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(CNN)   Germany's defense minister to Trump: You know NATO doesn't work like that, right?   ( cnn.com) divider line
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2017-03-20 03:39:56 AM  
No. No, he doesn't.

He just knows he's Leader of the Free World.
 
2017-03-20 03:41:36 AM  
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2017-03-20 03:42:07 AM  
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2017-03-20 03:43:06 AM  
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2017-03-20 04:25:29 AM  
As long as they aren't counting non-defense spending on overseas projects.  Which is very important but not necessarily relevant to NATO's mission right now.

All we have to do is limit our participation and they will step up anyway, because they are sitting in the crosshairs more than we are.
 
2017-03-20 04:35:52 AM  
I'm fairly certain, at this point, that Trump hears "You know [x] doesn't work like that, right?" an awful lot.
 
2017-03-20 04:39:10 AM  
Spicer: When Mr. Trump said Europe should pay us back, he meant it seriously, but not literally. Also, the word "pay" was in "quotes", you just couldn't "see" them.
 
2017-03-20 04:39:51 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: I'm fairly certain, at this point, that Trump hears "You know [x] doesn't work like that, right?" an awful lot.


I don't think he does.

Say shiat he doesn't like and you'll be fired for it.
 
2017-03-20 04:40:51 AM  
Trump doesn't understand how a lot of things work.
 
2017-03-20 04:46:27 AM  
CNN's blasting blaring autoplay is unf*ckingacceptable.
 
2017-03-20 04:48:34 AM  
"You know NATO doesn't work like that, right?"
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2017-03-20 04:51:05 AM  

OooShiny: CNN's blasting blaring autoplay is unf*ckingacceptable.


If you use Firefox get the addon called Flashstopper, works great for killing videos.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/flashstopper/
 
2017-03-20 05:19:11 AM  
Welp, if it's one thing Trump likes, it's being corrected by women.
 
2017-03-20 05:19:34 AM  
This is how I feel most days since November, and it is only getting worse...

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2017-03-20 05:25:54 AM  

Animatronik: As long as they aren't counting non-defense spending on overseas projects.  Which is very important but not necessarily relevant to NATO's mission right now.

All we have to do is limit our participation and they will step up anyway, because they are sitting in the crosshairs more than we are.


Considering most of our operations in Africa and the Middle East transition through Germany, I don't think you've thought your cunning plan through.
 
2017-03-20 05:25:59 AM  
It's ok, his supporters don't know how NATO works either.
 
2017-03-20 05:38:01 AM  
Trump's just pissed because someone told him NATO stands for "Not Another Trump Organization."
 
2017-03-20 05:43:29 AM  
England and Germany are our two big allies in Europe.  In England the populace basically guaranteed that Trump will never have a state visit with the Queen or see again the inside of the House of Lords, and he's just recently sorely pissed off Angela Merkel.  And he's totally disarmed and deconstructed the state department, the best weapon we had against russian expansionism.

Trump is weakening us to benefit himself.
 
2017-03-20 05:44:24 AM  

Cpl.D: England and Germany are our two big allies in Europe.  In England the populace basically guaranteed that Trump will never have a state visit with the Queen or see again the inside of the House of Lords, and he's just recently sorely pissed off Angela Merkel.  And he's totally disarmed and deconstructed the state department, the best weapon we had against russian expansionism.

Trump is weakening us to benefit himself.


And/or Putin.  Which should be enough to lock him up.
 
2017-03-20 05:48:49 AM  

Summoner101: Animatronik: As long as they aren't counting non-defense spending on overseas projects.  Which is very important but not necessarily relevant to NATO's mission right now.

All we have to do is limit our participation and they will step up anyway, because they are sitting in the crosshairs more than we are.

Considering most of our operations in Africa and the Middle East transition through Germany, I don't think you've thought your cunning plan through.


Thinking in extremes. We won't be leaving Germany because they want us there.
 
2017-03-20 05:49:41 AM  
Is CNN just a mouthpiece for the White house now? They did not explicitly point out the problem with the President's claim.

NATO members are supposed to spend 2% of their GDP on defense, as defined in the NATO treaty. That does not mean they send 2% of their budget to a NATO bank account. it means they spend 2% on activities that the NATO treaty supports.

