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(Lexington Herald Leader)   Rand Paul predicts that Trumpcare will pass, fail completely, and only then after the complete collapse of the healthcare system will any real negotiations towards healthcare reform begin   ( kentucky.com) divider line
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2017-03-20 04:03:20 PM  
. . .and even then, in the smoldering remains of a healthcare system, with so many people not having insurance, dying of easily treated/prevented diseases, drug prices utterly out of control, and it all being a disaster they'll still be crowing about the glorious "free market", how it will work better if we just deregulate it more and cut taxes even more, and how Single Payer is "communism" and must be avoided so that healthcare can be as profitable as possible.

. . .we can only hope that the survivors vote in enough sane and sensible legislators to let some realistic healthcare reform be enacted.
 
2017-03-20 04:33:41 PM  
The dumbest thing on the big list of dumb things that the "greatest generation" ever did was let lobbyists dupe them out of a national healthcare system in the glory days after World War II.
 
2017-03-20 04:33:51 PM  
Trump just wants to burn it all down says Ryan who then declares that he is different.

Ryan says he wants to burn it all down to but then he wants to sit around and talk about all the great stuff that might be put burnt out lot but will never actually do anything to make it real.

At some point the US is gonna have to get out of the subsidizing big insurance concerns business and switch to something resembling single payer like a real first world country because the US will not be able to afford to do anything else.
 
2017-03-20 04:33:59 PM  
If you guys break the health insurance system, I will not negotiate on ways to "fix" it. I will negotiate on ways to make Medicare for All a reality however.
 
2017-03-20 05:08:22 PM  
FDR wanted a national health care system and he died, Nixon wanted a national healthcare system and he got impeached, Hillary Clinton pushed for a national health care system and her husband got impeached.

Obamacare was imperfect but it was much better than the unfettered fiasco the GOP wants to ram down our throats.
 
2017-03-20 05:09:11 PM  
Single payer, guys. It's the only way a civilized nation can go. It's one of the reasons Canada is number 7 on the world happiness index.
 
2017-03-20 05:23:32 PM  
The major problem with the House plan, Paul said, is...

...that it doesn't screw enough Americans.
 
2017-03-20 05:34:38 PM  
"It's capitalism that will bring down health care costs," he said.

That's probably not the dumbest thing that RAND PAUL has ever said, but it's gotta be up there in the top 10. Corporations have a responsibility to their owners/shareholders to maximize profits. Competition can lead to lower costs for discretionary goods and services, but not for necessities. There's a reason that nearly every state sets price caps on basic food items and heavily regulates things like energy.
 
2017-03-20 06:11:17 PM  
Paul, R-Bowling Green

Hahahahahahaha!
 
2017-03-20 06:13:04 PM  
I see a constitutional amendment in America's future...healthcare is a right, not a commodity.
 
2017-03-20 06:13:10 PM  
Yes, but Rand Paul is always wrong about everything. On those rare occasions when he is right, it's for the wrong reason.
 
2017-03-20 06:14:11 PM  
He said that it will not pass: he predicts it will fail in the House and they can then move to a different bill. He didn't actually claim "this will screw things up but we promise we just have to hit rock bottom before we pass a good healthcare bill."
 
2017-03-20 06:14:50 PM  
Paul, R-Bowling Green

He's a Senator, shouldn't it be R-Kentucky?

Or is this in memory of the Bowling Green Massacre?
 
2017-03-20 06:15:32 PM  
Let's remember that Rand Paul opposes the AHCA because insurance would still be somewhat accessible for poor people.
 
2017-03-20 06:15:45 PM  
That sounds like the Hegelian Dialectic applied to Marxism, we learned in 4th grade. So disappointed the GOP were the ones who adopted post-Stalinist governance.
 
2017-03-20 06:16:25 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: "It's capitalism that will bring down health care costs," he said.

That's probably not the dumbest thing that RAND PAUL has ever said, but it's gotta be up there in the top 10. Corporations have a responsibility to their owners/shareholders to maximize profits. Competition can lead to lower costs for discretionary goods and services, but not for necessities. There's a reason that nearly every state sets price caps on basic food items and heavily regulates things like energy.


Exactly. Health care doesn't follow market forces like most other products.

Demand is essentially inelastic.

When the options are "pay what we tell you to, or die" that isn't really a choice.
 
2017-03-20 06:16:36 PM  
He would also like everyone to know that he's got a car and it sits about 20, so come on and bring your jukebox money.
 
2017-03-20 06:16:36 PM  
We have to pass the bill to find out what it does?
 
2017-03-20 06:16:59 PM  
Makes sense. Trump seems like the kind of guy who is used to being graded on a pass-fail basis.
 
