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2017-04-13 10:13:14 PM  
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2017-04-13 10:45:38 PM  
So I'm supposed to watch a tiny screen in the dashboard to make sure I don't run over an unsupervised kid instead of looking where the car is actually going?

And cars will cost more for a feature that seems fairly useless?
 
2017-04-13 11:36:33 PM  

davidphogan: So I'm supposed to watch a tiny screen in the dashboard to make sure I don't run over an unsupervised kid instead of looking where the car is actually going?

And cars will cost more for a feature that seems fairly useless?


It's funny that you think staring into a mirror is "looking where the car is actually going". It's also funny that you think that a mirror that won't show anything below the bottom of your rear window will show you more than a camera that will show you everything from the ground. It's sad that you think only kids are behind cars. God knows what you are going to run over next because "looking where the car is actually going" didn't show you the 2 1/2 to 4 feet(depending on your vehicle)  that you can't see with a mirror.

Unless the entire rear end of your car is glass and the driver's seat swivels 180°, a rear view camera is going to show you far more than you currently see.

Oh, and it isn't a "new" technology anymore. It's been out long enough that a lot of cars include it for next to nothing, if not as a standard feature. Hell, you can get one that is integrated into a license plate frame and uses WiFi to broadcast to your cell phone for about $40.
 
2017-04-14 12:52:23 AM  

Mikey1969: It's funny that you think staring into a mirror is "looking where the car is actually going". It's also funny that you think that a mirror that won't show anything below the bottom of your rear window will show you more than a camera that will show you everything from the ground.


It's sad you think everyone stares at their mirror to back their car up.  And that you think nobody checks what's around their car before they start moving.

At least in the BMW's, Mercedes, Fords, and Toyotas I've driven with backup cameras I've never had one show me something behind the car that I wasn't aware of behind me.  They show me a poorly lit, low resolution, small scale version of what I'd see if I just actually looked behind me, usually with a ton of computer graphics added that distract from actually seeing someone behind my car.

They sounded like a good idea until I actually drove a bunch of cars that have them.  Once I actually used them they were pretty useless (or worse) on most cars that aren't a SUV/truck/crossover.
 
2017-04-14 01:02:57 AM  
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2017-04-14 01:13:08 AM  

davidphogan: Mikey1969: It's funny that you think staring into a mirror is "looking where the car is actually going". It's also funny that you think that a mirror that won't show anything below the bottom of your rear window will show you more than a camera that will show you everything from the ground.

It's sad you think everyone stares at their mirror to back their car up.  And that you think nobody checks what's around their car before they start moving.

At least in the BMW's, Mercedes, Fords, and Toyotas I've driven with backup cameras I've never had one show me something behind the car that I wasn't aware of behind me.  They show me a poorly lit, low resolution, small scale version of what I'd see if I just actually looked behind me, usually with a ton of computer graphics added that distract from actually seeing someone behind my car.

They sounded like a good idea until I actually drove a bunch of cars that have them.  Once I actually used them they were pretty useless (or worse) on most cars that aren't a SUV/truck/crossover.


So I guess what you're saying is that you use the force? I mean, if you don't use your mirrors, you must do something to assure that there is nothing behind your car, because only a moron would assume that nothing and/or nobody could wander back there between the time that you make your(totally believable) preflight stroll and when you have magically reversed without looking behind your vehicle using the tools provided, right?

And you're right, technology has never improved. These backup cameras are the same things they had on the dinosaurs. Your "low resolution" pictures from 10 years ago are exactly what people see now.
 
2017-04-14 01:40:23 AM  

davidphogan: So I'm supposed to watch a tiny screen in the dashboard to make sure I don't run over an unsupervised kid instead of looking where the car is actually going?

And cars will cost more for a feature that seems fairly useless?


A car's features are only as useless as the person using them.  Basically, you're a terrible driver.
 
2017-04-14 01:41:56 AM  
This is a good thing. Backup cameras make a lot of sense.

It's about time to have these standard on all vehicles.
 
2017-04-14 01:43:36 AM  

davidphogan: And cars will cost more for a feature that seems fairly useless?


Oh boo farkin hoo. Next time don't get the gold rims or the lift kit and you'll come out ahead.
 
2017-04-14 01:44:24 AM  

TOSViolation: davidphogan: So I'm supposed to watch a tiny screen in the dashboard to make sure I don't run over an unsupervised kid instead of looking where the car is actually going?

And cars will cost more for a feature that seems fairly useless?

