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2017-03-20 12:42:46 PM  
Actually... that is brilliant!
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2017-03-20 01:27:42 PM  
Self driving cars will have an unfair advantage.
 
2017-03-20 02:48:07 PM  
Instead of the jurisdictions that currently mine that cash flow?
Ya shure, you betcha ya dumb ass.
 
2017-03-20 03:53:12 PM  
Sure. You have a 1 in a trillion chance of winning money if you follow the speed limit. But my odds of having fun blasting down the highway at triple-digit speeds are much, much greater.
 
2017-03-20 05:53:29 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Self driving cars will have an unfair advantage.


And they'll spend the money on stupid shiat instead of cocaine.
 
2017-03-20 05:53:48 PM  
"The idea? Put a speed monitor on a busy highway. But instead of simply ticketing the fastest drivers, the monitor would capture an image of the license plates of the drivers who obey the speed limit, then enter them into a lottery."

So now we are creating a database of the people who are obeying the law?
 
2017-03-20 05:59:07 PM  

HoratioGates: "The idea? Put a speed monitor on a busy highway. But instead of simply ticketing the fastest drivers, the monitor would capture an image of the license plates of the drivers who obey the speed limit, then enter them into a lottery."

So now we are creating a database of the people who are obeying the law?


They were doing it before.
 
2017-03-20 05:59:07 PM  
HoratioGates:
So now we are creating a database of the people who are obeying the law?

Pretty sure there's already a database somewhere containing all registered drivers.
 
2017-03-20 05:59:26 PM  

HoratioGates: So now we are creating a database of the people who are obeying the law?


It sure as hell has to be easier than creating a database of those who aren't.
 
2017-03-20 05:59:55 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Self driving cars will have an unfair advantage.


Not really, they're easier to knock out of the competition.
 
2017-03-20 06:00:53 PM  
By SARAH NETTER
Dec. 8, 2010

A story so old it's new again.
 
2017-03-20 06:02:25 PM  
Result of implementing this?  Major traffic jams right before the speed monitors, followed by reckless pursuit of top speed just after.
 
2017-03-20 06:03:14 PM  
I like the Dutch idea i read about years ago.  Topless women holding speed limit signs and urging motorists to slow down.   Maybe not the most effective, but that-of course-is not the point.
 
zez
2017-03-20 06:03:57 PM  
 
2017-03-20 06:04:34 PM  
Yeah, that'll work

img.fark.net
 
2017-03-20 06:04:50 PM  
I swear I am the only person who drives the absolute speed limit +/- 1-2 mph at all times without extenuating circumstances. I feel like the square guy from Dragnet.
 
2017-03-20 06:05:33 PM  
Finally, I can get my money back from Sammy Hagar.
 
2017-03-20 06:07:34 PM  

daRog: By SARAH NETTER
Dec. 8, 2010

A story so old it's new again.


 
2017-03-20 06:07:53 PM  

eKonk: Result of implementing this?  Major traffic jams right before the speed monitors, followed by reckless pursuit of top speed just after.


Especially due to all those compulsive gamblers with the "the more you play the more you win" mentality.
 
2017-03-20 06:10:03 PM  
But if we give ticket money to the citizens, how can we afford our toys?

img.fark.net
 
2017-03-20 06:10:20 PM  

cyberspacedout: Finally, I can get my money back from Sammy Hagar.


You too, huh?
www.dafont.com
 
2017-03-20 06:13:11 PM  
All you need to do is get in your car and drive, the more the merrier. The more miles you drive the better chance of winning. Hire a baby sitter, ditch poker night, abandon choir practice, that meth lab refit can wait, tell the mistress to be patient -- anything to congest the roadways even more with attention whores out to make a buck.
 
2017-03-20 06:15:57 PM  

JNowe: HoratioGates:
So now we are creating a database of the people who are obeying the law?

Pretty sure there's already a database somewhere containing all registered drivers.


In some cities they even have time-stamped gps coordinates for every driver at any given time. Neat huh
 
2017-03-20 06:19:24 PM  
Why not put the money into high speed roads that can handle traffic at that rate?
You know... like the autobahn?
No?
Yeah, your way is better, Ms Taggart.
 
