that is simple to fly and train, to supplement the F-22.

The Navy needs needs an attack aircraft with a decent payload and decent range, as well as a reasonably expendible nature and some air-defense capability.  It needs to be CATOBAR capable, and will supplement the Super Hornet.

The Marines need a rugged STOVL attack aircraft with minimal self-defense for stand-off- and close-in ground support to use in an amphibious attack environment.

What they're all getting now is an incredibly complex, ultra-tech 'stealth' aircraft that is incredibly finicky and tasked to do every combat mission all 3 services can throw at it, from stand-off interception to anti-armor CAS.  And they're all getting DIFFERENT aircraft, but the three airplanes all need to look the same in order to fool people that they're really the same plane, so all of these contradictory mission profiles have to be accommodate in a completely arbitrary airframe choice (based on the STOVL requirement, no less!)
 
2017-04-14 11:33:16 PM  

Watubi: Bslim: YouPeopleAreCrazy: yeah, we know...F-35 = teh suck.

Name any other high performance aircraft fielded in the last 50 years that did not have significant cost overruns and initial problems. From any manufacturer or country.

I'd be surprised if you could find more than 10% that weren't screwed initially.

Thanks suck..err taxpayers like YOU, we'll keep having them.

Wow, I must have missed the F-35 checkbox funding on my returns.

I don't think Farkers would be happy until the U.S. replaced every aircraft with the A-10.  I mean, if sentimentality wins wars, how could we ever lose?


Point of order. There are some around here that miss the old Skyraider and thing the F-4 was god's gift to both Naval and Air Forces aviation.

Granted they are the folks my Dad's age who flew them.

/my Grandfather's plane from WWII is actually in the Smithsonian.
//as in he was the radioman on *that* aircraft
///look for the float plane hanging above the Enola Gay
////NOSTALGIA!!!
 
2017-04-14 11:34:57 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Fubegra: Quite a bit of symmetry here - the US with planes that barely fly, and the Russians with an aircraft carrier that barely floats.

Landing one on the other would divide by zero.


"Ah checkmate, Comrade. Your stoppable force and collided with my movable object!"
 
2017-04-15 01:17:23 AM  
Holy crap! I'm amazed this thread hadn't turned into an A10 circle jerk already.

*Unzips*

img.fark.net
 
2017-04-15 01:28:23 AM  

Kurohone: Watubi: Bslim: YouPeopleAreCrazy: yeah, we know...F-35 = teh suck.

Name any other high performance aircraft fielded in the last 50 years that did not have significant cost overruns and initial problems. From any manufacturer or country.

I'd be surprised if you could find more than 10% that weren't screwed initially.

Thanks suck..err taxpayers like YOU, we'll keep having them.

Wow, I must have missed the F-35 checkbox funding on my returns.

I don't think Farkers would be happy until the U.S. replaced every aircraft with the A-10.  I mean, if sentimentality wins wars, how could we ever lose?

I think most of the F-35 sucks squadron would be very happy if the DOD recognized what a tremendous boondoggle this program is, and scrap it, and do what they started doing back in 1993.

The Air Force needs a cheap, disposable, relatively low-tech fighter-bomber that can be built quickly and in large numbers, that is simple to fly and train, to supplement the F-22.

The Navy needs needs an attack aircraft with a decent payload and decent range, as well as a reasonably expendible nature and some air-defense capability.  It needs to be CATOBAR capable, and will supplement the Super Hornet.

The Marines need a rugged STOVL attack aircraft with minimal self-defense for stand-off- and close-in ground support to use in an amphibious attack environment.

What they're all getting now is an incredibly complex, ultra-tech 'stealth' aircraft that is incredibly finicky and tasked to do every combat mission all 3 services can throw at it, from stand-off interception to anti-armor CAS.  And they're all getting DIFFERENT aircraft, but the three airplanes all need to look the same in order to fool people that they're really the same plane, so all of these contradictory mission profiles have to be accommodate in a completely arbitrary airframe choice (based on the STOVL requirement, no less!)


I was wondering why we have the 35s when we have the F22? Aren't they both capable of the same job? (At least in what the AF needs). Then you only have to worry about the Navy and Marines. As far as the Navy if they need stealth could they not stealthify a F-18, or Aircrafterize  (couple of new verbs today) a F-22?
And that just leaves Marines who could probably benefit some actual new SVTOL. Seems a refit of some existing planes and a new basic plane for the Marines would be a lot cheaper.
 
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