A car's features are only as useless as the person using them.  Basically, you're a terrible driver.


Yeah.. But the HUD speedo on the Grand Touring models is really a step down from the normal cockpit gauges on the Touring and lower grades.
 
2017-04-14 01:44:41 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: This is a good thing. Backup cameras make a lot of sense.

It's about time to have these standard on all vehicles.


There was a time when seat-belts were an optional feature too.
 
2017-04-14 01:44:53 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: TOSViolation: davidphogan: So I'm supposed to watch a tiny screen in the dashboard to make sure I don't run over an unsupervised kid instead of looking where the car is actually going?

And cars will cost more for a feature that seems fairly useless?

A car's features are only as useless as the person using them.  Basically, you're a terrible driver.

Yeah.. But the HUD speedo on the Grand Touring models is really a step down from the normal cockpit gauges on the Touring and lower grades.


On the Mazda 3 series, I mean.
 
2017-04-14 01:46:53 AM  

TOSViolation: AverageAmericanGuy: This is a good thing. Backup cameras make a lot of sense.

It's about time to have these standard on all vehicles.

There was a time when seat-belts were an optional feature too.


The devil's own invention. Better to be thrown free in a crash or have the chance to escape if the car catches fire.
 
2017-04-14 01:46:56 AM  
People, please!! Can't you see this backup camera thread is tearing us apart?!
 
2017-04-14 01:48:41 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: AverageAmericanGuy: TOSViolation: davidphogan: So I'm supposed to watch a tiny screen in the dashboard to make sure I don't run over an unsupervised kid instead of looking where the car is actually going?

And cars will cost more for a feature that seems fairly useless?

A car's features are only as useless as the person using them.  Basically, you're a terrible driver.

Yeah.. But the HUD speedo on the Grand Touring models is really a step down from the normal cockpit gauges on the Touring and lower grades.

On the Mazda 3 series, I mean.


What's a Mazda 3?  Is that made by Bentley?  I only drive an economy model Aston Martin.
 
2017-04-14 01:51:53 AM  
I'd like to have such a feature, but wonder what my liability is if the system fails and I neglect to have it repaired and then something happens that the camera might have prevented.

IOW, is such a system (and its potential failure) leaving me more exposed than I would have been otherwise?
 
2017-04-14 01:52:04 AM  
Before that it was that 3rd light in the middle. Before that it was airbags. Before that it was seatbelts. Before that it was windshields. Before that it was headlamps. Before that it was horns.
When is the government going to stop dictating what new thing manufacturers must add to their cars? What if I don't want some or all of these features? Why do I need to have a horn against my will? They can't make me blow it, so why make me have it?
What will be the next stupid thing big government makes me have on my car? A breathylizer? A 3rd headlight in the middle that swivels with the staring wheel so you can see around corners at night? A system that safely pulls the car over when you huff too many whipits while driving? Did the government ever think I was maybe in that ditch because I wanted to be there? That maybe I liked being passed out at a 30 degree angle? No of course not.
Thanks Trump.
 
2017-04-14 01:53:45 AM  
They sell leashes for a reason, or you can get a electric collar.
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2017-04-14 01:54:58 AM  

TOSViolation: AverageAmericanGuy: AverageAmericanGuy: TOSViolation: davidphogan: So I'm supposed to watch a tiny screen in the dashboard to make sure I don't run over an unsupervised kid instead of looking where the car is actually going?

And cars will cost more for a feature that seems fairly useless?

A car's features are only as useless as the person using them.  Basically, you're a terrible driver.

Yeah.. But the HUD speedo on the Grand Touring models is really a step down from the normal cockpit gauges on the Touring and lower grades.

On the Mazda 3 series, I mean.

What's a Mazda 3?  Is that made by Bentley?  I only drive an economy model Aston Martin.


It's something your gardener might drive. One of those poor people cars that you see all over the road once you leave the valley.
 
2017-04-14 01:55:31 AM  

davidphogan: So I'm supposed to watch a tiny screen in the dashboard to make sure I don't run over an unsupervised kid instead of looking where the car is actually going?

And cars will cost more for a feature that seems fairly useless?


1. You don't have any field of view below the level of your tailgate, the bottom of your rear window, etc, so... yes.  You're expected to have "ability to see people under 4 feet tall behind you" as a feature of your car.  Trust me, speaking as an engineer if that shiat had been a viable possibility technologically in the 1900s this requirement would have been a thing since the farking model T.  It's essentially a known design flaw that we haven't had the ability to address until recently.

