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(Variety)   Scripted TV shows are confronting social issues like never before. As opposed to the 70s when the biggest problem addressed on "Happy Days" was Richie having to deal with a pimple on prom night   ( variety.com) divider line
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2017-03-19 03:20:46 AM  
I really hope you're kidding about the 70s, subby.  Or did All in the Family, The Jeffersons, The Mary Tyler Moore Show, and Maude not confront social issues?

You can kinda add M*A*S*H to that as well.
 
2017-03-19 06:57:59 AM  
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2017-03-19 07:09:41 AM  

RodneyToady: I really hope you're kidding about the 70s, subby.  Or did All in the Family, The Jeffersons, The Mary Tyler Moore Show, and Maude not confront social issues?

You can kinda add M*A*S*H to that as well.


Maude had an abortion. You won't see any main characters on today's TV shows doing that nowadays.

/remembers when James on James at 15 lost his virginity. It was almost scandalous.
 
2017-03-19 08:07:19 AM  
What happened to his older brother?
 
2017-03-19 08:28:30 AM  
The greatest social issue episode of all time was Dinosaurs "A New Leaf" which ended with the teenage son breaking the fourth wall to explain the moral of the story. He told people to do whatever they want, but do it safely and responsibly so they can stop making stupid social issue episodes like this and get back to just being funny.
 
2017-03-19 08:39:45 AM  

Lorelle: Maude had an abortion. You won't see any main characters on today's TV shows doing that nowadays.


Didn't the main character on Scandal have an abortion recently?

/ Don't watch the show. Just remember there was some controversy.
 
2017-03-19 08:40:51 AM  
tonight , in a very special episode ... a man raped is funny.
 
2017-03-19 08:43:21 AM  
Whereas now we have whole channels on Youtube about dealing with that pimple.
 
2017-03-19 08:43:47 AM  

RodneyToady: I really hope you're kidding about the 70s, subby.  Or did All in the Family, The Jeffersons, The Mary Tyler Moore Show, and Maude not confront social issues?

You can kinda add M*A*S*H to that as well.


and Good Times, that's why I liked Sanford and Son, just plain idiocy, no 'special' episodes.
 
2017-03-19 08:45:56 AM  
"Sticks" was on Happy Days, if I recall.
 
2017-03-19 08:48:09 AM  
Remember when Jenny Piccolo shared nudez from her iphone with a trusted boyfriend and he shared it with the whole football team?  Then Ralph Malph was going to shoot up the whole school before Fonzie convincingly told him to give him the gun?
 
2017-03-19 08:48:22 AM  
"I'm young, it's happening now, so it must be something new that the old people never thought about doing."
 
2017-03-19 08:55:48 AM  

weirdneighbour: RodneyToady: I really hope you're kidding about the 70s, subby.  Or did All in the Family, The Jeffersons, The Mary Tyler Moore Show, and Maude not confront social issues?

You can kinda add M*A*S*H to that as well.

and Good Times, that's why I liked Sanford and Son, just plain idiocy, no 'special' episodes.


Fred dismissed the occasional racist fool (Monty) and goody two shoes (Aunt Esther).
 
2017-03-19 09:05:14 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: Remember when Jenny Piccolo shared nudez from her iphone with a trusted boyfriend and he shared it with the whole football team?  Then Ralph Malph was going to shoot up the whole school before Fonzie convincingly told him to give him the gun?


but then Fonzie just hit the jukebox and everyone died.  We learned that with great coolness comes great responsibility. Ritchie's brother went upstairs to die of crack cocaine, reefer, and aids.  And we all cried when they had Manimal put to sleep.  In retrospect, a very special episode of Blossom doesn't seem so special now.
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2017-03-19 09:06:14 AM  

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr: Lorelle: Maude had an abortion. You won't see any main characters on today's TV shows doing that nowadays.

Didn't the main character on Scandal have an abortion recently?

/ Don't watch the show. Just remember there was some controversy.


Crazy Ex-Girlfriend's best friend, a wife and mother, had one. Best handling I've seen.

Three's Company of all things clumsily attempted to address sexual harassment more than once and Bewitched had at least one godawful ep on racism.

Anyway, keep up the good work, TV people.
 
2017-03-19 09:12:44 AM  
I was actually going to read the article, then I saw the title of it was "TV gets woke", and I closed the browser window, refusing to read any article where the writer can't even use the correct tense of a word in a headline.

But the rest has been covered. The article writer is probably an idiot millennial who doesn't know Norman Lear from Lear Jet. It's been done, it's been done more graphically and frankly than modern TV would ever allow, and honestly, the issues haven't changed a single bit in 40 years, just the references.
 
