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2017-03-19 09:27:05 AM  
I have a MacBook which has its pluses and minuses. A definite plus: Microsoft has never shoved anything on it.
 
2017-03-19 09:52:40 AM  
Nope, I still have that nonsense blocked.
 
2017-03-19 10:20:13 AM  
I've got an un-updated win10 on my gaming desktop but most of the others are linux or win7 and likely stay that way.  Hey MS if you go through another free upgrade campaign consider doing it for Vista too, I have a bunch of those keys I'd happily exchange for win10...I think you owe us at least that much for such an abhorrent release.

/...and I'd exchange my old MSDN 2K8 keys for 2K16 if you're feeling generous ;)
 
2017-03-19 10:34:10 AM  

BumpInTheNight: I've got an un-updated win10 on my gaming desktop but most of the others are linux or win7 and likely stay that way.  Hey MS if you go through another free upgrade campaign consider doing it for Vista too, I have a bunch of those keys I'd happily exchange for win10...I think you owe us at least that much for such an abhorrent release.

/...and I'd exchange my old MSDN 2K8 keys for 2K16 if you're feeling generous ;)


Vista, and even XP, got an upgrade to 8 for only £20, which then got you the free upgrade to 10. I bought a PC in 2001 that came with XP and I'm now on 10 Pro having paid MS £20 in the last sixteen years. Quite a good deal IMHO.

And ending updates to an old OS? Don't Apple and Android do exactly the same? How long do you expect MS to keep on updating an old OS? Especially when they've had cheap and free deals to get the latest OS.
 
2017-03-19 10:38:06 AM  

BumpInTheNight: I've got an un-updated win10 on my gaming desktop but most of the others are linux or win7 and likely stay that way.  Hey MS if you go through another free upgrade campaign consider doing it for Vista too, I have a bunch of those keys I'd happily exchange for win10...I think you owe us at least that much for such an abhorrent release.

/...and I'd exchange my old MSDN 2K8 keys for 2K16 if you're feeling generous ;)


Still a free upgrade for Win7 and Win8.x users...

From the article comments:
The upgrade to Windows 10 is still free - under one condition - you have to use an accessibility tool. There is nothing that will prevent you from installing Windows 10 over a Windows 7 or Windows 8.x installation, or using those keys to install Win10 fresh. The requirement is simple legal fiction (it entails the user running Screen Magnifier or text-to-speech once to be "legal" but Microsoft isn't really checking nor do they care) to cover the rears of the executive who decided their upgrade needed some sort of time limit.
The reality is that they wanted (and still want) everybody to upgrade. It is still free. If you are hypersensitive to legal requirements, and do want to upgrade, just run screen magnifier, and you will be 100% compliant.
As for the merits of Win10, I'm fine with it. It is the OS Microsoft should have released instead of the Playskool Metro mess of Windows 8. Paranoid people hate the telemetry, but most of it is simply innocuous debugging garbage. People hate the occasional "advert-advisement" popups and such, but that's just simple business. I've always found something, in every version of the OS, that I've been unhappy about, but I'm happier running it than I am running Linux (I have several Linux machines and even a Macbook here)


Of course, still no upgrade for dirty Vista users. That one seems odd, as Vista was the ugly first attempt to bring all the changes people love about Win7 (real x64 support, security features actually working, driver signing, etc). It certainly seemed broken when it came out, but honestly, most of that would have happened with Windows 7 if they'd skipped Vista. Win7 just had the benefit of Vista breaking old software and drivers - forcing those developers to fix things BEFORE Win7 came out. By the time Win7 was released, all those wrinkles had been ironed out and the same things that broke Vista so badly were finally working great.
 
2017-03-19 10:56:02 AM  
It's also why all of my personal machines only update manually, when I tell them to.

I saw them push the sneak-updates out again last week, and shook my head. Bastards.

Alas, while my hardware won't run that trash, it's sad how many folks were tricked into the 'latest' MS offering. The up side, though, is that I make a living supporting it, so I have that going for me, which is why I drink,,,,I mean, nice
 
2017-03-19 10:56:31 AM  

Ron Vibbentrop: BumpInTheNight: I've got an un-updated win10 on my gaming desktop but most of the others are linux or win7 and likely stay that way.  Hey MS if you go through another free upgrade campaign consider doing it for Vista too, I have a bunch of those keys I'd happily exchange for win10...I think you owe us at least that much for such an abhorrent release.

