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(Guardian)   TSA starts banning all electronic devices larger than an exploding Samsung Galaxy 7 on airlines from 13 countries   ( theguardian.com) divider line
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2017-03-20 05:27:19 PM  
25 votes:
Seems like a totally pointless dick move to discourage brown people from visiting the US, or to put it another way, "what half the country wants".
2017-03-20 05:58:38 PM  
21 votes:
"Bomb threats" aside, i'm sure it has nothing at all to do with giving border agents the opportunity to covertly check said electronic devices.

Nope. I'm not paranoid at all.
2017-03-20 08:50:14 PM  
20 votes:

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: optikeye: But, allow them in the check luggage?

This is probably the worse place for a potential fire. At least in a cabin you can put it in a fire bag.


Most cargo holds are not pressurized. Lack of oxygen would put out the fire*.


*assuming oxygen generating devices are not on fire as Valujet crash.


This is absolutely incorrect.  The plane is a pressurized tube.  The floor is a thin insert within the tube, not a pressure bulkhead.  Some cargo areas aren't as well climate controled, which is why pets can't go in some jets on very hot or cold weather days, but they're all pressurized.
2017-03-20 06:21:57 PM  
18 votes:
Oh yah, keep enticing me to visit your vile ass-country with benevolent and well-thought out policies like this.  Thank a deplorable appropriately for this absolute garbage.
2017-03-20 07:56:09 PM  
16 votes:
Yet more security theatre!
2017-03-20 06:18:53 PM  
16 votes:
But, allow them in the check luggage?

This is probably the worse place for a potential fire. At least in a cabin you can put it in a fire bag.
2017-03-20 05:56:47 PM  
14 votes:
imgs.xkcd.com

/obligatory xkcd
2017-03-20 06:06:34 PM  
13 votes:
"Saudi Arabia's Saudia Airlines and Royal Jordanian airlines are among the affected countries; the full list has not been revealed to the affected airlines themselves."

Don't worry, people. In a few years, once the details are hammered out bribes hit the bank accounts, Trump air will gladly fly you from the affected countries to the US with a special prescreening already in place, at on 3 times the cost.
2017-03-20 08:35:56 PM  
12 votes:
Jesus. Why would anyone travel by plane ever? It's getting more ridiculous than it already was. I've probably been charged a fee by American Airlines for typing "travel by plane" in this post.
2017-03-20 08:33:45 PM  
12 votes:

optikeye: But, allow them in the check luggage?

This is probably the worse place for a potential fire. At least in a cabin you can put it in a fire bag.


Yep. This isn't about "lithium battery safety concerns," though. The real question to ask is "which 13 countries?" See, I'm thinking that there are rather more countries included here than in the two-time loser Trump travel ban, and I'm wondering why...
2017-03-20 08:41:34 PM  
9 votes:
He's gutting our infrastructure and regressing us back decades in just about every measurable way, but I think he's doing a great job, because he's sticking it to the Mexicans and Moose lambs.
2017-03-20 08:53:56 PM  
8 votes:
2017-03-20 08:45:48 PM  
8 votes:
Damn, glad I was traveling last month and not this one.

If I wasn't allowed to bring my Kindle I would have been a very unhappy camper since at that point I'd already been traveling more than 36 hours without any actual sleep.  Plus I wouldn't trust my camera, even in a camera bag, in my checked luggage.  Good lenses are really expensive.
2017-03-20 08:45:44 PM  
8 votes:

ThatBillmanGuy: Jesus. Why would anyone travel by plane ever?


Because sometimes you have to get somewhere, and don't have time to sail. The question I've been asking is: How are restrictions on flying domestically (that is, not the point of this article, but when are we ever focused on that?) not a violation of the right of peaceable assembly, dammit?

Last I checked, even if the time it takes to go a longer distance than a day's drive was acceptable, neither Amtrak, Greyhound, nor my car could take me to a peaceable assembly in Hawaii.
2017-03-20 10:08:01 PM  
7 votes:
My peaceful protest is that my cell phone has been on and not in airplane mode for the entirety of more than 100 flights going back more than ten years. It was stupid long before they relaxed the rules and it's still stupid now.