2017-03-19 09:31:22 AM  
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2017-03-19 09:34:44 AM  

Raider_dad: tonight , in a very special episode ... a man raped is funny.


Depends. Was the man dressed as a clown?
 
2017-03-19 10:00:46 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: I was actually going to read the article, then I saw the title of it was "TV gets woke", and I closed the browser window, refusing to read any article where the writer can't even use the correct tense of a word in a headline.


Yeah, that was a total fail.
 
2017-03-19 10:08:01 AM  

IlGreven: FirstNationalBastard: I was actually going to read the article, then I saw the title of it was "TV gets woke", and I closed the browser window, refusing to read any article where the writer can't even use the correct tense of a word in a headline.

Yeah, that was a total fail.


Get hep, Herbert. That's just the vernacular of the day.
 
2017-03-19 10:10:46 AM  
Arrow recently had a very special episode on gun control that was basically an afterschool special.  It was really ham-fisted and poorly written.
 
2017-03-19 10:12:04 AM  
In the 70s, a 30-minute sitcom had a running time of 28 minutes.  Today's 30-minute sitcoms have a running time of 22-minutes.

A one-hour television show had a running time between 55 minutes and 57 minutes.  Today's one-hour shows have a running time of 42-minutes.

Yes, those missing minutes make a big difference in the quality of the show.
 
2017-03-19 10:15:33 AM  

Gary-L: In the 70s, a 30-minute sitcom had a running time of 28 minutes.  Today's 30-minute sitcoms have a running time of 22-minutes.

A one-hour television show had a running time between 55 minutes and 57 minutes.  Today's one-hour shows have a running time of 42-minutes.

Yes, those missing minutes make a big difference in the quality of the show.


In the 70s, a 30 minute show was around 25 minutes. Now, a half hour show is between 20:30 and 21:30. A one-hour show was 49 or 50 minutes. You got the 42 minutes part for today's hourlong shows right, though.

No show, especially in the 1970s, ever had only 3 minutes of commercials. Even in the 1950s when shows were sponsored by a single sponsor, I Love Lucy ran around 26 minutes because Philip Morris got three minutes in the middle to plug cigarettes.
 
2017-03-19 10:21:52 AM  

NeoCortex42: Arrow recently had a very special episode on gun control that was basically an afterschool special.  It was really ham-fisted and poorly written.


So, just like any other episode.
 
2017-03-19 10:34:16 AM  
We call them, "A very special episode."

Black-ish is about 90% very special.
 
2017-03-19 10:40:05 AM  

RickN99: "I'm young, it's happening now, so it must be something new that the old people never thought about doing."


One thing that makes modern kids dumber than ever is how quickly one can look up claims on the internet with video evidence.
 
2017-03-19 10:42:19 AM  
Back in the 70s there were  7 broadcast channels in Los Angeles.

Now there's 600 channels, and there's nothing on.
 
2017-03-19 10:56:08 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: NeoCortex42: Arrow recently had a very special episode on gun control that was basically an afterschool special.  It was really ham-fisted and poorly written.

So, just like any other episode.


Even worse, believe it or not.  I like some campiness and overacting in my superhero shows, but that episode took it to a whole new level.
 
2017-03-19 11:11:46 AM  

Khazar-Khum: Back in the 70s there were  7 broadcast channels in Los Angeles.

Now there's 600 channels, and there's nothing on.


Agrees.

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2017-03-19 11:12:10 AM  

RodneyToady: I really hope you're kidding about the 70s, subby.  Or did All in the Family, The Jeffersons, The Mary Tyler Moore Show, and Maude not confront social issues?

You can kinda add M*A*S*H to that as well.


In its first few seasons, the TV version of "MASH" tried to be as much like the Altman movie as possible within the limits of network TV, then did the pivot to be more dramatic.  By the end, an episode was pretty much just a sermon on whatever Alda wanted to preach about that week.
 
2017-03-19 11:14:45 AM  
Which modern tv show is tackling the pedo issue?

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2017-03-19 11:15:02 AM  

jake_lex: RodneyToady: I really hope you're kidding about the 70s, subby.  Or did All in the Family, The Jeffersons, The Mary Tyler Moore Show, and Maude not confront social issues?

You can kinda add M*A*S*H to that as well.

In its first few seasons, the TV version of "MASH" tried to be as much like the Altman movie as possible within the limits of network TV, then did the pivot to be more dramatic.  By the end, an episode was pretty much just a sermon on whatever Alda wanted to preach about that week.