/...and I'd exchange my old MSDN 2K8 keys for 2K16 if you're feeling generous ;)

Vista, and even XP, got an upgrade to 8 for only £20, which then got you the free upgrade to 10. I bought a PC in 2001 that came with XP and I'm now on 10 Pro having paid MS £20 in the last sixteen years. Quite a good deal IMHO.

And ending updates to an old OS? Don't Apple and Android do exactly the same? How long do you expect MS to keep on updating an old OS? Especially when they've had cheap and free deals to get the latest OS.


Luckily, my used PC came with a 7 sticker and I was able to use its key to activate 10.  I've met people who have taken pictures of Win7 PC product keys (like library computers) and used that key to upgrade from earlier than 7.

Hell, if you don't mind the annoyance, 10 can be installed an ran without a product key....just an annoying watermark by the clock and you gotta do some tricks to change the wallpaper and theme elements, but other than that, it's functionally the same.

Apple and Android aren't valid comparisons.  Apple could release iOS for older iPhone models, but that doesn't give end users much of an incentive to upgrade.

Android, different but similar scenario.  99% of all Android phones from 2013 and up could be running the latest Android OS, but most manufacturers only give 1 or 2 major updates over a two year period where they pull an Apple and put the updated OS on a newer phone.  Some Android phones get underground support and custom roms which gives them OS updates even when the manufacturer doesn't provide them.

EXAMPLE -- My LG G3 quit getting updates around Android 6.0, the G4 came out with 6.X and the updated OS (which was able to be backported to the G3...ditto with some G5/other LG phone software).  So the scene was able to make an updated stock LG rom, but it was old by release.  That didn't matter because even though stock OS updates stopped at 6.0 for my G3, custom roms are running the latest version of Android (they'd run even better if the Android hackers had access to driver source code versus trying to find libraries from similar hardware that has a more up to date Android stock rom).

Ending OS support all come down to getting more $$$$$.  99% of the time, there is no real reason other than $$$$.  Personally, I'd willingly pay up to $100 to LG to provide my phone with updates versus having to buy new crap...I like my phone and it's powerful and large enough that I don't have to upgrade until either I feel like it or something game-changing happens.
 
2017-03-19 11:14:40 AM  
"your computer will still work but it might become more vulnerable to security risks and viruses."

No, your computer will be just as vulnerable as it was before, no more, but not as safe as it would be if you could fix the vulnerabilities.
 
2017-03-19 11:15:56 AM  
Just upgrade already.  It's a pretty decent OS.
 
2017-03-19 11:16:05 AM  
I'm running 8.0 because I pay cell data rates for everything. 8.1 will surely break some things on my Acer laptop (like lighted keys).  Will 10 fix them or create more problems? I have to do 8.1 and then do Win10 for a total download of about 13 farking gigs.  Will have to live at the library for day and something will go wrong on the first (and or) second attempt.

This for a OS that will update without my permission on a machine that currently works and does what is needed. Ha!

I would rather scrap the thing and buy a device with the current OS than deal with the headaches. Life is too short to spend all the time sharpening or fixing a tool.
 
2017-03-19 11:17:59 AM  

clancifer: Just upgrade already.  It's a pretty decent OS.


No, I refuse.

If it's so decent, why are MS still resorting to trickery to get people to install it?
 
2017-03-19 11:32:17 AM  

Rueened: clancifer: Just upgrade already.  It's a pretty decent OS.

No, I refuse.

If it's so decent, why are MS still resorting to trickery to get people to install it?


You're probably 70% botnet by now.
 
2017-03-19 11:32:50 AM  

Rueened: clancifer: Just upgrade already.  It's a pretty decent OS.

No, I refuse.

If it's so decent, why are MS still resorting to trickery to get people to install it?


You call it tricks, I call not supporting hardware on an old OS that an untested  update could blow up and cause people to lose their system.
 
