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(CNN)   "It's different on the streets," says Georgia cop explaining how "resisting arrest" listed in his official police report is the same as "unprovoked punching of an unarmed suspect with hands above his head" shown on a witness cellphone video   ( cnn.com) divider line
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2017-04-14 04:26:11 AM  
I can't wai
 
2017-04-14 04:27:52 AM  
I can't wait for the explanation why having your hands up leads to getting punched in the face. I am gonna guess he was coming right for me.
 
2017-04-14 04:30:25 AM  
Different from what? Fight club?
 
2017-04-14 06:01:27 AM  
The only thing different pal, is that on the streets you're the only one in uniform.  Get back to the station and your supervisors all wear that uniform and you just made them look bad.  I'm also happy that all the cops involved are white.  Race deck stays on the shelf for this round.

I would like to know if the motorist has history with this pair.  If so, it comes across as these clowns were just looking for some easy pickings for the arrest column.  My inclination is, however, that they are just making it up as they go along.  Find someone driving while blah in the wrong area, pull em over, and show the all the taxpayers driving along how their money is being spent to keep the right sort of people in their place.  Instead, people are starting to understand that multi-million dollar civil judgments are coming out of tax coffers, not cops' pockets.  See a car with blue lights flashing?  Pull out your phone and film everything.
 
2017-04-14 07:26:03 AM  
and they didnt green the article from yesterday showing another GA cop stomping the face of a cuffed man laying prone on the street splitting him wide open.

but just a few bad apples ruining morale right Jeffy ?
 
2017-04-14 07:26:09 AM  
Fired immediately and criminal charges being investigated.   Good.

Was this guy's prior criminal situation where he "reached for a loaded firearm" also made up?  What about every arrest made by these two cops?  Reasonable doubt.  PCR everyone they ever arrested.
 
2017-04-14 07:26:29 AM  
Is it sad I feel relief they got fired so quickly? That's how it should always be handled but it's strange seeing the right thing happen.
 
2017-04-14 07:28:36 AM  

cherryl taggart: The only thing different pal, is that on the streets you're the only one in uniform.  Get back to the station and your supervisors all wear that uniform and you just made them look bad.  I'm also happy that all the cops involved are white.  Race deck stays on the shelf for this round.

I would like to know if the motorist has history with this pair.  If so, it comes across as these clowns were just looking for some easy pickings for the arrest column.  My inclination is, however, that they are just making it up as they go along.  Find someone driving while blah in the wrong area, pull em over, and show the all the taxpayers driving along how their money is being spent to keep the right sort of people in their place.  Instead, people are starting to understand that multi-million dollar civil judgments are coming out of tax coffers, not cops' pockets.  See a car with blue lights flashing?  Pull out your phone and film everything.


I just watched these videos and a short interview with the young man who was arrested on tv. It's pretty brutal, his face was more stomped than kicked.
And yep, he did have a previous encounter with one of the officers last year. Him trying to get his phone to record this encounter is what made the first cop make him put his hands in the air - the punch was thrown immediately after.

Good on their chief for firing them right away.
 
2017-04-14 07:29:38 AM  
and the cops were not arrested, how odd and unheard of
 
2017-04-14 07:33:06 AM  

lindalouwho: Good on their chief for firing them right away.


Yes, although the chief loses a couple points for phrasing: "It's hard what WE had to go through..."

Yeah, chief, but not as hard as getting curb-stomped, really...
 
2017-04-14 07:33:23 AM  
Not to draw focus from the incident itself...  but am I the only one impressed by the video (autoplay, not withstanding)?

It's just so refreshing to see a video report from CNN that has no anchor-driven commentary, just the relevant video, the apparent facts, and a statement from the chief.

OK, we can now go back to talking about how cops like these erode the trust between law enforcement and their communities.
 
2017-04-14 07:34:17 AM  

cherryl taggart: The only thing different pal, is that on the streets you're the only one in uniform.  Get back to the station and your supervisors all wear that uniform and you just made them look bad.  I'm also happy that all the cops involved are white.  Race deck stays on the shelf for this round.


I read it the same way. "We normally get away with this shiat all the time."

The victim was black, so race is gonna be an element.
 
2017-04-14 07:35:04 AM  
The purpose of the Second Amendment is to defend yourself from the government.  I would love to see one judge rule in favor of a person exercising their constitutional right on a police officer.
 
2017-04-14 07:36:30 AM  

Sean VasDeferens: The purpose of the Second Amendment is to defend yourself from the government.  I would love to see one judge rule in favor of a person exercising their constitutional right on a police officer.


