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2017-04-14 12:47:45 PM  
Sadly, this happens in Utah ALL THE TIME. We have a disproportionately high rate of sexual assault and abuse, especially involving children and teens. In cases where the abuser is not a family member, here it is often a trusted member of the LDS church.

And when they're caught, and hauled before a Mormon judge, I can personally attest to the fact that they will get sympathy and lighter sentences, if they're convicted at all, especially when the victim is "unsympathetic" (queer, not religious, sexually active outside marriage, etc)

We have one judge in Davis County, Michael Allphin, who does this consistently, and has done so for years.  Wanna fondle little girls and boys and get a slap on the wrist?  Be a good little Mo who is active in the church, and get Judge Allphin to hear your case when you get busted for it.
 
2017-04-14 01:23:34 PM  

docpeteyJ: Sadly, this happens in Utah ALL THE TIME. We have a disproportionately high rate of sexual assault and abuse, especially involving children and teens. In cases where the abuser is not a family member, here it is often a trusted member of the LDS church.

And when they're caught, and hauled before a Mormon judge, I can personally attest to the fact that they will get sympathy and lighter sentences, if they're convicted at all, especially when the victim is "unsympathetic" (queer, not religious, sexually active outside marriage, etc)

We have one judge in Davis County, Michael Allphin, who does this consistently, and has done so for years.  Wanna fondle little girls and boys and get a slap on the wrist?  Be a good little Mo who is active in the church, and get Judge Allphin to hear your case when you get busted for it.


How is this allowed to happen in the year 2017 in the first world?  I'm not doubting you here, just asking WTF.
 
2017-04-14 01:27:03 PM  
Repression = perversion
 
2017-04-14 01:29:30 PM  

nekom: docpeteyJ: Sadly, this happens in Utah ALL THE TIME. We have a disproportionately high rate of sexual assault and abuse, especially involving children and teens. In cases where the abuser is not a family member, here it is often a trusted member of the LDS church.

And when they're caught, and hauled before a Mormon judge, I can personally attest to the fact that they will get sympathy and lighter sentences, if they're convicted at all, especially when the victim is "unsympathetic" (queer, not religious, sexually active outside marriage, etc)

We have one judge in Davis County, Michael Allphin, who does this consistently, and has done so for years.  Wanna fondle little girls and boys and get a slap on the wrist?  Be a good little Mo who is active in the church, and get Judge Allphin to hear your case when you get busted for it.

How is this allowed to happen in the year 2017 in the first world?  I'm not doubting you here, just asking WTF.


Because they belong to the same tribe
 
2017-04-14 01:40:53 PM  

whither_apophis: How is this allowed to happen in the year 2017 in the first world?  I'm not doubting you here, just asking WTF.

Because they belong to the same tribe


Exactly.  It's not so common in more progressive counties like Summit and Salt Lake, but get outside those areas and yeah, it happens a lot.

Hell, we had one judge, David Young, who not only allowed two men who beat a gay man to death use the "Gay Panic Defense" to get a successful acquittal on murder, but he also refused to grant custody to a woman based on her decision not to raise her children in the Mormon church, instead granting full custody to her husband, who had a history of domestic violence.

What do you expect from a state who will lock you up for five years for possessing a small amount of marijuana, but turns a blind eye to the rampant child sexual abuse and incest committed by polygamists?
 
2017-04-14 01:53:33 PM  

nekom: docpeteyJ: Sadly, this happens in Utah ALL THE TIME. We have a disproportionately high rate of sexual assault and abuse, especially involving children and teens. In cases where the abuser is not a family member, here it is often a trusted member of the LDS church.

And when they're caught, and hauled before a Mormon judge, I can personally attest to the fact that they will get sympathy and lighter sentences, if they're convicted at all, especially when the victim is "unsympathetic" (queer, not religious, sexually active outside marriage, etc)

We have one judge in Davis County, Michael Allphin, who does this consistently, and has done so for years.  Wanna fondle little girls and boys and get a slap on the wrist?  Be a good little Mo who is active in the church, and get Judge Allphin to hear your case when you get busted for it.

How is this allowed to happen in the year 2017 in the first world?  I'm not doubting you here, just asking WTF.


Injustice happens all the time in all places in the first world, not just Utah. Yes, even in 2017.
 
2017-04-14 01:57:34 PM  
The light sentence for rape caused one judge to step down.

This "judge" should face the same pressure.
 
2017-04-14 01:58:27 PM  

Jake Havechek: Repression = perversion


^This. This right here.

