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(Re/code)   Fark you, fark you, fark Uber, this isn't cool, I'm out   ( recode.net) divider line
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2017-03-20 03:18:45 AM  
Douchesitter decides he's had enough of the douche.
Can't say I blame him.
 
2017-03-20 03:55:29 AM  
This company sounds like the epitome of dysfunction at the executive level.
 
2017-03-20 03:59:40 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: This company sounds like the epitome of dysfunction at the executive level.


But hey, at least it's built on a business model that thrives on the exploitation of its "self-employed" workers and the violation of most local laws, right?
 
2017-03-20 04:39:27 AM  
Every time I see bad press about Uber, I smile.

I work primarily as a gate guard for gated communities. I've never had an issue with actual professional taxi or limo drivers, or even shuttles - they all understand I need to know where they're going and that I need to confirm they've permission to enter.

Uber and Lyft drivers are majority farkheads, who get pissed at me for doing my job, and often don't know the names of the person they're picking up, or can't figure out how to pull up the actual address...

...if the address is even correct because I've had multiple cases where the Uber app gives the wrong bloody address, and no I'm not going to call 6 different houses to figure out which is your farking fare you financially-illiterate boob!

And that's not getting into the smug libertarian idiots. One person I deal with regularly (sadly we've mutual friends) thinks that "disruption" is the best business model, because it sticks it to the established industries and the government, and all regulation is bad - and refuses to consider why the regulations were put in aside "preserving monopolies and existing businesses".

So every time I hear bad press about Uber

I smile.
 
2017-03-20 06:13:16 AM  

Summercat: refuses to consider why the regulations were put in aside "preserving monopolies and existing businesses".


Ask him where he lives, and how much sewage you can dump on his property...it's MUCH cheaper more disruptive than following proper job-killing disposal laws.
 
2017-03-20 06:15:02 AM  
What did you expect from a company that considers their employees "independent contractors?" I'm sure their business model was completely different 6 months ago when you joined on, and only recently became the menace it is.

Douchebag.
 
2017-03-20 06:16:37 AM  

Summercat: Every time I see bad press about Uber, I smile.

I work primarily as a gate guard for gated communities. I've never had an issue with actual professional taxi or limo drivers, or even shuttles - they all understand I need to know where they're going and that I need to confirm they've permission to enter.

Uber and Lyft drivers are majority farkheads, who get pissed at me for doing my job, and often don't know the names of the person they're picking up, or can't figure out how to pull up the actual address...

...if the address is even correct because I've had multiple cases where the Uber app gives the wrong bloody address, and no I'm not going to call 6 different houses to figure out which is your farking fare you financially-illiterate boob!

And that's not getting into the smug libertarian idiots. One person I deal with regularly (sadly we've mutual friends) thinks that "disruption" is the best business model, because it sticks it to the established industries and the government, and all regulation is bad - and refuses to consider why the regulations were put in aside "preserving monopolies and existing businesses".

So every time I hear bad press about Uber

I smile.


For some reason I picture you manning the gate in a fursuit.
 
2017-03-20 06:21:22 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: ecmoRandomNumbers: This company sounds like the epitome of dysfunction at the executive level.

But hey, at least it's built on a business model that thrives on the exploitation of its "self-employed" workers and the violation of most local laws, right?


Just imagine if someone tried to run a country like that.
 
2017-03-20 06:23:45 AM  

Archie Goodwin: Farking Clown Shoes: ecmoRandomNumbers: This company sounds like the epitome of dysfunction at the executive level.

But hey, at least it's built on a business model that thrives on the exploitation of its "self-employed" workers and the violation of most local laws, right?

Just imagine if someone tried to run a country like that.


Someone did. Now we have that song "Deutschland Uber Alles."

Not " Deutschland Lyft Alles."
 
2017-03-20 06:34:46 AM  
This just in: Executive hired to run company built and predicated on breaking the law leaves because he discovers it's "unethical."
 
2017-03-20 06:59:35 AM  

PunGent: Summercat: refuses to consider why the regulations were put in aside "preserving monopolies and existing businesses".

Ask him where he lives, and how much sewage you can dump on his property...it's MUCH cheaper more disruptive than following proper job-killing disposal laws.


His husband doesn't deserve to deal with that.

Satanic_Hamster: For some reason I picture you manning the gate in a fursuit.

