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(Bay News 9)   Developer to build 300 sqft "micro apartments," renting them at the full market rate for normal-size apartments. Hipsters will be all over this   ( baynews9.com) divider line
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2017-04-14 12:04:10 AM  
And yet right around the corner in Ventana, you can get a 1900 sq ft pad with a private walled patio twice the size of this junk, at about the same price when split between two people.
 
2017-04-14 12:13:53 AM  
Private rooms with communal utilities (bath & kitchen) would bring us back to the 1960s, before anti-boarding room reforms pushed everyone into complete apartments. Collectivism isn't evil, but we have made it so.
 
2017-04-14 12:25:20 AM  
I live in 400 sf with two cats

/but it's a damn sight cheaper
//and I'm in California
 
2017-04-14 12:50:22 AM  
Burn him.
 
2017-04-14 01:14:21 AM  
Build cities made of sound.
 
2017-04-14 01:41:59 AM  

BalugaJoe: Build cities made of sound.


...on rock n' roll.
 
2017-04-14 01:43:40 AM  

Sugarbombs: when split between two people


There's the rub.

real_headhoncho: Burn him.


This.
 
2017-04-14 01:44:35 AM  

bloobeary: BalugaJoe: Build cities made of sound.

...on rock n' roll.


We Built This City-Jefferson Starship (Lyrics)
Youtube 0aMOp54W0Wo
 
2017-04-14 01:48:34 AM  
See, we have these setups in old large former hotel buildings around here. Rent is cheaper than other places, but... you get "those" neighbors. And they are going to be massive disasters that kill a lot of people when a big quake hits.
 
2017-04-14 02:04:37 AM  

Sugarbombs: And yet right around the corner in Ventana, you can get a 1900 sq ft pad with a private walled patio twice the size of this junk, at about the same price when split between two people.


Split between two people being the operative words.
 
2017-04-14 02:29:40 AM  
You know, for that kind of money, you could just buy a toolshed, insulate it after you cut in some windows, and pretty much drop it any camp grounds you want...
 
2017-04-14 02:34:40 AM  
I had 550 sq. ft. for $550 a month in Arcadia (nice neighborhood) in Phoenix. That included all utilities, water, trash, and sewer. My AC was at full blast all 7-8 months of summer. It was a great deal. The property manager never raised my rent in 9 years because I was quiet, never gave her any problems, and paid my rent on time. She was also kind of a fruit fly and was really good to the gay tenants. The actual landlord was OK with keeping my rent unchanged because she said she would rather have teachers in the building.

People who were moving in the year I left were paying $700 a month and I was still paying $550.

It's not that teachers are quieter than others or party less than others; it's that we go party with friends who have nicer homes, :)
 
2017-04-14 02:37:39 AM  

hubiestubert: You know, for that kind of money, you could just buy a toolshed, insulate it after you cut in some windows, and pretty much drop it any camp grounds you want...


Great. Now you've gone and demonstrated to the developer that he needs to throw more money at the city council and get a few laws passed, tout suite

/before the guy who sells toolsheds gets there
 
2017-04-14 02:46:42 AM  

hubiestubert: You know, for that kind of money, you could just buy a toolshed, insulate it after you cut in some windows, and pretty much drop it any camp grounds you want...


For MUCH less than this, actually. My cousin did exactly this, but behind his sister's house in Williston, Florida. For a single guy who is a manual laborer and stays at his girlfriend's house a lot, it's not a bad way to save money for a down-payment on a small fixer-upper. He uses the kitchen and bathroom in the house, so that shed is basically just a bedroom.
 
2017-04-14 02:55:16 AM  

puffy999: See, we have these setups in old large former hotel buildings around here. Rent is cheaper than other places, but... you get "those" neighbors. And they are going to be massive disasters that kill a lot of people when a big quake hits.


