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(News 13 Orlando)   Prosecutor: I'm not going to seek the death penalty. Governor: Then you're fired. Next Prosecutor: uh, lemme think about this   ( mynews13.com) divider line
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2017-03-20 11:29:06 AM  
Should make the appeal easy.
 
2017-03-20 11:57:18 AM  
So the governor is demanding that the death penalty be sought before a competency hearing? Shouldn't that hearing play a pivotal role to make that determination? How isn't this a gross perversion of justice and our legal syst... Oh Florida tag.
 
2017-03-20 05:52:28 PM  
I'm getting a kick out of this as I wait for them to select a jury from my pool. Yes, I'm on break.
 
2017-03-20 07:42:11 PM  
Who is the "Lauten" mentioned 4 times in the article without explanation?
 
2017-03-20 07:43:23 PM  
Whats Johnny Eyepatch accused of doing?
 
2017-03-20 07:46:05 PM  
You know who else fired prosecutors and judges when they didn't deliver his predetermined results?
 
2017-03-20 07:47:13 PM  

kbronsito: So the governor is demanding that the death penalty be sought before a competency hearing? Shouldn't that hearing play a pivotal role to make that determination? How isn't this a gross perversion of justice and our legal syst... Oh Florida tag.


Shouldnt'r the prosecutor do the same before declairing she isn't seeking the death penalty?
 
2017-03-20 07:48:04 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2017-03-20 07:54:23 PM  
Syntax this article's rearranged brain my has.
 
2017-03-20 07:54:28 PM  
What a well written article!
 
2017-03-20 07:57:47 PM  
Cases like this make me so angry. I wish as a society we could collectively realize that some dude who goes on a rampage and kills three people has mental health issues. Instead the death penalty proponents have another case to point to where the defendant "needed a good killing"

Of course we can all bow our heads and thank St. Reagan for destroying the mental health system in this country so that such clusterfarks can happen in the first place.

/ also no matter how despicable this guy is, the governor needs to let the court system do its job.
 
2017-03-20 07:59:11 PM  

mikaloyd: Whats Johnny Eyepatch accused of doing?


Loyd is accused of killing his pregnant ex-girlfriend Sade Dixon, trying to kill her brother and then killed Orlando Police Lt. Debra Clayton.

Nice guy.
 
2017-03-20 08:03:31 PM  

kbronsito: So the governor is demanding that the death penalty be sought before a competency hearing? Shouldn't that hearing play a pivotal role to make that determination? How isn't this a gross perversion of justice and our legal syst... Oh Florida tag.


the competency hearing in Murica is pure bullshiat. a glorified lawyer (a judge) is concerned with one question. competency should be declared by a psychiatrist who has be given ample time to diagnose the accused.
 
2017-03-20 08:03:43 PM  

TheLogicAvenger: kbronsito: So the governor is demanding that the death penalty be sought before a competency hearing? Shouldn't that hearing play a pivotal role to make that determination? How isn't this a gross perversion of justice and our legal syst... Oh Florida tag.

Shouldnt'r the prosecutor do the same before declairing she isn't seeking the death penalty?


Why? When seeking the death penalty, there is a significant risk of wrongly killing someone if you don't dot all of your I's and cross your T's.  If you don't seek the penalty then the risk of a wrongful execution disappears.

The only thing I could even remotely agree with is a competency hearing should be completed to see of there is a need for a trial at all. Then decide if you plan on pursuing the death penalty.
 
2017-03-20 08:04:17 PM  

emarche: mikaloyd: Whats Johnny Eyepatch accused of doing?

Loyd is accused of killing his pregnant ex-girlfriend Sade Dixon, trying to kill her brother and then killed Orlando Police Lt. Debra Clayton.

Nice guy.


*twitch*

Yeah I'm a big libby-lib-lib in most cases, but kill your pregnant ex AND a cop? Sorry, death penalty should be on the table.
 
2017-03-20 08:04:58 PM  
Kill him. Quit wasting time on that scumbag.
 
2017-03-20 08:05:42 PM  

jaytkay: Who is the "Lauten" mentioned 4 times in the article without explanation?


The judge. Chief Judge Frederick J. Lauten .

nacker: What a well written article!


"The governonr showed extreme prejudice"
"The office of the Criminal Conflict and Civil Regional Counsel stated it do not think it has a conflict of interest, but may."
"He claimed that he is not allowed the tie to do research for his case." (why on Earth would he want a TIE) :p
"The new state attorneys that are handling it should be able to fit right it and follow through on the case,"

I know it's Florida, but sheesh..
 