 Its nice to know that your mental image of me is much more fun than reality.
Because in reality I can pass as a Prosperity Gospel Paulist Orange County Republican without really trying. I do not look fun!That said, if you know where to look, you can find a picture of my fursona in uniform. Can't link it here though. For reasons.
 
2017-03-20 06:59:54 AM  
Am I slow on the uptake (probably) or had anyone else noticed that there is a division of the company that is essentially designated, "UberAlles"?
 
2017-03-20 07:14:16 AM  
Don't let the door hit ya, where the good lord split ya.
 
2017-03-20 07:14:38 AM  
6 of us used Uber Sat. night to and from a show.  Seamless, 12 min. wait each way.  Completely positive experience.
 
2017-03-20 07:32:42 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: This company sounds like the epitome of dysfunction at the executive level.


They have nothing on my current nascent employer.
 
2017-03-20 07:35:04 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: 6 of us used Uber Sat. night to and from a show.  Seamless, 12 min. wait each way.  Completely positive experience.


You monster!
 
2017-03-20 07:36:21 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: 6 of us used Uber Sat. night to and from a show.  Seamless, 12 min. wait each way.  Completely positive experience.


You called a cab and it picked you up.
 
2017-03-20 07:44:27 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: ecmoRandomNumbers: This company sounds like the epitome of dysfunction at the executive level.

But hey, at least it's built on a business model that thrives on the exploitation of its "self-employed" workers and the violation of most local laws, right?


And despite that is highly loss-making with no credible business plan to achieve reliable profitability!

Where do I go to buy in?
 
2017-03-20 07:52:38 AM  
Uber Death Spiral, I love it.
 
2017-03-20 07:55:08 AM  

Curate's Keg: And despite that is highly loss-making with no credible business plan to achieve reliable profitability!


what.  aren't they located in ireland so they pay virtually no taxes and there's almost no overhead for them outside hosting servers.
 
2017-03-20 07:56:34 AM  
A lot of folks seem to be misreading the headline around the internet and think Travis Kalanick is stepping down.

It's not the CEO who's leaving, it's the president (essentially a COO), who was apparently about to be replaced anyhow because he doesn't get along with the CEO. Nothing will change at Uber. They're destined to become like Groupon or Zynga - not going away entirely, but clearly past their peak and on the rapid decline.
 
2017-03-20 08:14:58 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: This company sounds like the epitome of dysfunction at the executive level.


I've worked at a place like that. It was awful.

Our customers nicknamed us "Confusion Broadband" for a while. Upper management didn't like that and hired a marketing company to rebrand us for something like $200k. The rebranding didn't include any provisions for fixing the problems that led to our nickname.

Hilarity ensued (for me anyway) as the new name was related to a psychologists dog. Our tag line was something like "you ring, we respond." This was visible through the street-level glass front doors to our office. Also visible was sign taped to the door that said, "Doorbell broken, knock loud."
 
2017-03-20 08:19:34 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Summercat: Every time I see bad press about Uber, I smile.

I work primarily as a gate guard for gated communities. I've never had an issue with actual professional taxi or limo drivers, or even shuttles - they all understand I need to know where they're going and that I need to confirm they've permission to enter.

Uber and Lyft drivers are majority farkheads, who get pissed at me for doing my job, and often don't know the names of the person they're picking up, or can't figure out how to pull up the actual address...

...if the address is even correct because I've had multiple cases where the Uber app gives the wrong bloody address, and no I'm not going to call 6 different houses to figure out which is your farking fare you financially-illiterate boob!

And that's not getting into the smug libertarian idiots. One person I deal with regularly (sadly we've mutual friends) thinks that "disruption" is the best business model, because it sticks it to the established industries and the government, and all regulation is bad - and refuses to consider why the regulations were put in aside "preserving monopolies and existing businesses".

So every time I hear bad press about Uber

I smile.

For some reason I picture you manning the gate in a fursuit.


img.fark.net
 
2017-03-20 08:34:40 AM  
I hate how the article couches the situation initially:

Jeff Jones, the president of Uber, is quitting the car-hailing company after less than a year. The move by the No. 2 exec, said sources, is directly related to the multiple controversies there, including explosive charges of sexism and sexual harassment.

It doesn't really mention that he has nothing to do with the "explosive charges of sexism and sexual harassment," but has instead been trying desperately to fix the situation only to meet with resistance at all levels - indeed, I suspect that he was told to basically conform of fark off, and he's decided on the latter rather than risk his professional reputation on a company hell-bent on being the place where careers go to die.