2017-03-19 11:34:43 AM  

Rueened: clancifer: Just upgrade already.  It's a pretty decent OS.

No, I refuse.

If it's so decent, why are MS still resorting to trickery to get people to install it?


It's actually better than decent, Win10 is a fantastic OS. Far better than 7, or 8. And it isn't trickery. It sounds like you've dug your heels in and would look for any excuse to dislike Win10 anyway. I guess if conspiracy theories are your thing, have fun with that. Maybe someday the whole nefarious plot from Microsoft to get people to move to Windows 10 will finally come to fruition and your fear will be vindicated... but I doubt it.
 
2017-03-19 11:34:48 AM  

Rueened: clancifer: Just upgrade already.  It's a pretty decent OS.

No, I refuse.

If it's so decent, why are MS still resorting to trickery to get people to install it?

Does Apple still write firmware and API updates for their first gen iPhone? (Released 10-years ago)

If not, why should Microsoft release updates to support new hardware and CPU architecture released a decade later?
 
2017-03-19 11:39:34 AM  

MrSteve007: Rueened: clancifer: Just upgrade already.  It's a pretty decent OS.

No, I refuse.

If it's so decent, why are MS still resorting to trickery to get people to install it?
Does Apple still write firmware and API updates for their first gen iPhone? (Released 10-years ago)

If not, why should Microsoft release updates to support new hardware and CPU architecture released a decade later?


*ERROR* - User attempted to access logic processors. Unable to locate logic processors in the destination.
 
2017-03-19 11:40:52 AM  

skeevy420: Apple and Android aren't valid comparisons.  Apple could release iOS for older iPhone models, but that doesn't give end users much of an incentive to upgrade.

Android, different but similar scenario.  99% of all Android phones from 2013 and up could be running the latest Android OS, but most manufacturers only give 1 or 2 major updates over a two year period where they pull an Apple and put the updated OS on a newer phone.  Some Android phones get underground support and custom roms which gives them OS updates even when the manufacturer doesn't provide them.

EXAMPLE -- My LG G3 quit getting updates around Android 6.0, the G4 came out with 6.X and the updated OS (which was able to be backported to the G3...ditto with some G5/other LG phone software).  So the scene was able to make an updated stock LG rom, but it was old by release.  That didn't matter because even though stock OS updates stopped at 6.0 for my G3, custom roms are running the latest version of Android (they'd run even better if the Android hackers had access to driver source code versus trying to find libraries from similar hardware that has a more up to date Android stock rom).

Ending OS support all come down to getting more $$$$$. 99% of the time, there is no real reason other than $$$$.  Personally, I'd willingly pay up to $100 to LG to provide my phone with updates versus having to buy new crap...I like my phone and it's powerful and large enough that I don't have to upgrade until either I feel like it or something game-changing happens.


So Apple don't offer older iPhones the latest OS to get them to buy a new phone, but it's Microsoft who are "doing this for the money"?

How can MS be doing this for money when they gave away Windows 10? Those "adverts" people complain about are not adverts, MS doesn't get paid for them. They suggest random apps and games to encourage people to get them, and those suggestions are turned off with one click.
 
2017-03-19 11:41:17 AM  
Running GWX panel, which keeps 10 out, for now... though they have snuck in an update that changes AU back to full automatic and allows everything.. check that regularly...
 
2017-03-19 11:41:27 AM  

Nocrash: I'm running 8.0 because I pay cell data rates for everything. 8.1 will surely break some things on my Acer laptop (like lighted keys).  Will 10 fix them or create more problems? I have to do 8.1 and then do Win10 for a total download of about 13 farking gigs.  Will have to live at the library for day and something will go wrong on the first (and or) second attempt.

This for a OS that will update without my permission on a machine that currently works and does what is needed. Ha!

I would rather scrap the thing and buy a device with the current OS than deal with the headaches. Life is too short to spend all the time sharpening or fixing a tool.


You can always backup up your hard drive, format, and install 10 from iso.  No double update necessary.  If it doesn't work, restore the backup.  2 to 4 hours tops.

Rueened: No, I refuse.