Although I might add
Repression = perversion + projection
 
2017-04-14 02:00:42 PM  

docpeteyJ: whither_apophis: How is this allowed to happen in the year 2017 in the first world?  I'm not doubting you here, just asking WTF.

Because they belong to the same tribe

Exactly.  It's not so common in more progressive counties like Summit and Salt Lake, but get outside those areas and yeah, it happens a lot.

Hell, we had one judge, David Young, who not only allowed two men who beat a gay man to death use the "Gay Panic Defense" to get a successful acquittal on murder, but he also refused to grant custody to a woman based on her decision not to raise her children in the Mormon church, instead granting full custody to her husband, who had a history of domestic violence.

What do you expect from a state who will lock you up for five years for possessing a small amount of marijuana, but turns a blind eye to the rampant child sexual abuse and incest committed by polygamists?


I'm sure the prosecutor in that case did a firebrand attack of the gay panic defense too...
 
2017-04-14 02:04:26 PM  
I'm not at all surprised the Judge said that. This has been going on forever with the LDS and it's disturbing how brainwashed and culty they are.  I want nothing to do with Utah, that whole state is weird and f*cked up.
 
2017-04-14 02:08:10 PM  
The American Mafia=Mormons.
 
2017-04-14 02:14:00 PM  
I dropped LDS once back when I was in high school.  It was a helluva trip.
 
2017-04-14 02:14:43 PM  

docpeteyJ: Sadly, this happens in Utah ALL THE TIME. We have a disproportionately high rate of sexual assault and abuse, especially involving children and teens. In cases where the abuser is not a family member, here it is often a trusted member of the LDS church.

And when they're caught, and hauled before a Mormon judge, I can personally attest to the fact that they will get sympathy and lighter sentences, if they're convicted at all, especially when the victim is "unsympathetic" (queer, not religious, sexually active outside marriage, etc)

We have one judge in Davis County, Michael Allphin, who does this consistently, and has done so for years.  Wanna fondle little girls and boys and get a slap on the wrist?  Be a good little Mo who is active in the church, and get Judge Allphin to hear your case when you get busted for it.


That's totally farked up.
 
2017-04-14 02:15:14 PM  
FTFA: Fourth District Court Judge Thomas Low had glowing praise for a man who was convicted of molesting two female relatives while they stayed at his home three years ago.

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2017-04-14 02:18:54 PM  
Thank you, your honor.  And as a great man, I would like to mentor your children so that they can achieve great things too.  I'll do extraordinary things to, er, with them.
 
2017-04-14 02:20:28 PM  
 Perhaps it's time for Mormology: A national protest against the Mormon Church for its sustained support of child sexual abuse, history of graft, and thinly veiled attempts to create a Mormon Theocracy, as well as their historical history of terrorist attacks against the United States (Mormons did 9-11, Google it).

These people have plans to take over a chunk of the United States from Idaho to Mexico should the United States balkanize.  It draws Mormon leadership's support of Trump into a whole new light.
 
2017-04-14 02:21:17 PM  

whither_apophis: docpeteyJ: whither_apophis: How is this allowed to happen in the year 2017 in the first world?  I'm not doubting you here, just asking WTF.

Because they belong to the same tribe

Exactly.  It's not so common in more progressive counties like Summit and Salt Lake, but get outside those areas and yeah, it happens a lot.

Hell, we had one judge, David Young, who not only allowed two men who beat a gay man to death use the "Gay Panic Defense" to get a successful acquittal on murder, but he also refused to grant custody to a woman based on her decision not to raise her children in the Mormon church, instead granting full custody to her husband, who had a history of domestic violence.

What do you expect from a state who will lock you up for five years for possessing a small amount of marijuana, but turns a blind eye to the rampant child sexual abuse and incest committed by polygamists?

I'm sure the prosecutor in that case did a firebrand attack of the gay panic defense too...


Wait. Is the gay panic defense = twinkie defense?
All this damn math.
 
2017-04-14 02:28:39 PM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: Perhaps it's time for Mormology: A national protest against the Mormon Church for its sustained support of child sexual abuse, history of graft, and thinly veiled attempts to create a Mormon Theocracy, as well as their historical history of terrorist attacks against the United States (Mormons did 9-11, Google it).

These people have plans to take over a chunk of the United States from Idaho to Mexico should the United States balkanize.  It draws Mormon leadership's support of Trump into a whole new light.


He's right you know. The Mountain Meadow Massacre took place Sept 7-11, 1857.
 
