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(Ars Technica)   Microsoft's latest scheme to force people into Windows 10 ... Disabling Windows 7 updates if your processor is too new   ( arstechnica.com) divider line
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2017-04-14 04:05:59 AM  
already hit me, got a device notice about my amd processor after the last download of updates. My days of having a computer are almost numbered, hate 10.
 
2017-04-14 04:23:19 AM  
No more windows updates? Gasp. Whatever shall a body do?
 
2017-04-14 04:24:49 AM  
I'm safe

/and still running 7
 
2017-04-14 04:33:09 AM  
On a lighter note, the only computer in the house that I installed Windows 10 on has killed itself.
 
2017-04-14 04:58:08 AM  

bloobeary: On a lighter note, the only computer in the house that I installed Windows 10 on has killed itself.


Microsoft math: X = ME
 
2017-04-14 05:24:47 AM  

doglover: No more windows updates? Gasp. Whatever shall a body do?


Are you one of those Linux nerds?
 
2017-04-14 05:48:00 AM  
They will be taking W7 from my cold dead hands.....
 
2017-04-14 05:48:56 AM  

bloobeary: On a lighter note, the only computer in the house that I installed Windows 10 on has killed itself.


MaudlinMutantMollusk: Microsoft math: X = ME


tuskahoma man: My days of having a computer are almost numbered, hate 10.


Man, I don't get all this hate. It's not a bad OS by any stretch. It doesn't have massive amounts of driver problems like 8 nor does it simply crash due to existing like ME. it's 90% Windows 7 with a massive amount of under-the-hood updates that 7 will never have

it's a good OS
 
2017-04-14 06:14:41 AM  

somedude210: bloobeary: On a lighter note, the only computer in the house that I installed Windows 10 on has killed itself.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Microsoft math: X = ME

tuskahoma man: My days of having a computer are almost numbered, hate 10.

Man, I don't get all this hate. It's not a bad OS by any stretch. It doesn't have massive amounts of driver problems like 8 nor does it simply crash due to existing like ME. it's 90% Windows 7 with a massive amount of under-the-hood updates that 7 will never have

it's a good OS


It's new. People hate change.
 
2017-04-14 06:26:13 AM  
Windows 10 is still a free update btw.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how-you-can-still-get-a-free-windo​w​s-10-upgrade/

But yeah, some people will want to stay on an inferiour OS, and 1% of them has a valid reason for it.
 
2017-04-14 06:28:22 AM  

somedude210: bloobeary: On a lighter note, the only computer in the house that I installed Windows 10 on has killed itself.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Microsoft math: X = ME

tuskahoma man: My days of having a computer are almost numbered, hate 10.

Man, I don't get all this hate. It's not a bad OS by any stretch. It doesn't have massive amounts of driver problems like 8 nor does it simply crash due to existing like ME. it's 90% Windows 7 with a massive amount of under-the-hood updates that 7 will never have

it's a good OS


Ditto - but it's popular to hate it and people hate change, especially the older people.

I personally think it's a dumb move on MS's part though.
 
2017-04-14 06:43:57 AM  
When I bought windows 7 I did so with the understanding I would receive the stated time line of updates as part of that.  There was never any "but only on processors made in that time line and we're going to block you from trying to run updates on Windows 7 installs on new systems after that time line expires, because we're desperate dicks and our boss needs his win10 install count bonus so badly he's going to fark you over arbitrarily to get it."

I also hope for their sake that this is just when trying to acquire updates directly from Microsoft and the WSUS servers won't try and block things otherwise they're going to have a mighty big mob of corporate CIOs backed by corporate lawyers that'll sue them into oblivion.

Oh and that they're doing this for win8.1 too?  The one that's still in its support scope?  Well I'm sure the tens of people using it will sue Microsoft as well.  All tens of them.
 
