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(Some Dolby Airhead) Audio Congratulations, the last patents on Dolby AC-3 have expired, so it's now legal to decode the audio from the original laserdisc of Star Wars: A New Hope   ( ac3freedomday.org) divider line
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Qel [TotalFark]
2017-03-20 12:28:28 AM  
I will pay, trade, donate money to someone who can burn me a copy.
 
2017-03-20 12:32:46 AM  

Qel: I will pay, trade, donate money to someone who can burn me a copy.


There's a entire bay of those LD rips if you look in the right place.
 
2017-03-20 12:34:26 AM  
Or it would be easier to go on ebay and get a panasonic LD player and the disks.
 
2017-03-20 12:59:33 AM  
Seems like just buying the digitally remastered 1080p version for $20 would be a better investment.

Laser disc was 480i if you had the "newer" model with S-video output.
 
2017-03-20 01:03:07 AM  

markie_farkie: Seems like just buying the digitally remastered 1080p version for $20 would be a better investment.

Laser disc was 480i if you had the "newer" model with S-video output.


I think the new remastered ones are special edition edits. And not the original release. The LD's were original release edits..and I think there was a 2000 or so Non blue ray DVD that was just a burn down of the LD print to DVD.
 
2017-03-20 05:50:23 AM  

Qel: I will pay, trade, donate money to someone who can burn me a copy.


I have them. They're up in the attic somewhere, along with the Pioneer CLD-704 Laserdisc Player.

Wow.. Just checked the prices of those on eBay. $100 for the set I have (Definitive Collection, Widescreen). Maybe it's time to unload them. They're just collecting dust anyway. :)
 
2017-03-20 05:56:00 AM  

optikeye: markie_farkie: Seems like just buying the digitally remastered 1080p version for $20 would be a better investment.

Laser disc was 480i if you had the "newer" model with S-video output.

I think the new remastered ones are special edition edits. And not the original release. The LD's were original release edits..and I think there was a 2000 or so Non blue ray DVD that was just a burn down of the LD print to DVD.


The bonus discs were the originals in the mid-2000 Special Editions iirc
 
2017-03-20 06:23:24 AM  
If only some devoted and highly skilled fans would do a high-quality digital remastering of the original trilogy to restore them to their full glory as they were first shown in the theater. They could call it, I don't know, the "despecialized edition" or something.
 
2017-03-20 07:06:16 AM  

RolfBlitzer: The bonus discs were the originals in the mid-2000 Special Editions iirc


You do remember correctly.
 
2017-03-20 08:46:39 AM  

SirSigsegV: If only some devoted and highly skilled fans would do a high-quality digital remastering of the original trilogy to restore them to their full glory as they were first shown in the theater. They could call it, I don't know, the "despecialized edition" or something.


If you really want the theatrical experience, you should get ahold of an original 35mm print of the film and convert it to a digital format, editing the footage only to clean up artifacts of aging.

Or you could find some group that has done this already. Too bad no such group exists.
 
2017-03-20 09:07:27 AM  
as someone who works in a second hand store I see these now and then.  They sell fast lol.
 
2017-03-20 09:46:21 AM  
Does this mean that Media Players like Infuse or MXPlayer will implement AC3?
 
2017-03-20 10:14:03 AM  
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2017-03-20 10:20:13 AM  

markie_farkie: Seems like just buying the digitally remastered 1080p version for $20 would be a better investment.

Laser disc was 480i if you had the "newer" model with S-video output.


One of my Pioneer LD players has an early type of component output. I wish I was home to take a photo of the back. It's a DB-9 connector.
 
2017-03-20 10:22:34 AM  

Dimensio: SirSigsegV: If only some devoted and highly skilled fans would do a high-quality digital remastering of the original trilogy to restore them to their full glory as they were first shown in the theater. They could call it, I don't know, the "despecialized edition" or something.

If you really want the theatrical experience, you should get ahold of an original 35mm print of the film and convert it to a digital format, editing the footage only to clean up artifacts of aging.

Or you could find some group that has done this already. Too bad no such group exists.


https://www.archives.gov/preservation/products/definitions/mopix-lab.​h​tml
 
2017-03-20 11:20:16 AM  
The article's writer seems to have a grudge against Dolby.  Yes, AC-3 is a lossy algorithm...it was never sold as lossless.  In its time, it was far better than other products, as sound test after sound test proved.