If it's so decent, why are MS still resorting to trickery to get people to install it?


Probably from all the backlash from tricking people to install it combined with the built in "spyware".  Sigh....doubling down on derp never helps things....

10 really isn't that bad of an OS* provided one doesn't mind having to tweak a few things.  Everything negative people post about Win10 can be fixed provide one isn't a complete moron and can use Google.

*That's coming from a 15 year Arch Linux user.  A 17 years Linux only person, 15 years Arch Linux user, is recommending Windows 10 with some tweaks (I KNEAD MOAR GAMES THAN LINUX HAZ).

Granted, I only boot Windows 10 once or twice a week to play games....but run a script I found on github and install ClassicShell is all I've had to do to disable all the "spyware" and remove all the annoyances I've had with 10 (plus rerun the script after updates).  It still doesn't even compare to Arch + XFCE or KDE5 or E21....but it plays games so there's that.
 
2017-03-19 11:45:34 AM  

dready zim: "your computer will still work but it might become more vulnerable to security risks and viruses."

No, your computer will be just as vulnerable as it was before, no more, but not as safe as it would be if you could fix the vulnerabilities.


It could be worse in many cases. A lot of code is shared between older and newer OS's, and so if they find and fix a bug in a new OS it makes public a potential security hole in an older OS that won't get the fix. It's like if Ford discovered you could hotwire any of their cars made in the last decade with a bit of string and a toothpick, but only recalled and fixed models made in the last three years. Suddenly car thieves know that those older Fords can be easily hotwired. Fords recall and fix told them about it.
 
2017-03-19 11:46:48 AM  

OlderGuy: Running GWX panel, which keeps 10 out, for now... though they have snuck in an update that changes AU back to full automatic and allows everything.. check that regularly...


You do know that Windows 10 isn't free anymore, right? They stopped giving it away last year. You're fighting a battle that is already over. You are just stuck with your old ass OS that is being phased out of the update cycle until you decide to buy a new one (or switch to a free one like Linux).
 
2017-03-19 11:49:18 AM  

Nocrash: I'm running 8.0 because I pay cell data rates for everything. 8.1 will surely break some things on my Acer laptop (like lighted keys).  Will 10 fix them or create more problems? I have to do 8.1 and then do Win10 for a total download of about 13 farking gigs.  Will have to live at the library for day and something will go wrong on the first (and or) second attempt.

This for a OS that will update without my permission on a machine that currently works and does what is needed. Ha!

I would rather scrap the thing and buy a device with the current OS than deal with the headaches. Life is too short to spend all the time sharpening or fixing a tool.


FWIW I've upgraded a few older machines from 8 to 8.1 and then 10, including an old Compaq netbook that shipped with XP, and the process has been smooth in all cases.

W10 is actually very lean and efficient, hence running great on that Compaq with an Atom chip and only 1GB RAM. As for the download, do you know anyone with a decent internet who would let you connect to their wifi and download it?
 
2017-03-19 11:49:21 AM  

skeevy420: Probably from all the backlash from tricking people to install it combined with the built in "spyware".


At least you had the decency to put "spyware" in scare quotes. Some people actually still think that Windows 10 wants to watch them masturbate.
 
2017-03-19 11:49:23 AM  

JohnnyC: OlderGuy: Running GWX panel, which keeps 10 out, for now... though they have snuck in an update that changes AU back to full automatic and allows everything.. check that regularly...

You do know that Windows 10 isn't free anymore, right? They stopped giving it away last year. You're fighting a battle that is already over. You are just stuck with your old ass OS that is being phased out of the update cycle until you decide to buy a new one (or switch to a free one like Linux).


It is still free. Read my earlier comment.
 
2017-03-19 11:52:45 AM  

Rueened: clancifer: Just upgrade already.  It's a pretty decent OS.

No, I refuse.

If it's so decent, why are MS still resorting to trickery to get people to install it?


Because for years people have mocked Windows as being "virus city", due in a very large way to idiots never installing updates and fixes. So MS made an OS that is far more secure and which makes updates mandatory, just as Google do with their Chromebook. And so they want everyone to be on the latest most secure OS to make it far easier for them to support, rather than having to spend money and time supporting OS's that they stopped making a decade ago.
 