Protip: if there was even a smidgen of an inkling of a possibility that your little electronic thing could take the plane down they would not rely on the honor system to police it.
2017-03-20 09:21:04 PM  
7 votes:

drjekel_mrhyde: Vegas and Disney won't take this stupid shiat on the chin for too long.


Anectotally, I'm seeing the effects. Went on a Disney (California) vacation this past Feb. with the fam. Two years ago, the hotel we stayed at was absolutely packed with huge families visiting from the Emirates, Bahrain, Kuwait, etc. This time, the hotel was at, max, 50% capacity and the room rate was $40/night lower than it had been just in December, when I first booked.

The travel bans along with trickling stories of massive harassment at the border by enabled a-hole CBP agents is having a very noticeable effect on areas previously visited by folks from the ME and Africa. There was supposed to be an African trade summit in socal this week but none of the ~100 African delegates could get an entry visa. None of them; mull that over. The effect has been dramatic and is likely to get worse.
2017-03-20 09:06:08 PM  
7 votes:
How doomed is the US tourism industry with all of this?
2017-03-20 08:48:31 PM  
7 votes:
The TSA agents haven't been able to steal enough iPads / laptops from the checkpoints, so they are insisting they be put into checked luggage?

DOT and IACO both prohibit transporting lithium batteries in the cargo hold, so how's this supposed to work?
2017-03-20 10:30:24 PM  
6 votes:
This is reminiscent of the GWB era of keeping people scared.  Whenever something went ugly in politics and Karl Rove needed to keep the base scared, all of a sudden there was a "new threat" and the TSA "needed" to do extra security measures.
2017-03-20 09:09:18 PM  
6 votes:
Vegas and Disney won't take this stupid shiat on the chin for too long.
2017-03-20 08:47:09 PM  
6 votes:
i.imgur.com
2017-03-20 08:45:57 PM  
5 votes:

DammitIForgotMyLogin: "Bomb threats" aside, i'm sure it has nothing at all to do with giving border agents the opportunity to covertly check said electronic devices.

Nope. I'm not paranoid at all.


This was exactly my first thought.  If you see the CBP agents open your bags you know your data has been vacuumed up.  If they vacuum all your checked devices, well plausible deniability.  Note that it only applies to foreign flag carriers -- wouldn't want US carriers getting sued for all the high dollar devices that go missing.
2017-03-20 10:42:01 PM  
4 votes:

JohnBigBootay: My peaceful protest is that my cell phone has been on and not in airplane mode for the entirety of more than 100 flights going back more than ten years. It was stupid long before they relaxed the rules and it's still stupid now.

Protip: if there was even a smidgen of an inkling of a possibility that your little electronic thing could take the plane down they would not rely on the honor system to police it.


You should rethink that.  The plane is fine, but do you know how much battery you're going to waste pinging every cell tower from NY to LA?
2017-03-20 10:34:40 PM  
4 votes:

LessO2: This is reminiscent of the GWB era of keeping people scared.  Whenever something went ugly in politics and Karl Rove needed to keep the base scared, all of a sudden there was a "new threat" and the TSA "needed" to do extra security measures.


I think we're at "Orange Alert".

img.fark.net

/At least since 1.20.17
2017-03-20 10:18:02 PM  
4 votes:
Guess I won't point out that the Lockerbie bomb was in the checked luggage, not in the cabin.
2017-03-20 09:56:39 PM  
4 votes:
The TSA and the fearmongers will stop at nothing to destroy the US tourism industry.
2017-03-20 09:12:41 PM  
4 votes:

theToadMan: How doomed is the US tourism industry with all of this?