Sitcom/comedy with some dramatic elements/drama with some comedic elements.

That's the MASH breakdown. 1-3, 4-6, and 7-11.
 
2017-03-19 11:15:37 AM  

kbronsito: Which modern tv show is tackling the pedo issue?

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Poor Mr. Carlson. He never got over the end of WKRP.
 
2017-03-19 11:26:48 AM  
Happy Days showed us the devastating world of shark jumping.
 
2017-03-19 11:29:24 AM  

Thosw: "Sticks" was on Happy Days, if I recall.


"Stronger than cool?!?"
 
2017-03-19 11:46:06 AM  

kbronsito: Which modern tv show is tackling the pedo issue?

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Yep, I was wondering if that would make the list here...
 
2017-03-19 11:53:22 AM  

RodneyToady: I really hope you're kidding about the 70s, subby.  Or did All in the Family, The Jeffersons, The Mary Tyler Moore Show, and Maude not confront social issues?

You can kinda add M*A*S*H to that as well.

All in the Family

really liked to spread it around, too. They managed to be funny and covet things like menopause and rape while also dealing with Archie being a bigot(While still being a good person at heart) and a conservative stick in the mud on issues like cohabitation and premarital sex. The show is really a great example of mixing comedy with serious issues without getting preachy like MASH did, or even as dark as most 'very special episodes' would get. I loved that show before I even knew what it was all about.
 
2017-03-19 11:57:18 AM  
Fonzie was nearly run out of town by a bad cop until the whole town went I am Spartacus on him.

I always wondered where they all suddenly acquired black leather jackets.
 
2017-03-19 12:04:25 PM  
Wow, the comments....

A bunch of people frothing at the mouth about "SJWs", and more than willing to tell us about "the black man".
 
2017-03-19 12:05:25 PM  

Mikey1969: RodneyToady: I really hope you're kidding about the 70s, subby.  Or did All in the Family, The Jeffersons, The Mary Tyler Moore Show, and Maude not confront social issues?

You can kinda add M*A*S*H to that as well.

All in the Family really liked to spread it around, too. They managed to be funny and covet things like menopause and rape while also dealing with Archie being a bigot(While still being a good person at heart) and a conservative stick in the mud on issues like cohabitation and premarital sex. The show is really a great example of mixing comedy with serious issues without getting preachy like MASH did, or even as dark as most 'very special episodes' would get. I loved that show before I even knew what it was all about.


Sadly All in the Family or the Jeffersons would never fly today because racism. Nevermind the fact that they made fun of racism and marginalized it through comedy.
 
2017-03-19 12:06:33 PM  

Mikey1969: . They managed to be funny and covet things like menopause and rape



What a difference a letter makes..........
B^D
 
2017-03-19 12:13:00 PM  

Billy Liar: Mikey1969: . They managed to be funny and covet things like menopause and rape


What a difference a letter makes..........
B^D


Like the time I misspelled "fletching" on a google search
 
2017-03-19 12:21:12 PM  

Mikey1969: RodneyToady: I really hope you're kidding about the 70s, subby.  Or did All in the Family, The Jeffersons, The Mary Tyler Moore Show, and Maude not confront social issues?

You can kinda add M*A*S*H to that as well.

All in the Family really liked to spread it around, too. They managed to be funny and covet things like menopause and rape while also dealing with Archie being a bigot(While still being a good person at heart) and a conservative stick in the mud on issues like cohabitation and premarital sex. The show is really a great example of mixing comedy with serious issues without getting preachy like MASH did, or even as dark as most 'very special episodes' would get. I loved that show before I even knew what it was all about.


I saw Carroll O'Connor on a Dick Cavett show from the early '70s talk about Archie, and it made a lot of sense.  He said Archie was basically an unhappy man that had grown up poor and had sacrificed his happiness to raise a family; he'd had to drop out of school and so was left with menial jobs.  Now he saw the next generation moving up - education, technology, more equal rights, etc. - and he felt like he was being left behind and felt abandoned, so he used the very little power he had from being an uneducated working class white guy to feel superior to those on the ladder farther down from him.  It was a very articulate description of his character, much more than "just another bigot';  it didn't excuse his behavior, but it explained it.   O'Connor had taken the time to figure out why Archie was the way he was.
 
2017-03-19 12:35:49 PM  

Billy Liar: Mikey1969: RodneyToady: I really hope you're kidding about the 70s, subby.  Or did All in the Family, The Jeffersons, The Mary Tyler Moore Show, and Maude not confront social issues?

You can kinda add M*A*S*H to that as well.