Until Kalanick gets rid of the cancer at the heart of his company, there's no point in casting about for management - it's not management that's the problem. It's the diseased culture that Kalanick still believes makes Uber successful.
 
2017-03-20 08:38:03 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Zeb Hesselgresser: 6 of us used Uber Sat. night to and from a show.  Seamless, 12 min. wait each way.  Completely positive experience.

You called a cab and it picked you up.


Yeah, but they arrived at their destination unassaulted, which I guess is now the definition of success.
 
2017-03-20 08:45:04 AM  
Never used Uber and never will. When I need a driver, I will hire a professional, not some poor schmuck trying to make the power bill.

My wife had to go out of town last week and hired a limo to get her to and from the airport (40 miles away). The cost? $160 round trip. Seems like a lot, but it sure beat the hell out of driving to/from the airport in rush hour and even long term parking in the terminal parking deck can run $40/day. In in the end, it was a wash. A taxi would have been cheaper (not by much), but taxis here have become so scummy and none of the drivers speak English.
 
2017-03-20 08:59:04 AM  
Go back to Target with that "Independent Contractor" concept.

Welcome to Target, can I help you?  I can give you directions to one item for $1 or 3 items for $2.  If you download the Target App, you can get a 25% discount on future information requests.

Register 3 is now open.  For just 5% of your total purchase, you can get checked out through Register 3.  For those with less than 5 items, please see Register 1.  They offer a per item charge.
 
2017-03-20 09:04:10 AM  
Too bad the Donald is president. This would be a great time to bring him on board as CEO and rename the company to Trump Ride
 
2017-03-20 09:07:31 AM  
Well, call me crazy, but in Edmonton at least, there has been a marked difference in the way you get treated by regular taxi drivers, not to mention the late-night surcharge (Also known as the "fark you, we're the only game in town." fee) has mysteriously vanished...

One guy was telling me that the deal they get from taxi companies is essentially the same (i.e. cabbies are 'independent contractors' and thus are on the hook for their vehicles, insurance, gas, etc...) So it's now just a matter of which employment option gives them a better deal. Some cabbies have gone Uber, some Uber drivers want to get a cab license...so around these parts at least, there have been positive effects.
 
2017-03-20 09:09:17 AM  
Translation: Joined a company knowing they had severe ethical flaws.  Collected my bag of cash.  Leaving with bag of cash.  Penned open letter trashing their ethical flaws.

/What a hero
//This is my sarcastic font.
 
2017-03-20 09:10:10 AM  

Plant Rights Activist: Curate's Keg: And despite that is highly loss-making with no credible business plan to achieve reliable profitability!

what.  aren't they located in ireland so they pay virtually no taxes and there's almost no overhead for them outside hosting servers.


I think they meant for the "employees". Uber looks like a pyramid scheme or MLM where only the people who started the game get paid while everyone else involved pays in.
 
2017-03-20 09:15:52 AM  

SirMadness: One guy was telling me that the deal they get from taxi companies is essentially the same (i.e. cabbies are 'contractors' and thus are on the hook for their vehicles, insurance, gas, etc...) So it's now just a matter of which employment option gives them a better deal. Some cabbies have gone Uber, some Uber drivers want to get a cab license...so around these parts at least, there have been positive effects.


That's true in most places.  And Uber does indeed seem to be a company run by douchebags, but the competitor cab companies they're taking on generally make Louie DePalma look like a kind and progressive employer, with a side of political corruption thrown in just for fun.
 
2017-03-20 09:16:38 AM  

Ker_Thwap: Translation: Joined a company knowing they had severe ethical flaws.  Collected my bag of cash.  Leaving with bag of cash.  Penned open letter trashing their ethical flaws.

/What a hero
//This is my sarcastic font.


They hired him to address those flaws, but probably didn't mention that his hiring was just window dressing and PR.
 
2017-03-20 09:46:07 AM  

pastramithemosterotic: What did you expect from a company that considers their employees "independent contractors?" I'm sure their business model was completely different 6 months ago when you joined on, and only recently became the menace it is.


That's not unique to Uber though. I flirted with the idea of driving a cab in my spare time, and it functioned identically. I had to pay to "lease" the cab and then kept whatever I earned. I was an independent contractor.

