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(Screen Rant)   How the long awaited rematch between Obi-Wan and Darth Maul on Star Wars Rebels was "beyond a lightsaber fight" (major spoilers from latest episode)   ( screenrant.com) divider line
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2017-03-20 02:12:37 PM  
My (mostly spoiler free) 2¢:
I think the interaction between Obi Wan and Ezra is way more interesting than the battle with Maul.  Certainly leading to way more questions...  Obi Wan's first line "You're in the wrong place, Ezra Bridger."  And later "[Maul] lead you here, where you should never have been.."  Obi Wan's got some 'splainin to do..
Maybe he's been keeping up with Yoda as they both master Qui-Gon's projection and life after death trick?  Are the writers setting Ezra up to be the famous "Other" that Yoda was talking about with Obi Wan in ESB?  Ezra being pretty force gifted, way more so than Leia, and about the same age in a post Order 66 galaxy and all.  Yoda has already interacted with Ezra in the Temple on Lothal twice, while Luke is still stuck on the farm with no clue of his potential for another maybe 4 or 5 years from this episode.
 
2017-03-20 02:54:09 PM  
I thought the discussion between Obi Wan and Ezra was excellent--that galaxy is filling in nicely. And the duel between Maul and Obi Wan was top tier on several levels: the move Maul used to kill Quai Gon failed spectacularly, Obi Wan's move was so perfectly Kurosawa, and we see the growth of a Jedi master in the way Kenobi holds Maul. Brilliant.
 
2017-03-20 03:42:37 PM  
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2017-03-20 05:56:43 PM  

BalugaJoe: [img.fark.net image 750x745]


I always thought it was considerate of him to turn his lightsaber off as he vanished, instead of letting it burn through the floors "Alien blood" style, all the way to the core.
 
2017-03-20 06:05:21 PM  
Poor Maul.

Still thought he was in the prequels.
 
2017-03-20 06:07:20 PM  
That duel was the Star Wars equivalent of Goldberg/Lesnar at last year's Survivor Series, and I loved it. :D
 
2017-03-20 06:09:40 PM  

skyotter: BalugaJoe: [img.fark.net image 750x745]

I always thought it was considerate of him to turn his lightsaber off as he vanished, instead of letting it burn through the floors "Alien blood" style, all the way to the core.

Aren't lightsaber blades basically the wielder's own Force energy channeled through the Force crystals in the blade? In other words, when not actually held by the wielder, the blade energy quickly dissipates?
 
2017-03-20 06:11:02 PM  

BalugaJoe: [img.fark.net image 750x745]


That lightsaber will make a hell of a racket in the dryer.
 
2017-03-20 06:12:59 PM  
***SPOILER***


I wasn't exactly sure how Obi Wan killed him though?  He cut the saber in half but did it slice down his chest and we just didn't see it?
 
2017-03-20 06:16:41 PM  

COMALite J: skyotter: BalugaJoe: [img.fark.net image 750x745]

I always thought it was considerate of him to turn his lightsaber off as he vanished, instead of letting it burn through the floors "Alien blood" style, all the way to the core.
Aren't lightsaber blades basically the wielder's own Force energy channeled through the Force crystals in the blade? In other words, when not actually held by the wielder, the blade energy quickly dissipates?


I always thought there was a pressure plate on them, but I could be wrong.

sno man: My (mostly spoiler free) 2¢:
I think the interaction between Obi Wan and Ezra is way more interesting than the battle with Maul.  Certainly leading to way more questions...  Obi Wan's first line "You're in the wrong place, Ezra Bridger."  And later "[Maul] lead you here, where you should never have been.."  Obi Wan's got some 'splainin to do..
Maybe he's been keeping up with Yoda as they both master Qui-Gon's projection and life after death trick?  Are the writers setting Ezra up to be the famous "Other" that Yoda was talking about with Obi Wan in ESB?  Ezra being pretty force gifted, way more so than Leia, and about the same age in a post Order 66 galaxy and all.  Yoda has already interacted with Ezra in the Temple on Lothal twice, while Luke is still stuck on the farm with no clue of his potential for another maybe 4 or 5 years from this episode.