2. The backup camera is adding something like 40$ to the cost of an item whose base cost ranges from 20k$ to 50k$.  The fact that it costs essentially nothing is one of the reasons this is becoming a legally mandated fleet requirement instead of just a strong suggestion.  The fact that you're required to have brake lights is potentially adding more to the price of the car than this.

3. Modern cars have a screen as part of the standard interface, there's really no reason not to have it display the safety cam when you're in reverse instead of what channel the radio is set to or the bluetooth output of your phone or google maps or whatever.  Have you just never been inside a car manufactured after 2010, ever, or something?  This is pretty standard for even things like cheap trucks, you have to specifically go out of your way to request not having it and ordering a nonstandard package means that not having it is, in most cases, more expensive.
 
2017-04-14 01:58:35 AM  

MythDragon: What will be the next stupid thing big government makes me have on my car?


A vagina.

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2017-04-14 02:02:02 AM  

MythDragon: TOSViolation: AverageAmericanGuy: AverageAmericanGuy: TOSViolation: davidphogan: So I'm supposed to watch a tiny screen in the dashboard to make sure I don't run over an unsupervised kid instead of looking where the car is actually going?

And cars will cost more for a feature that seems fairly useless?

A car's features are only as useless as the person using them.  Basically, you're a terrible driver.

Yeah.. But the HUD speedo on the Grand Touring models is really a step down from the normal cockpit gauges on the Touring and lower grades.

On the Mazda 3 series, I mean.

What's a Mazda 3?  Is that made by Bentley?  I only drive an economy model Aston Martin.

It's something your gardener might drive. One of those poor people cars that you see all over the road once you leave the valley.


Leave the valley?!  You mean like in my helicopter?  I never look out the tinted windows.  All those tiny peasants look far too dreadful down there.
 
2017-04-14 02:02:34 AM  
Hooray! Something else that will break, cost more to fix than your 10 year old car is worth, and which will cause you to fail inspection!
 
2017-04-14 02:02:56 AM  

Norad: People, please!! Can't you see this backup camera thread is tearing us apart?!


Have you seriously not seen the rift caused by arguments over salted vs unsalted butter here?
 
2017-04-14 02:10:20 AM  
Cool.  Now I'll get to see the looks on the kids' faces when I run them over.
 
2017-04-14 02:11:51 AM  
Having backed up my truck with a backup camera into my sister in law's vehicle because I was being a dumb ass and rushing, I am getting a kick.....etc.

I have young kids.  That scared me, because while backup cameras are awesome, there's no cure for being a dumb ass.  And everyone is a dumb ass from time to time.

I got a $2300 reminder of that - didn't want to make the insurance claim due to the deductibles, and I paid it out of pocket.  Now I remember to go slower.
 
2017-04-14 02:13:23 AM  
If we can't have a rear view camera, could we opt for a cow catcher instead?

//drives a 1998, no spot in dash for camera screen.
 
2017-04-14 02:14:33 AM  

dv-ous: Hooray! Something else that will break, cost more to fix than your 10 year old car is worth, and which will cause you to fail inspection!


Do they test the seat-belts in your state?  I hadn't thought about them having to test the camera.  Easy enough to fix.
 
2017-04-14 02:18:52 AM  

doofusgumby: Norad: People, please!! Can't you see this backup camera thread is tearing us apart?!

Have you seriously not seen the rift caused by arguments over salted vs unsalted butter here?


That's a debate? Really? I thought it was salted butter for the table, unsalted butter for baking? And, generally accepted?
 
2017-04-14 02:20:12 AM  

drumhellar: doofusgumby: Norad: People, please!! Can't you see this backup camera thread is tearing us apart?!

Have you seriously not seen the rift caused by arguments over salted vs unsalted butter here?

That's a debate? Really? I thought it was salted butter for the table, unsalted butter for baking? And, generally accepted?


Some people want to argue about everything. doofusgumby is an idiot. People aren't arguing about butter.
 
2017-04-14 02:21:28 AM  

drumhellar: doofusgumby: Norad: People, please!! Can't you see this backup camera thread is tearing us apart?!

Have you seriously not seen the rift caused by arguments over salted vs unsalted butter here?

That's a debate? Really? I thought it was salted butter for the table, unsalted butter for baking? And, generally accepted?


What in the actual fark did you just type?