2017-03-20 08:10:13 PM  

jaytkay: Who is the "Lauten" mentioned 4 times in the article without explanation?


Article never says. Also fta-

"The governor don't know nothing about my case," said Loyd. "One more thing. I want it for the record. The governonr showed extreme prejudice. He didn't even want to sit down and talk to the State Attorney. He didn't know nothing about my case."

By Bailey Myers and John W. Davis, Team Coverage


More like team failure.
 
2017-03-20 08:10:41 PM  

emarche: mikaloyd: Whats Johnny Eyepatch accused of doing?

Loyd is accused of killing his pregnant ex-girlfriend Sade Dixon, trying to kill her brother and then killed Orlando Police Lt. Debra Clayton.

Nice guy.


If the prosecutor is refusing to seek the death penalty after killing a cop, especially before a competency hearing can determine competency then yes, they have to go. Killing a cop in death penalty states is an automatic "You must seek the death penalty". If you can't do that then GTFO because you're refusing to do your job and follow the laws that you're sworn to uphold. Only if the competency hearing finds incompetence can you drop it to a lower charge. It's up to the jury to decide if the death penalty will be applied.
 
2017-03-20 08:11:03 PM  

cfreak: Cases like this make me so angry. I wish as a society we could collectively realize that some dude who goes on a rampage and kills three people has mental health issues. Instead the death penalty proponents have another case to point to where the defendant "needed a good killing"

Of course we can all bow our heads and thank St. Reagan for destroying the mental health system in this country so that such clusterfarks can happen in the first place.

/ also no matter how despicable this guy is, the governor needs to let the court system do its job.


Murder rates are dramatically lower now than they were in 1980 when Reagan became president.
 
2017-03-20 08:14:10 PM  

IvanTheSilent: TheLogicAvenger: kbronsito: So the governor is demanding that the death penalty be sought before a competency hearing? Shouldn't that hearing play a pivotal role to make that determination? How isn't this a gross perversion of justice and our legal syst... Oh Florida tag.

Shouldnt'r the prosecutor do the same before declairing she isn't seeking the death penalty?

Why? When seeking the death penalty, there is a significant risk of wrongly killing someone if you don't dot all of your I's and cross your T's.  If you don't seek the penalty then the risk of a wrongful execution disappears.

The only thing I could even remotely agree with is a competency hearing should be completed to see of there is a need for a trial at all. Then decide if you plan on pursuing the death penalty.


My point being the dual standard professed  by he oc.  On one hand the OP claims it to be  preemptive to find a lawyer that will pusie the death penalty ahead of the competency hearing, while convieniently ignoring he fact that the other lawyer refused to pursue it at the same juncture
 
2017-03-20 08:16:23 PM  

Radioactive Ass: emarche: mikaloyd: Whats Johnny Eyepatch accused of doing?

Loyd is accused of killing his pregnant ex-girlfriend Sade Dixon, trying to kill her brother and then killed Orlando Police Lt. Debra Clayton.

Nice guy.

If the prosecutor is refusing to seek the death penalty after killing a cop, especially before a competency hearing can determine competency then yes, they have to go. Killing a cop in death penalty states is an automatic "You must seek the death penalty". If you can't do that then GTFO because you're refusing to do your job and follow the laws that you're sworn to uphold. Only if the competency hearing finds incompetence can you drop it to a lower charge. It's up to the jury to decide if the death penalty will be applied.


Prosecutors have significant amounts of discretion in what charges they bring. There's a multitude of reasons she may want to file a non-capital murder case including a greater chance of conviction, lower prosecution costs, lowered time commitment, and lowered likelihood of him getting competent counsel. If she's concerned with putting as many bad guys" away as possible with limited resources, seeking the death penalty would be counter that goal.
 
2017-03-20 08:17:22 PM  

Radioactive Ass: emarche: mikaloyd: Whats Johnny Eyepatch accused of doing?

Loyd is accused of killing his pregnant ex-girlfriend Sade Dixon, trying to kill her brother and then killed Orlando Police Lt. Debra Clayton.

Nice guy.

If the prosecutor is refusing to seek the death penalty after killing a cop, especially before a competency hearing can determine competency then yes, they have to go. Killing a cop in death penalty states is an automatic "You must seek the death penalty". If you can't do that then GTFO because you're refusing to do your job and follow the laws that you're sworn to uphold. Only if the competency hearing finds incompetence can you drop it to a lower charge. It's up to the jury to decide if the death penalty will be applied.


That's not how it works. The prosecutor must file charges before a competency hearing can take place.
 
2017-03-20 08:19:42 PM  

emarche: mikaloyd: Whats Johnny Eyepatch accused of doing?