It certainly proves he knows what has been going on outside of Tatooine. Not sure why, but I have feeling this could all feed into an Obi-Wan movie.
 
2017-03-20 06:24:12 PM  

Snapper Carr: Poor Maul.

Still thought he was in the prequels.


He was. Rebels is set between the prequels and the original trilogy.
 
2017-03-20 06:24:32 PM  

Darth Maul's Lament
by Peter David ― first published July 2, 1999, in his "But I Digress..." column in Comics Buyers Guide
(Slight alterations by yours truly)

♪♫ Yes-ter-day, ♫♪
♫♪ Both my low-er limbs were | here to stay. ♪♫
♪♫ Now it looks as though they're | far a-way, ♫♪
♫♪ Oh, | I be-lieve in | Yes-ter-day. ♪♫

♪♫ Sud-den-ly, ♫♪
♫♪ I'm just half the man I | used to be. ♪♫
♪♫ T'was a Jedi dang-ling | un-der me, ♫♪
♫♪ But the | ta-bles turned so | sud-den-ly, ♪♫

♪♫ Why― he― sliced me so, ♫♪
♫♪ I don't know, he did-n't say. ♪♫
♪♫ I― killed― | ol' Qui-Gon, ♫♪
♫♪ Now I | long for Yes-ter-|-day-ay-ay-ay― ♪♫

♪♫ Yes-ter-day, ♫♪
♫♪ I could run and dance and | walk and play. ♪♫
♪♫ Now I need a cart to | get a-way, ♫♪
♫♪ Oh, | I be-lieve in | Yes-ter-day. ♪♫
♪♫ (Hum last line slowly.) ♫♪
The Day After Episode I.
 
2017-03-20 06:26:13 PM  

COMALite J: skyotter: BalugaJoe: [img.fark.net image 750x745]

I always thought it was considerate of him to turn his lightsaber off as he vanished, instead of letting it burn through the floors "Alien blood" style, all the way to the core.
Aren't lightsaber blades basically the wielder's own Force energy channeled through the Force crystals in the blade? In other words, when not actually held by the wielder, the blade energy quickly dissipates?


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Han Chopped First.
 
2017-03-20 06:26:36 PM  

buntz: ***SPOILER***


I wasn't exactly sure how Obi Wan killed him though?  He cut the saber in half but did it slice down his chest and we just didn't see it?


I'd pvr'd it, watched that bit three times. I think that's the idea, but it's not even a little clear from the animation.
 
2017-03-20 06:35:24 PM  

buntz: ***SPOILER***

I wasn't exactly sure how Obi Wan killed him though?  He cut the saber in half but did it slice down his chest and we just didn't see it?


Pretty sure it was a strike to the heart. I tried to slow-mo through the fight, but it didn't really help. It seems like they realized it's still a Disney cartoon and they played it safe - I just wonder if it was by producer choice or by network order.

COMALite J: Aren't lightsaber blades basically the wielder's own Force energy channeled through the Force crystals in the blade? In other words, when not actually held by the wielder, the blade energy quickly dissipates?


It seems like anyone can wield one with the same skill as anyone could use an edged sword. Han had no problem using the Skywalker saber to make Luke an emergency sleeping bag, and we have no idea if Finn has any level of Force sensitivity when he fought with that same blade twice. I'm pretty sure we've also seen droids ignite lightsaber blades.

Force-sensitive individuals simply have the precognition and reflexes to do things like anticipate attacks and to deflect blaster bolts.

August11: I thought the discussion between Obi Wan and Ezra was excellent--that galaxy is filling in nicely. And the duel between Maul and Obi Wan was top tier on several levels: the move Maul used to kill Quai Gon failed spectacularly, Obi Wan's move was so perfectly Kurosawa, and we see the growth of a Jedi master in the way Kenobi holds Maul. Brilliant.


