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2017-03-20 12:18:39 PM  
This show will go in the 'guilty pleasure' filing cabinet.  It's entertaining when you can just shut your brain off and watch it, but it's definitely not going to win any awards.

/On episode 8
 
2017-03-20 12:27:41 PM  
I haven't even started yet
 
2017-03-20 12:40:33 PM  
K, I binge watched the first 10 the first night and finished up the last three ASAP.

I lurved it. Warts and all. Warts first.

Opening credits were meh but all of the Netflicks Defender openers are kinda meh.

Still pissed they farked with the origin thing and the final moments with mom and dad were hackneyed and repeated far often.

There were holes in the plot you could sail a tanker through.

That all noted it was nice to get a good kung fu show on the air. I was one of that generation of kids who grew up in the 70s never really knowing about martial arts until Bruce Lee hit the big screen and then I was nuts for those movies. Still am, really. So naturally as a comic reading kid I gravitated towards IF. When he and Luke Cage teamed up as Heroes for Hire I continued to follow the comics cos in the 70s the every idea of bullet proof black man had a special resonance and interesting political ramifications even to a skinny white Canadian kid.

Using Madam Gao and Claire to interconnect all the characters with many references to DD and JJ and LC was a good idear.

Liked the Colleen Wing character and thought Bakuto was interesting as well.

The Meachum clan are a pretty interesting albeit deeply dysfunctional family who are a lot of fun to watch dissolve.

Now the stage is finally set for the Defenders. A TV DC version of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Bring it ...is my point here.
 
2017-03-20 12:45:04 PM  
4 episodes in and it is enjoyable

I was not very familiar with the comic although I was more so with Cage and Daredevil
 
2017-03-20 12:45:07 PM  
I trudged through episode 1 (spoiler-free summary: "Can we talk?", "I don't want to talk", "I just want to talk", "Maybe we should talk?", and at least twice "we already talked this out"; also there's a festival in Chinatown because of course there is).

Does it get any better? Do they at least play it for laughs that Danny spent 15 years in a Tibetan monastery and dojo, and now thinks that all of Asian culture is just like that?
 
2017-03-20 01:02:44 PM  
The plot line is pretty good, but the acting is wooden and cliche'd. Lou Ferigno's emoting was more genuine.
 
2017-03-20 01:05:56 PM  
You can admit it's bad and like it anyway. That's fine.
 
2017-03-20 01:11:13 PM  
Audience score is always high because people feel they need to counter the critics.

That said, didn't care for it. I personally found it worse than the second half of Daredevil season 2. I'll try to avoid spoilers, but my thoughts:

The fights, when they did happen, were good. Very reminiscent of old kung fu movies. They definitely struck a fine tone to differentiate themselves from the combat in Daredevil and Luke Cage. My big problem was that no one seemed to have a consistent motivation for doing anything. It felt like they had different writers between each episode and they only passed summaries of the previous episode to eachother.

There's a lot of sudden plot escalations that seem to make no sense, like the Meachum vendetta against Danny that comes and goes at any given time, or the series of twists that come up near the end. The whole story seems very schizophrenic as it tries to tell it's own story, tie-in with the other Marvel netflix series (without mentioning the other characters by name for some reason), and then set up both a sequel and a lead into Defenders. It's got too many balls to juggle and the characters are in no way strong enough to support any of them.
 
2017-03-20 01:26:30 PM  
How does it compare to Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Daredevil?

No, those show were not of equal quality.
 
2017-03-20 01:27:10 PM  
The first Transformers movie got an 85 percent from audiences, so I'm not sure what subby is crowing about.
 
2017-03-20 01:28:24 PM  
I'm 5 episodes in and I'm enjoying it.  What is wrong with a superhero show that features punching bad guys?

The motivations are tenuous? Who cares he just punched through a wall.

The plot is silly? He just shattered a hatchet with his fist, it's not exactly serious intellectual cinema
 
2017-03-20 01:28:31 PM  
No spoilers here.