2017-04-14 02:29:45 PM  

TsarTom: whither_apophis: docpeteyJ: whither_apophis: How is this allowed to happen in the year 2017 in the first world?  I'm not doubting you here, just asking WTF.

Because they belong to the same tribe

Exactly.  It's not so common in more progressive counties like Summit and Salt Lake, but get outside those areas and yeah, it happens a lot.

Hell, we had one judge, David Young, who not only allowed two men who beat a gay man to death use the "Gay Panic Defense" to get a successful acquittal on murder, but he also refused to grant custody to a woman based on her decision not to raise her children in the Mormon church, instead granting full custody to her husband, who had a history of domestic violence.

What do you expect from a state who will lock you up for five years for possessing a small amount of marijuana, but turns a blind eye to the rampant child sexual abuse and incest committed by polygamists?

I'm sure the prosecutor in that case did a firebrand attack of the gay panic defense too...

Wait. Is the gay panic defense = twinkie defense?
All this damn math.


The Gay/Transgender Panic Defense is where someone physically and/or sexually assaults a gay or trans person, and uses the excuse that they did it because the victim "hid" that they are homosexual or transgender from them, resulting in the perpetrator panicking and subsequently losing control and beating/raping/killing them.

Yes, it works.  And yes, in some states like Utah, it's still an allowable defense.
 
2017-04-14 02:29:49 PM  
This is why you don't mix religion in government, folks.

And, of course, this is why Republicans want this to be the legal practice nationwide.
 
2017-04-14 02:30:34 PM  

nekom: docpeteyJ: Sadly, this happens in Utah ALL THE TIME. We have a disproportionately high rate of sexual assault and abuse, especially involving children and teens. In cases where the abuser is not a family member, here it is often a trusted member of the LDS church.

And when they're caught, and hauled before a Mormon judge, I can personally attest to the fact that they will get sympathy and lighter sentences, if they're convicted at all, especially when the victim is "unsympathetic" (queer, not religious, sexually active outside marriage, etc)

We have one judge in Davis County, Michael Allphin, who does this consistently, and has done so for years.  Wanna fondle little girls and boys and get a slap on the wrist?  Be a good little Mo who is active in the church, and get Judge Allphin to hear your case when you get busted for it.

How is this allowed to happen in the year 2017 in the first world?  I'm not doubting you here, just asking WTF.


Religion tends to program some nasty assumptions and biases into us. One of them, we see on display here. It programs many people with an inherent assumption that being a religious person by definition makes someone not only moral, but a "good" person.

God is "good", so naturally anyone who is on God's side must be good by definition.

Programming in these biases and assumptions is why it's so important to the fundamentalist religious (whose lives are self-defined by their religiois choice) that they both indoctrinate their children with them while they're young, before they can do too much philosophical questioning, and why they so viscerally and utterly HATE that schools, media and other places might expose their children to other viewpoints.
 
2017-04-14 02:35:47 PM  
Nuke the entire site from orbit.
 
2017-04-14 02:41:25 PM  

Jake Havechek: Nuke the entire site from orbit.


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2017-04-14 02:44:03 PM  
Why do we always focus on the negative? Aside from kidnapping, rape, murder, and necrophilia, Ted Bundy was a really nice guy
 
2017-04-14 02:44:56 PM  
All states have judges who give no or little punishment to people who come to jeebuss.   That is one reason why WA has minimum sentenses to limit judges disgresion
 
2017-04-14 02:46:06 PM  

docpeteyJ: And when they're caught, and hauled before a Mormon judge, I can personally attest to the fact that they will get sympathy and lighter sentences, if they're convicted at all,


stop electing shiatty judges then
 
2017-04-14 02:47:45 PM  

TsarTom: backhand.slap.of.reason: Perhaps it's time for Mormology: A national protest against the Mormon Church for its sustained support of child sexual abuse, history of graft, and thinly veiled attempts to create a Mormon Theocracy, as well as their historical history of terrorist attacks against the United States (Mormons did 9-11, Google it).

These people have plans to take over a chunk of the United States from Idaho to Mexico should the United States balkanize.  It draws Mormon leadership's support of Trump into a whole new light.

He's right you know. The Mountain Meadow Massacre took place Sept 7-11, 1857.


Reads like part of the storyline from The Expanse on SyFy: Mormons have plans.
 
2017-04-14 02:48:16 PM  
I know Utah is great for outdoorsy stuff, but fark me sideways I cannot see the appeal of living there as a non-Mormon for the life of me.
 
