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(Onion AV Club)   The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - great game, or greatest game of all time?   ( avclub.com) divider line
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2017-03-18 09:10:13 AM  
we said every other 3D zelda game was not the best ever but this time WE ACTUALLY MEAN IT, THIS TIME IT'S FOR REAL

YOU CAN'T FOOL ME GAME JOURNOS, IM ON TO YOUR DIRTY TRICKS
 
2017-03-18 09:11:49 AM  

Mike_LowELL: we said every other 3D zelda game was not the best ever but this time WE ACTUALLY MEAN IT, THIS TIME IT'S FOR REAL


I'll proofread my posts one day.  I promise.  I really will.
 
2017-03-18 09:31:10 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Mike_LowELL: we said every other 3D zelda game was not the best ever but this time WE ACTUALLY MEAN IT, THIS TIME IT'S FOR REAL

I'll proofread my posts one day.  I promise.  I really will.


Most Zelda games I've played (I admit I've missed a couple recent ones) have been pretty good, though.

Except Zelda II. Fark you, Zelda II.
 
2017-03-18 12:01:20 PM  
All Zelda games suck.  I said ALL!
 
2017-03-18 12:15:50 PM  
I stopped reading when he said it was as groundbreaking as a Kanye West album.
 
2017-03-18 12:29:52 PM  
It's definitely a GREAT game, but I still think A Link to the Past (SNES) is my favorite. I think it largely depends on what you were doing when you first played whatever Zelda is your favorite. I still have the best memories of the SNES era.

/Why are my damn weapons so FRAGILE!?
//The sword is made of METAL FFS!!
 
2017-03-18 12:34:36 PM  
I have never played a zelda game.  The closest i came to playing it was watching my neighbor friend play it, and he never let me play
 
2017-03-18 12:45:19 PM  
Spent all my free time the last couple weeks exploring Hyrule, and i have a LOT more to go. My favorite Zelda game since LttP.

/ The numerous references to previous games is nice
// People remembered the oracle games existed :)
/// 1 more divine beast to go
 
2017-03-18 12:53:28 PM  
The sheer monstrous levels of hyperbole in video game journalism is rivaled only by the sheer monstrous levels of hyperbole present in sports journalism.

It's just a farking game.
 
2017-03-18 12:54:48 PM  
Last Zelda game I played was Twilight Princess. If it wasn't for the Wii controls, I would have played it, and the Wii for that matter, a lot more.
 
2017-03-18 12:56:32 PM  

Close2TheEdge: The sheer monstrous levels of hyperbole in video game journalism is rivaled only by the sheer monstrous levels of hyperbole present in sports journalism.

It's just a farking game.


Also rivalled by hyperbole in political journalism, film journalism, war journalism, pointless crap journalism.

Hyperbole is a core part of most journalism and has always been there. How do you get people to pay attention? Get them excited. How do you get them excited? Present extreme claims/reports.
 
2017-03-18 12:58:17 PM  
Well, one of the characters in the promo said, "Everything I have done until now, has been for nothing."

That tells me that there is no point in wasting time on the game.
 
2017-03-18 12:59:51 PM  

bobbovine: It's definitely a GREAT game, but I still think A Link to the Past (SNES) is my favorite. I think it largely depends on what you were doing when you first played whatever Zelda is your favorite. I still have the best memories of the SNES era.

/Why are my damn weapons so FRAGILE!?
//The sword is made of METAL FFS!!


Padding.
 
2017-03-18 01:05:25 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Mike_LowELL: Mike_LowELL: we said every other 3D zelda game was not the best ever but this time WE ACTUALLY MEAN IT, THIS TIME IT'S FOR REAL

I'll proofread my posts one day.  I promise.  I really will.

Most Zelda games I've played (I admit I've missed a couple recent ones) have been pretty good, though.

Except Zelda II. Fark you, Zelda II.


I've been replaying Zelda II recently on 3DS virtual console  and it's not that bad. The side scrolling combat mechanics are solid, and the rpg-lite level progression works well. The game was good for the NES and holds up surprisingly well.

Of course, it doesn't hold a candle to most of the other games. Especially Link's Awakening. But it's actually kind of fun.
 