2017-04-14 06:48:07 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: Windows 10 is still a free update btw.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how-you-can-still-get-a-free-window​s-10-upgrade/

But yeah, some people will want to stay on an inferiour OS, and 1% of them has a valid reason for it.


Gr8 b8 m8.
 
2017-04-14 07:09:47 AM  
Microsoft: Still trying to usher in the age of Linux on the Desktop.
 
2017-04-14 07:19:14 AM  

BumpInTheNight: When I bought windows 7 I did so with the understanding I would receive the stated time line of updates as part of that.  There was never any "but only on processors made in that time line and we're going to block you from trying to run updates on Windows 7 installs on new systems after that time line expires, because we're desperate dicks and our boss needs his win10 install count bonus so badly he's going to fark you over arbitrarily to get it."

I also hope for their sake that this is just when trying to acquire updates directly from Microsoft and the WSUS servers won't try and block things otherwise they're going to have a mighty big mob of corporate CIOs backed by corporate lawyers that'll sue them into oblivion.

Oh and that they're doing this for win8.1 too?  The one that's still in its support scope?  Well I'm sure the tens of people using it will sue Microsoft as well.  All tens of them.


You will still get the updates you were promised. Unless you upgrade your existing PC to a few very specific brand new processors, that weren't around when MS made that promise and that MS very publicly announced would not be supported well before those processors became publicly available.

So the only way you will lose any support is if you have an older machine, with an old OS, but chose to upgrade to a brand new top of the range CPU after ignoring the warning MS gave you telling you it would not be supported. If you ignored that warning and went ahead then you can't really blame MS when that support ends. You ignored their warning. You bought something you knew would not be supported.
You're expecting MS to honor a guarantee made on a chip that didn't exist when they made their support guarantee.
One that has new features, as TFA explained, that would require a whole bunch of testing. All for a tiny handful of people who simultaneously want the very latest CPU but the oldest OS.
 
2017-04-14 07:26:07 AM  

tuskahoma man: already hit me, got a device notice about my amd processor after the last download of updates. My days of having a computer are almost numbered, hate 10.


I love it. It's fast, stable, runs on my Frankensteinmachine (Old Core2Duo HP, old three monitor graphics card, new SSD system drive) great. Integrates perfectly with my W10 tablet and phone.

It's not perfect, MS like changing ("updating") features without warning, which is usually nice but the latest one that annoys me is the crop tool in Photos now defaults to Keep Aspect Ratio every time. Very annoying, but a tiny thing in the scheme of things.
 
2017-04-14 07:28:25 AM  

somedude210: Man, I don't get all this hate. It's not a bad OS by any stretch. It doesn't have massive amounts of driver problems like 8 nor does it simply crash due to existing like ME. it's 90% Windows 7 with a massive amount of under-the-hood updates that 7 will never haveit's a good OS


And you will take it whether you want it or not!  I can remember raging against Windows 2000 because I thought it looked like a bubble gum operating system, but eventually (once I figured out how to set the classic windows view) I came to love it.

The more I use Windows 10, the less I dislike it and I do appreciate some of its features, but I resent the fark out of the fact that Microsoft installed it on my computer without my permission.  I had been declining upgrades for months and then suddenly BOOM: windows is updating to 10 with no ability to cancel.

Microsoft has always had a problem with pushing on its customers what it wants instead of what the customer wants.  That's why you have so many lemon O/Ses like ME, Vista and 8.  And there's no sign they're going to change that mentality.  Quite the contrary, those qualities are being magnified.

It's not Windows 10 people hate, it's Microsoft.
 
2017-04-14 07:39:38 AM  

Ambivalence: somedude210: Man, I don't get all this hate. It's not a bad OS by any stretch. It doesn't have massive amounts of driver problems like 8 nor does it simply crash due to existing like ME. it's 90% Windows 7 with a massive amount of under-the-hood updates that 7 will never haveit's a good OS

And you will take it whether you want it or not!  I can remember raging against Windows 2000 because I thought it looked like a bubble gum operating system, but eventually (once I figured out how to set the classic windows view) I came to love it.