Why Uber gets hate for it and cab companies don't is beyond me. It sucks for everyone, but only one company is getting shiat on for it.
 
2017-03-20 10:00:33 AM  

lexnaturalis: pastramithemosterotic: What did you expect from a company that considers their employees "independent contractors?" I'm sure their business model was completely different 6 months ago when you joined on, and only recently became the menace it is.

That's not unique to Uber though. I flirted with the idea of driving a cab in my spare time, and it functioned identically. I had to pay to "lease" the cab and then kept whatever I earned. I was an independent contractor.

Why Uber gets hate for it and cab companies don't is beyond me. It sucks for everyone, but only one company is getting shiat on for it.


I'm not sure how much press one could really generate by taking on the founder of Ben's Taxi Service vs. the billionaire that operates illegally and runs a division specifically designed to fark with police and elected officials in order to steal Ben's business.
 
2017-03-20 10:10:53 AM  

JackieRabbit: A taxi would have been cheaper (not by much), but taxis here have become so scummy and none of the drivers speak English.


Probably illegal aliens,

img.fark.net
 
2017-03-20 10:12:07 AM  

Summercat: Every time I see bad press about Uber, I smile.

I work primarily as a gate guard for gated communities. I've never had an issue with actual professional taxi or limo drivers, or even shuttles - they all understand I need to know where they're going and that I need to confirm they've permission to enter.

Uber and Lyft drivers are majority farkheads, who get pissed at me for doing my job, and often don't know the names of the person they're picking up, or can't figure out how to pull up the actual address...

...if the address is even correct because I've had multiple cases where the Uber app gives the wrong bloody address, and no I'm not going to call 6 different houses to figure out which is your farking fare you financially-illiterate boob!

And that's not getting into the smug libertarian idiots. One person I deal with regularly (sadly we've mutual friends) thinks that "disruption" is the best business model, because it sticks it to the established industries and the government, and all regulation is bad - and refuses to consider why the regulations were put in aside "preserving monopolies and existing businesses".

So every time I hear bad press about Uber

I smile.


I bet you smile every time you put on that cool uniform, and the badge and can of mace that give you so much power, too.
 
2017-03-20 10:16:25 AM  

lexnaturalis: pastramithemosterotic: What did you expect from a company that considers their employees "independent contractors?" I'm sure their business model was completely different 6 months ago when you joined on, and only recently became the menace it is.

That's not unique to Uber though. I flirted with the idea of driving a cab in my spare time, and it functioned identically. I had to pay to "lease" the cab and then kept whatever I earned. I was an independent contractor.

Why Uber gets hate for it and cab companies don't is beyond me. It sucks for everyone, but only one company is getting shiat on for it.


Cab drivers go through getting a cab license which has to be displayed where the passenger can see it. Uber does not. Cab drivers have to obey certain fare rules (also displayed prominently). Uber does not. No meter means it's harder to collect taxes. Uber is a gypsy cab type deal which is illegal pretty much everywhere because they don't have to follow the same rules as taxis. Asking your buddy to take you to the airport for some beer and gas money is one thing, Uber isn't that.
 
2017-03-20 10:19:20 AM  

jpo2269: Uber Death Spiral, I love it.


The name of my dead kennedys cover band, etc.
 
2017-03-20 10:19:32 AM  

jpo2269: Uber Death Spiral, I love it.


there's always Lyft plus the cat is out of the bag. I use Uber regularly but if they collapse there will be replacements ready and waiting.
 
2017-03-20 10:21:38 AM  

Radioactive Ass: lexnaturalis: pastramithemosterotic: What did you expect from a company that considers their employees "independent contractors?" I'm sure their business model was completely different 6 months ago when you joined on, and only recently became the menace it is.

That's not unique to Uber though. I flirted with the idea of driving a cab in my spare time, and it functioned identically. I had to pay to "lease" the cab and then kept whatever I earned. I was an independent contractor.

Why Uber gets hate for it and cab companies don't is beyond me. It sucks for everyone, but only one company is getting shiat on for it.

Cab drivers go through getting a cab license which has to be displayed where the passenger can see it. Uber does not. Cab drivers have to obey certain fare rules (also displayed prominently). Uber does not. No meter means it's harder to collect taxes. Uber is a gypsy cab type deal which is illegal pretty much everywhere because they don't have to follow the same rules as taxis. Asking your buddy to take you to the airport for some beer and gas money is one thing, Uber isn't that.