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2017-04-14 02:25:15 AM  

TOSViolation: drumhellar: doofusgumby: Norad: People, please!! Can't you see this backup camera thread is tearing us apart?!

Have you seriously not seen the rift caused by arguments over salted vs unsalted butter here?

That's a debate? Really? I thought it was salted butter for the table, unsalted butter for baking? And, generally accepted?

What in the actual fark did you just type?

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Did I have it backwards? I always get unsalted anyways, 'cause I cook for my mom, and her kidneys are in terrible shape, so I trim back salt wherever I can.
 
2017-04-14 02:25:48 AM  

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That's in terrible taste. She shoulda squashed Billy too.
 
2017-04-14 02:25:55 AM  

lilfry14: //drives a 1998, no spot in dash for camera screen.


Fleet standards only apply to new cars.  That is, cars sold for the first time after the rule comes into effect.

I mean, you're welcome to try to get yours retrofitted if you want (generally the screen is part of the radio setup, so it starts with "buy a new car stereo system compatible with a camera input", which is the actual expensive part of getting one that didn't come with the car in the first place), but you're fine legally speaking.

Let us know what you end up getting if you try the retrofit thing, I'm a bit curious what the after-market setups cost compared to how dirt cheap it is to install them with the new cars.
 
2017-04-14 02:28:11 AM  

TOSViolation: drumhellar: doofusgumby: Norad: People, please!! Can't you see this backup camera thread is tearing us apart?!

Have you seriously not seen the rift caused by arguments over salted vs unsalted butter here?

That's a debate? Really? I thought it was salted butter for the table, unsalted butter for baking? And, generally accepted?

What in the actual fark did you just type?

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What about on popcorn ?
 
2017-04-14 02:29:27 AM  

elkboy: TOSViolation: drumhellar: doofusgumby: Norad: People, please!! Can't you see this backup camera thread is tearing us apart?!

Have you seriously not seen the rift caused by arguments over salted vs unsalted butter here?

That's a debate? Really? I thought it was salted butter for the table, unsalted butter for baking? And, generally accepted?

What in the actual fark did you just type?

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What about on popcorn ?


Oh geeze, here come the ghee/ clarified butter people now.
 
2017-04-14 02:30:24 AM  

doofusgumby: elkboy: TOSViolation: drumhellar: doofusgumby: Norad: People, please!! Can't you see this backup camera thread is tearing us apart?!

Have you seriously not seen the rift caused by arguments over salted vs unsalted butter here?

That's a debate? Really? I thought it was salted butter for the table, unsalted butter for baking? And, generally accepted?

What in the actual fark did you just type?

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What about on popcorn ?

Oh geeze, here come the ghee/ clarified butter people now.


Troop "bacon-fat" will be waddling in soon after.
 
2017-04-14 02:30:29 AM  

Jim_Callahan: lilfry14: //drives a 1998, no spot in dash for camera screen.

Fleet standards only apply to new cars.  That is, cars sold for the first time after the rule comes into effect.

I mean, you're welcome to try to get yours retrofitted if you want (generally the screen is part of the radio setup, so it starts with "buy a new car stereo system compatible with a camera input", which is the actual expensive part of getting one that didn't come with the car in the first place), but you're fine legally speaking.

Let us know what you end up getting if you try the retrofit thing, I'm a bit curious what the after-market setups cost compared to how dirt cheap it is to install them with the new cars.


$36.99 at Amazon

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2017-04-14 02:31:29 AM  

Mikey1969: It's funny that you think staring into a mirror is "looking where the car is actually going". It's also funny that you think that a mirror that won't show anything below the bottom of your rear window will show you more than a camera that will show you everything from the ground. It's sad that you think only kids are behind cars. God knows what you are going to run over next because blah blah blah.


Unless you're driving a cement truck or a rape van, if you backup while only looking in your mirror, and if you can't see the ground below your rear window because you ignore your side mirrors, you're probably one of the people running over some of those whopping 200 kids each year.

Awareness of your surroundings is your responsibility.  Those childrens' deaths is tragic, but it wasn't a failure of automakers to incorporate technology upon which people are becoming entirely reliable that caused them.  Failing to be a responsible driver did.  Billions, probably trillions, of personal vehicle trips have occurred without children having been backed over before cameras became "necessary" to save people from their growing lack of giving-a-shiat-edness and personal responsibility.  Phones or other devices with a screen are probably involved in a lot of those incidents, to begin with.
 