2017-03-19 11:52:47 AM  

Ron Vibbentrop: skeevy420: Apple and Android aren't valid comparisons.  Apple could release iOS for older iPhone models, but that doesn't give end users much of an incentive to upgrade.

Android, different but similar scenario.  99% of all Android phones from 2013 and up could be running the latest Android OS, but most manufacturers only give 1 or 2 major updates over a two year period where they pull an Apple and put the updated OS on a newer phone.  Some Android phones get underground support and custom roms which gives them OS updates even when the manufacturer doesn't provide them.

EXAMPLE -- My LG G3 quit getting updates around Android 6.0, the G4 came out with 6.X and the updated OS (which was able to be backported to the G3...ditto with some G5/other LG phone software).  So the scene was able to make an updated stock LG rom, but it was old by release.  That didn't matter because even though stock OS updates stopped at 6.0 for my G3, custom roms are running the latest version of Android (they'd run even better if the Android hackers had access to driver source code versus trying to find libraries from similar hardware that has a more up to date Android stock rom).

Ending OS support all come down to getting more $$$$$. 99% of the time, there is no real reason other than $$$$.  Personally, I'd willingly pay up to $100 to LG to provide my phone with updates versus having to buy new crap...I like my phone and it's powerful and large enough that I don't have to upgrade until either I feel like it or something game-changing happens.

So Apple don't offer older iPhones the latest OS to get them to buy a new phone, but it's Microsoft who are "doing this for the money"?

How can MS be doing this for money when they gave away Windows 10? Those "adverts" people complain about are not adverts, MS doesn't get paid for them. They suggest random apps and games to encourage people to get them, and those suggestions are turned off with one click.


Because maybe it's cheaper for Microsoft to give away 10 for free versus paying programmers to support XP through 8.1...combine that with them moving their products from version based to subscription based, an "app" store in 10 where they get a cut of the profits....MS is clearly doing this for the money.  Give it away for free and make profits from micro-transactions....that's the new model of business in this day and age.
 
2017-03-19 11:52:54 AM  

JohnnyC: skeevy420: Probably from all the backlash from tricking people to install it combined with the built in "spyware".

At least you had the decency to put "spyware" in scare quotes. Some people actually still think that Windows 10 wants to watch them masturbate.


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2017-03-19 11:53:09 AM  

LesserEvil: BumpInTheNight: I've got an un-updated win10 on my gaming desktop but most of the others are linux or win7 and likely stay that way.  Hey MS if you go through another free upgrade campaign consider doing it for Vista too, I have a bunch of those keys I'd happily exchange for win10...I think you owe us at least that much for such an abhorrent release.

/...and I'd exchange my old MSDN 2K8 keys for 2K16 if you're feeling generous ;)

Still a free upgrade for Win7 and Win8.x users...

From the article comments:
The upgrade to Windows 10 is still free - under one condition - you have to use an accessibility tool. There is nothing that will prevent you from installing Windows 10 over a Windows 7 or Windows 8.x installation, or using those keys to install Win10 fresh. The requirement is simple legal fiction (it entails the user running Screen Magnifier or text-to-speech once to be "legal" but Microsoft isn't really checking nor do they care) to cover the rears of the executive who decided their upgrade needed some sort of time limit.
The reality is that they wanted (and still want) everybody to upgrade. It is still free. If you are hypersensitive to legal requirements, and do want to upgrade, just run screen magnifier, and you will be 100% compliant.
As for the merits of Win10, I'm fine with it. It is the OS Microsoft should have released instead of the Playskool Metro mess of Windows 8. Paranoid people hate the telemetry, but most of it is simply innocuous debugging garbage. People hate the occasional "advert-advisement" popups and such, but that's just simple business. I've always found something, in every version of the OS, that I've been unhappy about, but I'm happier running it than I am running Linux (I have several Linux machines and even a Macbook here)

Of course, still no upgrade for dirty Vista users. That one seems odd, as Vista was the ugly first attempt to bring all the changes people love about Win7 (real x64 support, security features actually working, driver signing, etc). It certainly seemed broken when it came out, but honestly, most of that would have happened with Windows 7 if they'd skipped Vista. Win7 just had the benefit of Vista breaking old software and drivers - forcing those developers to fix things BEFORE Win7 came out. By the time Win7 was released, all those wrinkles had been ironed out and the same things that broke Vista so badly were finally working great.