The more I use Windows 10, the less I dislike it and I do appreciate some of its features, but I resent the fark out of the fact that Microsoft installed it on my computer without my permission.  I had been declining upgrades for months and then suddenly BOOM: windows is updating to 10 with no ability to cancel.

Microsoft has always had a problem with pushing on its customers what it wants instead of what the customer wants.  That's why you have so many lemon O/Ses like ME, Vista and 8.  And there's no sign they're going to change that mentality.  Quite the contrary, those qualities are being magnified.

It's not Windows 10 people hate, it's Microsoft.


I'll agree with this
 
2017-04-14 07:42:02 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: Windows 10 is still a free update btw.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how-you-can-still-get-a-free-window​s-10-upgrade/

But yeah, some people will want to stay on an inferiour OS, and 1% of them has a valid reason for it.


Maybe I want my OS to be more of a resource hog and not be supported soon. Did you ever think of that?
 
2017-04-14 07:43:03 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: Microsoft: Still trying to usher in the age of Linux on the Desktop.


That really says a lot about Linux, doesn't it?
 
2017-04-14 07:45:53 AM  

Ron Vibbentrop: You will still get the updates you were promised. Unless you upgrade your existing PC to a few very specific brand new processors, that weren't around when MS made that promise and that MS very publicly announced would not be supported well before those processors became publicly available.

So the only way you will lose any support is if you have an older machine, with an old OS, but chose to upgrade to a brand new top of the range CPU after ignoring the warning MS gave you telling you it would not be supported. If you ignored that warning and went ahead then you can't really blame MS when that support ends. You ignored their warning. You bought something you knew would not be supported.
You're expecting MS to honor a guarantee made on a chip that didn't exist when they made their support guarantee.
One that has new features, as TFA explained, that would require a whole bunch of testing. All for a tiny handful of people who simultaneously want the very latest CPU but the oldest OS.


and what do you say to the windows 8.1 owners, you know the OS that is still within its support scope as advertised when microsoft sold it to people?
 
2017-04-14 07:47:26 AM  
There's always Apple
 
2017-04-14 07:48:59 AM  

BumpInTheNight: When I bought windows 7 I did so with the understanding I would receive the stated time line of updates as part of that.  There was never any "but only on processors made in that time line and we're going to block you from trying to run updates on Windows 7 installs on new systems after that time line expires, because we're desperate dicks and our boss needs his win10 install count bonus so badly he's going to fark you over arbitrarily to get it."

I also hope for their sake that this is just when trying to acquire updates directly from Microsoft and the WSUS servers won't try and block things otherwise they're going to have a mighty big mob of corporate CIOs backed by corporate lawyers that'll sue them into oblivion.

Oh and that they're doing this for win8.1 too?  The one that's still in its support scope?  Well I'm sure the tens of people using it will sue Microsoft as well.  All tens of them.


1. they not going mess with the business version of windows.  Just for the reason you stated.
2. they said they where doing security updates for 7 for a few  more years(older story) but that not for newer systems.  Most likely cause for newer systems you need more then security updates to make 7 run right(not that it won't run but just not right) and they not making anymore updates like that.  SO might as well just disable all updates as they might not work well with never systems.
 
2017-04-14 08:21:32 AM  

Ambivalence: It's not Windows 10 people hate, it's Microsoft.


On the contrary, I hate W10 with the fire of a thousand suns.  Microsoft, otoh,helps me pay the bills with buggy apps that my customers use. It's a Hate/Love relationship.
 
2017-04-14 08:24:51 AM  
I think sometimes that Microsoft must wonder why they have problems with people actively resisting updates while Apple and Google don't have this issue with iOS and Android updates.
 