The purpose of the Second Amendment was to allow America to defend itself in a time when we didn't have a standing army.
 
2017-04-14 07:44:43 AM  

not enough beer: I can't wai


What happened? Get punched in the face?
 
2017-04-14 07:50:56 AM  
McDonald joined the force in 2013, and received all high marks from Bongiovanni, his supervisor, during his last performance evaluation.The evaluation said McDonald "always deals with members of the community in a courteous, professional, calm and controlled manner."

Of course that was his evaluation. Of course he got all high marks. How else could some people convince themselves that most police are good apples with only a few bad apples?

Unless you have personally met all the police, and experienced one of their traffic stops without alerting them that you also are police you have no idea how they treat the average member of the community.

This sort of shiat happens all the time, it would not be so normal to the officers for them to act that way otherwise.

Video is the best thing for both parties. Then the police can rely on it if the citizen is in the wrong and the citizen can rely on it if the police are in the wrong. The more dashcams taking video of a traffic stop in front of them the more that police like this get caught.

Bodycams should be mandatory for all emergency services, not have an off switch, have redundancy in case of `failure`, record ALL of their shift from uniform on to uniform off, footage stored for a year, only to be used in court - not handed to the media. Then no privacy issues, no `oops it was turned off`.

When the evidence of what actually happened is right there on a screen in court, all of a sudden you may find a lot less `resisting arrest` which resulted in violence...
 
2017-04-14 07:51:34 AM  

HydroMonkey: not enough beer: I can't wai

What happened? Get punched in the face?


Anticip...
 
2017-04-14 07:57:03 AM  

LordJiro: Sean VasDeferens: The purpose of the Second Amendment is to defend yourself from the government.  I would love to see one judge rule in favor of a person exercising their constitutional right on a police officer.

The purpose of the Second Amendment was to allow America to defend itself in a time when we didn't have a standing army.


Sure it was. And the Civil War was fought over Georgia's right to set its own speed limits.
 
2017-04-14 07:57:21 AM  
if they hadn't done something to get pulled over then that wouldn't have happened.

#bluelivesbatter
 
2017-04-14 07:58:09 AM  

HydroMonkey: not enough beer: I can't wai

What happened? Get punched in the face?


Getting punched in the face would be a better story then fat fingering my phone.
 
2017-04-14 07:58:52 AM  

kindms: and they didnt green the article from yesterday showing another GA cop stomping the face of a cuffed man laying prone on the street splitting him wide open.

but just a few bad apples ruining morale right Jeffy ?


I believe it's the same incident.  First cop punched him as he was standing with his hands up and second cop (the one who stomped him while he was handcuffed laying down) came to "help" after he was already subdued.
 
2017-04-14 07:58:54 AM  
...ation
 
2017-04-14 08:03:35 AM  
When I went to California upstairs barber college - law school, one of our fellow students who was an ex-cop gave a presentation in my crim law class.  It boiled down to and I kid you not... "we own the streets".  You may win in court later, but don't disobey and don't fight back because atleast as far as the initial arrest, we win.  Never saw so many looks of disgust by other students

... well I think the attorney whose sole practice was defending persons accused of sex crimes who came in to speak to the class probably got more death stares.
 
2017-04-14 08:04:13 AM  

LordJiro: Sean VasDeferens: The purpose of the Second Amendment is to defend yourself from the government.  I would love to see one judge rule in favor of a person exercising their constitutional right on a police officer.

The purpose of the Second Amendment was to allow America to defend itself in a time when we didn't have a standing army.


Do you realize that when it was written we had just finished defending ourselves from our own government?
 
2017-04-14 08:05:32 AM  

macadamnut: LordJiro: Sean VasDeferens: The purpose of the Second Amendment is to defend yourself from the government.  I would love to see one judge rule in favor of a person exercising their constitutional right on a police officer.

The purpose of the Second Amendment was to allow America to defend itself in a time when we didn't have a standing army.

Sure it was. And the Civil War was fought over Georgia's right to set its own speed limits.


Actually, we didn't have a standing army in 1791. It's about allowing people to keep their own arms for militia service.  The Founders didn't WANT a standing army, they saw it as a threat to the Republic.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2017-04-14 08:08:26 AM  
Wait.. a cop got fired for unneeded brutality?  You buried the lead.
 
2017-04-14 08:08:30 AM  

GanjSmokr: kindms: and they didnt green the article from yesterday showing another GA cop stomping the face of a cuffed man laying prone on the street splitting him wide open.

but just a few bad apples ruining morale right Jeffy ?