Cab drivers have a secret handshake. Uber does not.

img.fark.net
 
2017-03-20 10:24:37 AM  

idrow: HotWingConspiracy: Zeb Hesselgresser: 6 of us used Uber Sat. night to and from a show.  Seamless, 12 min. wait each way.  Completely positive experience.

You called a cab and it picked you up.

Yeah, but they arrived at their destination unassaulted, which I guess is now the definition of success.


Her in NorCal, with the freeway shootings and all, I call that a win.
 
2017-03-20 10:28:26 AM  

Sum Guye: JackieRabbit: A taxi would have been cheaper (not by much), but taxis here have become so scummy and none of the drivers speak English.

Probably illegal aliens,

[img.fark.net image 550x310]


Man, that was a shiatty movie. An embarrassing 90 minutes of Dan Aykroyd trying to relive his SNL glory days.  Not sure how he pulled Jane Curtin and Chris Farley into that cluster.
 
2017-03-20 10:47:54 AM  
I've been using Uber for over 3 years now and never had an issue. I don't get the hate. I also live in the NYC/Hoboken area, so not having a car and taking Uber is pretty sweet. I guess i'm missing something.
 
2017-03-20 10:48:59 AM  
I've called for a cab three times in my life. Once a cab showed up. There's a reason I don't bother with cabs.
 
2017-03-20 10:49:24 AM  

lexnaturalis: Why Uber gets hate for it and cab companies don't is beyond me. It sucks for everyone, but only one company is getting shiat on for it.


Just the schizophrenic way we think about jobs. Like light is both a particle and wave, jobs are both an arm's-length basic economic exchange of cash for labor, and necessary for survival / dignity so they need stability / regulation.

Being a part-time independent contractor like this is a great way to earn some extra money (the former), and a terrible way to make a living (the latter).

Also I think most people just don't know that cab drivers (and barbers, strippers, etc.) are usually in the same IC situation.
 
2017-03-20 10:49:29 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Zeb Hesselgresser: 6 of us used Uber Sat. night to and from a show.  Seamless, 12 min. wait each way.  Completely positive experience.

You called a cab and it picked you up.


not even close, to me the app makes all the difference. I can see how far away my ride is, i can txt the driver when they're getting close so they know where i am exactly, the driver has directions to where i'm going, and, best of all, i pay through the app so I can just get out and go instead of having to hang around and wait for the driver to run my cc. If taxis had the equivalent app I would use whatever is cheapest but no taxi i've ever seen has anything remotely close to the Uber app.
 
2017-03-20 11:02:11 AM  

Radioactive Ass: Cab drivers go through getting a cab license which has to be displayed where the passenger can see it. Uber does not. Cab drivers have to obey certain fare rules (also displayed prominently). Uber does not. No meter means it's harder to collect taxes. Uber is a gypsy cab type deal which is illegal pretty much everywhere because they don't have to follow the same rules as taxis. Asking your buddy to take you to the airport for some beer and gas money is one thing, Uber isn't that.


Traditional taxis - they sucked before uber and they still suck now. And just stop with the regulatory shiat. Taxis have been flouting the rules and dodging local regulation and taxes since the first guy hooked a buggy to a horse. And don't even start with the training - half the time the uber guy also drives a cab - it's the same farking person.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/25/technology/yellow-cab-bankruptcy/

Yellow cab SF - hundred year old traditional taxi co. - bankrupt from a single insurance claim. So don't talk to me about uber drivers being underinsured.

http://www.wral.com/70-taxi-limo-drivers-claim-same-address-for-insur​a​nce-break/16592292/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=lin​k&ICID=ref_fark

Linked on Fark last week - 70 traditional taxi and limo drivers committing insurance fraud.

I'd post some more stories about how corrupt traditional taxi organizations are but I don't want to take up the entire farking internet.
 
2017-03-20 11:20:12 AM  
Maybe Uber could pay their drivers more if they stopped hiring reps to run around the internet defending them in threads.
 
2017-03-20 11:25:04 AM  
Uber (an Lyft) are much better options than cabs, in my opinion. Better value, better vehicles, and more convenient.
I can see the government getting upset at those companies for undercutting them on the cab licensing racket. But as a consumer, I'll take Lyft or Uber every time over a cab.
 
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