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(CTV News)   Syria: Hey Russia, how can we make the Syrians' lives even more miserable? Russia: Well here's an idea - let's start blowing up hospitals   ( ctvnews.ca) divider line
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2017-03-20 07:59:02 AM  
*Insert Deep Male Russian Accent*
"Is it really war crime if there is no declaration of war? We just wonder. In meantime, we take care of situation."
 
2017-03-20 08:16:40 AM  
Does this cross the red line?
 
2017-03-20 08:25:59 AM  
Make the Syrians drink Russian vodak?
 
2017-03-20 08:30:26 AM  
Violence to prevent healthcare? Let's not be giving anyone ideas.
 
2017-03-20 08:30:59 AM  

BalugaJoe: Does this cross the red line?


The good news is, now we have a president with decades of experience in red-lining and holding them firm.  The Syrians will never be able to get a loan outside of Harlem!


...... Waitaminute
 
2017-03-20 08:31:34 AM  
I'm kind of torn on this.  Terrorists should feel there is no safe haven for them to regroup or hide or run operations from.

I don't like the idea of blowing up hospitals but if that's where they are then what else you gonna do send them a candy gram?
 
2017-03-20 08:31:37 AM  

edmo: Violence to prevent healthcare? Let's not be giving anyone ideas.


Eric Rudolph demands credit for using his ideas.
 
2017-03-20 08:32:24 AM  
Start?
 
2017-03-20 08:33:07 AM  
I thought that was the USA's gig.
 
2017-03-20 08:36:29 AM  

1nsanilicious: I'm kind of torn on this.  Terrorists should feel there is no safe haven for them to regroup or hide or run operations from.

I don't like the idea of blowing up hospitals but if that's where they are then what else you gonna do send them a candy gram?


this is why war is hell and should not be entered into lightly.  I am of similar opinion, if you go to war, then go to war.  No half measures.  Full on assault.  Save innocent lives when you can, but at the end of the day, kill the enemy and try not to make new ones. An enemy should know when it is beaten.
 
2017-03-20 08:36:39 AM  
I decided to do a quick search on gay rights in Syria. It's a good barometer.

I don't know why I thought I might find something remotely ok. Fark Syria. God is calling all of these people home. Or that's what they can believe.
 
2017-03-20 08:37:32 AM  

vudukungfu: I thought that was the USA's gig.


Not exclusively.  We do weddings as well.
 
2017-03-20 08:39:10 AM  

hubiestubert: *Insert Deep Male Russian Accent*
"Is it really war crime if there is no declaration of war? We just wonder. In meantime, we take care of situation."


Yes.

If you ratified the Geneva convention it is clear defined as a war or Armed Conflict.

Not that anything will come of this.  The Syrian regime has already had charges leveled at it.  Nobody is going to start WW3 by leveling charges at Russia.  Until WW3 happens to charges will be filed, and then Syria would be tacked on as bonus charges.
 
2017-03-20 08:39:53 AM  

1nsanilicious: I'm kind of torn on this.  Terrorists should feel there is no safe haven for them to regroup or hide or run operations from.

I don't like the idea of blowing up hospitals but if that's where they are then what else you gonna do send them a candy gram?


This is bait.
 
2017-03-20 08:40:50 AM  
Start? Where have you been subby?
 
2017-03-20 08:41:32 AM  

Hyjamon: 1nsanilicious: I'm kind of torn on this.  Terrorists should feel there is no safe haven for them to regroup or hide or run operations from.

I don't like the idea of blowing up hospitals but if that's where they are then what else you gonna do send them a candy gram?

this is why war is hell and should not be entered into lightly.  I am of similar opinion, if you go to war, then go to war.  No half measures.  Full on assault.  Save innocent lives when you can, but at the end of the day, kill the enemy and try not to make new ones. An enemy should know when it is beaten.


There are fewer more effective ways to create enemies than blowing up a building full of injured noncombatants.
 
2017-03-20 08:42:49 AM  

1nsanilicious: I'm kind of torn on this.  Terrorists should feel there is no safe haven for them to regroup or hide or run operations from.

I don't like the idea of blowing up hospitals but if that's where they are then what else you gonna do send them a candy gram?


Blowing up a hospital, thereby harming patients and depriving the populace of health care services, in order to get a few terrorists who might be in there is going to do more harm than good in the long run.

Unless we're talking about welfare cheats.  Then by all means, let's do away with Medicaid and Medicare because LaQueefa is ordering lobster in the maternity ward again.
 
2017-03-20 08:43:41 AM  

Sin'sHero: Make the Syrians drink Russian vodak?


my favorite:
img.fark.netIt tastes ok, even better when right out of the freezer, AND it's a cool bottle too.
oh and it's cheaper than most of the big name brands.