Not just tourism. Business travel. If I were a professional photographer, I wouldn't trust my camera bodies to checked baggage. Heck, I'm an amateur and wouldn't trust them down there either.
On the other hand, with the wide latitude CPB gets in searches at the border, I probably wouldn't bring a laptop with any valuable business info through Customs anyway.
2017-03-20 09:53:04 PM  
3 votes:

ThatBillmanGuy: Jesus. Why would anyone travel by plane ever? It's getting more ridiculous than it already was. I've probably been charged a fee by American Airlines for typing "travel by plane" in this post.


I was on the way to the airport to go back home on 9/11. Drove the rental car back home.(1000 miles) Have not flown since.

/Still have the ticket
2017-03-20 09:03:46 PM  
3 votes:

midigod: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Most cargo holds are not pressurized. Lack of oxygen would put out the fire*.

Yes, they are both pressurized and temp controlled, because of some of the "live" cargo they carry (pets, live animals for restaurant menus). Also, some of the larger wide-body aircraft have galley facilities in the cargo hold area that flight attendants have to access during flight.


Not only that there are plenty of simple things that can go off with no oxygen, which I know because I have been helping someone design a rocket (don't ask)
2017-03-20 08:53:50 PM  
3 votes:
If the ban doesn't affect American carriers, then this seems to be more about certain foreign airlines than the people in those countries. It raises the questions of: 1) which of their carriers pose risks, and 2) what the fark those risks could be.
2017-03-20 08:37:31 PM  
3 votes:

ThatBillmanGuy: Jesus. Why would anyone travel by plane ever? It's getting more ridiculous than it already was. I've probably been charged a fee by American Airlines for typing "travel by plane" in this post.


I only travel by dirigible.
2017-03-20 11:54:02 PM  
2 votes:

seelorq: JohnBigBootay: My peaceful protest is that my cell phone has been on and not in airplane mode for the entirety of more than 100 flights going back more than ten years. It was stupid long before they relaxed the rules and it's still stupid now.

Protip: if there was even a smidgen of an inkling of a possibility that your little electronic thing could take the plane down they would not rely on the honor system to police it.

Have they ever said that a plane could be taken down that way? Could it be that, apart from a "OMG! You're gonna crash the plane! TURN THAT OFF!" reason, there might be a simpler, less crashy reason having to do with communications, etc?

I'm not trolling...I honestly don't know why they do it...but I've never exactly heard that it threatened the ability of the plane to stay airborne. And it's probably not due to spite or stigginit, as they will do anything to keep their first-class customers first-class customers.


The ban actually isn't because of problems with the plane at all.  The ban isn't from the FAA - which actually has no policy about cell phone usage on planes - it's from the FCC, and the original rationale had to do with a phone rapidly moving between base stations or trying to connect to multiple base stations at once.  They didn't think it would potentially disrupt airplane electronics, they thought it would potentially disrupt the cellular network.
2017-03-20 11:50:02 PM  
2 votes:
HOw about banning all fatness that pours over into your seat.
2017-03-20 11:07:37 PM  
2 votes:

Action Replay Nick: Seems like a totally pointless dick move to discourage brown people from visiting the US, or to put it another way, "what half the country wants".


They've been turning back a bunch of [white] Canadians the last few weeks too, Nearly all of the Canadians (of nearly all the colours) that I know are taking a pass on unnecessary US Travel and all they can to get out of the necessary until these shenanigans are undone by a President with some semblance of common sense...
2017-03-20 10:56:15 PM  
2 votes:

DammitIForgotMyLogin: "Bomb threats" aside, i'm sure it has nothing at all to do with giving border agents the opportunity to covertly check said electronic devices.

Nope. I'm not paranoid at all.


It's not paranoia if the government has a recorded history of doing this.
2017-03-20 10:44:18 PM  
2 votes:

seelorq: JohnBigBootay: My peaceful protest is that my cell phone has been on and not in airplane mode for the entirety of more than 100 flights going back more than ten years. It was stupid long before they relaxed the rules and it's still stupid now.

Protip: if there was even a smidgen of an inkling of a possibility that your little electronic thing could take the plane down they would not rely on the honor system to police it.