2017-04-14 08:29:56 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: Ketchuponsteak: Windows 10 is still a free update btw.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how-you-can-still-get-a-free-window​s-10-upgrade/

But yeah, some people will want to stay on an inferiour OS, and 1% of them has a valid reason for it.

Maybe I want my OS to be more of a resource hog and not be supported soon. Did you ever think of that?


I hear good things about the original version of Vista for those requirements. Windows 7 has nothing on it.
 
2017-04-14 08:32:29 AM  
I'm a total curmudgeon, but I have embraced Windows 10. It's weird for me to be so accepting, but Windows 10 is actually pretty damned good. better than Windows 8, and even better then Windows 7.
 
2017-04-14 08:34:46 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Ambivalence: It's not Windows 10 people hate, it's Microsoft.

On the contrary, I hate W10 with the fire of a thousand suns.  Microsoft, otoh,helps me pay the bills with buggy apps that my customers use. It's a Hate/Love relationship.


I did hate 10 initially, but I'm in tech support and had to take a class on it because we're going to start supporting it...someday.  And I see the benefit of how it's arranged now that I understand it better.  At first I was raging because I couldn't find all the stuff I knew because it had moved or you accessed it in a different way, but once I figured out how to find all that stuff I started liking it more.

I still kind of hate how everything is pictographic.  I'm not illiterate, I can read, just call it what it is.  I don't want to have to remember what picture it goes with like some kind of deranged memory puzzle.
 
2017-04-14 08:55:17 AM  

doglover: No more windows updates? Gasp. Whatever shall a body do


it isn't a bug, it's a feature.
 
2017-04-14 09:01:58 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: But yeah, some people will want to stay on an inferiour OS, and 1% of them has a valid reason for it.


Such as us, though "valid reason" is debatable.  Some of our electronic medical records software was written and owned by the VA.  They have not yet vetted Windows 10 to ensure all privacy measures are met.  Therefore, if anyone in IHS is "caught" using Windows 10, they can pull the license and forbid us to use it (somehow).

Like I said..."valid reason" is debatable.  F*cking VA...
 
2017-04-14 09:08:31 AM  

tuskahoma man: already hit me, got a device notice about my amd processor after the last download of updates. My days of having a computer are almost numbered, hate 10.


Quick question, did you have to do something special in order to install Windows 7 on your i7 processor in the first place? Its not officially supported and is supposed to not want to install?
 
2017-04-14 09:22:13 AM  

MindStalker: tuskahoma man: already hit me, got a device notice about my amd processor after the last download of updates. My days of having a computer are almost numbered, hate 10.

Quick question, did you have to do something special in order to install Windows 7 on your i7 processor in the first place? Its not officially supported and is supposed to not want to install?


I had no problem installing Win7 on an i7 processor on my new build from January. Wasnt even aware there was supposed to be one.

/end of anecdote
 
2017-04-14 09:25:44 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Ron Vibbentrop: You will still get the updates you were promised. Unless you upgrade your existing PC to a few very specific brand new processors, that weren't around when MS made that promise and that MS very publicly announced would not be supported well before those processors became publicly available.

So the only way you will lose any support is if you have an older machine, with an old OS, but chose to upgrade to a brand new top of the range CPU after ignoring the warning MS gave you telling you it would not be supported. If you ignored that warning and went ahead then you can't really blame MS when that support ends. You ignored their warning. You bought something you knew would not be supported.
You're expecting MS to honor a guarantee made on a chip that didn't exist when they made their support guarantee.
One that has new features, as TFA explained, that would require a whole bunch of testing. All for a tiny handful of people who simultaneously want the very latest CPU but the oldest OS.

and what do you say to the windows 8.1 owners, you know the OS that is still within its support scope as advertised when microsoft sold it to people?


Why are you still using that horrible piece of shiat OS? 8.1 is an abomination with no redeeming value. Upgrade to 10 already.
 
2017-04-14 09:28:59 AM  

Ambivalence: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Ambivalence: It's not Windows 10 people hate, it's Microsoft.