They don't even have to spend it on military stuff. Article 2 is about supporting and promoting democratic institutions around the world, but especially in other NATO countries. So, for example, funding a human rights court, elections oversight, exchange programs for bureaucrats to learn about other countries' governments, and distributing political theory textbooks to high schools, can all conceivably help to meet the obligations.

The treaty also references the UN. So UN stuff counts, too.
 
2017-03-20 05:57:34 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: Is CNN just a mouthpiece for the White house now? They did not explicitly point out the problem with the President's claim.

NATO members are supposed to spend 2% of their GDP on defense, as defined in the NATO treaty. That does not mean they send 2% of their budget to a NATO bank account. it means they spend 2% on activities that the NATO treaty supports.

They don't even have to spend it on military stuff. Article 2 is about supporting and promoting democratic institutions around the world, but especially in other NATO countries. So, for example, funding a human rights court, elections oversight, exchange programs for bureaucrats to learn about other countries' governments, and distributing political theory textbooks to high schools, can all conceivably help to meet the obligations.

The treaty also references the UN. So UN stuff counts, too.


And they're supposed to reach the 2% by 2024, not by yesterday.

Trumpy's just looking for someone with cash to pay for his wall. What an asshole.
 
2017-03-20 06:04:24 AM  
No one knows how NATO works.
 
2017-03-20 06:07:13 AM  

Animatronik: Summoner101: Animatronik: As long as they aren't counting non-defense spending on overseas projects.  Which is very important but not necessarily relevant to NATO's mission right now.

All we have to do is limit our participation and they will step up anyway, because they are sitting in the crosshairs more than we are.

Considering most of our operations in Africa and the Middle East transition through Germany, I don't think you've thought your cunning plan through.

Thinking in extremes. We won't be leaving Germany because they want us there.


Yeah - but as usual, Trump's claims are false and misinformed to begin with. Everybody in NATO is currently paying their way, as per the ACTUAL AGREEMENTS MADE. All the rest is just excrement from Trump's moronic mouth into his retarded follower's ears.
A circus clown with a chorus of mindless human dogs to back him up - disgraceful and sad.
 
2017-03-20 06:11:08 AM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: It's ok, his supporters don't know how NATO works either.


His supporters would struggle to spell NATO.
 
2017-03-20 06:11:18 AM  

Deep Contact: No one knows how NATO works.


Please don't project your failings on the rest of the class.
 
2017-03-20 06:14:28 AM  

jso2897: Animatronik: Summoner101: Animatronik: As long as they aren't counting non-defense spending on overseas projects.  Which is very important but not necessarily relevant to NATO's mission right now.

All we have to do is limit our participation and they will step up anyway, because they are sitting in the crosshairs more than we are.

Considering most of our operations in Africa and the Middle East transition through Germany, I don't think you've thought your cunning plan through.

Thinking in extremes. We won't be leaving Germany because they want us there.

Yeah - but as usual, Trump's claims are false and misinformed to begin with. Everybody in NATO is currently paying their way, as per the ACTUAL AGREEMENTS MADE. All the rest is just excrement from Trump's moronic mouth into his retarded follower's ears.
A circus clown with a chorus of mindless human dogs to back him up - disgraceful and sad.


Well if his thinking would lead to spending less and investing our defense dollars differently and asking Germany to pick up certain activities we currently spend money on, I could see a benefit.
  But it's not going to lead to those things.  Not sure what he's getting at other than repeating campaign buzz.
 
2017-03-20 06:18:53 AM  

Harry_Seldon: This is how I feel most days since November, and it is only getting worse...

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You don't need to dress up for work?
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2017-03-20 06:24:28 AM  

Animatronik: jso2897: Animatronik: Summoner101: Animatronik: As long as they aren't counting non-defense spending on overseas projects.  Which is very important but not necessarily relevant to NATO's mission right now.

All we have to do is limit our participation and they will step up anyway, because they are sitting in the crosshairs more than we are.

Considering most of our operations in Africa and the Middle East transition through Germany, I don't think you've thought your cunning plan through.

Thinking in extremes. We won't be leaving Germany because they want us there.