Have they ever said that a plane could be taken down that way? Could it be that, apart from a "OMG! You're gonna crash the plane! TURN THAT OFF!" reason, there might be a simpler, less crashy reason having to do with communications, etc?

I'm not trolling...I honestly don't know why they do it...but I've never exactly heard that it threatened the ability of the plane to stay airborne. And it's probably not due to spite or stigginit, as they will do anything to keep their first-class customers first-class customers.


The "logic" and reason was always with communication and navigation.   The communication with the radios (even though they're on an entirely different frequency), and navigation when they are doing an ILS approach and landing.

JohnBigBootay has probably experienced a lot of several drained batteries because cell phones hurtling at ~525 mph seven to eight miles above the surface somehow can't latch onto a cell tower and properly hand off to the next tower.
2017-03-20 09:56:54 PM  
2 votes:
Thanks Putin.


assholes
2017-03-20 09:21:25 PM  
2 votes:

That Guy...From That Show!: BumpInTheNight: Oh yah, keep enticing me to visit your vile ass-country with benevolent and well-thought out policies like this.

We are trying to keep you out, hello?


Trump's slaughter of the domestic tourism industry will be amusing, as someone mentioned above:  You don't fark with Disney.

/white guy
//with a moral compass that isn't pegged south
2017-03-20 09:15:45 PM  
2 votes:

siennaskye: i like how this was a secret order.. that the public - probably american, wasnt supposed to know about it... which we woulda anyways after the 96 hours was up...

also how it only affects non american airlines to and from those countries. i dont even know what to say here....


Assuming these electronics don't get pilfered along the way,  I really don't see them surviving.  I've seen what happens to laptops when a soft sided laptop bag goes through checked baggage. That plane lucked out that the cells didn't rupture.  The laptop had a 20 degree bend down the middle from back to front.  It shattered the mobo, display, keyboard and split the magnesium base assembly.  Please note this was one of exploding battery Dells before the battery got replaced.  So they could have ended up with a combination lithium and magnesium fire in the hold of the plane.
2017-03-20 08:56:03 PM  
2 votes:
i like how this was a secret order.. that the public - probably american, wasnt supposed to know about it... which we woulda anyways after the 96 hours was up...

also how it only affects non american airlines to and from those countries. i dont even know what to say here....
2017-03-20 08:55:47 PM  
2 votes:
A lot of devices use Lithium Ion batteries, so aren't likely to be allowed in your checked baggage either.

Have fun getting that laptop hold. Maybe FedEx will take it.
2017-03-20 08:53:14 PM  
2 votes:

ThatBillmanGuy: Jesus. Why would anyone travel by plane ever? It's getting more ridiculous than it already was. I've probably been charged a fee by American Airlines for typing "travel by plane" in this post.


Visiting another continent by ship would be incredibly time consuming.  My work is fairly generous with vacation time by US standards, but nowhere near THAT generous.
2017-03-20 08:35:35 PM  
2 votes:
Safer and more bigly winninger every day.
MAGA!!!
2017-03-20 07:27:53 PM  
2 votes:
I have to leave Dr. Theopolis at home

vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net
2017-03-21 04:32:36 PM  
1 vote:
This seems like such a trivial inconvenience for laptop-bomber terrorists. Now they'll have change planes on a layover in a non-banned country if they want to detonate in the passenger compartment. Since they strike once every, what, never happened before? They'll inconvience maybe one terrorist by a couple hours once a century, while inconviencing hundreds of millions of non-terrorists every year.
2017-03-21 02:02:19 AM  
1 vote:

ThatBillmanGuy: Jesus. Why would anyone travel by plane ever? It's getting more ridiculous than it already was.


Part of implementing a successful totalitarian regime is convincing the ordinary citizens that they have no good reason to leave the country, or that it would be too much of a hassle.  I imagine most North Koreans say the same thing about air travel.
2017-03-21 12:53:25 AM  
1 vote:

robert byrd non-racist democrat: LessO2: This is reminiscent of the GWB era of keeping people scared.  Whenever something went ugly in politics and Karl Rove needed to keep the base scared, all of a sudden there was a "new threat" and the TSA "needed" to do extra security measures.