2017-03-20 06:17:16 PM  

Astorix: Nixon wanted a national healthcare system


o_O
 
2017-03-20 06:18:03 PM  
All I'm saying is give guns to cancer patients and let the problem work itself out.
 
2017-03-20 06:19:04 PM  
Kind of what he said about the ACA.
 
2017-03-20 06:19:34 PM  
The fact that a large number of your national politicians are prepared to shrug and say 'worth it' to the idea of countless thousands dying so they can experiment with unfettered capitalism in healthcare is astonishing, and should have you in the streets with torches and pitchforks.

WAKE UP.
 
2017-03-20 06:19:41 PM  
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2017-03-20 06:20:41 PM  
"It's capitalism that will bring down health care costs," he said.

uh guys...it's capitalism that has shot health care costs through the roof, when the choice is pay us or die, people pretty much will pay as much as they can, and if they can't...they die.  and the companies who provide for this can pretty much write a blank check...simple supply and demand.
 
2017-03-20 06:20:44 PM  

gopher321: Astorix: Nixon wanted a national healthcare system

o_O


Why the face?
 
2017-03-20 06:21:17 PM  

gopher321: Astorix: Nixon wanted a national healthcare system

o_O


Link

Basically amped up medicaid. Key bits

The benefits offered by the three plans would be identical for all Americans, regardless of age or income.

There would be no exclusions of coverage based on the nature of the illness. For example, a person with heart disease would qualify for benefits as would a person with kidney disease.

In addition, CHIP would cover treatment for mental illness, alcoholism and drug addiction, whether that treatment were provided in hospitals and physicians' offices or in community based settings.
 
2017-03-20 06:25:46 PM  

Action Replay Nick: The dumbest thing on the big list of dumb things that the "greatest generation" ever did was let lobbyists dupe them out of a national healthcare system in the glory days after World War II.


It was the only way to ensure that the communists died of treatable disease!
 
2017-03-20 06:26:14 PM  
And the farked up thing is that he considers all of that happening to be a good and practical course of action.
 
2017-03-20 06:29:22 PM  
So long as a private, for profit company only interested in the financial aspect, is between the decisions you and your doctor want to make, health care will continue to be farked up.
 
2017-03-20 06:30:10 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: And the farked up thing is that he considers all of that happening to be a good and practical course of action.


I'm not shiateing on libertarians when I say this but it seems to be a theme.  Break it until it's broke and re-fix it after it's obviously and painfully farked.  Of course I don't know when in any process or organization this is a good idea, other than to demonstrate that an extreme solution was the only solution all along because look how broken things get when you take a sledgehammer to them...
 
2017-03-20 06:31:42 PM  
Socialized Medicine is where we are heading. They can make it as painful as possible for us to get there, but it's happening one way or the other. People are not going to continue to stand for healthcare being a LUXURY.
 
2017-03-20 06:33:44 PM  

The Drawing Board: He would also like everyone to know that he's got a car and it sits about 20, so come on and bring your jukebox money.


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2017-03-20 06:34:31 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Socialized Medicine is where we are heading. They can make it as painful as possible for us to get there, but it's happening one way or the other. People are not going to continue to stand for healthcare being a LUXURY.


I'll believe it when I see it. So far there is very little evidence that people will riot in order to get better healthcare access. In fact, the evidence from the last decade is exactly contrary to this.
 
2017-03-20 06:36:12 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: "It's capitalism that will bring down health care costs," he said.

That's probably not the dumbest thing that RAND PAUL has ever said, but it's gotta be up there in the top 10. Corporations have a responsibility to their owners/shareholders to maximize profits. Competition can lead to lower costs for discretionary goods and services, but not for necessities. There's a reason that nearly every state sets price caps on basic food items and heavily regulates things like energy.


Rand Paul is a jackass. * 1234567890
 
2017-03-20 06:39:24 PM  
Rand Paul is a member of a legally protected guild. So he can go fark himself with his free market can't.
 
2017-03-20 06:40:32 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: "It's capitalism that will bring down health care costs," he said.

That's probably not the dumbest thing that RAND PAUL has ever said, but it's gotta be up there in the top 10. Corporations have a responsibility to their owners/shareholders to maximize profits. Competition can lead to lower costs for discretionary goods and services, but not for necessities. There's a reason that nearly every state sets price caps on basic food items and heavily regulates things like energy.


what happens if you say.... get insurance and you get shares?
 
2017-03-20 06:41:14 PM  
And how many thousands will die or permanently damage their health due to lack of proper healthcare in the meantime?
 
2017-03-20 06:45:33 PM  
Health Insurance companies should be illegal. Period.
 
2017-03-20 06:54:33 PM  
I like the bit at the end of the article:

"Senator Paul?  What should I do if I have a pre-existing condition and no one will sell me insurance?"
"Well, sir.  In that case you should go out and buy some insurance."