2017-04-14 02:49:59 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: docpeteyJ: And when they're caught, and hauled before a Mormon judge, I can personally attest to the fact that they will get sympathy and lighter sentences, if they're convicted at all,

stop electing shiatty judges then


Most of the judges here are Mormon and Mormons vote them in.  Others are appointed by the Mormon-dominated government.

But sometimes, it does work.  One of the judges I cited, David Young, was kicked to the curb after people finally had enough of his sh*t.  Allphin is still around, but he's in a very conservative Mormon district.
 
2017-04-14 02:50:15 PM  

nekom: docpeteyJ: Sadly, this happens in Utah ALL THE TIME. We have a disproportionately high rate of sexual assault and abuse, especially involving children and teens. In cases where the abuser is not a family member, here it is often a trusted member of the LDS church.

And when they're caught, and hauled before a Mormon judge, I can personally attest to the fact that they will get sympathy and lighter sentences, if they're convicted at all, especially when the victim is "unsympathetic" (queer, not religious, sexually active outside marriage, etc)

We have one judge in Davis County, Michael Allphin, who does this consistently, and has done so for years.  Wanna fondle little girls and boys and get a slap on the wrist?  Be a good little Mo who is active in the church, and get Judge Allphin to hear your case when you get busted for it.

How is this allowed to happen in the year 2017 in the first world?  I'm not doubting you here, just asking WTF.


Utah.
 
2017-04-14 02:50:47 PM  

whither_apophis: Because they belong to the same tribe


Holy incestuous b.s. Batman!  Every single judge in the same district as Judge "you're an awesomely good man, who just made one little ever-so human mistake by raping and sexually assaulting children" Low went to Brigham Young.  Every.  Single. One.

https://www.utcourts.gov/judgesbios/showGallery.asp?dist=4&ct_type=D
 
2017-04-14 02:51:10 PM  
That's pretty low, Low
 
2017-04-14 02:51:58 PM  
Well Joseph Smith did fark two
14 year old girls, so the Bishop was only following the prophet.  Google Helen Mar Kimball for details, including Mormons claiming it was okay because Jesus told him to.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2017-04-14 02:52:16 PM  

mongbiohazard: Religion tends to program some nasty assumptions and biases into us. One of them, we see on display here. It programs many people with an inherent assumption that being a religious person by definition makes someone not only moral, but a "good" person.


Case in point, giving political power to this weasel:

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2017-04-14 02:54:01 PM  

nekom: docpeteyJ: Sadly, this happens in Utah ALL THE TIME. We have a disproportionately high rate of sexual assault and abuse, especially involving children and teens. In cases where the abuser is not a family member, here it is often a trusted member of the LDS church.

And when they're caught, and hauled before a Mormon judge, I can personally attest to the fact that they will get sympathy and lighter sentences, if they're convicted at all, especially when the victim is "unsympathetic" (queer, not religious, sexually active outside marriage, etc)

We have one judge in Davis County, Michael Allphin, who does this consistently, and has done so for years.  Wanna fondle little girls and boys and get a slap on the wrist?  Be a good little Mo who is active in the church, and get Judge Allphin to hear your case when you get busted for it.

How is this allowed to happen in the year 2017 in the first world?  I'm not doubting you here, just asking WTF.


People in the first world aren't any better than people anywhere else.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2017-04-14 02:54:18 PM  

docpeteyJ: But sometimes, it does work. One of the judges I cited, David Young, was kicked to the curb after people finally had enough of his sh*t. Allphin is still around, but he's in a very conservative Mormon district.


And, again, you see how morally bankrupt severe conservationism actually is.  Not putting people like this away is pretty far from what a principled conservatism is.
 
2017-04-14 02:54:19 PM  
docpeteyJ:

alternatively, this is something you can try bringing up to the BAR.  State or otherwise.  They take ethics pretty seriously.
 
2017-04-14 03:10:22 PM  

docpeteyJ: Sadly, this happens in Utah ALL THE TIME. We have a disproportionately high rate of sexual assault and abuse, especially involving children and teens. In cases where the abuser is not a family member, here it is often a trusted member of the LDS church.


Well, of course, in an area where most or many people are trusted members of the LDS church.
"Hey, in Brooklyn a guy from Brooklyn did N!" Well, of course.
 
2017-04-14 03:13:32 PM  
It's almost like churches exist to cover up child sexual abuse, given how many molesters they shelter.
 