/although I don't drink anymore... but still.
 
2017-03-20 08:44:05 AM  
Meh, doesn`t matter, somehow everyone involved will find a way to blame this on the West.
 
2017-03-20 08:45:49 AM  

1nsanilicious: I'm kind of torn on this.  Terrorists should feel there is no safe haven for them to regroup or hide or run operations from.

I don't like the idea of blowing up hospitals but if that's where they are then what else you gonna do send them a candy gram?


Yeah, fark all the innocent people that will get killed! They shouldn't have allowed terrorists to hide there.

\Russia's taking a page from the Israeli playbook
 
2017-03-20 08:45:51 AM  

Tyrosine: Meh, doesn`t matter, somehow everyone involved will find a way to blame this on the West.


Is Russia (the primary arms dealer for Assad and country preventing any UN action against their favorite client) considered part of the West?
 
2017-03-20 08:46:47 AM  

Hyjamon: 1nsanilicious: I'm kind of torn on this.  Terrorists should feel there is no safe haven for them to regroup or hide or run operations from.

I don't like the idea of blowing up hospitals but if that's where they are then what else you gonna do send them a candy gram?

this is why war is hell and should not be entered into lightly.  I am of similar opinion, if you go to war, then go to war.  No half measures.  Full on assault.  Save innocent lives when you can, but at the end of the day, kill the enemy and try not to make new ones. An enemy should know when it is beaten.


Yeah....that only works when you have an enemy that has something to lose by being beaten.
 
2017-03-20 08:46:59 AM  

GoldSpider: 1nsanilicious: I'm kind of torn on this.  Terrorists should feel there is no safe haven for them to regroup or hide or run operations from.

I don't like the idea of blowing up hospitals but if that's where they are then what else you gonna do send them a candy gram?

This is bait.


Why? Are you saying Terrorists should be able to enjoy the protection of hiding in hospitals and religious buildings?
 
2017-03-20 08:48:45 AM  
let's start blowing up hospitals

Start?
 
2017-03-20 08:53:15 AM  
Hospitals treat soldiers and make them capable of fighting again.  Should be the first thing blown up.  Then ambulances and stretchers and finally those pesty corpsmen that treat the wounds.  Disrupt the entire soldier supply line.

If you think this war will go on for a few decades, you might want to blow up a kindergarten or two.  Giving them a pass might come back to bite you in the butt in 10 years.
 
2017-03-20 08:54:02 AM  

1nsanilicious: I'm kind of torn on this.  Terrorists should feel there is no safe haven for them to regroup or hide or run operations from.

I don't like the idea of blowing up hospitals but if that's where they are then what else you gonna do send them a candy gram?


It's such a morally difficult war.

One side is backed by fundamentalist islamic terrorists who want a caliphate. The other is backed by a brutal dictator who's not afraid of gassing his own people. The terrorists happen to fight against the same enemy as the nominal good-guys in the scenario, but they also want to ethnically cleanse the Alawites and Syrian Christians.

And this is before we even consider the Kurds and how Turkey perceives them.

It's a nasty, brutal war where everyone is bad guys, but all the bad guys are also supporting good guys. It's like WWI, writ small.
 
2017-03-20 08:56:08 AM  

Parthenogenetic: Blowing up a hospital, thereby harming patients and depriving the populace of health care services, in order to get a few terrorists who might be in there is going to do more harm than good in the long run.


I think the goal of both sides is to ethnically cleanse ("politically correct", if you prefer; it has the same result) their opponents and end the war for good.

In that context, there's no downside to blowing up hospitals. You intend to eliminate the populous anyway. This was basically how WWII went.
 
2017-03-20 09:01:58 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: 1nsanilicious: I'm kind of torn on this.  Terrorists should feel there is no safe haven for them to regroup or hide or run operations from.

I don't like the idea of blowing up hospitals but if that's where they are then what else you gonna do send them a candy gram?

Yeah, fark all the innocent people that will get killed! They shouldn't have allowed terrorists to hide there.

\Russia's taking a page from the Israeli playbook


Tyrone Slothrop    (favorite: [Anti-Semite])

You live up to your tag quite well.
 
2017-03-20 09:02:04 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: Hospitals treat soldiers and make them capable of fighting again.  Should be the first thing blown up.  Then ambulances and stretchers and finally those pesty corpsmen that treat the wounds.  Disrupt the entire soldier supply line.

If you think this war will go on for a few decades, you might want to blow up a kindergarten or two.  Giving them a pass might come back to bite you in the butt in 10 years.


This is a terrible idea.