Portland made the mistake of letting almost all of those either get converted to condos, offices, or luxury apartments/hotels.  Most of the rest were torn down and replaced with condos, offices, luxury apartments/hotels.  Last I heard we have one building left, and it's being renovated because the city bought it to provide affordable housing.  Because rents got really high and homelessness got kind of out of control.  Now a cheap studio built in 1972 in any halfway decent location hit $1000/mo.

Whoops.  Instead of having poor people live in cheap SRO units downtown we have them in the parks and on the sidewalks in and around downtown.
 
2017-04-14 03:04:17 AM  
When I worked at Mesa Verde National Park, they stuffed us into Wabs, which were just barely insulated toolsheds with windows cut in, and a couple of electrical outlets so that you could run a mini fridge, air conditioner, or maybe a TV and a computer. I was charged $25 a month for my Wab. And the sanitary facilities were in a side building, and kitchen facilities were in another common building.

No one really doesn't a lot of time in their Wabs. There was pretty much enough room for two beds, two tiny dressers, and a single desk. You stole milk crates to create shelves on the walls...
 
2017-04-14 03:05:48 AM  
...Because you miss the dorms?
 
2017-04-14 03:06:32 AM  
In the past year or so, I've spent a lot of time home shopping, looking at various places both staged for open house as well as unprepped for a visit. It amazes me at how nasty some people are willing to live. Broken and cracked shelves, ripped carpet, urine everywhere. It's frankly disgusting seeing some of these places.

So considering that these are mid-range homes and not low cost housing like the ones in this article, I'm hesitant to even consider the squalor these cheap houses will end up in.
 
2017-04-14 03:19:18 AM  
And rent on normal sized apartments will increase 70% in three years because they're twice the size.
 
2017-04-14 03:34:07 AM  

real_headhoncho: Burn him.


I can only add...And all of his backers, one inch at a time, feet first.
 
2017-04-14 03:58:36 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: In the past year or so, I've spent a lot of time home shopping, looking at various places both staged for open house as well as unprepped for a visit. It amazes me at how nasty some people are willing to live. Broken and cracked shelves, ripped carpet, urine everywhere. It's frankly disgusting seeing some of these places.

So considering that these are mid-range homes and not low cost housing like the ones in this article, I'm hesitant to even consider the squalor these cheap houses will end up in.


I live on an old air base. The old base housing was turned into apartments but way more then the town could ever need so the rent is very cheap about 0.35 per sq foot.  Ladt winter i broke some ribs and an ankle when i slipped on the ice ao for about 6 weeks i did not clean at all had to pay a neighbors kid to scoop the litter box for me and take out trash.  My furnace went out and i had to call thr maiantance people to come out i was so embarrased to have anyone in the place but they told me that even without me having cleaned at all in 6 weeks it was one of the cleaner apartments they had been in for a while.    I thought they were lying to me but he
 
2017-04-14 03:59:35 AM  
In the future, we shall be nomads, killing each other for the leftover shelters that we find.
 
2017-04-14 04:01:29 AM  
Brilliant! Only Trump could lose money on a deal like that.
 
2017-04-14 04:02:44 AM  

Sid_6.7: Sugarbombs: when split between two people

There's the rub.


Giggity.
 
2017-04-14 04:13:56 AM  
That's what most student homes looks like around here in Sweden. We're too antisocial for dorms and roomates.
 
2017-04-14 04:16:56 AM  
Works very well in Asia, where space is tight.
 
2017-04-14 04:33:40 AM  

pup.socket: Works very well in Asia, where space is tight.


Lots of tightness in Asia...
 
2017-04-14 04:36:34 AM  
From the illustration it seems nice enough. Separate bedroom (I assume that's what that extra room is).

Nice windows. Kitchen is in your living room, but well. If you're young and haven't accumolated [sic] a ton of stuff.
 
2017-04-14 04:39:28 AM  
You just shift problems around. This will hit the Tampa trailer community hard.
 
2017-04-14 04:40:04 AM  
Before we moved to our current place we live in a 2-bedroom/1-bathroom apartment that was 1,015 square feet.