On the contrary, I hate W10 with the fire of a thousand suns.  Microsoft, otoh,helps me pay the bills with buggy apps that my customers use. It's a Hate/Love relationship.

I did hate 10 initially, but I'm in tech support and had to take a class on it because we're going to start supporting it...someday.  And I see the benefit of how it's arranged now that I understand it better.  At first I was raging because I couldn't find all the stuff I knew because it had moved or you accessed it in a different way, but once I figured out how to find all that stuff I started liking it more.

I still kind of hate how everything is pictographic.  I'm not illiterate, I can read, just call it what it is.  I don't want to have to remember what picture it goes with like some kind of deranged memory puzzle.


I got tired of finding everything, so I just use the search feature now when I can't find something. For us old school users, Start + typing gets the job done so much faster.
 
2017-04-14 09:29:32 AM  

MindStalker: Quick question, did you have to do something special in order to install Windows 7 on your i7 processor in the first place? Its not officially supported and is supposed to not want to install?


The whole point of disabling updates is that it currently does work, but future update packages for 7 won't be tested for compatibility with the new hardware and could fark up your system.

Not sure why people are getting offended by this or thinking it's some kind of dick move, this is pretty much entirely for the protection of the consumer.  Yes, it'll leave security holes open and such, but security holes are something you consciously made a decision to live with by using obsolete unsupported hardware, so that part isn't really MS's fault.  "We're removing the potential for a future update to turn your legacy system into a farking paperweight" is kind of a common-sense change.
 
2017-04-14 09:33:41 AM  

xanadian: Ketchuponsteak: But yeah, some people will want to stay on an inferiour OS, and 1% of them has a valid reason for it.

Such as us, though "valid reason" is debatable.  Some of our electronic medical records software was written and owned by the VA.  They have not yet vetted Windows 10 to ensure all privacy measures are met.  Therefore, if anyone in IHS is "caught" using Windows 10, they can pull the license and forbid us to use it (somehow).

Like I said..."valid reason" is debatable.  F*cking VA...


When I started at the hospital I currently work at (in 2012 ) they were still using XP for the intranet/Epic PCs. A few years back they did a mass upgrade to all-in-one i5 Lenovos running...Windows 7. And this place is one of the 'Top 10' hospitals in the country. So it's not just the VA...
 
2017-04-14 09:45:39 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Ron Vibbentrop: You will still get the updates you were promised. Unless you upgrade your existing PC to a few very specific brand new processors, that weren't around when MS made that promise and that MS very publicly announced would not be supported well before those processors became publicly available.

So the only way you will lose any support is if you have an older machine, with an old OS, but chose to upgrade to a brand new top of the range CPU after ignoring the warning MS gave you telling you it would not be supported. If you ignored that warning and went ahead then you can't really blame MS when that support ends. You ignored their warning. You bought something you knew would not be supported.
You're expecting MS to honor a guarantee made on a chip that didn't exist when they made their support guarantee.
One that has new features, as TFA explained, that would require a whole bunch of testing. All for a tiny handful of people who simultaneously want the very latest CPU but the oldest OS.

and what do you say to the windows 8.1 owners, you know the OS that is still within its support scope as advertised when microsoft sold it to people?


Exactly the same. It is still supported. Unless you install a brand new CPU that you were already told would not be supported. MS told people these chips would lose support on these OSs well before these chips became available. I'd assume anyone rushing out to buy the very latest, top spec, most expensive CPUs would have done their homework, and not just wandered into Best Buy and said "Gimme the most expensive CPU ya got" so they would have known they would not be supported.

Had MS let these chips hit the market, waited until lots of people bought them and then said they would not support them then I'd be pissed at MS.

But they didn't. Every person who bought these chips knew they would lose support if they did so.
 
2017-04-14 09:58:25 AM  
Skip the hassles, buy a MAC.
 