Because it doesn't go far enough.  Warfighters can't fight without civilians producing food, clothing, medicine, and weapons.  We need to go all "I'm in ur base killin ur d00ds" and destroy the means of production that fuels the engine of war.  The d00ds are noncombatants only in the sense that they aren't actually shooting - they are just as responsible for waging war as the troops on the front line.  Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out.

img.fark.net
 
2017-03-20 09:05:04 AM  

Parthenogenetic: Harry Freakstorm: Hospitals treat soldiers and make them capable of fighting again.  Should be the first thing blown up.  Then ambulances and stretchers and finally those pesty corpsmen that treat the wounds.  Disrupt the entire soldier supply line.

If you think this war will go on for a few decades, you might want to blow up a kindergarten or two.  Giving them a pass might come back to bite you in the butt in 10 years.

This is a terrible idea.

Because it doesn't go far enough.  Warfighters can't fight without civilians producing food, clothing, medicine, and weapons.  We need to go all "I'm in ur base killin ur d00ds" and destroy the means of production that fuels the engine of war.  The d00ds are noncombatants only in the sense that they aren't actually shooting - they are just as responsible for waging war as the troops on the front line.  Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out.

[img.fark.net image 167x250]


Don't give the Orange Oreo any ideas.
 
2017-03-20 09:06:10 AM  
If anyone wonders about the horrors being experienced by the Syrians, watch Cries From Syria. It'll give you a different perspective and you'll want to have a box of tissues handy because you'll have dust in your eyes for at least two hours. Another is The White Helmets on Netflix. Those are the kinds of people we should aspire to be.
 
2017-03-20 09:09:49 AM  

1nsanilicious: I'm kind of torn on this.  Terrorists should feel there is no safe haven for them to regroup or hide or run operations from.

I don't like the idea of blowing up hospitals but if that's where they are then what else you gonna do send them a candy gram?


You spelled civilians wrong.

And this tactic is hardly new in Syria, it's been going on for quite a while.
 
2017-03-20 09:10:37 AM  
"let's start" ? they've been doing it on a regular basis for some time now.
 
2017-03-20 09:12:59 AM  
The longer this goes on the more I'm reminded of the wise words of W.O.P.R.
 
2017-03-20 09:13:18 AM  
yep new cold war is coming along just fine!
 
2017-03-20 09:15:55 AM  
What the ever living fark. People are advocating FOR bombing civilian hospitals in this thread because there may be an incapacitated foreign fighter there?

arewethebaddies.gif
 
2017-03-20 09:20:24 AM  

CowardlyLion: Tyrosine: Meh, doesn`t matter, somehow everyone involved will find a way to blame this on the West.

Is Russia (the primary arms dealer for Assad and country preventing any UN action against their favorite client) considered part of the West?


I`ve just run across a number of news articles lately (mainstream, neither Mother Jones nor Alex Jones types) that seem to think Western powers are to blame either by wrong action or inaction.
Here`s an example: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/aleppo-la​test-syria-civil-war-battle-bashar-al-assad-russia-us-uk-a7472851.html
 
2017-03-20 09:20:28 AM  

vudukungfu: I thought that was the USA's gig.


Fear and self-loathing in Las Vegas

i.imgur.com
 
2017-03-20 09:23:56 AM  

1nsanilicious: I'm kind of torn on this.  Terrorists should feel there is no safe haven for them to regroup or hide or run operations from.

I don't like the idea of blowing up hospitals but if that's where they are then what else you gonna do send them a candy gram?


Only if it is a candy-gram for Mondo.

/blazingsaddles.gif
 
2017-03-20 09:30:25 AM  

DORMAMU: 1nsanilicious: I'm kind of torn on this.  Terrorists should feel there is no safe haven for them to regroup or hide or run operations from.

I don't like the idea of blowing up hospitals but if that's where they are then what else you gonna do send them a candy gram?

Only if it is a candy-gram for Mondo.

/blazingsaddles.gif


i5.walmartimages.com
 
2017-03-20 09:32:52 AM  

Hyjamon: 1nsanilicious: I'm kind of torn on this.  Terrorists should feel there is no safe haven for them to regroup or hide or run operations from.

I don't like the idea of blowing up hospitals but if that's where they are then what else you gonna do send them a candy gram?

this is why war is hell and should not be entered into lightly.  I am of similar opinion, if you go to war, then go to war.  No half measures.  Full on assault.  Save innocent lives when you can, but at the end of the day, kill the enemy and try not to make new ones. An enemy should know when it is beaten.


So I presume that you are an advocate of a 'scorched earth' policy then a la 'Operation Rolling Thunder'?
 
2017-03-20 09:34:25 AM  
If they'd just give unconscionable tax breaks to individuals making more than $250,000, the US will be able to avoid the destruction of hospitals and doctors, locally, by aerial bombardment. TrumpCares®
 
2017-03-20 09:36:19 AM  

edmo: Violence to prevent healthcare? Let's not be giving anyone ideas.