All in the Family really liked to spread it around, too. They managed to be funny and covet things like menopause and rape while also dealing with Archie being a bigot(While still being a good person at heart) and a conservative stick in the mud on issues like cohabitation and premarital sex. The show is really a great example of mixing comedy with serious issues without getting preachy like MASH did, or even as dark as most 'very special episodes' would get. I loved that show before I even knew what it was all about.

I saw Carroll O'Connor on a Dick Cavett show from the early '70s talk about Archie, and it made a lot of sense.  He said Archie was basically an unhappy man that had grown up poor and had sacrificed his happiness to raise a family; he'd had to drop out of school and so was left with menial jobs.  Now he saw the next generation moving up - education, technology, more equal rights, etc. - and he felt like he was being left behind and felt abandoned, so he used the very little power he had from being an uneducated working class white guy to feel superior to those on the ladder farther down from him.  It was a very articulate description of his character, much more than "just another bigot';  it didn't excuse his behavior, but it explained it.   O'Connor had taken the time to figure out why Archie was the way he was.


And, Archie evolved his views when he had to confront those things over the years.
 
2017-03-19 12:42:44 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Billy Liar: Mikey1969: RodneyToady: I really hope you're kidding about the 70s, subby.  Or did All in the Family, The Jeffersons, The Mary Tyler Moore Show, and Maude not confront social issues?

You can kinda add M*A*S*H to that as well.

All in the Family really liked to spread it around, too. They managed to be funny and covet things like menopause and rape while also dealing with Archie being a bigot(While still being a good person at heart) and a conservative stick in the mud on issues like cohabitation and premarital sex. The show is really a great example of mixing comedy with serious issues without getting preachy like MASH did, or even as dark as most 'very special episodes' would get. I loved that show before I even knew what it was all about.

I saw Carroll O'Connor on a Dick Cavett show from the early '70s talk about Archie, and it made a lot of sense.  He said Archie was basically an unhappy man that had grown up poor and had sacrificed his happiness to raise a family; he'd had to drop out of school and so was left with menial jobs.  Now he saw the next generation moving up - education, technology, more equal rights, etc. - and he felt like he was being left behind and felt abandoned, so he used the very little power he had from being an uneducated working class white guy to feel superior to those on the ladder farther down from him.  It was a very articulate description of his character, much more than "just another bigot';  it didn't excuse his behavior, but it explained it.   O'Connor had taken the time to figure out why Archie was the way he was.

And, Archie evolved his views when he had to confront those things over the years.



Archie let one of his bigoted friends hit on his friend, the transvestite.

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2017-03-19 12:47:29 PM  
I miss the early '80s TV listings when "deranged" was inevitably followed by "Vietnam vet."
 
2017-03-19 01:03:40 PM  

BigMax


Fonzie was nearly run out of town by a bad cop until the whole town went I am Spartacus on him.

I always wondered where they all suddenly acquired black leather jackets.


Amazon Prime.
 
2017-03-19 01:17:40 PM  

Billy Liar


I saw Carroll O'Connor on a Dick Cavett show from the early '70s talk about Archie, and it made a lot of sense. He said Archie was basically an unhappy man that had grown up poor and had sacrificed his happiness to raise a family; he'd had to drop out of school and so was left with menial jobs. Now he saw the next generation moving up - education, technology, more equal rights, etc. - and he felt like he was being left behind and felt abandoned, so he used the very little power he had from being an uneducated working class white guy to feel superior to those on the ladder farther down from him. It was a very articulate description of his character, much more than "just another bigot'; it didn't excuse his behavior, but it explained it. O'Connor had taken the time to figure out why Archie was the way he was.


Carroll O'Connor was a very good actor, and very good actors explore the character's motivation. That's still a CSB, though.

Just looked for it on YT and couldn't find it. D'oh.
 
2017-03-19 01:21:26 PM  

Gary-L: In the 70s, a 30-minute sitcom had a running time of 28 minutes.  Today's 30-minute sitcoms have a running time of 22-minutes.

A one-hour television show had a running time between 55 minutes and 57 minutes.  Today's one-hour shows have a running time of 42-minutes.

Yes, those missing minutes make a big difference in the quality of the show.


Does anyone watch 30 min sitcoms anymore? I only know of that unfunny show with the nerds and Sheldon
 
2017-03-19 01:26:52 PM  

Billy Liar: Mikey1969: . They managed to be funny and covet things like menopause and rape


What a difference a letter makes..........
B^D


Autocorrect typos are SO fun when they actually make a new, functional sentence. 😃
 
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