I've long complained about the forced integration of Clone Wars plots into Rebels, but this episode was magnificent. In every possible way, the character we saw on Tatooine was, in every way, the Obi-Wan Kenobi from the original films. And not making it a prolonged or dramatic duel? A perfect and decisive conclusion to a slow-burning plot.
 
jvl [BareFark]
2017-03-20 06:51:06 PM  
Knowing that the cartoon has resurrected a completely and unambiguously dead guy from the prequels really makes me never want to watch it. So, that's one less thing for my queue. No, don't explain the retcon I don't care about stupid convoluted justifications. This shouldn't be like comic books where death just means an exciting new explanation for a dead guy coming back to life every month.
 
2017-03-20 07:00:07 PM  

Darth Macho: COMALite J: skyotter: BalugaJoe: [img.fark.net image 750x745]

I always thought it was considerate of him to turn his lightsaber off as he vanished, instead of letting it burn through the floors "Alien blood" style, all the way to the core.
Aren't lightsaber blades basically the wielder's own Force energy channeled through the Force crystals in the blade? In other words, when not actually held by the wielder, the blade energy quickly dissipates?

[img.fark.net image 500x213]

Han Chopped First.


We've also seen people throw lightsabers a number of times and they don't go out.
 
2017-03-20 07:02:30 PM  

jvl: Knowing that the cartoon has resurrected a completely and unambiguously dead guy from the prequels really makes me never want to watch it. So, that's one less thing for my queue. No, don't explain the retcon I don't care about stupid convoluted justifications. This shouldn't be like comic books where death just means an exciting new explanation for a dead guy coming back to life every month.


Well, he's been alive on the animated shows for close to a decade now, so this wasn't just them bringing him back for no reason. It was ending his story.
 
2017-03-20 07:05:36 PM  

jvl: Knowing that the cartoon has resurrected a completely and unambiguously dead guy from the prequels really makes me never want to watch it. So, that's one less thing for my queue. No, don't explain the retcon I don't care about stupid convoluted justifications. This shouldn't be like comic books where death just means an exciting new explanation for a dead guy coming back to life every month.


Um...The Clone Wars series dealt with Maul, and his resurgence, his new legs, and that whole mess. Take it up with them. Rebels is off that continuity. This isn't exactly new. He had a couple of arcs in The Clone Wars series--including him taking a new apprentice. And I think that they dealt with his revival pretty well, including the tortured part of things, with the Witches of Dathomir. They were solid arcs.

The Clone Wars and the subsequent Rebels series are some of the strongest writing for the entire franchise. And their explorations into the role of Clone Troopers, Jedi, the various Force users, who go way beyond just Jedi and Sith, were tight. From a failed Clone Trooper who saves his brothers, to a Jedi who falls into the fog of war and has to be taken out by his own troops, to Maul's sad tale, to Asokha's journey from Padawan to Jedi. You're going to short-change yourself on a great series if you have that attitude, especially since The Clone Wars is pretty much canon.
 
2017-03-20 07:20:32 PM  

jvl: Knowing that the cartoon has resurrected a completely and unambiguously dead guy from the prequels really makes me never want to watch it. So, that's one less thing for my queue. No, don't explain the retcon I don't care about stupid convoluted justifications. This shouldn't be like comic books where death just means an exciting new explanation for a dead guy coming back to life every month.


I haven't been able to make it through more than five episodes of Clone Wars, but like to watch Rebels with my kids. When Maul showed up one episode, I was confused but then remembered seeing some "Return of Maul" cartoon on the DVD rack near a Target checkout lane a few years ago. My daughter asked if that was the guy who was cut in half, and all I could do was shrug and say "he got better."

Was it stupid, given the ending of Phantom Menace? Of course it was. Deeply so. But even a bad idea can occasionally be executed well.
 
2017-03-20 07:28:44 PM  

sno man: buntz: ***SPOILER***


I wasn't exactly sure how Obi Wan killed him though?  He cut the saber in half but did it slice down his chest and we just didn't see it?