Ha!

There are still medical services available in Syria, therefore the Syrian people do have access to care.  Chessmake, libertardos!
 
Juc
2017-03-20 09:36:57 AM  
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v1_rul_rule35
If you need to get rid of bad guys in a hospital, hand-wringing is the accepted method of getting them out.
Or I guess you could wait for them to die of natural causes.
I think worst case is send in grunts, but blowing the whole thing up doesn't look good by any stretch.
 
2017-03-20 09:41:37 AM  

1nsanilicious: I'm kind of torn on this.  Terrorists should feel there is no safe haven for them to regroup or hide or run operations from.

I don't like the idea of blowing up hospitals but if that's where they are then what else you gonna do send them a candy gram?


They're not targeting hospitals because terrorists are in them, they're targeting them to make even more miserable and demoralize everyone to the point that they'd give up their own mother to make the fighting stop.

They're hitting hospitals outside of active conflict areas.
 
2017-03-20 09:43:55 AM  

Tyrosine: CowardlyLion: Tyrosine: Meh, doesn`t matter, somehow everyone involved will find a way to blame this on the West.

Is Russia (the primary arms dealer for Assad and country preventing any UN action against their favorite client) considered part of the West?

I`ve just run across a number of news articles lately (mainstream, neither Mother Jones nor Alex Jones types) that seem to think Western powers are to blame either by wrong action or inaction.
Here`s an example: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/aleppo-la​test-syria-civil-war-battle-bashar-al-assad-russia-us-uk-a7472851.html​


I think you're misinterpreting things--the article you linked says that the West shares the blame. Which it does. When it comes to world conflicts, there's rarely (if ever?) a single Bad Guy who's entirely responsible for the problem. So, yeah, Assad may be the worst in this scenario and Russia is a close second, but major Western powers have, in various ways, contributed to/helped create/exacerbate the whole situation.
 
2017-03-20 09:44:34 AM  

stirfrybry: GoldSpider: 1nsanilicious: I'm kind of torn on this.  Terrorists should feel there is no safe haven for them to regroup or hide or run operations from.

I don't like the idea of blowing up hospitals but if that's where they are then what else you gonna do send them a candy gram?

This is bait.

Why? Are you saying Terrorists should be able to enjoy the protection of hiding in hospitals and religious buildings?


Yes
 
2017-03-20 09:46:14 AM  

This text is now purple: 1nsanilicious: I'm kind of torn on this.  Terrorists should feel there is no safe haven for them to regroup or hide or run operations from.

I don't like the idea of blowing up hospitals but if that's where they are then what else you gonna do send them a candy gram?

It's such a morally difficult war.

One side is backed by fundamentalist islamic terrorists who want a caliphate. The other is backed by a brutal dictator who's not afraid of gassing his own people. The terrorists happen to fight against the same enemy as the nominal good-guys in the scenario, but they also want to ethnically cleanse the Alawites and Syrian Christians.

And this is before we even consider the Kurds and how Turkey perceives them.

It's a nasty, brutal war where everyone is bad guys, but all the bad guys are also supporting good guys. It's like WWI, writ small.


It's not even close to as black and white as that.
 
2017-03-20 09:56:02 AM  
So we're cheering for Russia bombing terrorists by blowing up hospitals now? Am I the only one confused by this war? I remember that Bashar al-Assad is a bad guy supported by Iran, Hezbollah, and Russia. A rebellion against his rule started with the support of the House of Saud. We jumped in on the Saudi side because we always do; see Yemen for another example. Al-Assad is an Alawite who protects shiites and Christians. The guys we support are Sunnis. Some of the Sunnis fighting against al-Assad are a bit too Sunni; so we started bombing them like our recent strikes on Aleppo. Now that the Russians are bombing the same people we're bombing, does this mean we are on the same side? It is not easy for me to think of Hezbollah as an ally, but facts are facts.
I know that I am omitting seven or eight other players, but my oversimplification is too much for my mind already.
 
2017-03-20 10:02:09 AM  
I understand that sometimes you have to go to war. I understand that war is hell and innocent people often get caught in the crossfire. What I don't understand is when the so-called "good guys" stoop to the level of the alleged "bad guys" in order to win. These people are no real threat to the west, at least not existentially. We could level their entire region in a day and wipe their culture off the map if we so desired. As such we can afford to take the moral high ground if for no other reason than to announce to the world that we are not willing to become the enemy to defeat the enemy.

I'm certain I'm just being an idealistic idiot. But it seems to me that if you must go to war then you should do so with the intent of treating your enemy with more humanity than they would treat you. Lead by example.
 
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