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(AOL)   New report shows immigrants commit fewer crimes than people born in the US. To be fair, some of us, I assume, are good people   ( aol.com) divider line
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2017-03-20 11:04:31 AM  
I try.
 
2017-03-20 11:19:39 AM  
So looking at their numbers, legal immigrants are much less likely to be criminals than American-born. Illegal immigrants are slightly more likely to be criminals (just over 1% vs about .6%).

Encourage more legal immigration.
 
2017-03-20 11:33:12 AM  

Boojum2k: So looking at their numbers, legal immigrants are much less likely to be criminals than American-born. Illegal immigrants are slightly more likely to be criminals (just over 1% vs about .6%).


Some people have been vetted.
 
2017-03-20 11:54:12 AM  
Well of course, they know they'll get deported if they're arrested for anything.  I know it's shocking but most people who come to this country kind of want to stay in this country.  Citizens don't give a fark.
 
2017-03-20 12:46:05 PM  
Wow someone got paid to point out the obvious!

/in the wrong career.
 
2017-03-20 12:46:21 PM  
I'm just saying, getting drunk and vandalizing an IKEA building with "Swedes did 9/11" shouldn't really be counted as a crime.
 
2017-03-20 12:47:14 PM  
And by "new" they mean "re-confirming what studies have shown all along".
 
2017-03-20 12:48:00 PM  
New report shows immigrants commit fewer crimes than people born in the US

But of course they do.

The Wall is the stupidest thing any President has done in the past 100 years, at least.
 
2017-03-20 12:48:18 PM  
I mean... Callahan.  Most members of my family in the most recent wave of immigration were kind of counter-examples to this statistic to begin with, so I'm not sure I'd be in a position to throw stones over it even if what subby's pointing out wasn't the truth.

shiat, man, one of the original thirteen states was a penal colony from day one and all of the original colonies had their numbers boosted by criminal indenture, even the branches of the family going back to the 1600s are full of debtors and criminals for me and all the other white people.
 
2017-03-20 12:49:34 PM  

Frank N Stein: I'm just saying, getting drunk and vandalizing an IKEA building with "Swedes did 9/11" shouldn't really be counted as a crime.


Exactly. I'm just saying let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
 
2017-03-20 12:50:07 PM  

Boojum2k: So looking at their numbers, legal immigrants are much less likely to be criminals than American-born. Illegal immigrants are slightly more likely to be criminals (just over 1% vs about .6%).

Encourage more legal immigration.


Actually, we know 100% of illegal immigrants have committed at least one crime:  Unauthorized entry into the United States.  If they've done it more than once, it's a felony.

100% agree on encouraging more legal immigration.
 
2017-03-20 12:50:25 PM  

whidbey: The Wall is the stupidest thing any President has done in the past 100 years, at least.


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2017-03-20 12:50:29 PM  

Jim_Callahan: I mean... Callahan.  Most members of my family in the most recent wave of immigration were kind of counter-examples to this statistic to begin with, so I'm not sure I'd be in a position to throw stones over it even if what subby's pointing out wasn't the truth.

shiat, man, one of the original thirteen states was a penal colony from day one and all of the original colonies had their numbers boosted by criminal indenture, even the branches of the family going back to the 1600s are full of debtors and criminals for me and all the other white people.



Don't forget, many were also slavery-supporting monsters in addition to being criminals.
 
2017-03-20 12:51:54 PM  

dittybopper: Boojum2k: So looking at their numbers, legal immigrants are much less likely to be criminals than American-born. Illegal immigrants are slightly more likely to be criminals (just over 1% vs about .6%).

Encourage more legal immigration.

Actually, we know 100% of illegal immigrants have committed at least one crime:  Unauthorized entry into the United States.  If they've done it more than once, it's a felony.

100% agree on encouraging more legal immigration.


And another "I'm not really a Republican" lie.

Shocking.
 
2017-03-20 12:52:35 PM  

whidbey: New report shows immigrants commit fewer crimes than people born in the US

But of course they do.

The Wall is the stupidest thing any President has done in the past 100 years, at least.


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It's close.
 
2017-03-20 12:53:46 PM  

dittybopper: 100% agree on encouraging more legal immigration.


The best way to encourage more legal immigration from Mexico would be to make it realistic.
 