2017-04-14 02:37:00 AM  

Mikey1969: davidphogan: So I'm supposed to watch a tiny screen in the dashboard to make sure I don't run over an unsupervised kid instead of looking where the car is actually going?

And cars will cost more for a feature that seems fairly useless?


It's funny that you think staring into a mirror is "looking where the car is actually going". It's also funny that you think that a mirror that won't show anything below the bottom of your rear window will show you more than a camera that will show you everything from the ground. It's sad that you think only kids are behind cars. God knows what you are going to run over next because "looking where the car is actually going" didn't show you the 2 1/2 to 4 feet(depending on your vehicle)  that you can't see with a mirror.

Unless the entire rear end of your car is glass and the driver's seat swivels 180°, a rear view camera is going to show you far more than you currently see.

Oh, and it isn't a "new" technology anymore. It's been out long enough that a lot of cars include it for next to nothing, if not as a standard feature. Hell, you can get one that is integrated into a license plate frame and uses WiFi to broadcast to your cell phone for about $40.


It's funny that he never said "mirror" in his original comment, which I bolded. I mean if you just wanted to rant about mirrors I totally understand.
 
2017-04-14 02:37:51 AM  

Mikey1969: So I guess what you're saying is that you use the force? I mean, if you don't use your mirrors, you must do something to assure that there is nothing behind your car, because only a moron would assume that nothing and/or nobody could wander back there between the time that you make your(totally believable) preflight stroll and when you have magically reversed without looking behind your vehicle using the tools provided, right?

And you're right, technology has never improved. These backup cameras are the same things they had on the dinosaurs. Your "low resolution" pictures from 10 years ago are exactly what people see now.


I pay attention to who is around my car after I look around it before I get in.  If you regularly park in parking lots or streets it's not a bad idea to make sure there's nothing you're about to drive over.  Glass, cats, children, etc.

I'm not sure what you're doing where people can sneak behind your car so easily, but I've never had an issue with someone sneaking up on my car and getting into a blind spot while I'm getting ready to move.  I get in, put on my seatbelt, turn on the car, and get going.  It's not that tough to make sure nobody sneaks up behind me while doing that.

If someone wants to use a backup camera as a tool, great, but too many people act like they're just as good as paying attention to what's around the car in the first place.

If you're going to run over a kid, you're probably not paying enough attention that a camera is going to prevent anything.
 
2017-04-14 02:42:50 AM  
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I will agree, some vehicles really should have backup cameras.
 
2017-04-14 02:46:41 AM  

Turkey Baster Blasphemy: Mikey1969: It's funny that you think staring into a mirror is "looking where the car is actually going". It's also funny that you think that a mirror that won't show anything below the bottom of your rear window will show you more than a camera that will show you everything from the ground. It's sad that you think only kids are behind cars. God knows what you are going to run over next because blah blah blah.

Unless you're driving a cement truck or a rape van, if you backup while only looking in your mirror, and if you can't see the ground below your rear window because you ignore your side mirrors, you're probably one of the people running over some of those whopping 200 kids each year.

Awareness of your surroundings is your responsibility.  Those childrens' deaths is tragic, but it wasn't a failure of automakers to incorporate technology upon which people are becoming entirely reliable that caused them.  Failing to be a responsible driver did.  Billions, probably trillions, of personal vehicle trips have occurred without children having been backed over before cameras became "necessary" to save people from their growing lack of giving-a-shiat-edness and personal responsibility.  Phones or other devices with a screen are probably involved in a lot of those incidents, to begin with.


Turkey Baster Blasphemy:  "Derp derp derpity, what's a blind spot?  Derp derp derp."

You cannot see a little kid dart behind your car unless you have x-ray vision or a camera.
 
2017-04-14 02:47:17 AM  

Jim_Callahan: lilfry14: //drives a 1998, no spot in dash for camera screen.

Fleet standards only apply to new cars.  That is, cars sold for the first time after the rule comes into effect.

I mean, you're welcome to try to get yours retrofitted if you want (generally the screen is part of the radio setup, so it starts with "buy a new car stereo system compatible with a camera input", which is the actual expensive part of getting one that didn't come with the car in the first place), but you're fine legally speaking.

Let us know what you end up getting if you try the retrofit thing, I'm a bit curious what the after-market setups cost compared to how dirt cheap it is to install them with the new cars.


I installed one in my 1990's full-size pickup about 4 years ago.  The screen clips onto the existing rearvew mirror (which was only marginally useful due to the shell on the back) and the camera is attached to the license plate holder.  Hard-wired, not wireless.  Total cost then (including installation-- mostly wiring) was about $650.