2017-03-18 01:08:16 PM  
FTA: Clayton Purdom:Like everyone else, I've spent the past two weeks in thrall to Nintendo's new Zelda. Breath Of The Wild feels like a cultural moment, one of those rare occasions when a new artwork is immediately and almost unanimously agreed upon as an all-time great. I'm thinking of albums like My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

I took less than three sentences for me to start hating someone, a new record!
 
2017-03-18 01:08:41 PM  
I'm a serious Zelda fan. I've beaten all the games except for the CDi ones and Spirit Tracks. My son is named Link. So yes I'm biased.

But if you compare Breath of the Wild to any previous Zelda game, (or as far as I'm aware any previous Nintendo game at all), the amount of content, detail, effort, and care that they put into it is absolutely unprecidented. The game world is literally hundreds of times larger than Ocarina of Time's game world and twice as big as Skyrim's. And literally almost every mountain peak/valley/cave/forest/field/town/sea etc has something of value hidden. And almost every villiager has either a sidequest or hint at hidden treasure or some interesting tidbit of lore about the history of Hyrule.

I've been playing Breath of the Wild from day 1 about as hardcore as any grown man with two gamer kids and a full time job can. And yes, because of how open the game is many of my friends have already beaten Gannon. But in the 100+ hours I've already poured into it I've only explored around 20% of the map and beaten 1 "dungeon". And I'm STILL having a blast exploring every nook and cave and gathering incredible weapons and armor and just absorbing this amazing, HUGE, detailed, surprising world and story that Nintendo built.
 
2017-03-18 01:09:44 PM  
Nintendo just decided they had better double this year's production run on the Switch and Zelda is pretty much the only game for it... They are looking to make more of them this year than they ever made of the Wii U over the four years it was in production.

I'd say it's doing pretty well, if people are willing to buy a console/portable thingy just to play it.
 
2017-03-18 01:12:41 PM  
Weapons that break after 5 swings, and being forced to wait for rain to stop before you can climb sound like the opposite of fun to me.
 
2017-03-18 01:12:49 PM  
Not of all time. The greatest game of all time is Damocles on the Atari ST and Amiga.

img.fark.net

First person 3D complete open world with an entire solar system of planets and moons to explore. Multiple vehicles, items and secrets to be found throughout. Use your resources creatively to get ahead. Or don't, it's up to you. Multiple ways to win the game and you can still carry on playing afterwards, win or lose.

In 1990. This game was so far ahead of its time that the industry still hasn't caught up with it.
 
2017-03-18 01:21:17 PM  
I've tried listening to Kanye West, and i still don't understand why people like his music.  It's just so bad.  Like, really bad. Can someone explain it to me
 
2017-03-18 01:25:17 PM  
I acquired the Wii U version and while it is enjoyable, I am not certain that I would label it as the greatest game of all time.
 
2017-03-18 01:33:21 PM  
I give this article a 7/10.
 
2017-03-18 01:36:03 PM  
Best videogame is like best smelling turd, or best comicbook movie or smartest gamer.
 
2017-03-18 01:52:42 PM  

bobbovine: It's definitely a GREAT game, but I still think A Link to the Past (SNES) is my favorite. I think it largely depends on what you were doing when you first played whatever Zelda is your favorite. I still have the best memories of the SNES era.

/Why are my damn weapons so FRAGILE!?
//The sword is made of METAL FFS!!


Breakable weapons is a hack's idea of realism.
 
2017-03-18 01:53:17 PM  

texdent: Last Zelda game I played was Twilight Princess. If it wasn't for the Wii controls, I would have played it, and the Wii for that matter, a lot more.


Also the mandatory 2 hour tutorial?
 
2017-03-18 01:57:41 PM  

Fano: Breakable weapons is a hack's idea of realism.


What really put me over the edge was the contrived implementation of the Master Sword.  We can't let you break the Master Sword, but we'll make up some other way for you not to be able to use it all the time!
 
2017-03-18 02:00:23 PM  

Sgt Otter: I stopped reading when he said it was as groundbreaking as a Kanye West album.