2017-03-20 12:53:57 PM  

whidbey: The Wall is the stupidest thing any President has done in the past 100 years, at least.


but mexico is going to pay for it and it appeases the base so why not. plus look at all the jobs. ok ok it will piss off TX ranchers when their land gets grabbed but that's a feature not a bug.
 
2017-03-20 12:56:12 PM  

Archidude: whidbey: The Wall is the stupidest thing any President has done in the past 100 years, at least.

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My bad.  I should have said  "the stupidest domestic policy,"  but I'm sure I could be schooled on that, too. :)

It's still pretty stupid to piss away billions of dollars on a monument to xenophobia.
 
2017-03-20 12:56:44 PM  

dittybopper: Boojum2k: So looking at their numbers, legal immigrants are much less likely to be criminals than American-born. Illegal immigrants are slightly more likely to be criminals (just over 1% vs about .6%).

Encourage more legal immigration.

Actually, we know 100% of illegal immigrants have committed at least one crime:  Unauthorized entry into the United States.  If they've done it more than once, it's a felony.

100% agree on encouraging more legal immigration.


Actually about half of those without current legal status entered the US on a visa or some similar program and simply overstayed passed the time allowed. But most aren't brown so we don't care about them, amirite?
 
2017-03-20 12:56:58 PM  
This makes a great deal of sense. Immigrants tend to be particularly motivated, particularly hard-working, and particularly fearful of being thrown out of their lives and into a country they may never have so much as visited in their adult lives. You don't pick up and move to a new country and learn a new language and a new way of living if you're looking for the easy way out, and you don't risk all of that for a fast buck.

But just to get the obvious counter-argument out of the way:

1. Most victims and perpetrators of crime live within the same community. People usually don't travel fifty miles to attack complete strangers.

2. Immigrants -- even 100% legal ones -- are unlikely to approach the police for help. This is partially due to language issues, partially due to a lack of comfort with a foreign legal system that might differ from their own in any number of ways, partially due to a belief that their concerns will not be taken seriously by the police, and partially due to a belief that approaching the police would spark an investigation that might include inquiries that would end up checking up on the legal status of themselves, their friends, their families, their co-workers, or their neighbours.

3. Crimes that don't get reported don't end up in studies.
 
2017-03-20 12:57:01 PM  

Boojum2k: So looking at their numbers, legal immigrants are much less likely to be criminals than American-born. Illegal immigrants are slightly more likely to be criminals (just over 1% vs about .6%).

Encourage more legal immigration.


Illegal immigrants are 3% of the population, but only 1.65% of the incarcerated.

Since we're talking about a group that includes a lot of itinerant workers, I wonder how many of those are for things like sleeping in the wrong place like a park after closing, drinking in public, urinating in  public, etc.
 
2017-03-20 12:57:57 PM  

Curious: whidbey: The Wall is the stupidest thing any President has done in the past 100 years, at least.

but mexico is going to pay for it and it appeases the base so why not. plus look at all the jobs. ok ok it will piss off TX ranchers when their land gets grabbed but that's a feature not a bug.


Every president has wanted the fall or fence at some point during their careers going at least back to Reagan.

Even Obama wanted a wall at some point.
 
2017-03-20 12:58:26 PM  
One can have a perfectly clean criminal record whilst preying night and day upon illegal immigrants.
 
2017-03-20 01:00:05 PM  

dwrash: Curious: whidbey: The Wall is the stupidest thing any President has done in the past 100 years, at least.

but mexico is going to pay for it and it appeases the base so why not. plus look at all the jobs. ok ok it will piss off TX ranchers when their land gets grabbed but that's a feature not a bug.

Every president has wanted the fall or fence at some point during their careers going at least back to Reagan.

Even Obama wanted a wall at some point.


liar.
 
2017-03-20 01:00:11 PM  

Gaddiel: dittybopper: Boojum2k: So looking at their numbers, legal immigrants are much less likely to be criminals than American-born. Illegal immigrants are slightly more likely to be criminals (just over 1% vs about .6%).

Encourage more legal immigration.

Actually, we know 100% of illegal immigrants have committed at least one crime:  Unauthorized entry into the United States.  If they've done it more than once, it's a felony.

100% agree on encouraging more legal immigration.