I'm only 7 episodes in. It started off rather different than the other Netflix Marvel series. And it seems rushed and overly cliched so far. I watched the first 5 episodes before the decided to get involved and I started over. The first five episodes made much more sense on the second viewing, and I realized this show is better than I thought upon the first viewing. It's probably their weakest offering so far (while I loved Luke Cage, it was certainly anticlimactic compared to everything else so far, and I'm thinking Iron Fist may end up even more so from what I've seen). But where I'm at is starting to pick up.

Also, anyone named Ward in Marvel's MCU is just a dick.

/maybe that changes
 
2017-03-20 01:30:05 PM  
We're like 8 episodes in.  Is it Daredevil S1? No.  Is it a passable slow-burner that's clearly doing a lot of building and set-up for the Defenders stuff?  So far, yes.

Is the "Ward's an addict" subplot dragging things down?  Yes.  This could have been much tighter, for sure.
 
2017-03-20 01:31:37 PM  
Crouching box office, hidden profits, ancient Chinese secret, huh?
 
2017-03-20 01:36:12 PM  
Is it better or worse than Luke Cage?  I watched the first 6 episodes of Luke Cage before giving up on it.

The 2nd season of Daredevil was the best of the Marvel shows, followed by Jessica Jones.  Can't wait for the Punisher and season 2 of JJ.
 
2017-03-20 01:41:21 PM  

Johnny Rockets: Is it better or worse than Luke Cage?  I watched the first 6 episodes of Luke Cage before giving up on it.


Way to get out at the right time.  The back half of that season was a disaster.
 
2017-03-20 01:41:57 PM  
10 episodes in and here's my thoughts.
I'm enjoying it so far but have some complaints. First off, Danny isn't Batman. We don't need to revisit his parents death every episode, I don't know why they changed it from Danny's dad drags the family off to their death but Danny survives and completes the goal. Second this changing of his origin really changes his character I feel, he already is so similar to Daredevil as far as abilities, they should have kept his character lighter and more calm to set them apart. Third if you don't have the budget to have him fight the dragon, have it animated for the opening credits, instead of just random martial arts and paint. I would gladly watch him fight the dragon 13 times. Lastly after having watched the RZA's episode I wish they would have made him the show runner, it would be way more over the top Kung fu which is what I was hoping to get.
 
2017-03-20 01:42:06 PM  
RT's TV scores are bs. Almost everything scores 100.  So an 86 for IF is like a 45 for movies.
 
2017-03-20 01:42:32 PM  
I thought it was ok and would place it in the 80% range. Not the best out of the Marvel shows out there. Would say it was my least favorite but still an ok show and worth the cost of Netflix. Certainly there is much worse out there on TV.
 
2017-03-20 01:42:37 PM  

Johnny Rockets: Is it better or worse than Luke Cage?  I watched the first 6 episodes of Luke Cage before giving up on it.

The 2nd season of Daredevil was the best of the Marvel shows, followed by Jessica Jones.  Can't wait for the Punisher and season 2 of JJ.


It's people like you what cause unrest.

/I thought S2 of DD was cheesy and boring as fark whenever Frank Castle and/or Karen weren't on screen
//But I do agree that JJ was good
///Stop liking things I don't like
 
2017-03-20 01:42:42 PM  

czetie: I trudged through episode 1 (spoiler-free summary: "Can we talk?", "I don't want to talk", "I just want to talk", "Maybe we should talk?", and at least twice "we already talked this out"; also there's a festival in Chinatown because of course there is).

Does it get any better? Do they at least play it for laughs that Danny spent 15 years in a Tibetan monastery and dojo, and now thinks that all of Asian culture is just like that?


I just finished the second episode last night and it finally started to pick up a bit in the last 20 minutes or so.

They could have easily condensed the first two episodes into one and not lost a thing. Guess they were getting paid by quantity.
 