Maybe they are enraged over a youtube clip.  Your prophet Barack Hussein Obama PBUH liked to use that one ...........


I always liked B. HUSSEIN Obama, personally.

Well, that and Fartbongo.
2017-03-21 12:35:59 AM  
1 vote:

Camus27: Sum Dum Gai: Damn, glad I was traveling last month and not this one.

If I wasn't allowed to bring my Kindle I would have been a very unhappy camper since at that point I'd already been traveling more than 36 hours without any actual sleep.  Plus I wouldn't trust my camera, even in a camera bag, in my checked luggage.  Good lenses are really expensive.

Someone should invent a way to bring reading material in a non-electronic form with you.


I was out backpacking for two weeks, so the Kindle had the advantages of being lighter and smaller than a comparable amount of books, and I could use it after dark without wasting valuable battery life on my headlamp.
2017-03-20 11:14:19 PM  
1 vote:
I tried to get by the lithium battery thing by having my laptop powered by hamsters on exercise wheels, but now I've got the ASPCA and the TSA giving me a hard time.
2017-03-20 10:35:22 PM  
1 vote:

whatisaidwas: That Guy...From That Show!: BumpInTheNight: Trump's slaughter of the domestic tourism industry will be amusing, as someone mentioned above:  You don't fark with Disney.

Tourism isn't Disney's cash cow, Disney makes far more with products, media, and entertainment.

Disney could shut down Disney World and Disney Land and not even flinch.  They're not about foreign tourism, they're about domestic.

I think the owners of all the half-empty hotels and restaurants in Anaheim and Orlando might have something to say about it.  Convention center booking offices, cab drivers, other them parks, you name it.  I bet we'll see local sales tax revenue evaporating in these places.  Look out for Great Recession 2.0.


And a lot quicker than people thought.
2017-03-20 10:32:37 PM  
1 vote:

That Guy...From That Show!: BumpInTheNight: Trump's slaughter of the domestic tourism industry will be amusing, as someone mentioned above:  You don't fark with Disney.

Tourism isn't Disney's cash cow, Disney makes far more with products, media, and entertainment.

Disney could shut down Disney World and Disney Land and not even flinch.  They're not about foreign tourism, they're about domestic.


I think the owners of all the half-empty hotels and restaurants in Anaheim and Orlando might have something to say about it.  Convention center booking offices, cab drivers, other them parks, you name it.  I bet we'll see local sales tax revenue evaporating in these places.  Look out for Great Recession 2.0.
2017-03-20 10:14:21 PM  
1 vote:

Spikescape: drjekel_mrhyde: Vegas and Disney won't take this stupid shiat on the chin for too long.

Anectotally, I'm seeing the effects. Went on a Disney (California) vacation this past Feb. with the fam. Two years ago, the hotel we stayed at was absolutely packed with huge families visiting from the Emirates, Bahrain, Kuwait, etc. This time, the hotel was at, max, 50% capacity and the room rate was $40/night lower than it had been just in December, when I first booked.

The travel bans along with trickling stories of massive harassment at the border by enabled a-hole CBP agents is having a very noticeable effect on areas previously visited by folks from the ME and Africa. There was supposed to be an African trade summit in socal this week but none of the ~100 African delegates could get an entry visa. None of them; mull that over. The effect has been dramatic and is likely to get worse.


Las Vegas doesn't seem to be hurting... yet. I'm getting nervous, as there are 2 million of us in the county who rely in some way, directly or indirectly, on the tourism industry. I rode out the housing crash but it was a pretty terrible time that we're only now recovered from.
2017-03-20 10:03:35 PM  
1 vote:

RandyJohnson: ThatBillmanGuy: Jesus. Why would anyone travel by plane ever? It's getting more ridiculous than it already was. I've probably been charged a fee by American Airlines for typing "travel by plane" in this post.