I'd pvr'd it, watched that bit three times. I think that's the idea, but it's not even a little clear from the animation.


Did neither of you see his sternum smoking after he fell?

It went like this:

SPOILERS!

Obi-Wan gets into his normal Form III stance, but then changes to his old master's stance (form IV).  Maul sees this, and stupidly believes this gives him an advantage (because overconfidence, revenge, blinded by hate, yada yada yada).  and when they start, he goes for the exact same attack that killed Qui-Gon. Two strikes, which get blocked, followed by a blow to the face with the lightsaber hilt. Only Obi-Wan was bluffing, and wasn't using Qui-Gon's style at all. He'd also seen this move before and had a few decades to burn it into his brain, so when Maul went for the blow to the face, Obi-Wan stepped back calmly using his form IV style and then brought his lightsaber cleanly down between the two blades, right at the weakest point of the hilt, allowing the tip of his blade to slice through Maul's sternum in the same stroke.

At the middle of his stroke, his blade was deepest, but even at the top of the slice he cut through Maul's chest, and at the bottom he was going through his abdomen. If the blade hadn't cauterized as it cut, he would have disemboweled Maul.

Watch the slow-motion in FULL screen. When Maul falls, you can see the smoke rising from him.



This is one of the most amazing lightsaber duels so far. It has so much history, so much going on in that short battle, and it shows exactly why Obi-Wan was known as the greatest master of form III. The simplicity of his movements, the concise action... Nothing's wasted. This isn't Obi-Wan from the prequel era; This is Obi-Wan with a clear goal, and at one with the force.
 
2017-03-20 07:35:51 PM  

WilderKWight: Obi-Wan stepped back calmly using his form IV style


Sorry. Typo. That should be Form III.
 
2017-03-20 07:39:05 PM  

WilderKWight: Watch the slow-motion in FULL screen. When Maul falls, you can see the smoke rising from him.


Although it should be noted you see it better in the scene following that, when they're talking.
 
2017-03-20 07:44:01 PM  

clkeagle: jvl: Knowing that the cartoon has resurrected a completely and unambiguously dead guy from the prequels really makes me never want to watch it. So, that's one less thing for my queue. No, don't explain the retcon I don't care about stupid convoluted justifications. This shouldn't be like comic books where death just means an exciting new explanation for a dead guy coming back to life every month.

I haven't been able to make it through more than five episodes of Clone Wars, but like to watch Rebels with my kids. When Maul showed up one episode, I was confused but then remembered seeing some "Return of Maul" cartoon on the DVD rack near a Target checkout lane a few years ago. My daughter asked if that was the guy who was cut in half, and all I could do was shrug and say "he got better."

Was it stupid, given the ending of Phantom Menace? Of course it was. Deeply so. But even a bad idea can occasionally be executed well.


Clone Wars helped me reconcile all three Prequels, and Rebels has been like the apology for RotS all by itself. Hell there is even a CW episode that almost makes JarJar palatable. YMMV, but give them both a try. Seriously, most of the best writing in the Canon-verse.
 
2017-03-20 08:03:19 PM  

sno man: clkeagle: jvl: Knowing that the cartoon has resurrected a completely and unambiguously dead guy from the prequels really makes me never want to watch it. So, that's one less thing for my queue. No, don't explain the retcon I don't care about stupid convoluted justifications. This shouldn't be like comic books where death just means an exciting new explanation for a dead guy coming back to life every month.

I haven't been able to make it through more than five episodes of Clone Wars, but like to watch Rebels with my kids. When Maul showed up one episode, I was confused but then remembered seeing some "Return of Maul" cartoon on the DVD rack near a Target checkout lane a few years ago. My daughter asked if that was the guy who was cut in half, and all I could do was shrug and say "he got better."

Was it stupid, given the ending of Phantom Menace? Of course it was. Deeply so. But even a bad idea can occasionally be executed well.

Clone Wars helped me reconcile all three Prequels, and Rebels has been like the apology for RotS all by itself. Hell there is even a CW episode that almost makes JarJar palatable. YMMV, but give them both a try. Seriously, most of the best writing in the Canon-verse.