2017-03-20 01:44:18 PM  
6 episodes in, and it's not terrible. Action is great, and most of the cast is strong. Flinn sucks as Danny, but I honestly can't think of anyone else who would be great given the role (sheltered, whiny rich kid who also started from scratch and became a mystical kung fu warrior in only 15 years). I still think they should have dropped either Jessica Jones or Iron Fist and substituted a stand-alone Punisher and Kingpin, especially after season 2 of Daredevil, but Iron Fist is still far better than anything on network television right now (Agents of Shield, The Flash, Arrow).
 
2017-03-20 01:45:44 PM  
And for all the debate about whether or not they should have cast an Asian or a Caucasian, they should have worried more about casting someone who actually can preform martial arts, not just cut to a stunt guy I think that would have added a lot to the show.
 
2017-03-20 01:50:21 PM  
I'm looking forward to it.

Luke Cage SPOILERS*******

I liked Luke Cage.  Then halfway through the series they just switch antagonists!!  That was jarring to me.  I would have preferred to see Cottonmouth through the end.
 
2017-03-20 01:51:59 PM  
I'm about eight in and have to say it's an entertaining watch. That said, the first two or so episodes are an excruciatingly slow burn. After that though it picks up and has held my attention. I even skipped last nights live tv shows because I kept pressing play on the next episode.
 
2017-03-20 01:53:24 PM  

capn' fun: Flinn sucks as Danny, but I honestly can't think of anyone else who would be great given the role (sheltered, whiny rich kid who also started from scratch and became a mystical kung fu warrior in only 15 years).


I think he does a great job of being the sheltered rich kid without making the audience utterly hate him.

Overall, the show was pretty good.  It's not Daredevil, but certainly on par with Jones and Cage.
 
2017-03-20 01:55:10 PM  
Yeah I'm digging it so far
 
2017-03-20 01:55:25 PM  

DMZ DEATH: I'm about eight in and have to say it's an entertaining watch. That said, the first two or so episodes are an excruciatingly slow burn. After that though it picks up and has held my attention. I even skipped last nights live tv shows because I kept pressing play on the next episode.


This is accurate.  It's a slow burn for 2 or 3 episodes, then picks up pretty well by about 4.
 
2017-03-20 01:57:51 PM  
Come for the door-punching, stay for Madame Gao. It was a fun series, and better IMO than the Daredevil/Electra storyline. Not as good as Luke Cage or Jessica Jones, but not as bad as the critics said.  I think they just went in with different expectations for it.

It is all just backstory for Defenders, anyway.
 
2017-03-20 01:58:17 PM  
I really enjoyed it, but it's no Legion.

Best supporting cast of any Netflix-Marvel, but that's because the supporting characters have been built up in other shows.   Madam Gao is awesome.  Jeryn Hogarth is awesome.  Claire Temple remains awesome.

Anything more and I risk spoiler territory.
 
2017-03-20 02:00:29 PM  
They should have done:

Some Spoilers:


First four episodes: life of young Danny and the Rand/Meechum dyanmics ending at the plane crash and being discovered by monks. Training youth to young adult, Dragon, coming to America.

That should have been the opening.

Next episode should have been coming back to Rand, there should have been no father meechum plot. Ward should have filled that role, it would also have made the addiction plot more palatable. (Think Gao recognizes the IF and tells Ward to recognize Danny Rand.

Then it could have been fish out of water and discovering things are not as they seem with the sister, tying the pier in and showing the sister to be part of the problems.

Danny discovers the Hands presence

Danny investigates the Hands presence.

Danny farks up confronting the hand because he didn't see Ward and Joy as being part of the problem.

Danny mends and thing spiral

Last three taking down Ward and Joy and riding Rand of the Hand. But really it could have been one or two episodes.
 