2017-04-14 09:59:35 AM  

RolfBlitzer: There's always Apple


Who doesn't sell a laptop that can be configured with more than 16GB of memory, for fear of carving into sales of the trashcan ... I much prefer teaching on a Macbook because the trackpad swipes between virtual desktops are so easy when demoing tools, but I need to run several virtual machines at once and 16GB isn't enough.  I bought a Linunx gaming laptop for teaching, and I hate - hate - hate the trackpad, and multitouch for Linux is some ridiculous Github project that will break if my machine accidentally updates the morning before I start class.

threadjack - is there a good virtual desktop solution for Windows 10, so I can easily switch between a full screen VM and Powerpoint?
 
2017-04-14 10:01:56 AM  
Sod off ya wankers!

img.fark.net
 
2017-04-14 10:06:12 AM  

RolfBlitzer: There's always Apple

The same Apple that tries to cram iOS updates down my throat ever few weeks, by notifying me that I should keep my iPad plugged in tonight to complete an update I never asked for? And then the next morning, when the update fails and I try to cancel out of the update, it makes me agree to the latest Terms of Service, then re-notifies me to plug in my iPad tonight so it can tonight? That Apple?
 
2017-04-14 10:06:17 AM  
Kaby Lake was released on January 3, 2017 and Ryzen was released in October of 2016.  I imagine the number of users this will actually impact is extremely small.  I think it's silly to buy a new computer/laptop and then run an OS that was released in 2009.  If you hate Windows 10 that much look into Linux.  I personally have zero issues with Windows 10 but understand some people hate change.  Although, if you hate change have fun switching to Linux.  Yes, I know there are very user friendly distros out there now but if you have any driver issues it can be a real headache.
 
2017-04-14 10:10:21 AM  

rwhamann: RolfBlitzer: There's always Apple

Who doesn't sell a laptop that can be configured with more than 16GB of memory, for fear of carving into sales of the trashcan ... I much prefer teaching on a Macbook because the trackpad swipes between virtual desktops are so easy when demoing tools, but I need to run several virtual machines at once and 16GB isn't enough.  I bought a Linunx gaming laptop for teaching, and I hate - hate - hate the trackpad, and multitouch for Linux is some ridiculous Github project that will break if my machine accidentally updates the morning before I start class.

threadjack - is there a good virtual desktop solution for Windows 10, so I can easily switch between a full screen VM and Powerpoint?


Not sure exactly what you need to do but Windows 10 has virtual desktops. I run three monitors and it happily runs virtual displays for all monitors.

If you buy a Surface or Surface Book you can of course run two or three external displays separate to the display on the Surface. You could easily swap between two virtual desktops for both displays.
 
2017-04-14 10:12:23 AM  

diggumsmax: Kaby Lake was released on January 3, 2017 and Ryzen was released in October of 2016.  I imagine the number of users this will actually impact is extremely small.  I think it's silly to buy a new computer/laptop and then run an OS that was released in 2009.  If you hate Windows 10 that much look into Linux.  I personally have zero issues with Windows 10 but understand some people hate change.  Although, if you hate change have fun switching to Linux.  Yes, I know there are very user friendly distros out there now but if you have any driver issues it can be a real headache.


It's like comments I've read from people saying "I hate M$ spying on me and forcing upgrades! I'm going to buy a Chromebook!"

/Which gives Google everything you do and you can't turn off updates.
 
2017-04-14 10:15:47 AM  

Ron Vibbentrop: Not sure exactly what you need to do but Windows 10 has virtual desktops. I run three monitors and it happily runs virtual displays for all monitors.

If you buy a Surface or Surface Book you can of course run two or three external displays separate to the display on the Surface. You could easily swap between two virtual desktops for both displays.


Thanks, playing with it-seems better than linux but not as good as OS X.
 
2017-04-14 10:23:58 AM  

Jesus McSordid: I'm a total curmudgeon, but I have embraced Windows 10. It's weird for me to be so accepting, but Windows 10 is actually pretty damned good. better than Windows 8, and even better then Windows 7.