Yeah - but as usual, Trump's claims are false and misinformed to begin with. Everybody in NATO is currently paying their way, as per the ACTUAL AGREEMENTS MADE. All the rest is just excrement from Trump's moronic mouth into his retarded follower's ears.
A circus clown with a chorus of mindless human dogs to back him up - disgraceful and sad.

Well if his thinking would lead to spending less and investing our defense dollars differently and asking Germany to pick up certain activities we currently spend money on, I could see a benefit.
  But it's not going to lead to those things.  Not sure what he's getting at other than repeating campaign buzz.


What in God's name would suggest to you that Trump is "getting at" anything?
None of the words that come from the man's mouth have ever meant anything - not in politics, business, or life. Why start looking for meaning at this point?
Like all authoritarians, Trump thinks having power is enough.
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2017-03-20 06:31:40 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: NATO members are supposed to spend 2% of their GDP on defense, as defined in the NATO treaty. That does not mean they send 2% of their budget to a NATO bank account. it means they spend 2% on activities that the NATO treaty supports.


The President not only doesn't know that, he tweeted to the whole farking world that he doesn't know it while simultaneously behaving like a petulant jackass to the German chancellor again while the whole world was watching.

We have a problem.
 
2017-03-20 06:31:49 AM  
Nobody knew that international defense treaties could be so complicated.
 
2017-03-20 06:32:20 AM  

Alphax: Cpl.D: England and Germany are our two big allies in Europe.  In England the populace basically guaranteed that Trump will never have a state visit with the Queen or see again the inside of the House of Lords, and he's just recently sorely pissed off Angela Merkel.  And he's totally disarmed and deconstructed the state department, the best weapon we had against russian expansionism.

Trump is weakening us to benefit himself.

And/or Putin.  Which should be enough to lock him up.


And by the time the public wake up and get something done about it, it will be too late.
 
2017-03-20 06:34:35 AM  

Cpl.D: England and Germany are our two big allies in Europe.  In England the populace basically guaranteed that Trump will never have a state visit with the Queen or see again the inside of the House of Lords, and he's just recently sorely pissed off Angela Merkel.  And he's totally disarmed and deconstructed the state department, the best weapon we had against russian expansionism.

Trump is weakening us to benefit himself.


Conservatives kept brushing off that Putin clearly wanted Trump to win. "He wants Hillary to win," they said, contrary to all evidence, "Trump will be his worst nightmare."

Bullshiat. Putin couldn't have hoped for better. Trump is destroying the US and he's using the GOP to do it. Putin is so gleeful that it worked out this way. It wouldn't have been as satisfying using the Democratic Party to do it.
 
2017-03-20 06:36:25 AM  

luckyeddie: Spanky_McFarksalot: It's ok, his supporters don't know how NATO works either.

His supporters would struggle to spell NATO.


You mean, like the French?

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2017-03-20 06:45:09 AM  

Animatronik: Thinking in extremes. We won't be leaving Germany because they want us there.


How long do you think that will last with Trump opening his mouth every couple of days?  We're not exactly deep into his term of office yet...
 
2017-03-20 06:46:43 AM  

Deep Contact: No one knows how NATO works.


"I love the poorly educated."
- Donald Trump.
 
2017-03-20 06:47:43 AM  
Ryan's bill comes up for a vote this week, right?

We shall see how much this suddenly matters or not, based on its passage and responses thereto.
 
2017-03-20 06:48:00 AM  

OooShiny: The President not only doesn't know that, he tweeted to the whole farking world that he doesn't know it while simultaneously behaving like a petulant jackass to the German chancellor again while the whole world was watching.


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2017-03-20 06:52:19 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Ryan's bill comes up for a vote this week, right?

We shall see how much this suddenly matters or not, based on its passage and responses thereto.


The bill everyone hates, so he threw it out there for a final vote?  A desperation move, indeed.

His last, best chance to fulfill his lifelong dream of denying health care to the poor.
 
2017-03-20 06:53:37 AM  

iron de havilland: Nobody knew that international defense treaties could be so complicated.


Pretty sure after a cup of good strong coffee, Donnie will be able to see things more clearly.
 
2017-03-20 06:57:00 AM  

Alphax: Gyrfalcon: Ryan's bill comes up for a vote this week, right?