Actually about half of those without current legal status entered the US on a visa or some similar program and simply overstayed passed the time allowed. But most aren't brown so we don't care about them, amirite?


And there are those who were brought here as minors by their parents.
 
2017-03-20 01:01:05 PM  
Legal immigrants obviously have a vested interest in abiding by the law if they went through the arduous process of attaining citizenship.  This is incredibly obvious and the study is a pointless attempt to discredit and distract from the current argument over illegal immigrants and the sudden proliferation of taco trucks on every corner.
 
2017-03-20 01:02:53 PM  

dittybopper: Actually, we know 100% of illegal immigrants have committed at least one crime:  Unauthorized entry into the United States.


This claim is on par with going in to a football thread and confidently predicting your kid's little league team will win the Superbowl.
 
2017-03-20 01:03:05 PM  
No f*cking sh*t.
 
2017-03-20 01:03:56 PM  
It was never about crime. It's about culture.

Trumpers don't want their culture here. They want America to stay American.
 
2017-03-20 01:03:58 PM  

whidbey: dwrash: Curious: whidbey: The Wall is the stupidest thing any President has done in the past 100 years, at least.

but mexico is going to pay for it and it appeases the base so why not. plus look at all the jobs. ok ok it will piss off TX ranchers when their land gets grabbed but that's a feature not a bug.

Every president has wanted the fall or fence at some point during their careers going at least back to Reagan.

Even Obama wanted a wall at some point.

liar.


Obama wanted a fence(wall)
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You seem to have forgotten to do your homework.
 
2017-03-20 01:03:58 PM  

Frank N Stein: I'm just saying, getting drunk and vandalizing an IKEA building with "Swedes did 9/11" shouldn't really be counted as a crime.


I'd say that depends entirely on the typography of your vandalism.
 
2017-03-20 01:04:47 PM  

Ishkur: It was never about crime. It's about culture.

Trumpers don't want their culture here. They want America to stay American.


Define "American".
 
2017-03-20 01:05:02 PM  

Pats_Cloth_Coat: dittybopper: Actually, we know 100% of illegal immigrants have committed at least one crime:  Unauthorized entry into the United States.

This claim is on par with going in to a football thread and confidently predicting your kid's little league team will win the Superbowl.


I can't figure out this analogy
 
2017-03-20 01:05:55 PM  

dwrash: whidbey: dwrash: Curious: whidbey: The Wall is the stupidest thing any President has done in the past 100 years, at least.

but mexico is going to pay for it and it appeases the base so why not. plus look at all the jobs. ok ok it will piss off TX ranchers when their land gets grabbed but that's a feature not a bug.

Every president has wanted the fall or fence at some point during their careers going at least back to Reagan.

Even Obama wanted a wall at some point.

liar.

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You seem to have forgotten to do your homework.


You seem to think that an edited video with clips of Obama pre-Presidency means a farking shiat.

This is another weakass attempt from you to paint both sides as being the same, or doing the damage that Trump wants to do.
 
2017-03-20 01:06:45 PM  

Subtonic: Legal immigrants obviously have a vested interest in abiding by the law if they went through the arduous process of attaining citizenship.  This is incredibly obvious and the study is a pointless attempt to discredit and distract from the current argument over illegal immigrants and the sudden proliferation of taco trucks on every corner.


Then they really messed up by breaking out incarceration numbers for legal and illegal immigrants seperately.

Which shows illegal immigrants are incarcerated at half the rate of citizens.
 
2017-03-20 01:07:26 PM  

Archidude: Ishkur: It was never about crime. It's about culture.

Trumpers don't want their culture here. They want America to stay American.

Define "American".


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2017-03-20 01:07:32 PM  

whidbey: dwrash: whidbey: dwrash: Curious: whidbey: The Wall is the stupidest thing any President has done in the past 100 years, at least.

but mexico is going to pay for it and it appeases the base so why not. plus look at all the jobs. ok ok it will piss off TX ranchers when their land gets grabbed but that's a feature not a bug.

Every president has wanted the fall or fence at some point during their careers going at least back to Reagan.

Even Obama wanted a wall at some point.

liar.

[YouTube video]

You seem to have forgotten to do your homework.

You seem to think that an edited video with clips of Obama pre-Presidency means a farking shiat.