I believe it's the same incident.  First cop punched him as he was standing with his hands up and second cop (the one who stomped him while he was handcuffed laying down) came to "help" after he was already subdued.


Yep, same incident.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2017-04-14 08:11:04 AM  

TheraTx: if they hadn't done something to get pulled over then that wouldn't have happened.

#bluelivesbatter


More importantly, he shouldn't have been born black.
 
2017-04-14 08:14:06 AM  

cherryl taggart: I'm also happy that all the cops involved are white.  Race deck stays on the shelf for this round.


I'm not sure how the former helps anything.  Would it be much different if the cops were black?  And no, you pulled the deck out for some reason.  You may not have shuffled, or dealt, but you pulled it off the shelf and mentioned it.

Good on those who pulled their phones out.
 
2017-04-14 08:14:48 AM  

Sean VasDeferens: The purpose of the Second Amendment is to defend yourself from the government.  I would love to see one judge rule in favor of a person exercising their constitutional right on a police officer.


I haven't had coffee yet, but I am pretty sure that using force to resist an unlawful order is illegal.  The second amendment doesn't change that. Basically it is illegal to use force to defend yourself against the police no matter what.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2017-04-14 08:16:03 AM  
Looking at the video, the justification was that he reached for a gun LAST YEAR?

Wow... it's hard to know what to say to that.  It's QUITE a long time to feel threatened, isn't it officer?
 
2017-04-14 08:16:38 AM  
The thing is that it's Gwinnett County.  It isn't South Fulton or DeKalb.  Yes, there are a few 'rough' areas, but it isn't East St. Louis or Detroit.
 
2017-04-14 08:17:56 AM  

cherryl taggart: The only thing different pal, is that on the streets you're the only one in uniform.  Get back to the station and your supervisors all wear that uniform and you just made them look bad.  I'm also happy that all the cops involved are white.  Race deck stays on the shelf for this round.

I would like to know if the motorist has history with this pair.  If so, it comes across as these clowns were just looking for some easy pickings for the arrest column.  My inclination is, however, that they are just making it up as they go along.  Find someone driving while blah in the wrong area, pull em over, and show the all the taxpayers driving along how their money is being spent to keep the right sort of people in their place.  Instead, people are starting to understand that multi-million dollar civil judgments are coming out of tax coffers, not cops' pockets.  See a car with blue lights flashing?  Pull out your phone and film everything.


I live in a county that used to be the seat of the Aryan Nation.  Last night as I was coming home from a burrito run I noticed some police in my neighborhood giving a young black man with a white date a hard time.  They had both of them out of the vehicle and were making them sit on the hood of the car.  I take a bit of solace in noting that the man had the presence of mind to pull into the UPS distribution center parking lot.  Plenty of cameras.  I hope it saved his ass.
 
2017-04-14 08:19:01 AM  

LordJiro: Sean VasDeferens: The purpose of the Second Amendment is to defend yourself from the government.  I would love to see one judge rule in favor of a person exercising their constitutional right on a police officer.

The purpose of the Second Amendment was to allow America to defend itself in a time when we didn't have a standing army.


It was also to defend ourselves from an unaccountable executive who exercised unrestrained police powers using a military force.
 
2017-04-14 08:20:06 AM  

not enough beer: I can't wait for the explanation why having your hands up leads to getting punched in the face. I am gonna guess he was coming right for me.


vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net

Wraaaaaaahhhh!
 
2017-04-14 08:20:34 AM  

webron: I haven't had coffee yet, but I am pretty sure that using force to resist an unlawful order is illegal.


All revolutions are treasonous unless they win.
 
2017-04-14 08:20:38 AM  

webron: Basically it is illegal to use force to defend yourself against the police no matter what.


Really? Want to ask Abner Louima about that one?

fark the police.
 
2017-04-14 08:22:22 AM  

Sean VasDeferens: The purpose of the Second Amendment is to defend yourself from the government.  I would love to see one judge rule in favor of a person exercising their constitutional right on a police officer.


See the  Sagon Penn case in San Diego. Assaulted by police, killed one cop, wounded another, acquitted.
 
2017-04-14 08:22:25 AM  
The department says an investigation into McDonald's actions was launched immediately, and he was fired by mid-afternoon Thursday.

If I was this guy, I'd be throwing out all kinds of one-liners while abusing the public:
-Would you like fries with *punch* THAT?!
-You look like you're still hungry.  Here's a free McFlurry.  OF BATONS AND BOOTS!
etc.
 