2017-03-20 06:21:09 PM  
So they want to track the movements of law abiding citizens without a warrant and without probable cause... in the name of entering them into a lottery?
 
2017-03-20 06:23:01 PM  
I'm OK with using the door on crotch rockets splitting lanes.
Ought to be drones just for those specific organ donors.
 
2017-03-20 06:28:32 PM  
No need for lotteries, I get a payback every time I fill up.
 
Since I got my GLK 250 Bluetec diesel three years ago, I've undergone a bit of a transformation. With this ridiculously economical SUV, the real fun challenge is to beat my previous low fuel consumption. My self-imposed rule is that I cannot become a moving traffic chicane, which means doing at least the speed limit, but usually more. So far I've managed to average 5,4L/100KM (45mpg in US gallons/52mpg in real gallons) on a 130km night run from Québec's Eastern Townships. As a bonus, the last time I renewed my driver's license was the first time since I started driving in the 1970s that I had no extra charges because of accumulated demerit points

My Honda Valkyrie motorcycle uses more fuel than my SUV...
 
2017-03-20 06:28:48 PM  
My city tried this many years ago. If the police saw you do something 'good' like yield to a pedestrian, drive in a safe manner or whatever, they'd pull up behind you, hit the lights, pull you over and give you a free movie ticket.

It was cancelled because people hated the feeling of fear that raced through you when you saw lights flashing behind you. Not cool. Lasted about a month before the police gave up due to complaints.
 
2017-03-20 06:32:39 PM  

HoratioGates: "The idea? Put a speed monitor on a busy highway. But instead of simply ticketing the fastest drivers, the monitor would capture an image of the license plates of the drivers who obey the speed limit, then enter them into a lottery."

So now we are creating a database of the people who are obeying the law?


Traffic cameras are already doing this. When you're out and about you have no privacy.
 
2017-03-20 06:33:40 PM  
Won't happen, it's not about $afety.
 
2017-03-20 06:41:49 PM  
How about we raise the speed limits to a level that actually represents what a large percentile of the population actually drives, and then crack down on far more dangerous behaviors (tailgating, distracted driving, failing to signal).

That way

1. Left lane sitters feel justified sitting in the #1 lane because they're "doing the speed limit".

2. People won't suddenly start driving nervously and unnaturally the second a police vehicle gets on the freeway.

// Here's a snippet from the CALTRANS freeway monitor.
// these are the average speeds across a 5 lane freeway.
// The speed limit on this stretch is 65 mph
// Once people pass the truck scales/checkpoint (read, heavy police presence) ... the average speed jumps up to 70+

img.fark.net
 
2017-03-20 06:44:45 PM  

berylman: I swear I am the only person who drives the absolute speed limit +/- 1-2 mph at all times without extenuating circumstances. I feel like the square guy from Dragnet.


+1-2 MPH is violating the law, so you just only like to violate the law in the 1-10mph range (depending on your state) like pretty much everyone else.  That's why cops ask people if they knew how fast they were going because they will lie and say its some smaller number but still over the limit and admit guilt on the spot.

Anyway this plan sound like it was submitted by RedFlex.
 
2017-03-20 06:45:12 PM  
^won't feel justified
 
2017-03-20 06:47:02 PM  

lordargent: How about we raise the speed limits to a level that actually represents what a large percentile of the population actually drives, and then crack down on far more dangerous behaviors (tailgating, distracted driving, failing to signal).

That way

1. Left lane sitters feel justified sitting in the #1 lane because they're "doing the speed limit".

2. People won't suddenly start driving nervously and unnaturally the second a police vehicle gets on the freeway.

// Here's a snippet from the CALTRANS freeway monitor.
// these are the average speeds across a 5 lane freeway.
// The speed limit on this stretch is 65 mph
// Once people pass the truck scales/checkpoint (read, heavy police presence) ... the average speed jumps up to 70+

[img.fark.net image 241x209]


So much this.  Look at Montana where the speed limits are crazy, almost everyone self regulates.
 
2017-03-20 06:50:12 PM  
Hey, let's give speeding ticket money to folks who obey the speed limit. BRILLIANT

I'll drink and drive to that idea!
 