I just want to add my voice and say that all this is true. The Clone Wars is a lot of what the prequels should have been, and has made them better by extension.

Yes, there are some juvenile episodes of The Clone Wars (the first season, especially the pilot/movie, are the biggest culprits) but there are also some amazingly well-written, deep, moving episodes that do very good things for Star Wars in general.

Even the way they brought Maul back was done with some class and thought. It's not like he sprung up from death completely whole and ready to go... There was a lot of development there. He was a broken man. He went insane. Losing half of his body drove him to embrace his anger even more, to remain powerful in the force.

And why is it so hard to believe that he could survive? Jeez, Anakin survived having his legs cut off, and sliding into molten lava, and then catching on fire across his ENTIRE BODY. He suffered FIFTH and SIXTH degree burns-- It penetrated muscle and burned his BONES. He was in surgery for days, going through amputations, skin grafts, and ultimately having a large portion of his body replaced with cybernetics.

So Maul being bisected and losing his legs, reproductive system, and excretory system seems tame in comparison.

Or let's talk about Grievous, who was just a BRAIN and a HEART in a robotic exoskeleton. Or the B'Omarr Order who were just brains in jars that used spider-droid walkers to get around (you saw them in Return of the Jedi, in Jabba's palace, which was formerly their monastery until Jabba moved in and just took over, allowing them to wander around because he thought they were entertainingly gruesome).

So don't talk to me about how ridiculous it is that Maul didn't die. If anything, Star Wars has made it clear that where there's a will to live, there's often a way for that to happen despite horrific physical damage.

Maul died on Rebels because he was old, he was nearly bisected AGAIN (this time vertically), and because in the middle of nowhere there's not exactly an Imperial surgical center or 2-1B medical droid around to do the job of saving your life.
 
2017-03-20 08:56:18 PM  

WilderKWight: sno man: clkeagle: jvl: Knowing that the cartoon has resurrected a completely and unambiguously dead guy from the prequels really makes me never want to watch it. So, that's one less thing for my queue. No, don't explain the retcon I don't care about stupid convoluted justifications. This shouldn't be like comic books where death just means an exciting new explanation for a dead guy coming back to life every month.

I haven't been able to make it through more than five episodes of Clone Wars, but like to watch Rebels with my kids. When Maul showed up one episode, I was confused but then remembered seeing some "Return of Maul" cartoon on the DVD rack near a Target checkout lane a few years ago. My daughter asked if that was the guy who was cut in half, and all I could do was shrug and say "he got better."

Was it stupid, given the ending of Phantom Menace? Of course it was. Deeply so. But even a bad idea can occasionally be executed well.

Clone Wars helped me reconcile all three Prequels, and Rebels has been like the apology for RotS all by itself. Hell there is even a CW episode that almost makes JarJar palatable. YMMV, but give them both a try. Seriously, most of the best writing in the Canon-verse.


I just want to add my voice and say that all this is true. The Clone Wars is a lot of what the prequels should have been, and has made them better by extension.

Yes, there are some juvenile episodes of The Clone Wars (the first season, especially the pilot/movie, are the biggest culprits) but there are also some amazingly well-written, deep, moving episodes that do very good things for Star Wars in general.

Even the way they brought Maul back was done with some class and thought. It's not like he sprung up from death completely whole and ready to go... There was a lot of development there. He was a broken man. He went insane. Losing half of his body drove him to embrace his anger even more, to remain powerful in the force.

And why is it so hard to believe that he could survive? Jeez, Anakin survived having his legs cut off, and sliding into molten lava, and then catching on fire across his ENTIRE BODY. He suffered FIFTH and SIXTH degree burns-- It penetrated muscle and burned his BONES. He was in surgery for days, going through amputations, skin grafts, and ultimately having a large portion of his body replaced with cybernetics.

So Maul being bisected and losing his legs, reproductive system, and excretory system seems tame in comparison.