2017-03-20 02:01:49 PM  
We finished it yesterday and liked it.  Maybe it was a case of lowered expectations because of all the bad reviews, but while there were things I didn't love there wasn't anything going on that exasperated me like the annoying twin in JJ or the repeated attempts to make it look like Matt and Karen had chemistry in DD 2.

I think the biggest weakness is in the lack of an interesting villain.  The Meachums are soap opera fodder and anything else I say would be a spoiler.  There wasn't a Kingpin, Purple Man, or Cottonmouth around to stir shiat up.
 
2017-03-20 02:02:36 PM  
It was a decent show. Daredevil, Luke Cage and Jessica Jones were better.
 
2017-03-20 02:03:29 PM  
My opinion, for what little it's worth, and in context:

I can barely remember what happened in DD2, I had to "push through" it because it was dull, and I don't remember how it ends.  I couldn't finish Luke Cage because it was so boring.  I'm now annoyed that I have to because I'm clearly missing something interesting in Clare's storyline.

Luke Cage was probably technically "better" - better shot, better lit, far better acted.  But I enjoyed IF much more, after it had slogged through the first few set up episodes.  I was actually interested in seeing where the story was going, I actually wanted to see the next episode.  There was proper character development.

What I can say is that if you're not sure if you're going to watch it, but intend to watch Defenders, you probably should, because it heavily advances the Hand storyline that presumably come up again.

/Danny is annoying as fark though
//But that's because I hate hippy dippy "love and peace" dipshiats
 
2017-03-20 02:04:49 PM  
I'm only up to episode 2, but I'm digging it so far.  The action has been pretty cool.  He hasn't done anything particularly Iron Fist-y yet, but I haven't been able to watch more yet.  Will try tonight.
 
2017-03-20 02:04:58 PM  
I'll never trust audience scores. Too many idiots in the mix, not to mention the bias inherent in going to a website specifically to rate something.
 
2017-03-20 02:07:09 PM  
I liked it so far, up to episode 3 now.

The main complaint from the early reviews that concerned me is just bogus - heard a lot about the fight scenes being wooden or stiff or whatever.  But they showed off some pretty cool moves, a variety of styles, and the main actor generally looked believable doing it all.
 
2017-03-20 02:11:38 PM  
I think that the series' biggest problem is that it's not as good as the rest.

It's not bad. It could be better. But, it's not bad. It just has NONE of the moments where your jaw drops like Daredevil. It doesn't have the moments of real contemplation of evil and its effects on folks like Jessica Jones. It has nothing of the sense of purpose and place that Luke Cage had.

It's not  a bad show, but folks were expecting better, and thus, when disappointed a bit, they project that ire back on the project itself. Taken for what it is, it's not a bad show. It's just not an amazing show, and folks were kind of expecting that after two amazing seasons with Daredevil, and Jessica Jones redefining tropes, and Luke Cage being what it was as well. All three of the other series were great, and Iron Fist is...OK.

And the critics felt they could FINALLY unload on a Marvel series without gaining anyone's ire.

 
2017-03-20 02:12:17 PM  
Binged over the weekend and pretty much in agreement with most of the thread's feelings.

I did like that we got to see more of The Hand develop outside of the pajama-warrior goobers and that Claire was more involved.

Would watch Night Nurse and Heroes for Hire series.
 
2017-03-20 02:13:21 PM  
I'm up to episode 10, I think, so I haven't finished it yet.  So far it's better than Luke Cage at keeping me interested.  A bit light on action and more "drama" in regards to relationships but... overall, I like it.  /could be because Colleen is very attractive
 
2017-03-20 02:15:02 PM  

Keyser_Soze_Death: It was a decent show. Daredevil, Luke Cage and Jessica Jones were better.


This.

Also, fun drinking game. Take a shot every time someone says iron fist.
 
2017-03-20 02:15:55 PM  
10 episodes in, it's enjoyable enough, love Claire.