2017-04-14 03:15:31 PM  

docpeteyJ: Plant Rights Activist: docpeteyJ: And when they're caught, and hauled before a Mormon judge, I can personally attest to the fact that they will get sympathy and lighter sentences, if they're convicted at all,

stop electing shiatty judges then

Most of the judges here are Mormon and Mormons vote them in.  Others are appointed by the Mormon-dominated government.

But sometimes, it does work.  One of the judges I cited, David Young, was kicked to the curb after people finally had enough of his sh*t.  Allphin is still around, but he's in a very conservative Mormon district.


Yet doesn't SLC have an openly lesbian mayor now? (could have sworn someone told me that recently)?
That is an odd dichotomy...

But seriously, what great men here (shut up women, menfolk are talking!) hasn't done a little bit of molestation, object rape and forcible sexual abuse of relatives? Aren't we all still great men of god? Bah, I say!

The farking hypocrisy and use of the crutch of religion as excuse and redemption, is it a wonder I hold it in such contempt?
 
2017-04-14 03:15:44 PM  
As one of their founders said: "I don't care how you bring'em, just bring'em young."
 
2017-04-14 03:17:00 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: This is why you don't mix religion in government, folks.

And, of course, this is why Republicans want this to be the legal practice nationwide.


I'm a Christian and a Republican and my only response to your comment is to say GO FARK YOURSELF. Believe it or not, there are some moderate Republicans. I know that's not the cool and hip thing around here, but there are people who have other beliefs than yours.
 
2017-04-14 03:17:07 PM  
Utah Judge praises former Mormon Bishop, as a Great Man while sentencing him for sexually abusing children

The way the headline reads, it sounds like the Judge proclaimed himself a Great Man while sentencing.

/comma problems
//pet peeve
///still an Oxford Comma fan
 
2017-04-14 03:18:13 PM  
Being a religious leader should require a mandatory psyche evaluation to weed out psychopaths, sociopaths, narcissists, nonces, and other assorted maniacs. Assuming anyone emerges from this screening, THEN they can become a religious leader. Even then there should be processes to evaluate what they're up to and take them down.
 
2017-04-14 03:26:48 PM  

Percise1: Yet doesn't SLC have an openly lesbian mayor now? (could have sworn someone told me that recently)?
That is an odd dichotomy...


Salt Lake City/County and Summit County  (along with places like Moab) are little oases of normal. In fact, Salt Lake City is considered one of the most gay-friendly places in the west.

I'm often asked why I stay here, with all the problems with the lack of separation of church and state.  It's easy:  I love it here, and I think it's worth it to work for change.  If all the people who oppose such draconian bullsh*t the Mormons pull just up and leave, this place will turn into a true theocracy.
 
2017-04-14 03:29:25 PM  
 
2017-04-14 03:29:32 PM  
No religion really cherishes or protects children (or women, for that matter). ALL of them allow abuse of both groups and generally don't see a reason to urge any consequences for doing so. The "leadership" of all the world's religions viciously attacks anybody who dares to reveal abuse while protecting abusers.

They are appalling pieces of shiat.

So this story doesn't surprise me at all.
 
2017-04-14 03:33:27 PM  
Utah leads the U.S. in per capita paid porn site usage.  Isn't theocracy wonderful!
 
2017-04-14 03:36:01 PM  
you keep putting this on conservatives, there are plenty of liberals at it as well, just better hidden.
and it isn`t a recent occurance, as it has been going on forever...
bad people are bad people, no matter who or what they portray as `normal`
 
2017-04-14 03:40:26 PM  

Killer Cars: I know Utah is great for outdoorsy stuff, but fark me sideways I cannot see the appeal of living there as a non-Mormon for the life of me.


I'm LDS, and I wouldn't want to live there, either. I have cousins that all grew up there, and there's always been something a little off with them. My uncle is someone I would have to work hard to get along with for an extended period of time. He treats his wife like shiat, his gay son (my favorite of the 6 cousins) is still (at 34 years old) trying to overcome the mountain of shiat he's had to go through, e.g. having his dad hire a female prostitute for him in order to "fix" the gay. He's racist as hell, monumentally stupid, and always broke. 5/6 of his kids have a strong Napoleon Dynamite vibe.  One of them managed to escape to California and seems to be ok.

I don't even know what to say about the judge in TFA. I'm aghast. I know a former Bishop that got sent to prison for embezzlement of corporate funds at his job, but sexual assault? Yikes. Good people can make mistakes and still have strong moral character. But rape/sexual assault is indicative of some monumental moral failings that you don't get to separate from the rest of your character.
 
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