Yeah I first learned of this in that comment.  And the old Win7 hacks work, so you can still install 7, activate, and then do you free Win10 upgrade.  If desired.  ;)

I don't think I want it though.

One machine I see has been running unactivated Win10.  I wonder if the Accessibility upgrade is available to it or if it would have to downgrade to 7 first...
 
2017-03-19 11:53:51 AM  

JohnnyC: skeevy420: Probably from all the backlash from tricking people to install it combined with the built in "spyware".

At least you had the decency to put "spyware" in scare quotes. Some people actually still think that Windows 10 wants to watch them masturbate.


What's wrong with that?  AI's have fetishes too.
 
2017-03-19 11:58:41 AM  

skeevy420: Because maybe it's cheaper for Microsoft to give away 10 for free versus paying programmers to support XP through 8.1...combine that with them moving their products from version based to subscription based, an "app" store in 10 where they get a cut of the profits....MS is clearly doing this for the money.  Give it away for free and make profits from micro-transactions....that's the new model of business in this day and age.


I agree that MS want a bit of the app store profits, after seeing Apple make billions. But there is zero evidence, and much evidence against, for MS "forcing" users to that system.
Windows 10 is a full licence. They legally cannot take it away from any users and force them to a subscription model. Programs like Office offer a subscription version, and for many businesses that is a great deal, but they still offer Office, Word etc as full, one-off licences, and released the latest version Office 2016 last year. One off purchase. Licence lasts forever. Hell, I still use Office 2007.
 
2017-03-19 12:00:35 PM  
This is not a repeat from when support ended for Windows ME, XP, 98, 95, or 3.1
 
2017-03-19 12:01:14 PM  

Rueened: clancifer: Just upgrade already.  It's a pretty decent OS.

No, I refuse.

If it's so decent, why are MS still resorting to trickery to get people to install it?


Essentially, you're either on an MS product or you're not.  Most of the spyware was back-ported to Win7, 8, & 8.1 (assuming you turn on updates at all).  Win10 is much better "under the hood" and supports the latest technology.  Sooner or later, your device will break, need a peripheral to work, or need a driver update that isn't supported on your old OS to play a game or install some other software.   The old pre-win10 machine will be relegated to legacy support and software.   The pressure will mount to replace it eventually, and your only options will be Mac, Windows latest, or linux/bsd/freeware.

As for MS's motives, they clearly only want to have to support one code base instead of 4... and yes, they want a new marketing channel to get telemetry data from customers and send advertisements (er... helpful notifications) to boost their income... and try to steer everyone towards their store so that it can become the new standard and let them profit from every sale like Apple does with its store.

It's a mixed bag.   I'm hoping to move everything I can to Linux boxes, but MS will likely be my main gaming system for a long time.... until Steam and Vulkan drivers on Linux can compete
 
2017-03-19 12:04:44 PM  
Was discussing this with someone last night. The idiotic idea to lock new processors to Win10 only is going to drive up the price of, and demand for older processors. You might as well buy a bunch of the unlocked ones now, to sock away as an investment for when the price spikes.
 
2017-03-19 12:06:01 PM  

Far Cough: Yeah I first learned of this in that comment.  And the old Win7 hacks work, so you can still install 7, activate, and then do you free Win10 upgrade.  If desired.  ;)

I don't think I want it though.

One machine I see has been running unactivated Win10.  I wonder if the Accessibility upgrade is available to it or if it would have to downgrade to 7 first...


Throw the Win7 key at it. It should activate fine.
 
2017-03-19 12:06:45 PM  

bloobeary: Was discussing this with someone last night. The idiotic idea to lock new processors to Win10 only is going to drive up the price of, and demand for older processors. You might as well buy a bunch of the unlocked ones now, to sock away as an investment for when the price spikes.