Yeah, I usually find it's the other way round: the Kanye West album breaks when I throw it on the ground.

Not so much groundbreaking, as groundbroken.


/I have never bought a Kanye West record.
 
2017-03-18 02:02:24 PM  
Seems like a very good game, but all time no.
 
2017-03-18 02:09:20 PM  
I haven't played one of these games since the second Legend of Zelda (whatever it was called). I need to get back into it I guess
 
2017-03-18 02:15:45 PM  
Not going to buy a Switch. Every time I buy a Nintendo handheld, I play it for a few days, remember that I am not into Nintendo games, and then they go into a drawer, never to be played again until I give them away.
 
2017-03-18 02:15:59 PM  

mattj1984: I'm a serious Zelda fan. I've beaten all the games except for the CDi ones and Spirit Tracks. My son is named Link. So yes I'm biased.

But if you compare Breath of the Wild to any previous Zelda game, (or as far as I'm aware any previous Nintendo game at all), the amount of content, detail, effort, and care that they put into it is absolutely unprecidented. The game world is literally hundreds of times larger than Ocarina of Time's game world and twice as big as Skyrim's. And literally almost every mountain peak/valley/cave/forest/field/town/sea etc has something of value hidden. And almost every villiager has either a sidequest or hint at hidden treasure or some interesting tidbit of lore about the history of Hyrule.

I've been playing Breath of the Wild from day 1 about as hardcore as any grown man with two gamer kids and a full time job can. And yes, because of how open the game is many of my friends have already beaten Gannon. But in the 100+ hours I've already poured into it I've only explored around 20% of the map and beaten 1 "dungeon". And I'm STILL having a blast exploring every nook and cave and gathering incredible weapons and armor and just absorbing this amazing, HUGE, detailed, surprising world and story that Nintendo built.


Sounds a lot like Witcher 3 minus Gwent and hookers.
 
2017-03-18 02:30:05 PM  
It's certainly the favorite for GOTY and a strong contender for Game of the Decade, but all time? Ehhh.. I'd hesitate to call it the best -Zelda-.. certainly top 3, though and the best 3D one.
 
2017-03-18 02:45:45 PM  
I've only fallen asleep (literally) one time playing a video game.  It was a Zelda game.  And yes it was because it was that boring.
 
2017-03-18 02:53:29 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Most Zelda games I've played (I admit I've missed a couple recent ones) have been pretty good, though.

Except Zelda II. Fark you, Zelda II.


The last one I played was Spirit Tracks.  A week later, I arrived in Japan.  I drove to Nintendo headquarters and I left a bowl of premium ramen in the parking lot.  The director of Spirit Tracks walked out into the parking lot, and while he was consuming the bait, I ran him over with a train.  "This is what you get for making me buy your awful game!"  He suffered a couple of scrapes, but as I chugged off, he signaled to me that he was sorry, as though he entirely understood the point I was trying to make.

He was a good man.  I wonder what he's up to now.
 
2017-03-18 03:02:23 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Mike_LowELL: we said every other 3D zelda game was not the best ever but this time WE ACTUALLY MEAN IT, THIS TIME IT'S FOR REAL

I'll proofread my posts one day.  I promise.  I really will.


How ironic that you post apologizing for not proofreading your posts and then put 'proofread' in the past tense.
 
2017-03-18 03:08:44 PM  
Link?
 
2017-03-18 03:14:12 PM  
It's a ton of fun to play and has fantastic art direction. Well worth purchasing for those that think it would be fun to play.

At the end of the day, it's just a video game (albeit a very good one). Can we forego trying to turn it into a major cultural milestone? It feels more and more these days like we can't go more than two steps without looking back at the first step and going "Wow, that was so amazing!"
 
2017-03-18 03:14:46 PM  

DeArmondVI: It's a ton of fun to play and has fantastic art direction. Well worth purchasing for those that think it would be fun to play.

At the end of the day, it's just a video game (albeit a very good one). Can we forego trying to turn it into a major cultural milestone? It feels more and more these days like we can't go more than two steps without looking back at the first step and going "Wow, that was so amazing!"


I agree. It is not as though Breath of the Wild is Deus Ex or something.
 