2017-04-14 08:25:11 AM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: cherryl taggart: The only thing different pal, is that on the streets you're the only one in uniform.  Get back to the station and your supervisors all wear that uniform and you just made them look bad.  I'm also happy that all the cops involved are white.  Race deck stays on the shelf for this round.

I would like to know if the motorist has history with this pair.  If so, it comes across as these clowns were just looking for some easy pickings for the arrest column.  My inclination is, however, that they are just making it up as they go along.  Find someone driving while blah in the wrong area, pull em over, and show the all the taxpayers driving along how their money is being spent to keep the right sort of people in their place.  Instead, people are starting to understand that multi-million dollar civil judgments are coming out of tax coffers, not cops' pockets.  See a car with blue lights flashing?  Pull out your phone and film everything.

I live in a county that used to be the seat of the Aryan Nation.  Last night as I was coming home from a burrito run I noticed some police in my neighborhood giving a young black man with a white date a hard time.  They had both of them out of the vehicle and were making them sit on the hood of the car.  I take a bit of solace in noting that the man had the presence of mind to pull into the UPS distribution center parking lot.  Plenty of cameras.  I hope it saved his ass.


Oh, that's too bad. I once saw some cops give a mixed race couple an escort to the hospital b/c the wife was giving birth. And what's special about that story is that I'm not farking making it up.
 
2017-04-14 08:27:03 AM  

LordJiro: Sean VasDeferens: The purpose of the Second Amendment is to defend yourself from the government.  I would love to see one judge rule in favor of a person exercising their constitutional right on a police officer.

The purpose of the Second Amendment was to allow America to defend itself in a time when we didn't have a standing army.


You know, you're just a google search away from finding out what the people intended who wrote the second amendment, and it doesn't fit into your pet political view.

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/gun01.htm
https://macaulay.cuny.edu/eportfolios/libertylinks/2013/03/25/what-th​e​-founding-fathers-said-about-the-second-amendment/
 
2017-04-14 08:29:37 AM  

Chris Ween: Was this guy's prior criminal situation where he "reached for a loaded firearm" also made up?


Was he shot? No?
Then of course it was made up.
 
2017-04-14 08:36:55 AM  

ScarabDrac: Not to draw focus from the incident itself...  but am I the only one impressed by the video (autoplay, not withstanding)?

It's just so refreshing to see a video report from CNN that has no anchor-driven commentary, just the relevant video, the apparent facts, and a statement from the chief.


OK, we can now go back to talking about how cops like these erode the trust between law enforcement and their communities.


Not just you, I noticed too. That's how video should be done on news sites, in my opinion. It was quick and to the point, jumping right into the witness video while using text to give a quick summary.
 
2017-04-14 08:37:11 AM  

not enough beer: I can't wait for the explanation why having your hands up leads to getting punched in the face. I am gonna guess he was coming right for me.


It's obvious that the suspect was trying to ready the crane kick, which when done right no can defend, but the officer stopped the suspect before he could fully establish the stance.
 
2017-04-14 08:40:02 AM  
"It's different on the streets."

I'll take that as a tacit admission that you're organization has become little better than a street gang.
 
2017-04-14 08:40:44 AM  

The Lurker at Your Threshold: "It's different on the streets."

I'll take that as a tacit admission that you're your organization has become little better than a street gang.

 
2017-04-14 08:43:06 AM  

jjorsett: Sean VasDeferens: The purpose of the Second Amendment is to defend yourself from the government.  I would love to see one judge rule in favor of a person exercising their constitutional right on a police officer.

See the  Sagon Penn case in San Diego. Assaulted by police, killed one cop, wounded another, acquitted.


Holy cow!  And he was black.
 
2017-04-14 08:45:19 AM  

Chris Ween: Fired immediately and criminal charges being investigated.   Good.

Was this guy's prior criminal situation where he "reached for a loaded firearm" also made up?  What about every arrest made by these two cops?  Reasonable doubt.  PCR everyone they ever arrested.


Polymerase Chain Reaction?
 
2017-04-14 08:48:02 AM  

lucksi: and the cops were not arrested, how odd and unheard of


TFA says charges are still pending.

The fact that they were both fired on the spot, instead of a paid vacation, is a good sign, though.

It also means that they already had a HR file this high, or else the union would be all over this.
 
2017-04-14 08:49:43 AM  
I know this HAS to been hashed out over the hundreds of cop threads, but the thing that always freaks me out in these things is that they completely made up the report.  Is there no kind of "falsifying documents" kind of charge that applies here?  It;s brass on the Titanic I know, but it keeps sticking in my head.
 
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