2017-03-20 06:52:51 PM  
Meh, I never win anything.  I like the article below it better -
'Park Like an A**hole'? Website Is Watching You
 
2017-03-20 06:56:50 PM  
^ I also have a sneaking suspicion that the sensor data is capped at 75mph (there's just too many times I see strings of '75' in a row for it to be a natural occurrence.

I just took a quick sample and sorted in decreasing average speed.

img.fark.net

64 sensors total
13 sensors report 75 mph avg (20%)
10 sensors report 66-74 mph avg (15%)
35 sensors show 0-65 mph avg (54%)
6 sensors show no data (9%)

// also, 35% of the sensors are showing an average speed that's above the speed limit.
 
2017-03-20 06:57:09 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Sure. You have a 1 in a trillion chance of winning money if you follow the speed limit. But my odds of having fun blasting down the highway at triple-digit speeds are much, much greater.


Depends on how much the winnings are and how far I'm going.  If it's down the block to the store, sure I'll do it for a chance to earn money.  If I have 30 + minute commute and I can shave 5+ minutes off I'll be spending.
 
2017-03-20 07:09:53 PM  
If the city doesn't get paid, tickets will dwindle to almost zero.
 
2017-03-20 07:10:53 PM  

berylman: I swear I am the only person who drives the absolute speed limit +/- 1-2 mph at all times without extenuating circumstances. I feel like the square guy from Dragnet.


No, the streets are loaded with assholes like you around here (northern VA)

/I keep
//kinda
///three for the throttle
 
2017-03-20 07:13:01 PM  

Cosmic Cowboy: berylman: I swear I am the only person who drives the absolute speed limit +/- 1-2 mph at all times without extenuating circumstances. I feel like the square guy from Dragnet.

No, the streets are loaded with assholes like you around here (northern VA)

/I keep
//kinda
///three for the throttle


Dammit - I meant "I keed"
/Posting while driving
//Not really
 
2017-03-20 07:16:11 PM  

Cosmic Cowboy: No, the streets are loaded with assholes like you around here (northern VA)


No, it's cool and I get it and get honked at sometimes.  And yes I will speed up just to keep the flow of traffic on pace.
 
2017-03-20 07:17:35 PM  

eKonk: Result of implementing this?  Major traffic jams right before the speed monitors, followed by reckless pursuit of top speed just after.


Thats how it is around here already without the winning money aspect.  Not really traffic jams but everybody does slow down for 10 seconds.
 
2017-03-20 07:18:04 PM  

HoratioGates: "The idea? Put a speed monitor on a busy highway. But instead of simply ticketing the fastest drivers, the monitor would capture an image of the license plates of the drivers who obey the speed limit, then enter them into a lottery."

So now we are creating a database of the people who are obeying the law?


Yup, only took 6 posts.  Glad to see that Americans are still pants-wettingly scared of the Big Bad Gubmint. Never change, folks, you're too adorable as you are.
 
2017-03-20 07:38:09 PM  

JNowe: HoratioGates:
So now we are creating a database of the people who are obeying the law?

Pretty sure there's already a database somewhere containing all registered drivers.


We do, but we aren't supposed to keep a database of where they are at any given time (although in practice we do, since most cop cars scan plates pretty regularly and EZPass gives you away on toll roads.)

Highroller48: Yup, only took 6 posts.  Glad to see that Americans are still pants-wettingly scared of the Big Bad Gubmint. Never change, folks, you're too adorable as you are.


This government?  Yes.  Yes I am.
 
2017-03-20 07:43:32 PM  

berylman: Cosmic Cowboy: No, the streets are loaded with assholes like you around here (northern VA)

No, it's cool and I get it and get honked at sometimes.  And yes I will speed up just to keep the flow of traffic on pace.


How thoughtful of you.

1. Traffic that is moving at the same general speed = very, very safe driving conditions
2. Traffic that is moving at different speeds, but those speeds are segregated within lanes such that vehicles within a lane are all moving at the same general speed = safe driving conditions (but not very, very safe)
3.Traffic that is moving at different speeds AND those speeds are scattered across the lanes (meaning some jackwad is sitting up front "doing the speed limit" in the passing lane), causing all the reasonable and safe drivers to have to pass on the wrong side = needlessly unsafe driving conditions because some martyr feels the need to play law enforcer, causing anger and rage for dozens of drivers caught in their wake.