As a former commercial truck driver I knew how to back safely by constantly monitoring rear view mirrors and other techniques.  This was still worth the trouble and cost just for backing up to my trailer (at least once per week) without getting out 1-2 times to match the hitch position precisely.
 
2017-04-14 02:49:20 AM  

davidphogan: Mikey1969: So I guess what you're saying is that you use the force? I mean, if you don't use your mirrors, you must do something to assure that there is nothing behind your car, because only a moron would assume that nothing and/or nobody could wander back there between the time that you make your(totally believable) preflight stroll and when you have magically reversed without looking behind your vehicle using the tools provided, right?

And you're right, technology has never improved. These backup cameras are the same things they had on the dinosaurs. Your "low resolution" pictures from 10 years ago are exactly what people see now.

I pay attention to who is around my car after I look around it before I get in.  If you regularly park in parking lots or streets it's not a bad idea to make sure there's nothing you're about to drive over.  Glass, cats, children, etc.

I'm not sure what you're doing where people can sneak behind your car so easily, but I've never had an issue with someone sneaking up on my car and getting into a blind spot while I'm getting ready to move.  I get in, put on my seatbelt, turn on the car, and get going.  It's not that tough to make sure nobody sneaks up behind me while doing that.

If someone wants to use a backup camera as a tool, great, but too many people act like they're just as good as paying attention to what's around the car in the first place.

If you're going to run over a kid, you're probably not paying enough attention that a camera is going to prevent anything.


You sound like someone who texts while driving because that stuff only happens to other people...

Have fun killing a kid someday.
 
2017-04-14 02:52:24 AM  
Also if you live in a crappy urban area it helps to parallel park.
/lives in crappy urban area
//terrible parker.
 
2017-04-14 02:57:16 AM  

The Captain's Ghost: I installed one in my 1990's full-size pickup about 4 years ago.  The screen clips onto the existing rearvew mirror (which was only marginally useful due to the shell on the back) and the camera is attached to the license plate holder.  Hard-wired, not wireless.  Total cost then (including installation-- mostly wiring) was about $650.


The fact that the other guy up-thread found one for 35$ four years later sort of summarizes why this is being made a required feature now and wasn't earlier, I guess.  That's a pretty precipitous drop in equipment cost.
 
2017-04-14 02:59:56 AM  

dambis: Also if you live in a crappy urban area it helps to parallel park.
/lives in crappy urban area
//terrible parker.


What does that even mean?  Is that something where you tip the valet more?
 
2017-04-14 03:01:43 AM  

Mikey1969: davidphogan: Mikey1969: It's funny that you think staring into a mirror is "looking where the car is actually going". It's also funny that you think that a mirror that won't show anything below the bottom of your rear window will show you more than a camera that will show you everything from the ground.

It's sad you think everyone stares at their mirror to back their car up.  And that you think nobody checks what's around their car before they start moving.

At least in the BMW's, Mercedes, Fords, and Toyotas I've driven with backup cameras I've never had one show me something behind the car that I wasn't aware of behind me.  They show me a poorly lit, low resolution, small scale version of what I'd see if I just actually looked behind me, usually with a ton of computer graphics added that distract from actually seeing someone behind my car.

They sounded like a good idea until I actually drove a bunch of cars that have them.  Once I actually used them they were pretty useless (or worse) on most cars that aren't a SUV/truck/crossover.

So I guess what you're saying is that you use the force? I mean, if you don't use your mirrors, you must do something to assure that there is nothing behind your car, because only a moron would assume that nothing and/or nobody could wander back there between the time that you make your(totally believable) preflight stroll and when you have magically reversed without looking behind your vehicle using the tools provided, right?

And you're right, technology has never improved. These backup cameras are the same things they had on the dinosaurs. Your "low resolution" pictures from 10 years ago are exactly what people see now.


The trunks that used to stretch half a block behind your Caddy are now vertical. Rear windows are bigger, but at such an angle that they're almost flat to the ground. That steel slab rooftop is now as curved as a raindrop. All the fins and corners are gone, so you trust your memory of where the rounded edges are. When you look into your mirror now, you see a slice of the world as if peering over a six foot wall with no view the ground behind. I thought rear cameras were a gimmick until we got a new car. Now I see that they are a neutral necessity born of a number of improvements to economy, safety and utility.
 
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