And yes, a company will do whatever it can to extend its patent protections.

Finally, the original Star Wars laserdisc offered Dolby Surround, not AC-3, which came out 4-5 years later.
 
2017-03-20 11:37:11 AM  
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2017-03-20 12:04:44 PM  

EasilyDistracted: The article's writer seems to have a grudge against Dolby.  Yes, AC-3 is a lossy algorithm...it was never sold as lossless.  In its time, it was far better than other products, as sound test after sound test proved.

And yes, a company will do whatever it can to extend its patent protections.

Finally, the original Star Wars laserdisc offered Dolby Surround, not AC-3, which came out 4-5 years later.


I came here to post this, but if I may be a little more pedantic, AC-3 actually appeared about 15 years after the first laserdiscs did, and still more than a decade after Star Wars on laserdisc did.  Also, you wouldn't want to rip the AC-3 track off of a Star Wars laserdisc anyway.  Here's a timeline:

1978 - Laserdiscs, branded by MCA as "DiscoVision" discs, first appear for public consumption in an Atlanta, Georgia, test market.  They have no digital audio whatsoever, only analog audio.

1985 - Laserdiscs with digital audio tracks first appear.  These are uncompressed 2-channel audio tracks, the same you find on music CDs.  The tracks can be used for mono, stereo and 2-channel Dolby Surround.

1992 - AC-3 audio appears in theaters.   Batman Returns is the first movie to offer AC-3.

1992/1993 - The best laserdisc editions of the original and nonspecialized Star Wars trilogy appear, first in a box set and then in individual releases.  The discs offer letterboxed video and digital 2-channel Dolby Surround audio.  These laserdisc editions were later recycled into the limited-edition DVD releases that offered both the specialized and nonspecialized versions of the movies, which explains why the nonspecialized versions were not framed for 16x9 and did not have 5.1 surround sound.

1995 - AC-3 appears on laserdiscs.  Clear and Present Danger is the first release.

1997 - Star Wars laserdiscs with AC-3 audio appear for the first time, in a box set of the Special Editions of the original trilogy.
 
2017-03-20 12:35:59 PM  
Hopefully, your laserdisc hasn't fallen victim to disc rot.
 
2017-03-20 01:27:24 PM  

Dimensio: SirSigsegV: If only some devoted and highly skilled fans would do a high-quality digital remastering of the original trilogy to restore them to their full glory as they were first shown in the theater. They could call it, I don't know, the "despecialized edition" or something.

If you really want the theatrical experience, you should get ahold of an original 35mm print of the film and convert it to a digital format, editing the footage only to clean up artifacts of aging.

Or you could find some group that has done this already. Too bad no such group exists.


Say what?!

http://boingboing.net/2016/02/18/scan-of-original-1977-35mm-pri.html

A 1080p copy of the original film scanned from 35mm film is already on Torrent sites. I've taken that and compressed it using AVCHD to burn it on a regular DVD that plays 1080p on almost any Blu-ray player and it looks great for what it is.
 
2017-03-20 01:34:17 PM  
Shouldn't the purists be demanding the original stereo mix?
 
2017-03-20 01:39:02 PM  

rooftop235: markie_farkie: Seems like just buying the digitally remastered 1080p version for $20 would be a better investment.

Laser disc was 480i if you had the "newer" model with S-video output.

One of my Pioneer LD players has an early type of component output. I wish I was home to take a photo of the back. It's a DB-9 connector.


You sure it isn't a 21 pin SCART connector?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCART
 
2017-03-20 02:26:57 PM  

jakedata: rooftop235: markie_farkie: Seems like just buying the digitally remastered 1080p version for $20 would be a better investment.

Laser disc was 480i if you had the "newer" model with S-video output.

One of my Pioneer LD players has an early type of component output. I wish I was home to take a photo of the back. It's a DB-9 connector.

You sure it isn't a 21 pin SCART connector?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCART


Yes, I am sure. I am in Atlanta and the unit is at my house in Orlando. Otherwise I would totes post a pic.
 
2017-03-20 02:33:57 PM  
Looked around online for one that looks like what I have in the closet. 
Pretty sure I nailed it on the head. But FOR SURE this is what the DB9 RGB plug looks like. 
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