I think you overestimate the power of the paranoid desktop crowd.
 
2017-03-19 12:07:03 PM  

JohnnyC: OlderGuy: Running GWX panel, which keeps 10 out, for now... though they have snuck in an update that changes AU back to full automatic and allows everything.. check that regularly...

You do know that Windows 10 isn't free anymore, right? They stopped giving it away last year. You're fighting a battle that is already over. You are just stuck with your old ass OS that is being phased out of the update cycle until you decide to buy a new one (or switch to a free one like Linux).


Thought ahead on that, and cloned my 7 drives and installed 10 on those, which get booted every other month for updates and to get used to the OS.. I know I will have to switch over at some point, and I will be ready to do that when the time comes.. I like 7, it does what I want, and I am not ready to switch.  I still have several XP machines running for audio processing, because those programs won't run on newer OSes.. all systems have fairly new hardware, are secure, and I don't fall for phishing or other gambits..  any time a new OS  or program comes out, I will wait a while until the bugs are cleared out.. Win10 keeps resetting everything to default, so I am watching it as it progresses.  IMO, many customer problems are due to not installing updates designed to fix those problems, so MS wants to go Apple and take that choice away from the user... I do see their point...
 
2017-03-19 12:07:33 PM  

bloobeary: Was discussing this with someone last night. The idiotic idea to lock new processors to Win10 only is going to drive up the price of, and demand for older processors. You might as well buy a bunch of the unlocked ones now, to sock away as an investment for when the price spikes.


Yeah I tried that once.  Anybody want a sealed Celeron 300?

/kidding, don't know where it went
 
2017-03-19 12:09:19 PM  

bloobeary: Was discussing this with someone last night. The idiotic idea to lock new processors to Win10 only is going to drive up the price of, and demand for older processors. You might as well buy a bunch of the unlocked ones now, to sock away as an investment for when the price spikes.


I hope you made a killing by stockpiling buggy whips when those newfangled horseless carriages came out. And buying lots of VHS machines from Circuit City when those awful DVDs came out.

/Only slightly joking.
 
2017-03-19 12:09:37 PM  
I'd be happy to upgrade to Win10, as soon as MS removes the adware and spyware from it.
 
2017-03-19 12:12:23 PM  
My laptop and main system are linux, but my gaming partition is still Win7.  Thankfully I've long since disabled auto updates on it to prevent this madness (most of my older games don't work on Win10, and I don't think MS is going to fix that any time soon).
 
2017-03-19 12:12:57 PM  

LesserEvil: BumpInTheNight: I've got an un-updated win10 on my gaming desktop but most of the others are linux or win7 and likely stay that way.  Hey MS if you go through another free upgrade campaign consider doing it for Vista too, I have a bunch of those keys I'd happily exchange for win10...I think you owe us at least that much for such an abhorrent release.

/...and I'd exchange my old MSDN 2K8 keys for 2K16 if you're feeling generous ;)

Still a free upgrade for Win7 and Win8.x users...

From the article comments:
The upgrade to Windows 10 is still free - under one condition - you have to use an accessibility tool. There is nothing that will prevent you from installing Windows 10 over a Windows 7 or Windows 8.x installation, or using those keys to install Win10 fresh. The requirement is simple legal fiction (it entails the user running Screen Magnifier or text-to-speech once to be "legal" but Microsoft isn't really checking nor do they care) to cover the rears of the executive who decided their upgrade needed some sort of time limit.
The reality is that they wanted (and still want) everybody to upgrade. It is still free. If you are hypersensitive to legal requirements, and do want to upgrade, just run screen magnifier, and you will be 100% compliant.
As for the merits of Win10, I'm fine with it. It is the OS Microsoft should have released instead of the Playskool Metro mess of Windows 8. Paranoid people hate the telemetry, but most of it is simply innocuous debugging garbage. People hate the occasional "advert-advisement" popups and such, but that's just simple business. I've always found something, in every version of the OS, that I've been unhappy about, but I'm happier running it than I am running Linux (I have several Linux machines and even a Macbook here)

Of course, still no upgrade for dirty Vista users. That one seems odd, as Vista was the ugly first attempt to bring all the changes people love about Win7 (real x64 support, security features actually working, dri ...