I was on the way to the airport to go back home on 9/11. Drove the rental car back home.(1000 miles) Have not flown since.

/Still have the ticket


Please. Like 9/11 is going to happen again.

/well the date 9/11 will happen again, meant the terror attack
2017-03-20 10:01:55 PM  
1 vote:

That Guy...From That Show!: BumpInTheNight: Trump's slaughter of the domestic tourism industry will be amusing, as someone mentioned above:  You don't fark with Disney.

Tourism isn't Disney's cash cow, Disney makes far more with products, media, and entertainment.

Disney could shut down Disney World and Disney Land and not even flinch.  They're not about foreign tourism, they're about domestic.


So basically just accept the inevitable surrender of your personal identity then, the state wins.  Good play.
2017-03-20 09:48:15 PM  
1 vote:

siennaskye: i like how this was a secret order.. that the public - probably american, wasnt supposed to know about it... which we woulda anyways after the 96 hours was up...

also how it only affects non american airlines to and from those countries. i dont even know what to say here....


This. A secret order... which the public will know about the exact first time a passenger is denied a device.

If the logic is a tablet sized device could carry a suitably energetic payload to bring down an aircraft, once (if?) battery tech catches up, a friggin pacemaker will be considered an explosive device.
2017-03-20 09:47:06 PM  
1 vote:

That Guy...From That Show!: Tourism isn't Disney's cash cow, Disney makes far more with products, media, and entertainment.


I don't know, when they open Avatar and Star Wars Land that might not be true.
2017-03-20 09:41:44 PM  
1 vote:

BumpInTheNight: Trump's slaughter of the domestic tourism industry will be amusing, as someone mentioned above:  You don't fark with Disney.


Tourism isn't Disney's cash cow, Disney makes far more with products, media, and entertainment.

Disney could shut down Disney World and Disney Land and not even flinch.  They're not about foreign tourism, they're about domestic.
2017-03-20 09:31:11 PM  
1 vote:

FormlessOne: optikeye: But, allow them in the check luggage?

This is probably the worse place for a potential fire. At least in a cabin you can put it in a fire bag.

Yep. This isn't about "lithium battery safety concerns," though. The real question to ask is "which 13 countries?" See, I'm thinking that there are rather more countries included here than in the two-time loser Trump travel ban, and I'm wondering why...


Brown ones.

12+ Middle East and African airlines flying to U.S. covered new security procedures. -U.S. Official.
2017-03-20 09:23:24 PM  
1 vote:

pendy575: And how will they enforce this exactly on foreign carriers flying from outside the US?


Often, when I travel overseas, there are TSA agents at the jetway, so I go through a check at the security line and then another at the gate as I am boarding the plane. Those checks are typically random with about 1 in 3 or 4 being checked; I am sure that they can change procedure to check everyone.
2017-03-20 09:17:18 PM  
1 vote:

BumpInTheNight: Oh yah, keep enticing me to visit your vile ass-country with benevolent and well-thought out policies like this.


We are trying to keep you out, hello?
2017-03-20 09:13:58 PM  
1 vote:

theToadMan: How doomed is the US tourism industry with all of this?


It's all part of the War on Tourism.
2017-03-20 09:13:55 PM  
1 vote:
And how will they enforce this exactly on foreign carriers flying from outside the US?
2017-03-20 08:44:35 PM  
1 vote:
img.fark.net
2017-03-20 08:41:26 PM  
1 vote:

FormlessOne: optikeye: But, allow them in the check luggage?

This is probably the worse place for a potential fire. At least in a cabin you can put it in a fire bag.

Yep. This isn't about "lithium battery safety concerns," though. The real question to ask is "which 13 countries?" See, I'm thinking that there are rather more countries included here than in the two-time loser Trump travel ban, and I'm wondering why...


Why? They freely admitted there are more majority-Muslim countries than in the travel bans, so... kudos to them for finally learning their names.
 
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