Or let's talk about Grievous, who was just a BRAIN and a HEART in a robotic exoskeleton. Or the B'Omarr Order who were just brains in jars that used spider-droid walkers to get around (you saw them in Return of the Jedi, in Jabba's palace, which was formerly their monastery until Jabba moved in and just took over, allowing them to wander around because he thought they were entertainingly gruesome).

So don't talk to me about how ridiculous it is that Maul didn't die. If anything, Star Wars has made it clear that where there's a will to live, there's often a way for that to happen despite horrific physical damage.

Maul died on Rebels because he was old, he was nearly bisected AGAIN (this time vertically), and because in the middle of nowhere there's not exactly an Imperial surgical center or 2-1B medical droid around to do the job of saving your life.


Also, to be fair I'm not sure if we know enough about Maul's anatomy to know if being cut in half is as bad for his species as it would be for humans.
 
2017-03-20 09:27:37 PM  

August11: Obi Wan's move was so perfectly Kurosawa,


Very much so; as that was the style of the swordplay in episode 4.

And as a guy who absolutely hated the flashy, spin-y, twirly, drum major-ish crap in the prequels, it was spectacularly satisfying to see one of "those" swordfights get shut down in 3 seconds. Although I'm sure character continuity was the reason for preserving Obi-Wan's fighting style, I'd love to believe that the short duration of the fight was due in part to a couple of the show runners were making unspoken commentary regarding the absurdity of what lightsaber fights have become. Probably not, but still, fantastic scene.
 
2017-03-20 09:42:07 PM  
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!
 
2017-03-20 11:03:04 PM  
"I'm cut in half pretty bad"
 
2017-03-20 11:30:34 PM  
Obi-Wan Kenobi - trained mastery of the Force and his lightsaber technique in exiled solitude over the course of seventeen years.  Focused himself to become One with the Living Force as taught to him by ghost Qui-Gon and Yoda.  His lightsaber, an extension of the Force, an extension of his own will.

VS.

Maul - a fallen Sith, hell-bent on revenge for nearly thirty years.  Thriving on the dark side, his anger and aggression while being replaced with cyborg legs on two occasions.  Finding and training his brother only to see him cut down by a far more experienced Sith, Darth Sidious who continued to torture him after the duel, extending him to be his silent assassin and to watch as his own mother was gruesomely cut down by Grievous.  He sought the power of the Sith Temple on Malachor to offer insight to his revenge against Kenobi via the Sith Holocron (possibly Darth Treia), and in an act of selfish motivation, was bested by the more patient and skilled Jedi Master on Tatooine.

On top of ending the fate of a sad, troubled character, it also revealed who truly is the Chosen One - Luke Skywalker.
 
2017-03-20 11:31:30 PM  
Typo - Darth Traya.
 
2017-03-21 12:28:51 AM  

WilderKWight: sno man: buntz: ***SPOILER***


I wasn't exactly sure how Obi Wan killed him though?  He cut the saber in half but did it slice down his chest and we just didn't see it?

I'd pvr'd it, watched that bit three times. I think that's the idea, but it's not even a little clear from the animation.

Did neither of you see his sternum smoking after he fell?

It went like this:

SPOILERS!

Obi-Wan gets into his normal Form III stance, but then changes to his old master's stance (form IV).  Maul sees this, and stupidly believes this gives him an advantage (because overconfidence, revenge, blinded by hate, yada yada yada).  and when they start, he goes for the exact same attack that killed Qui-Gon. Two strikes, which get blocked, followed by a blow to the face with the lightsaber hilt. Only Obi-Wan was bluffing, and wasn't using Qui-Gon's style at all. He'd also seen this move before and had a few decades to burn it into his brain, so when Maul went for the blow to the face, Obi-Wan stepped back calmly using his form IV style and then brought his lightsaber cleanly down between the two blades, right at the weakest point of the hilt, allowing the tip of his blade to slice through Maul's sternum in the same stroke.