Bullshiat
 
2017-03-19 12:17:05 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: I'd be happy to upgrade to Win10, as soon as MS removes the adware and spyware from it.


Do you have any actual cite for "spyware"? I assume lots of experts, researchers, tech journalists etc must have looked at exactly what W10 is sending back home. So anyone found any actual evidence they are "spying" on you?

Their EULA covers stuff like Cortana (which like Siri, Alexa, Google Now, needs to send data to their servers to work, although Cortana is actually the only one that can work locally and do stuff with no network), Onedrive (where clearly for cloud storage to work they have to, duh, upload your stuff to their servers).

But anyone actually found evidence that they "spy" on you?

/And "adware" is turned off with a couple of clicks, wasn't adverts anyway (MS not paid for them) and was just suggesting apps you might want, not trying to sell you viagra or cornflakes.
//How is suggesting an app in the Store live tile any different from suggesting a news story in the News live tile?
 
2017-03-19 12:19:31 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: I'd be happy to upgrade to Win10, as soon as MS removes the adware and spyware from it.


QFT
 
2017-03-19 12:20:58 PM  
There is a certain amount of irony in a website demanding I turn off my ad and spyware blocking software in order to read their scare piece about ad and spyware infesting my operating system.
 
2017-03-19 12:31:40 PM  
I like 10 a lot more than I ever liked XP. XP was superior to what came before it, but after years of updates and a dead end in terms of hardware support, XP became more likely to crash and take out everything in a five mile radius. Yeah, compared to something like ME it was amazing, but a total shiatshow compared to 10.
 
2017-03-19 12:34:58 PM  
I dont even bother updating any more, Microsoft burned that bridge.  And fark Flash while were at it.  Adobe and Microsoft can both go hurtling into the sun for all I care.
 
2017-03-19 12:38:21 PM  
Everything works on the 5-year-old Dell with Windows 7. I used to use it as a file server and now I have it set up for my mom as a web browser because it's the most stable Windows and hardware setup I've ever had, so I don't have to try to explain to my mom how to fix sh*t on it. And it works at a decent speed. Even the VPN works flawlessly. I'm not setting up another f*cking machine with Windows 10. The present machine took me the better part of two days to get set up properly.

My computer now is a 2015 MacBook, and I'm using this thing until one of us dies of old age. My last MacBook lasted 8 years. Fastest, most stable machines I've ever had. I'm not fixing what ain't broke.

I had a notebook with Windows 10 last year and I almost threw it at the f*cking wall.
 
2017-03-19 12:40:16 PM  
Windows 7 is in "extended support" until January 14th, 2020

Listen, you stupid chucklefarks, do you know what that means? When you agreed to support the OS until 2020, that means you have to make every possible effort to do so. Dropping support for many of the CPUs it runs on, as an excuse to force people to ad-filled Windows 10, is going to backfire. There' will be a huge class-action lawsuit about this.

The thing is that they used to drop support for older hardware because said hardware was not made any more, and they didn't have any working machines to test on. But now with VMs, they could theoretically simulate and support any configuration for decades to come. There's no excuse for dropping hardware support like this.
 
2017-03-19 12:43:39 PM  

JohnnyC: Rueened: clancifer: Just upgrade already.  It's a pretty decent OS.

No, I refuse.

If it's so decent, why are MS still resorting to trickery to get people to install it?

It's actually better than decent, Win10 is a fantastic OS. Far better than 7, or 8. And it isn't trickery. It sounds like you've dug your heels in and would look for any excuse to dislike Win10 anyway. I guess if conspiracy theories are your thing, have fun with that. Maybe someday the whole nefarious plot from Microsoft to get people to move to Windows 10 will finally come to fruition and your fear will be vindicated... but I doubt it.


For me, no. My laptop has Win 10 on it, and i really loathe that thing. Wish i could get it on Win 7.
 
2017-03-19 12:47:30 PM  
Windows 10 might be everyone's cup of tea, but that site heavy handed approach to stopping your ad blocker is farked up
 
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