Loyd is accused of killing his pregnant ex-girlfriend Sade Dixon, trying to kill her brother and then killed Orlando Police Lt. Debra Clayton.

Nice guy.


That sounds like a Serbian porno
 
2017-03-20 08:20:15 PM  
WTF?  Is Trump contagious?  Have people forgotten we have three branches of government for a reason?  I'm no legal scholar, but I'm pretty sure the Legislative Branch - not the Executive Branch - handles these things.  Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
 
2017-03-20 08:24:23 PM  
Subby, reassigned != fired.  Hate to be a broken record here but this is the second greenlit article about this wrongly claiming she was fired in the headline.
 
2017-03-20 08:26:45 PM  

snarkherder: Syntax this article's rearranged brain my has.


nacker: What a well written article!


I missed the part where the new Prosecutor is going "hmmm". Instead I got that there exists much confusion over who is representing the State and the Client. That the judge thinks the Public Defender has a serious conflict of interest is ... interesting.  And the defendant sounds like he might not be all there.
 
2017-03-20 08:31:06 PM  

Too Pretty For Prison: WTF?  Is Trump contagious?  Have people forgotten we have three branches of government for a reason?  I'm no legal scholar, but I'm pretty sure the Legislative Branch - not the Executive Branch - handles these things.  Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.


Um, no, the state's attorney works for the executive, they prosecute the state's case, the judge is part of the judiciary, they oversea the hearing and make sure the trial runs correctly and without bias, and the laws which the accused is charged with breaking are formed and passed by the legislative branch, and finally the jury is made up of the citizenry.
 
2017-03-20 08:35:32 PM  

meanmutton: cfreak: Cases like this make me so angry. I wish as a society we could collectively realize that some dude who goes on a rampage and kills three people has mental health issues. Instead the death penalty proponents have another case to point to where the defendant "needed a good killing"

Of course we can all bow our heads and thank St. Reagan for destroying the mental health system in this country so that such clusterfarks can happen in the first place.

/ also no matter how despicable this guy is, the governor needs to let the court system do its job.

Murder rates are dramatically lower now than they were in 1980 when Reagan became president.


That's because we pulled lead out of the gasoline. There's a consistent 15-20 year lag between the addition of lead to gasoline and societal enragement of city dwellers. It's been experienced in multiple locations, so it's got better correlation (with a method of causation) than the idea of abortion causing the decline in violence. Mexico might actually improve over the next decade for the same reasons, they didn't pull the lead out of their gas until a decade ago.
 
2017-03-20 08:35:40 PM  

litmik: emarche: mikaloyd: Whats Johnny Eyepatch accused of doing?

Loyd is accused of killing his pregnant ex-girlfriend Sade Dixon, trying to kill her brother and then killed Orlando Police Lt. Debra Clayton.

Nice guy.

*twitch*

Yeah I'm a big libby-lib-lib in most cases, but kill your pregnant ex AND a cop? Sorry, death penalty should be on the table.


That's nothing; he's a Soveriegn
 
2017-03-20 08:37:18 PM  

meanmutton: Radioactive Ass: emarche: mikaloyd: Whats Johnny Eyepatch accused of doing?

Loyd is accused of killing his pregnant ex-girlfriend Sade Dixon, trying to kill her brother and then killed Orlando Police Lt. Debra Clayton.

Nice guy.

If the prosecutor is refusing to seek the death penalty after killing a cop, especially before a competency hearing can determine competency then yes, they have to go. Killing a cop in death penalty states is an automatic "You must seek the death penalty". If you can't do that then GTFO because you're refusing to do your job and follow the laws that you're sworn to uphold. Only if the competency hearing finds incompetence can you drop it to a lower charge. It's up to the jury to decide if the death penalty will be applied.

That's not how it works. The prosecutor must file charges before a competency hearing can take place.


And filing the top charge with lesser included charges should be what was done. They can always drop the top charge after the hearing if the situation warrants it.

meanmutton: Prosecutors have significant amounts of discretion in what charges they bring. There's a multitude of reasons she may want to file a non-capital murder case including a greater chance of conviction, lower prosecution costs, lowered time commitment, and lowered likelihood of him getting competent counsel. If she's concerned with putting as many bad guys" away as possible with limited resources, seeking the death penalty would be counter that goal.


In a "Regular" case I can see the logic of that. The reason killing a cop is an automatic capital case is because if it were not there are people out there that might decide to roll the dice and shoot a cop knowing that they won't get the death penalty. Nothing good can come from that. That's how you end up with cops going with the shoot first and ask questions later scenarios.

Their conviction rates or costs has nothing to do with that.
 