If everybody is driving the same speed due to an artificial restraint, like a cop in the median, a "safety" camera or some other hindrance such that everybody is all bunched up nose-to-tail, that is far from safe driving conditions. If everybody is driving the same speed because the speed limit, the road conditions and all other factors cooperate to let everybody drive at a speed where everybody is comfortable driving at that speed, speeds go up, space between vehicles drastically increases and safety is at its highest possible level.

/set speed limits at 85th percentile not at what makes the most dough-ray-meee
//if you aren't passing stay the fark out of the passing lane
///don't drive the interstate/autobahn/motorway if high speeds scare you
 
2017-03-20 07:43:53 PM  
Another plus, drivers driving the speed limit can cheer on the speeders instead of cursing them.  Although, I've gotten to where it's like the lottery just watching them get pulled over after they shoot pass me.  About the same odds.

Now, what to do about the drivers going well below the speed limit, like ≥10 under the limit?  Something nonviolent like what pops in my head.  Ranging from yelling to ramming them off the road.  I don't do those things, but my inner voice keeps making good points for them.
 
2017-03-20 07:54:32 PM  
Everybody slows down for speed cameras then speeds again as soon as they're out of sight. They're a tax on non-commuters that don't know where the cameras are. They will probably end up giving that money to the speeders.
 
2017-03-20 08:05:15 PM  
I came here to suggest the idea implied by JNowe: Rather than use this as an excuse to track people's movements (or what might be perceived that way), just set the recipient pool as the set of people with vehicles registered in the state minus the set of people whose DMV records reflect convictions for speeding (and/or, perhaps, for other moving violations that they want to discourage) with offense dates within the relevant time frame and award it to one or more persons chosen randomly from that set.
 
2017-03-20 08:08:35 PM  

drtgb: My city tried this many years ago. If the police saw you do something 'good' like yield to a pedestrian, drive in a safe manner or whatever, they'd pull up behind you, hit the lights, pull you over and give you a free movie ticket.

It was cancelled because people hated the feeling of fear that raced through you when you saw lights flashing behind you. Not cool. Lasted about a month before the police gave up due to complaints.


Driver: OH FARK I'M ALREADY BARELY ON TIME AND NOW I'M GETTING PULLED OVER WHICH WILL MAKE ME OFFICIALLY LATE AND THE FINE WILL COST ME AT LEAST A HUNDRED BUCKS AND I'LL GET MY LATE ASS CHEWED OUT BY MY BOSS AND WHAT IF THE COP DECIDES TO SEARCH MY CAR AND FINDS THE JOINT I JUST REMEMBERED HAS BEEN BEHIND THE PASSENGER SUN VISOR FOR FOUR YEARS

Cop: Sir, I am pleased to tell you that you have won an eleven dollar prize!

Driver: you just made me late and nearly gave me a heart attack. FARK your movie ticket!

I wouldn't want the movie ticket in this scenario - I'd want to stop getting pulled over and delayed from going where I actually want to be.
 
2017-03-20 08:09:10 PM  

berylman: I swear I am the only person who drives the absolute speed limit +/- 1-2 mph at all times without extenuating circumstances. I feel like the square guy from Dragnet.


Keep to the right and we are all friends.
 
2017-03-20 08:13:06 PM  

TorpedoOrca: JNowe: HoratioGates:
So now we are creating a database of the people who are obeying the law?

Pretty sure there's already a database somewhere containing all registered drivers.

In some cities they even have time-stamped gps coordinates for every driver at any given time. Neat huh


Did you know that nothing will grow in the soil around those cities?
 
2017-03-20 08:23:36 PM  

Salmon: Marcus Aurelius: Self driving cars will have an unfair advantage.

And they'll spend the money on stupid shiat instead of cocaine.


What about 1/8 of shrooms and 10 grams of weed, set to a psychedelic rock/trance soundtrack?
 
2017-03-20 08:30:20 PM  

Fano: Keep to the right and we are all friends.

Yes, indeed.
 
2017-03-20 08:48:29 PM  
The only people who obey the speed limit are drunks, people with no license/insurance, people with outstanding warrants, and people with trunks full of drugs.
 