Rent was $800 month. We had granite countertops in the kitchen, vanity & bathroom, full-size washer & dryer in our unit, plus free expanded basic cable.


Current place is a 4-bedroom/2-bathroom duplex, 1,700 square feet. We pay $1,075 month.
 
2017-04-14 04:55:33 AM  
Pricing is getting absurd.

ATX you're paying, at min, 2$ a sq. ft anywhere worth a crap. My place is nice, but not 1400 (no utils) for 630 sq ft nice.
 
2017-04-14 05:04:40 AM  

phrawgh: pup.socket: Works very well in Asia, where space is tight.

Lots of tightness in Asia...


Indeed.
 
2017-04-14 05:07:22 AM  

pup.socket: phrawgh: pup.socket: Works very well in Asia, where space is tight.

Lots of tightness in Asia...

Indeed.


cdn.wallpapersafari.com
 
2017-04-14 05:08:01 AM  
300 sq.feet is pretty standard in Tokyo for a 1 person studio. I lived in one for 5 years, perfectly sufficient if you are young and haven't got a lot of stuff yet.
 
2017-04-14 05:11:47 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Before we moved to our current place we live in a 2-bedroom/1-bathroom apartment that was 1,015 square feet.


Rent was $800 month. We had granite countertops in the kitchen, vanity & bathroom, full-size washer & dryer in our unit, plus free expanded basic cable.


Current place is a 4-bedroom/2-bathroom duplex, 1,700 square feet. We pay $1,075 month.


I didn't add that I'm about to move in with my gf at her apartment. It's less than 800 sf and the rent is $1300.00 a month. My dinky Unabomber shack up in the hills goes for $500.00

/Thank God it's only temporary, because it'll now be two adults, two cats, all her stuff, and all my stuff in less than twice the space
//I'm going to suggest we consider moving to Oregon where the rent is cheaper
 
2017-04-14 05:33:19 AM  

wildcardjack: Private rooms with communal utilities (bath & kitchen) would bring us back to the 1960s, before anti-boarding room reforms pushed everyone into complete apartments. Collectivism isn't evil, but we have made it so.


Yeah I just love sharing my bathroom with strangers.
 
2017-04-14 05:39:13 AM  
There is a huge demand for micro apartments! Everyone wants to declutter and live with less!

/Except rich assholes who want to exploit poor people.
 
2017-04-14 05:40:05 AM  
As someone paying around $1000/mo in a ~350sqft apartment, I'm getting a kick....

/ Tokyo wishing 3 minutes of a station in a building less than 10 years old with gas cooking and a veranda for drying clothes; I'm picky
 
2017-04-14 05:41:17 AM  

hubiestubert: You know, for that kind of money, you could just buy a toolshed, insulate it after you cut in some windows, and pretty much drop it any camp grounds you want...


Lived in ground for a summer... yuck.
 
2017-04-14 05:53:05 AM  
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2017-04-14 05:57:39 AM  

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"Autowash."
 
2017-04-14 06:20:11 AM  

angstycoder: As someone paying around $1000/mo in a ~350sqft apartment, I'm getting a kick....

/ Tokyo wishing 3 minutes of a station in a building less than 10 years old with gas cooking and a veranda for drying clothes; I'm picky


That's something I've always wondered about Japan, do they not have clothes dryers?  Or do they just not prefer to use them?
 
2017-04-14 06:21:55 AM  

Ambivalence: angstycoder: As someone paying around $1000/mo in a ~350sqft apartment, I'm getting a kick....

/ Tokyo wishing 3 minutes of a station in a building less than 10 years old with gas cooking and a veranda for drying clothes; I'm picky

That's something I've always wondered about Japan, do they not have clothes dryers?  Or do they just not prefer to use them?


Yes.
 
2017-04-14 06:37:08 AM  
Amazing, they've invented the studio apartment.
 