At the middle of his stroke, his blade was deepest, but even at the top of the slice he cut through Maul's chest, and at the bottom he was going through his abdomen. If the blade hadn't cauterized as it cut, he would have disemboweled Maul.

Watch the slow-motion in FULL screen. When Maul falls, you can see the smoke rising from him.

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/IoV9FQsBYWg - 480x270]

This is one of the most amazing lightsaber duels so far. It has so much history, so much going on in that short battle, and it shows exactly why Obi-Wan was known as the greatest master of form III. The simplicity of his movements, the concise action... Nothing's wasted. This isn't Obi-Wan from the prequel era; This is Obi-Wan with a clear goal, and at one with the force.


Obi-Wan earned himself a Bad Motherfarker wallet in that fight.
 
2017-03-21 12:41:54 AM  

SithLord: On top of ending the fate of a sad, troubled character, it also revealed who truly is the Chosen One - Luke Skywalker.


Wookiepedia is saying that, specifically, Obi-Wan believes (and mistakenly so) that Luke is the Chosen One, because at that point he is completely convinced that Anakin is irredeemable. They're still sticking to the idea that all through the OT, Obi-Wan was convinced that Anakin was truly "dead" and beyond bringing back to the light, but that Luke was able to bring Anakin back and Anakin was then able to fulfill his destiny as the Chosen One.

So it's still actually Anakin, but from Obi-Wan's perspective, throughout the OT, it was Luke.

I actually like this theory. First of all, it plays into Obi-Wan's whole "you'll find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view" stance. Second, it explains why Obi-Wan was willing to die to save Luke on the Death Star; He faced Vader to keep Vader's attention focused on his old master, and to distract him from the powerful force-sensitive SON that was on the Death Star, too. He died because he truly believed that Luke was the Chosen One and was therefore more important to the galaxy than just about anyone else at that point.

And in a way, you could say Luke was the chosen one from a certain point of view. When faced with the choice between Palpatine and Luke in the throne room, Vader chose Luke... Making Luke the actual "chosen" one. It was Vader choosing Luke that brought about the end of the Sith.

The Force has funny ways of getting things done, I guess, and Obi-Wan was right about one thing: It really does depend on your specific point of view.
 
2017-03-21 12:46:09 AM  

LectertheChef: Obi-Wan earned himself a Bad Motherfarker wallet in that fight.


It must have fallen out of Mace's pocket when he landed at ground level on Coruscant.
 
2017-03-21 10:06:35 AM  

hubiestubert: to Asokha's journey from Padawan to Jedi.


"I am no Jedi." [Charges hubiesstubert with two lightsabers]
 
2017-03-21 10:51:42 AM  

SithLord: Obi-Wan Kenobi - trained mastery of the Force and his lightsaber technique in exiled solitude over the course of seventeen years.  Focused himself to become One with the Living Force as taught to him by ghost Qui-Gon and Yoda.  His lightsaber, an extension of the Force, an extension of his own will.

VS.

Maul - a fallen Sith, hell-bent on revenge for nearly thirty years.  Thriving on the dark side, his anger and aggression while being replaced with cyborg legs on two occasions.  Finding and training his brother only to see him cut down by a far more experienced Sith, Darth Sidious who continued to torture him after the duel, extending him to be his silent assassin and to watch as his own mother was gruesomely cut down by Grievous.  He sought the power of the Sith Temple on Malachor to offer insight to his revenge against Kenobi via the Sith Holocron (possibly Darth Treia), and in an act of selfish motivation, was bested by the more patient and skilled Jedi Master on Tatooine.

On top of ending the fate of a sad, troubled character, it also revealed who truly is the Chosen One - Luke Skywalker.


also... Maul was wander around the Dune Sea for days-weeks without proper survival equipment, while Obi Won was fully equipped...so I think ObiWon had a bit of an edge there as well.

so far as people asking how light sabers are supposed to work...its not like we aren't on the internet to be able to look that shiat up... they have an on off switch.... they generate power, focus it into plasma via crystals, and contain it in a magnetic "force" bottle.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber/Legends
 
2017-03-21 11:53:45 AM  

Stratohead: so far as people asking how light sabers are supposed to work...its not like we aren't on the internet to be able to look that shiat up... they have an on off switch.... they generate power, focus it into plasma via crystals, and contain it in a magnetic "force" bottle.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber/Legends


Your link has "Legends" in the URL. It might as well be about cloned Emperors shooting Galaxy Guns or rogue Jedi apprentices using a flying ice cream cone to blow up stars.
 