We shall see how much this suddenly matters or not, based on its passage and responses thereto.

The bill everyone hates, so he threw it out there for a final vote?  A desperation move, indeed.

His last, best chance to fulfill his lifelong dream of denying health care to the poor.


That bill was every contemptible ALEC lobbyist's dream.  That thing has probably got more ejaculate on it than your first issue of Penthouse.  And Ryan looks like the moronic, servile stooge he is, trying to serve that shiat sandwich to everyone.
 
2017-03-20 07:13:25 AM  
During the campaign I thought that Trump was just regurgitating RW talking points to the masses as a cynical ploy to get elected.

Turns out he wasn't being cleverly cynically.

He actually believes that stuff.

What we're dealing with is basically a closed loop human centipede.

We're all doomed is my point here.

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2017-03-20 07:23:05 AM  
Great. Now we're pissing off Germany.

Do you want another Pearl Harbor? Because that's how you get anther Pearl Harbor.
 
2017-03-20 07:32:10 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Ryan's bill comes up for a vote this week, right?

We shall see how much this suddenly matters or not, based on its passage and responses thereto.


Thursday, IIRC
 
2017-03-20 07:54:57 AM  

phrawgh: Great. Now we're pissing off Germany.

Do you want another Pearl Harbor? Because that's how you get anther Pearl Harbor.


Nice veiled Animal House reference.  Bravo!

/Shaping up to be a great monday.
//Got a job offer.
///Finalizing salary.
 
2017-03-20 07:57:31 AM  

luckyeddie: Spanky_McFarksalot: It's ok, his supporters don't know how NATO works either.

His supporters would struggle to spell NATO.


It's hard to spell NATO when the teaching lady only taught them the letters U, S and A...
 
2017-03-20 08:02:36 AM  
Great, Donnie...once again...

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2017-03-20 08:05:04 AM  

Boo_Guy: OooShiny: CNN's blasting blaring autoplay is unf*ckingacceptable.

If you use Firefox get the addon called Flashstopper, works great for killing videos.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/flashstopper/


You don't need the addon. Go to "about:config" and set "media.autoplay.enabled" to "false"
 
2017-03-20 08:05:51 AM  
You know how else NATO doesn't work Herr Minister?  By not paying your fair share.

Back in 2001, Germany spent about 1.5% of its GDP on defense.  As of 2016 Germany spends about 1.19% of its GDP on defense.  This despite an agreement signed in 2006, and reiterated in 2014, to increase their defense spending.  They've actually lost ground.  And they have the unmitigated *GALL* to biatch about this?

No, it's not like they owe us in terms of dollars for *PAST* years. It's not like a membership fee that is in arrears, but we've been carrying countries like Germany and Canada (which only spends 0.99% on defense*) for *DECADES* now.   What they do owe every country in NATO is the defense capability represented by vast sums of money right now, because they aren't spending enough on defense to make their 2% commitment.

*Canada spent about 1.25% on defense back in 2001.  Like Germany, they've gotten worse, not better.
 
2017-03-20 08:10:22 AM  

dittybopper: You know how else NATO doesn't work Herr Minister?  By not paying your fair share.

Back in 2001, Germany spent about 1.5% of its GDP on defense.  As of 2016 Germany spends about 1.19% of its GDP on defense.  This despite an agreement signed in 2006, and reiterated in 2014, to increase their defense spending.  They've actually lost ground.  And they have the unmitigated *GALL* to biatch about this?

No, it's not like they owe us in terms of dollars for *PAST* years. It's not like a membership fee that is in arrears, but we've been carrying countries like Germany and Canada (which only spends 0.99% on defense*) for *DECADES* now.   What they do owe every country in NATO is the defense capability represented by vast sums of money right now, because they aren't spending enough on defense to make their 2% commitment.

*Canada spent about 1.25% on defense back in 2001.  Like Germany, they've gotten worse, not better.


True, but some of that isn't a nominal decrease in spending so much as a stagnation of spending while the economy improved. That, and Germany had to bail out the EU what is it, thrice now?

I'm not saying Europe's paying their fair share - they're not - but Germany is doing a lot for its NATO allies on the economic front.

/Basically, the reason they can afford single-payer is because we spent for defense.
 
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