2017-04-14 06:47:17 AM  

Ambivalence: angstycoder: As someone paying around $1000/mo in a ~350sqft apartment, I'm getting a kick....

/ Tokyo wishing 3 minutes of a station in a building less than 10 years old with gas cooking and a veranda for drying clothes; I'm picky

That's something I've always wondered about Japan, do they not have clothes dryers?  Or do they just not prefer to use them?

People in colder climates have them. I could buy one here, but (a) they take up space, (b) tons of laundromats around if you need one and (c) really energy inefficient here (we're 100v) unless gas, and even then not cheap (and there's basically a zero percent chance any place will give you approval to install or alter a gas line).
 
2017-04-14 06:49:03 AM  

angstycoder: Ambivalence: angstycoder: As someone paying around $1000/mo in a ~350sqft apartment, I'm getting a kick....

/ Tokyo wishing 3 minutes of a station in a building less than 10 years old with gas cooking and a veranda for drying clothes; I'm picky

That's something I've always wondered about Japan, do they not have clothes dryers?  Or do they just not prefer to use them?
People in colder climates have them. I could buy one here, but (a) they take up space, (b) tons of laundromats around if you need one and (c) really energy inefficient here (we're 100v) unless gas, and even then not cheap (and there's basically a zero percent chance any place will give you approval to install or alter a gas line).


Forgot: most newer apartments do have a room with a dry setting that can help dry clothes more quickly indoors when the weather sucks. I found that sticking them on hangers spaced apart in my living/bedroom works just as well (or, for slacks, using my bed's headboard as an impromptu drying rack).
 
2017-04-14 06:53:18 AM  

hubiestubert: When I worked at Mesa Verde National Park, they stuffed us into Wabs, which were just barely insulated toolsheds with windows cut in, and a couple of electrical outlets so that you could run a mini fridge, air conditioner, or maybe a TV and a computer. I was charged $25 a month for my Wab. And the sanitary facilities were in a side building, and kitchen facilities were in another common building.

No one really doesn't a lot of time in their Wabs. There was pretty much enough room for two beds, two tiny dressers, and a single desk. You stole milk crates to create shelves on the walls...


Milk Crates!  The building material of the future.  They were a staple of dorm life decorating when I was in college.
 
2017-04-14 06:56:08 AM  
Can't you rent a canal or river front home down there for not much more than that?
 
2017-04-14 07:01:14 AM  
Micro Studio Apartment designed for a single person - CHECK.
"Cafeteria" for residents who cannot/will not cook for themselves - CHECK.
"Communal Activity Center" - CHECK.
Rec/Game Room with TV - CHECK.

So basically a Senior Living Center for young people.

Bonus: in 50 years, the Developer can convert, and keep the same clients he started with!
 
2017-04-14 07:07:14 AM  

cardex: AverageAmericanGuy: In the past year or so, I've spent a lot of time home shopping, looking at various places both staged for open house as well as unprepped for a visit. It amazes me at how nasty some people are willing to live. Broken and cracked shelves, ripped carpet, urine everywhere. It's frankly disgusting seeing some of these places.

So considering that these are mid-range homes and not low cost housing like the ones in this article, I'm hesitant to even consider the squalor these cheap houses will end up in.

I live on an old air base. The old base housing was turned into apartments but way more then the town could ever need so the rent is very cheap about 0.35 per sq foot.  Ladt winter i broke some ribs and an ankle when i slipped on the ice ao for about 6 weeks i did not clean at all had to pay a neighbors kid to scoop the litter box for me and take out trash.  My furnace went out and i had to call thr maiantance people to come out i was so embarrased to have anyone in the place but they told me that even without me having cleaned at all in 6 weeks it was one of the cleaner apartments they had been in for a while.    I thought they were lying to me but he


got out his phone and started showing me pictures. It was a little uncomfortable at first, because are shoulders kept bumping together.

I thought it was accidental, but when I glanced up from the phone, our eyes met.

My throat was tight and I started sweating. He smiled and raised his hand to
 
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