AOW
2017-03-20 08:39:14 PM  

Too Pretty For Prison: WTF?  Is Trump contagious?  Have people forgotten we have three branches of government for a reason?  I'm no legal scholar, but I'm pretty sure the Legislative Branch - not the Executive Branch - handles these things.  Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.


Ya wrong, the office of prosecutor is under the executive branch
 
2017-03-20 08:41:32 PM  

TheLogicAvenger: IvanTheSilent: TheLogicAvenger: kbronsito: So the governor is demanding that the death penalty be sought before a competency hearing? Shouldn't that hearing play a pivotal role to make that determination? How isn't this a gross perversion of justice and our legal syst... Oh Florida tag.

Shouldnt'r the prosecutor do the same before declairing she isn't seeking the death penalty?

Why? When seeking the death penalty, there is a significant risk of wrongly killing someone if you don't dot all of your I's and cross your T's.  If you don't seek the penalty then the risk of a wrongful execution disappears.

The only thing I could even remotely agree with is a competency hearing should be completed to see of there is a need for a trial at all. Then decide if you plan on pursuing the death penalty.

My point being the dual standard professed  by he oc.  On one hand the OP claims it to be  preemptive to find a lawyer that will pusie the death penalty ahead of the competency hearing, while convieniently ignoring he fact that the other lawyer refused to pursue it at the same juncture


She refused to seek any death cases on the grounds that Florida's death penalty laws were a total wreck. It wasn't specific to this case; it was, ostensibly, a blanket policy.

Sadly, this article appears to have been written by a 4 year old and edited by a 3 year old, so it is as lacking in useful information as it is in basic grammatical structure.
 
2017-03-20 08:58:17 PM  
What we have here is a prosecutor committing career suicide.
 
2017-03-20 09:15:08 PM  

Too Pretty For Prison: Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.


This is Fark. Your kind invitation may be superfluous...

Just saying
 
2017-03-20 09:18:20 PM  
kill him.

and kill the writer of the article.

and kill the editor of the article.

and next time get someone out of high school to write for yo, not a 7th grader

and take off the enter/return key.

no need to double space it.
 
2017-03-20 09:18:54 PM  
Murder by the state is a crime against humanity in ALL cases.

There is no case that justifies it.

If Rick Scott pulled a DA off of a case for refusing to participate in a murder, then he is guilty of a crime against humanity in yet another case.

He should spend the rest of his life in prison.
 
2017-03-20 09:23:21 PM  

emarche: mikaloyd: Whats Johnny Eyepatch accused of doing?

Loyd is accused of killing his pregnant ex-girlfriend Sade Dixon, trying to kill her brother and then killed Orlando Police Lt. Debra Clayton.

Nice guy.


Seems death penalty worthy if he did it.
 
2017-03-20 09:24:56 PM  

WTP 2: and next time get someone out of high school to write for yo, not a 7th grader


Hmmmm


Boys, get a rope.
 
2017-03-20 09:24:58 PM  

cfreak: Cases like this make me so angry. I wish as a society we could collectively realize that some dude who goes on a rampage and kills three people has mental health issues. Instead the death penalty proponents have another case to point to where the defendant "needed a good killing"

Of course we can all bow our heads and thank St. Reagan for destroying the mental health system in this country so that such clusterfarks can happen in the first place.

/ also no matter how despicable this guy is, the governor needs to let the court system do its job.


If by "mental health system", you actually mean "torture factories". Asylums were places you stuck the undesirables to keep them out of sight, not to treat them. Reagan gets blamed, but he was convinced to do it by the ACLU, who crusader to put these places out of business. Places like Willowbrook where they were basically warehoused "living in filth and dirt, their clothing in rags, in rooms less comfortable and cheerful than the cages in which we put animals in a zoo". Or like Kenneth Donaldson, who spent FIFTEEN YEARS held in a mental hospital without ever being treated.
 
2017-03-20 09:32:19 PM  
Murdered cop was African American

Getting kick out of the left for not wanting justice for a murdered African American.
 
2017-03-20 09:37:24 PM  
Doesn't this make the governor the prime suspect, trying to get rid of witnesses?
 
2017-03-20 09:38:51 PM  
So let me get this straight:

This guy is being (at least temporarily) denied a public defender because some state witnesses had to use public defenders before?

Wtf?!?
 
2017-03-20 09:47:55 PM  

TheLogicAvenger: kbronsito: So the governor is demanding that the death penalty be sought before a competency hearing? Shouldn't that hearing play a pivotal role to make that determination? How isn't this a gross perversion of justice and our legal syst... Oh Florida tag.