2017-03-20 08:55:39 PM  
This is actually simpler. All revenue collected by the locality is distributed evenly to any driver without a ticket.

Won't be a lot of money but police now have no incentive to bother their citizens all day.
 
2017-03-20 09:05:01 PM  

Mister Peejay: The only people who obey the speed limit are drunks, people with no license/insurance, people with outstanding warrants, and people with trunks full of drugs.

Hey now, you forgot people who those who wank it to the DMV handbook. ok that was tmi
 
2017-03-20 09:43:57 PM  
Charge a little more for speeding tickets that goes to the lottery and the counties will get behind it for sure.  So long as they still get their share, gamifying driving the speed limit is a great farking idea that appeals to the basest of human brain stuff.  Way more than the risk of a ticket, that is for sure.
 
2017-03-20 09:48:29 PM  

capt.hollister: HoratioGates: "The idea? Put a speed monitor on a busy highway. But instead of simply ticketing the fastest drivers, the monitor would capture an image of the license plates of the drivers who obey the speed limit, then enter them into a lottery."

So now we are creating a database of the people who are obeying the law?

Traffic cameras are already doing this. When you're out and about you have no privacy.


I hit smartest to skim the thread and saw that post and wanted to add this.  Every time your license plate is registered on a camera, it is in some database somewhere.  Thanks war on terror!
They don't do shiat with the data, but it is there, along with all of the facial recognition software running on security cameras.  The legwork is all there for the surveillance state, they just don't have the manpower to act on it.  They have the storage capacity, see also the NSA data warehouse in Utah.
 
2017-03-20 10:48:48 PM  
This would never work in Los Angeles, where it's impossible to reach a speed even approaching the limit.
 
2017-03-20 10:57:41 PM  

0z79: Salmon: Marcus Aurelius: Self driving cars will have an unfair advantage.

And they'll spend the money on stupid shiat instead of cocaine.

What about 1/8 of shrooms and 10 grams of weed, set to a psychedelic rock/trance soundtrack?


that would be cool though too, but I'll bet the cars are more straight edge than that.
 
2017-03-21 01:21:36 AM  

Mister Peejay: The only people who obey the speed limit are drunks, people with no license/insurance, people with outstanding warrants, and people with trunks full of drugs.


I can tell you definitively, from first hand knowledge, that this is incorrect.

Drunks THINK they are holding the speed limit but really tend to slow down and speed up a lot while driving. Their speed on a graph would look like a sound wave.

People with licence, insurance or warrant issues tend to only modify their driving when they suspect there's a cop nearby, and they will take extra turns of their route to avoid the attention of that cop. Last-second right turn decisions are actually a key indicator.  So is a male 18-40 driving a vehicle registered to a woman. Sexist, but statistically valid.

A large number of drivers diligently follow speed limits within a very few mph for no other reason than its the law.  There are also those (like me, to be honest) who know that even photo radar won't tag you at 5-7mph (8-10km) over unless it's a school zone. We tend to make good use of that cushion.

Want to know some REAL tricks to avoiding tickets?  Okay.
-Don't be the fastest car in a pack.
-Avoid the left lane...It's the first one looked at by the guy with the laser as to crest the hill.
-Keep your speed within the lowest violation threshold.  In most provinces that's anything less than 10 mph or 16 km over.  The smaller ticket isn't usually worth it.
-Slow down at night.  Especially outside the city, its the statistically most dangerous time to speed, so the tolerance is lower.
-Dont tailgate or lane-hop. Aggression such as filling up the mirrors of the slowpoke in front of you draws attention to you and very quickly evaporates any chance of a warning.
-Use your cruise control. Any time I'm on a freeway or highway, even in the city, I use it to help me avoid fluctuations in my speed.

Finally, theost important piece of advice: NEVER pay a ticket outright. Always plead not guilty, request Discovery and a trial.  Even if you're caught dead to rights you have a fair chance the officer will either be unavailable for court or the prosecution will offer a reduced charge with a smaller fine on the day of the hearing. (Recently I got one reduced from a proper speeding ticket down to a photo radar charge. Less money, no demerits and doesn't impact my insurance. Just by showing up.) If you can spare the time off work, it is almost always going to at least save you SOME money.