2017-03-21 12:07:48 PM  
Emperor clones from the EU have been rightfully mocked as silly.

Darth Maul surviving the events of TPM is equally dumb, even if the later stories are actually pretty good.
 
2017-03-21 12:09:40 PM  

clkeagle: Stratohead: so far as people asking how light sabers are supposed to work...its not like we aren't on the internet to be able to look that shiat up... they have an on off switch.... they generate power, focus it into plasma via crystals, and contain it in a magnetic "force" bottle.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber/Legends

Your link has "Legends" in the URL. It might as well be about cloned Emperors shooting Galaxy Guns or rogue Jedi apprentices using a flying ice cream cone to blow up stars.


you didn't bother  reading the link at all did you?  and yet you feel the need to spout an uninformed opinion...congradulations...you fit right in around here.
 
2017-03-21 12:17:21 PM  

Stratohead: SithLord: Obi-Wan Kenobi - trained mastery of the Force and his lightsaber technique in exiled solitude over the course of seventeen years.  Focused himself to become One with the Living Force as taught to him by ghost Qui-Gon and Yoda.  His lightsaber, an extension of the Force, an extension of his own will.

VS.

Maul - a fallen Sith, hell-bent on revenge for nearly thirty years.  Thriving on the dark side, his anger and aggression while being replaced with cyborg legs on two occasions.  Finding and training his brother only to see him cut down by a far more experienced Sith, Darth Sidious who continued to torture him after the duel, extending him to be his silent assassin and to watch as his own mother was gruesomely cut down by Grievous.  He sought the power of the Sith Temple on Malachor to offer insight to his revenge against Kenobi via the Sith Holocron (possibly Darth Treia), and in an act of selfish motivation, was bested by the more patient and skilled Jedi Master on Tatooine.

On top of ending the fate of a sad, troubled character, it also revealed who truly is the Chosen One - Luke Skywalker.

also... Maul was wander around the Dune Sea for days-weeks without proper survival equipment, while Obi Won was fully equipped...so I think ObiWon had a bit of an edge there as well.

so far as people asking how light sabers are supposed to work...its not like we aren't on the internet to be able to look that shiat up... they have an on off switch.... they generate power, focus it into plasma via crystals, and contain it in a magnetic "force" bottle.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber/Legends


Does it charge up via a USB port?
 
2017-03-21 01:42:41 PM  
The episode is called "Twin Suns," an obvious play on the words "twin sons."  Ben and Maul have been watching these events unfold since the very beginning.  Both were the apprentices at the beginning of Palpatine's plans and the unfolding of the Jedi prophecy.

They've both gotten stronger and become masters. They've both lost everything in the pursuit of their respective agendas, but coped with it in completely different ways. While Ben has matured and become observant and reflective, Maul has gradually lost perspective until there is nothing left but anger and a desire for revenge.

That is what makes this fight so awesome and so one-sided.  Ben has won it before he even assumes the first stance. He has complete clarity.  He *knows* Maul is going to strike first and he also knows what move Maul is going to try.  Maul's head is nothing but noise.
 
2017-03-21 02:22:10 PM  

WilderKWight: And in a way, you could say Luke was the chosen one from a certain point of view. When faced with the choice between Palpatine and Luke in the throne room, Vader chose Luke... Making Luke the actual "chosen" one. It was Vader choosing Luke that brought about the end of the Sith.


So basically the Whills are making monkey paw type prophecies

Vader is the one who chooses and Luke is the chosen one.
I guarantee that is 100% more thought than Lucas put into it.
 
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