Shouldnt'r the prosecutor do the same before declairing she isn't seeking the death penalty?


I don't know why people are gung-ho about the death penalty.  If I did something serious enough to warrant the death penalty is rather get it than spend 30+ years in a 10x10 with 1 hour of free time a day.  Fark that noise, end it quick.
 
2017-03-20 09:52:30 PM  

nacker: What a well written article!


"The Public Defenders Office said it wasn't not sure if it has conflicts of interest with defending Loyd."

What isn't not wrong with that?
 
2017-03-20 09:53:06 PM  

cfreak: Cases like this make me so angry. I wish as a society we could collectively realize that some dude who goes on a rampage and kills three people has mental health issues. Instead the death penalty proponents have another case to point to where the defendant "needed a good killing"

Of course we can all bow our heads and thank St. Reagan for destroying the mental health system in this country so that such clusterfarks can happen in the first place.

/ also no matter how despicable this guy is, the governor needs to let the court system do its job.


What benefits are there to keeping him alive ?
 
2017-03-20 09:55:00 PM  

DarkVader: Murder by the state is a crime against humanity in ALL cases.

There is no case that justifies it.

If Rick Scott pulled a DA off of a case for refusing to participate in a murder, then he is guilty of a crime against humanity in yet another case.

He should spend the rest of his life in prison.


No, but consider all the benefits.
1 - Every time you kill a murderer, the victim rises from the grave, and all their loved ones are happy again.
2- Jesus exhorted us, when wronged, to take revenge. "An eye for an eye" he said.
3 - Because of the jury system, no one innocent has ever been convicted and executed.  Fact.
4 - The reason why Americans never commit murder is that they know they will be caught, tried, and executed.
I can't believe I have to explain this.
 
2017-03-20 09:58:23 PM  

RINO: cfreak: Cases like this make me so angry. I wish as a society we could collectively realize that some dude who goes on a rampage and kills three people has mental health issues. Instead the death penalty proponents have another case to point to where the defendant "needed a good killing"

Of course we can all bow our heads and thank St. Reagan for destroying the mental health system in this country so that such clusterfarks can happen in the first place.

/ also no matter how despicable this guy is, the governor needs to let the court system do its job.

If by "mental health system", you actually mean "torture factories". Asylums were places you stuck the undesirables to keep them out of sight, not to treat them. Reagan gets blamed, but he was convinced to do it by the ACLU, who crusader to put these places out of business. Places like Willowbrook where they were basically warehoused "living in filth and dirt, their clothing in rags, in rooms less comfortable and cheerful than the cages in which we put animals in a zoo". Or like Kenneth Donaldson, who spent FIFTEEN YEARS held in a mental hospital without ever being treated.


Which were being cleaned up before Reagan took office, according to your own two examples. Carter signed a law that would have reformed the system and helped fight mental illness. Reagan repealed it as soon as he took office.  Where have those people gone? To the streets, and if they are minorities, they end up in prison.

Good thing the GOP has made it easier for these folks to get guns!
 
2017-03-20 09:58:29 PM  

cfreak: Cases like this make me so angry. I wish as a society we could collectively realize that some dude who goes on a rampage and kills three people has mental health issues. Instead the death penalty proponents have another case to point to where the defendant "needed a good killing"

Of course we can all bow our heads and thank St. Reagan for destroying the mental health system in this country so that such clusterfarks can happen in the first place.

/ also no matter how despicable this guy is, the governor needs to let the court system do its job.


Not all people who kill people like that are insane.  This guy has a lot of issues, I think he does need mental help, I also don't think there is a point in attempting rehabilitation.  Do I think he should get death penalty though?  No.  He should stay in jail the rest of his life.

I think the death penalty should be reserved for the Dahmer's of the world, the Timothy McVeighs.  Two completely different kinds of killers, but equally as cold.
 
2017-03-20 10:03:58 PM  

IvanTheSilent: TheLogicAvenger: kbronsito: So the governor is demanding that the death penalty be sought before a competency hearing? Shouldn't that hearing play a pivotal role to make that determination? How isn't this a gross perversion of justice and our legal syst... Oh Florida tag.

Shouldnt'r the prosecutor do the same before declairing she isn't seeking the death penalty?

Why? When seeking the death penalty, there is a significant risk of wrongly killing someone if you don't dot all of your I's and cross your T's.  If you don't seek the penalty then the risk of a wrongful execution disappears.

The only thing I could even remotely agree with is a competency hearing should be completed to see of there is a need for a trial at all. Then decide if you plan on pursuing the death penalty.


There isn't a doubt if his guilt.  I agree there are cases where it went wrong, this isn't one of these cases.
 
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