I use 7 at home, and 10 at work.  10 is by no counts an improvement on 7.  It places layers of nannies between you and deep system settings, and constantly nags you to try MS products instead of the 3rd party software you're intentionally using (you can turn the nags off, but they turn back on seemingly every update cycle).  It's a constant fight between the user and the OS to obtain and keep control over everything.  On top of that, the basic search is tied into Cortana, meaning that every time you search for anything (which is required if you want to use some 'hidden' desktop applications), it sends this search out to Bing.  You can't turn off telemetry, and even with the Creator's Update, you still have no actual control over what MS scrapes from your system.

And the goddamn sticky window borders on multi-monitor setups...  Stop catching my mouse pointer when I'm trying to skip between desktops!

Win10 is faster to boot on older/slower hardware.  Win7 is just as fast on newer/higher-end hardware, so the point is moot unless you like to run pokey metal.

Win7 is the last version of Windows I will run at home, excepting the very few times int he future where I'll need to have DX12 for a new game.  Hopefully Vulkan gains momentum, so even that won't be necessary.  I'm moving back to Linux for regular desktop use once MS finally killswitches 7**.

** No, I'm not paranoid, I'm being somewhat sarcastic.  With Satay Nutella at the helm, I don't put it past MS to do exactly this, in the name of "security" (read: forced update to their new ad platform).  He wants MS to roll in that sweet Google/Facebook money via monetizing their install base.  However, I don't believe that they'll do this.  Just wouldn't surprise me if that is the next step.

/Satya is hell-bent on making MS a mobile-focused service company
//never thought I'd miss Ballmer...
///Mint has been pretty good so far on my test system
 
2017-04-14 10:55:00 AM  

MrSteve007: RolfBlitzer: There's always Apple
The same Apple that tries to cram iOS updates down my throat ever few weeks, by notifying me that I should keep my iPad plugged in tonight to complete an update I never asked for? And then the next morning, when the update fails and I try to cancel out of the update, it makes me agree to the latest Terms of Service, then re-notifies me to plug in my iPad tonight so it can tonight? That Apple?


I have 2 iphones and 3 ipads and this is never an issue with me. Must be you.
 
2017-04-14 11:08:24 AM  
I am a linux guy. I like windows 10. There, I said it.

It's micro$oft so of course you have to go in and disable some of the gimmicky crap (looking at you, cortana), do some work to remove the bloot. But that is expected. Not real keen on the UI. But You put Windows10 and 7 side by side, especially on a newer mid to high grade hardware and you will see a performance boost. 7 was a good OS, but just like Win2kPro (best microsoft OS hands down IMHO) it has reached the end of its lifecycle. It is time to move on.

I usually run a dual boot but since installing 10 I have not felt the need to install CENTOS. I don't miss it. Not to say 10 is perfect. Yet Coming from Microsoft, they came fairly close to the mark. Oh, and can't beat free
 
2017-04-14 11:28:22 AM  
I work at a school.  In Japan, which means that the IT staff is me (the foreigner who helps out with the computer club), and the teacher that runs the computer club (he's very good at Excel art, which is why he runs the computer club).  One of the school computers updated itself to Win10 and shiat hit the fan in ways I have never seen before.  The computer stopped talking to everything.  It was horrific.  District administrators (not tech admins, but actual administrators) were getting called in and showing up to glare at the offensive computer.  It was amazing and a headache because word came down from on high to cut computer usage for fear of it happening to other computers (this included banning USB drives).

The problem still hasn't been solved either (and, as much as I know Japanese, I know better than to try to do tech support on that level in Japanese).
 
2017-04-14 11:50:45 AM  
When the download 10 icon appeared I clicked it and got a message saying in effect my computer was too old. Since I can't afford a new one I have been happy to stick with what I know.
 
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