This is another weakass attempt from you to paint both sides as being the same, or doing the damage that Trump wants to do.


I never said they wanted it during their presidency... I sad that during their careers, it has been documented that all those politicians wanted a wall/fence at some point.
 
2017-03-20 01:08:01 PM  
Yeah, but those committing crimes are taking them away from American criminals.  Dey took r crimes!
 
2017-03-20 01:08:10 PM  

Frank N Stein: Pats_Cloth_Coat: dittybopper: Actually, we know 100% of illegal immigrants have committed at least one crime:  Unauthorized entry into the United States.

This claim is on par with going in to a football thread and confidently predicting your kid's little league team will win the Superbowl.

I can't figure out this analogy


Because it demonstrates someone commenting on a subject about which they don't know the most basic, elementary facts.
 
2017-03-20 01:08:20 PM  
Well of course they commit fewer crimes - there are fewer of them! Duh!
 - Shirley
 
2017-03-20 01:13:18 PM  

dittybopper: Actually, we know 100% of illegal immigrants have committed at least one crime: Unauthorized entry into the United States. If they've done it more than once, it's a felony.

100% agree on encouraging more legal immigration.


If someone overstays their visa, are they part of that 100% of illegal immigrants that entered the country without authorization?
 
2017-03-20 01:13:28 PM  
many undocumented criminals target other immigrants specifically because they are afraid to contact the police to report crimes. because of this specific targeting, many crimes are unreported.
since as many as 70% of these potential victims say they would not report crimes to the police, the number of crime reportedly committed by undocumented or illegal criminals may be greatly inaccurate.
 
2017-03-20 01:14:30 PM  

Epic Fap Session: dittybopper: 100% agree on encouraging more legal immigration.

The best way to encourage more legal immigration from Mexico would be to make it realistic.


10% of Mexicans already live in the US.

Mexico is the 10th most populous nation on Earth.
 
2017-03-20 01:15:35 PM  
I lived in Germany and Portugal for 4 years each as a military dependent (brat), and the highest crime rates in both countries were always around American installations. AFRTS (military TV/Radio) always ran the "Don't be an 'ugly American'" commercials. Hell, Frankfurt had 'bad crime' because if you put your briefcase down in a train station and came back 15 minutes later it might be gone. The goddamn cars wouldn't even lock from the inside. "Why would you need to lock the car when you're already in it?"

CSB: I went from D.C. at the height of the crack epidemic of the late 80s, where if you didn't lock your car you were getting carjacked, to Germany, where they wouldn't even lock when the car was running, at least electronic ones in BMWs/Mercedes.
 
2017-03-20 01:18:05 PM  

Popular Opinion: many undocumented criminals target other immigrants specifically because they are afraid to contact the police to report crimes. because of this specific targeting, many crimes are unreported.
since as many as 70% of these potential victims say they would not report crimes to the police, the number of crime reportedly committed by undocumented or illegal criminals may be greatly inaccurate.


They also target other illegals because it's hard to get a bank account without a SSN, so you keep all the money you make at home, stuffed in a mattress, and everybody knows when you get paid. 90% of 'home invasion' robberies are immigrant on immigrant crime.
 
2017-03-20 01:23:31 PM  

Frank N Stein: Claiming someone got "owned" in an internet argument actually means that you're the pathetic one, fam.


Ha ha! You got meta-meta-owned by calling him pathetic for calling the other person pathetic!

But seriously, the wall is stupid.
 
2017-03-20 01:24:41 PM  
 
2017-03-20 01:25:39 PM  

Fart_Machine: And it's still a stupid idea.  So?


But Hillary Clinton, and therefore.
 
2017-03-20 01:27:11 PM  
 
2017-03-20 01:28:13 PM  
Two thoughts:

1. Hey, AOL still exists!
2. What are their sources. There's a lot of quotes with only vague attributions.

We're presented with a source that cites ~180k immigrants in jail, but also shows that around 100k are deported annually for criminal causes. So it would appear that some criminals are just kicked out, instead of warehoused in a domestic prison.

There's also little differentiation between legal and illegal immigrants. There appears to be no effort to normalize by economic class. Green card policies essentially prune off a bunch of the lower deciles, where crime rates boom. There's also investment green card holders, who populate the 10th decile -- a group with essentially a zero crime rate regardless of race or ancestry.

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