"It's capitalism that will bring down health care costs," he said.

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When?  When in the history of the entire world has capitalism brought down health care costs?  If you're so sure it'll happen, the you must have at least one farking example, wouldn't you?  Because I've got a couple of decades history from the American capitalistic health care system that didn't once lower costs.
 
2017-03-20 06:55:38 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: "It's capitalism that will bring down health care costs," he said.

That's probably not the dumbest thing that RAND PAUL has ever said


Mainly because what he said immediately prior to that was even stupider.
 
2017-03-20 06:56:58 PM  

Lost Thought 00: gopher321: Astorix: Nixon wanted a national healthcare system

o_O

Link

Basically amped up medicaid. Key bits

The benefits offered by the three plans would be identical for all Americans, regardless of age or income.

There would be no exclusions of coverage based on the nature of the illness. For example, a person with heart disease would qualify for benefits as would a person with kidney disease.

In addition, CHIP would cover treatment for mental illness, alcoholism and drug addiction, whether that treatment were provided in hospitals and physicians' offices or in community based settings.


Hmm. Thought he argued for the HMOs and all that
 
2017-03-20 06:58:03 PM  

Karac: When? When in the history of the entire world has capitalism brought down health care costs?  If you're so sure it'll happen, the you must have at least one farking example, wouldn't you?


Easy.

"As a physician working for Humana, I denied a young man a heart transplant that would have saved his life, and thus caused his death," testified Dr. Peeno. "No person or group has held me accountable for this, because, in fact, what I did was I saved a company a half a million dollars."

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2002/february/humana_medical_revie.php

What did I win?
 
2017-03-20 07:00:15 PM  

nijika: Satanic_Hamster: And the farked up thing is that he considers all of that happening to be a good and practical course of action.

I'm not shiateing on libertarians when I say this but it seems to be a theme.  Break it until it's broke and re-fix it after it's obviously and painfully farked.  Of course I don't know when in any process or organization this is a good idea, other than to demonstrate that an extreme solution was the only solution all along because look how broken things get when you take a sledgehammer to them...


Among Silicon Valley Libertarians (and many venture capitalists), the buzzword is "disruption".  If you can break the establishment in such a way that you can turn a profit, you win.
 
2017-03-20 07:01:30 PM  

lennavan: Karac: When? When in the history of the entire world has capitalism brought down health care costs?  If you're so sure it'll happen, the you must have at least one farking example, wouldn't you?

Easy.

"As a physician working for Humana, I denied a young man a heart transplant that would have saved his life, and thus caused his death," testified Dr. Peeno. "No person or group has held me accountable for this, because, in fact, what I did was I saved a company a half a million dollars."

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2002/february/humana_medical_revie.php

What did I win?


Did the health insurance company pass that savings onto its surviving members?
 
2017-03-20 07:02:28 PM  

anfrind: lennavan: Karac: When? When in the history of the entire world has capitalism brought down health care costs?  If you're so sure it'll happen, the you must have at least one farking example, wouldn't you?

Easy.

"As a physician working for Humana, I denied a young man a heart transplant that would have saved his life, and thus caused his death," testified Dr. Peeno. "No person or group has held me accountable for this, because, in fact, what I did was I saved a company a half a million dollars."

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2002/february/humana_medical_revie.php

What did I win?

Did the health insurance company pass that savings onto its surviving members?


Of course they di...

Dr. Peeno recalls that shortly after denying the patient their heart transplant, a gigantic piece of sculpture was purchased for Humana's headquarters - costing about the same amount as the heart transplant she had denied.

f*ck
 
2017-03-20 07:04:10 PM  
Until health insurance is as "good" as dental insurance, the GOP won't be happy.
 
2017-03-20 07:04:27 PM  

quatchi: Trump just wants to burn it all down says Ryanand who then declares that he is different.

Ryan Rand Paul says he wants to burn it all down to but then he wants to sit around and talk about all the great stuff that might be put burnt out lot but will never actually do anything to make it real.

At some point the US is gonna have to get out of the subsidizing big insurance concerns business and switch to something resembling single payer like a real first world country because the US will not be able to afford to do anything else.


FTFM.

In my defence I am very sleepy.
 
2017-03-20 07:04:31 PM  

Action Replay Nick: The dumbest thing on the big list of dumb things that the "greatest generation" ever did was let lobbyists dupe them out of a national healthcare system in the glory days after World War II.


Hush.  Don't you know everything bad is the fault of Baby Boomers?  I know it's true because some guy said so in a book.
 
2017-03-20 07:07:26 PM  

Epic Fap Session: Until health insurance is as "good" as dental insurance, the GOP won't be happy.


You know some bright boy at an insurance company creamed himself so hard his pants blew out the farking window when he came up with the idea of not counting eyes and teeth as part of "health" insurance.
 
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