I'd rank them:
DD S2 (I loved the Punisher...don't understand the hate)
DD S1 (only below S2 because of the slow start...but they are almost equal)
Luke Cage
Iron Fist (so far, might move up a slot in the final 3 eps)
Jessica Jones

Sorry, I don't get the love for JJ - it seemed like the slowest start of all, she hardly ever used her strength, the "victim hood" drug on too long (series would have been tighter 2-3 episodes shorter).  Her story doesn't really feed into the overall Defender's arc...I had lots of issues with her.
 
2017-03-20 02:15:57 PM  

skyotter: I really enjoyed it, but it's no Legion.

Best supporting cast of any Netflix-Marvel, but that's because the supporting characters have been built up in other shows.   Madam Gao is awesome.  Jeryn Hogarth is awesome.  Claire Temple remains awesome.

Anything more and I risk spoiler territory.


Legion is amazing, and only FX could have pulled it off on network television. That being said, the only reason I have any idea of what's going on is that I already knew the character beforehand-I've recommended it to several people and they simply don't have any idea what the hell is going on until I walk them through the character's backstory, etc. Awesome show, but not doing a good job with the origin piece.
 
2017-03-20 02:17:31 PM  
ANYTHING with Netflix and Marvel on will get high scores no matter how shiatty it is.
/This goes for IFC also
 
2017-03-20 02:18:28 PM  

smd31: could be because Colleen is very attractive


Oh yeah, that too.  Damn.
 
2017-03-20 02:22:15 PM  

buntz: I'm looking forward to it.

Luke Cage SPOILERS*******

I liked Luke Cage.  Then halfway through the series they just switch antagonists!!  That was jarring to me.  I would have preferred to see Cottonmouth through the end.


They also switched from a nuanced character who seemed like he had some depth (and had a future academy award winner playing him) to a one note bellowing buffoon who seemed like he parachuted in from a subpar shaft episode
 
2017-03-20 02:22:31 PM  

swahnhennessy: I'll never trust audience scores. Too many idiots in the mix, not to mention the bias inherent in going to a website specifically to rate something.


Still better than critic scores - the people who are paid to be professional provocateurs in order to gain readership.  Sure, there are idiots in the mix, but you get a better sense of entertainment quality than you get from a critic.

drjekel_mrhyde: ANYTHING with Netflix and Marvel on will get high scores no matter how shiatty it is.
/This goes for IFC also


When they do a series that sucks, then we'll know.  They've done a damned good job on all of the Netflix/Marvel collaborations so far.  When a shiatty one comes up, I'm sure the geek world will let you know.
 
2017-03-20 02:22:55 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Lou Ferigno's emoting was more genuine.


Hey man... Lou was able to do at least one emotion perfectly.

img.fark.net
 
2017-03-20 02:24:03 PM  
The user score is alwayssubstantially higher than the critics score. It means nothing.
 
2017-03-20 02:27:10 PM  
I'm on episode 9 and Danny bugs me. In private he's mister zen master quoting scripture and verse, then in public he's a raving lunatic.

Ward's acting is at least good, and has kept me interested while he tries to keep his composure through eveything. Colleen is easy on the eyes, but like Danny, the script has her changing her mind minute to minute and going against her established character. It's a bunch of Drama for Drama's sake. It seems like every character is written to go against their established traits constantly almost like the writers had no idea of their motivations but had to progress the whole story. There's little consistency to the characters driving forces.

This is about as good as a Stephen J. Cannell production from the 80's: he has to show the Iron Fist once per episode ala Bruce Banner hulking out once or twice an episode in the Bill Bixby show. The directing isn't that great (even the one directed by RZA), the fight choreography is subpar compared to DD, and all in all, it's just getting the character established for The Defenders.

Hell, even in the opening credits the CGI fighter doesn't even have the same haircut or build as the actor. It seems thrown together as an afterthought because they didn't have a lead picked out yet.

I'd give it a C- so far, knowing is Jay something to get the character out there fir the big group show.

I'll take more DD any day of the week instead of this show.
 
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