Happy driving!
 
2017-03-21 04:20:41 AM  
Funny how non-drivers are getting to avoid this scheme, isn't it?

Something to hide? Maybe there should be a database for them.
 
2017-03-21 07:46:51 AM  
Highroller48:
-Keep your speed within the lowest violation threshold.  In most provinces that's anything less than 10 mph or 16 km over.  The smaller ticket isn't usually worth it.

That threshold exists mostly because it falls within the error range of most car speedometers. Speedometers are not precision instruments.

I generally agree with the rest of your post. On the highway, if I'm in a hurry, I set the cruise control at exactly 118km/h which is the unofficial speed limit in Québec, but most of the time it's at 110km/h which is a speed guaranteed not to attract any attention while returning amazing fuel consumption. That's still 10km/h over the posted speed limit.  

 
2017-03-21 08:34:19 AM  

capt.hollister: Highroller48:
-Keep your speed within the lowest violation threshold.  In most provinces that's anything less than 10 mph or 16 km over.  The smaller ticket isn't usually worth it.

That threshold exists mostly because it falls within the error range of most car speedometers. Speedometers are not precision instruments.


Hmm.

That's a bit misleading, because inaccurate speedometers aren't usually an actual defense.  You're required to keep your car in good repair.  That's why there isn't any legal "allowance" for speeding...One of the most common urban myths of them all.

Just like many crimes have degrees, so does speeding in most places, and for the same reasons
 
2017-03-21 10:28:54 AM  

HoratioGates: JNowe: HoratioGates:
So now we are creating a database of the people who are obeying the law?

Pretty sure there's already a database somewhere containing all registered drivers.

We do, but we aren't supposed to keep a database of where they are at any given time (although in practice we do, since most cop cars scan plates pretty regularly and EZPass gives you away on toll roads.)


We wouldn't necessarily need to track anybody.  Like SlowTimedRapid mentioned above, the lottery pool could be the registered drivers list - those with violations.
 
2017-03-21 10:36:48 AM  

SkittleBrau: berylman: Cosmic Cowboy: No, the streets are loaded with assholes like you around here (northern VA)

No, it's cool and I get it and get honked at sometimes.  And yes I will speed up just to keep the flow of traffic on pace.

How thoughtful of you.

1. Traffic that is moving at the same general speed = very, very safe driving conditions
2. Traffic that is moving at different speeds, but those speeds are segregated within lanes such that vehicles within a lane are all moving at the same general speed = safe driving conditions (but not very, very safe)
3.Traffic that is moving at different speeds AND those speeds are scattered across the lanes (meaning some jackwad is sitting up front "doing the speed limit" in the passing lane), causing all the reasonable and safe drivers to have to pass on the wrong side = needlessly unsafe driving conditions because some martyr feels the need to play law enforcer, causing anger and rage for dozens of drivers caught in their wake.

If everybody is driving the same speed due to an artificial restraint, like a cop in the median, a "safety" camera or some other hindrance such that everybody is all bunched up nose-to-tail, that is far from safe driving conditions. If everybody is driving the same speed because the speed limit, the road conditions and all other factors cooperate to let everybody drive at a speed where everybody is comfortable driving at that speed, speeds go up, space between vehicles drastically increases and safety is at its highest possible level.

/set speed limits at 85th percentile not at what makes the most dough-ray-meee
//if you aren't passing stay the fark out of the passing lane
///don't drive the interstate/autobahn/motorway if high speeds scare you


General Rule is never fight a battle on two fronts.
To make progress with old, broken, technologically out of date, cash cow traffic laws you are gonna need to divide and conquer the phony "safety as stupid as stupid allows" Lobby from the "every moron gets a license" Lobby. The money is just too sweet.
 
2017-03-21 07:28:58 PM  

vudukungfu: I'm OK with using the door on crotch rockets splitting lanes.


Not ok. NOT OK.
 
2017-03-21 09:02:31 PM  

ISO15693: vudukungfu: I'm OK with using the door on crotch rockets splitting lanes.

Not ok. NOT OK.


Agreed.  That's what spiked rims are for.
 
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