2017-03-18 03:21:02 PM  
Breath of the Wild isn't anywhere near the best Zelda game. It's huge, yeah, but there's also some pretty serious design flaws in it.

It's a good game, but it's not a phenomenal one.
 
2017-03-18 03:27:57 PM  

Delta1212: How ironic that you post apologizing for not proofreading your posts and then put 'proofread' in the past tense.


rip in peaces pour grammer
 
2017-03-18 03:46:09 PM  
These are the same people who think Ocarina of Time was a good game, when it's NOT. It's crap. It's a lot of really dumb story (and yes, Nintendo's Zelda stories are dumb)  and unskippable, repetitive, dumbed-down dialogue mixed with a shiatty action platformer. Calling these "RPGs" is an insult to RPG fans.

People are raving about Breath of the Wild because it's the ONLY farking game worth playing on their new $300 Switch console.

It's like this:

Best cracker
Youtube wRXq8TKq-a8


They're starving, and Nintendo threw them a cracker.
 
2017-03-18 03:51:30 PM  

WilderKWight: These are the same people who think Ocarina of Time was a good game, when it's NOT. It's crap. It's a lot of really dumb story (and yes, Nintendo's Zelda stories are dumb)  and unskippable, repetitive, dumbed-down dialogue mixed with a shiatty action platformer. Calling these "RPGs" is an insult to RPG fans.

People are raving about Breath of the Wild because it's the ONLY farking game worth playing on their new $300 Switch console.

It's like this:

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/wRXq8TKq-a8 - 480x360]

They're starving, and Nintendo threw them a cracker.


img.fark.net
 
2017-03-18 03:58:02 PM  

WilderKWight: These are the same people who think Ocarina of Time was a good game, when it's NOT. It's crap. It's a lot of really dumb story (and yes, Nintendo's Zelda stories are dumb)  and unskippable, repetitive, dumbed-down dialogue mixed with a shiatty action platformer. Calling these "RPGs" is an insult to RPG fans.

People are raving about Breath of the Wild because it's the ONLY farking game worth playing on their new $300 Switch console.

It's like this:

[YouTube video]

They're starving, and Nintendo threw them a cracker.


Ocarina was a great game at the time. It definitely has its flaws and has aged quite poorly, but it was a damned good game in the early era of 3D games
 
2017-03-18 03:58:50 PM  

DubyaHater: I haven't played one of these games since the second Legend of Zelda (whatever it was called). I need to get back into it I guess


I've tried multiple times. If you can get past the long intros (unskippable), the boring tutorial prologues, the repetitive music, the repetitive dialogue, and the glaring control issues (because Nintendo can't use a normal controller or control scheme anymore), then you MIGHT enjoy it as a story-driven action platformer with some minor (and I mean really minor) roleplaying game elements. I recently tried to get into The Wind Waker, and I still don't like it. It's just not very fun unless you're a big-time fan of that style of game and the Japanese aesthetic in general. Ocarina of Time is worse on all counts, despite the fuzzy nostalgia some Nintendo fanboys like to assign to it.

But by all means, go for it. Give them a chance. If you're going to try Ocarina of Time, play the remake on the GameCube and not the original N64 version; It's at least easier to look at.

Me? I'll stick with western-style games. The Japanese are big fans of grinding and cutesy crap that I just can't handle in large doses, and when they translate the dialogue, they end up making it repeat the same instructions and points over and over. It's like having a conversation with a drunk 6-year-old.
 
2017-03-18 04:11:01 PM  

dywed88: Ocarina was a great game at the time. It definitely has its flaws and has aged quite poorly, but it was a damned good game in the early era of 3D games


I respectfully disagree. Spending 20 minutes at the beginning listening to that damned fairy's limited speech, and reading the AMAZINGLY repetitive dialogue was enough to sour me, but then the actual gameplay was just a stilted action platformer with bad camera angles and lousy controls.

Planescape: Torment came out not long after Ocarina of Time.   You cannot tell me that the Zelda game is even close to that in terms of RPG chops, story, presentation, controls, music, graphics, or really ANYTHING. Nintendo continually makes games that are a generation-and-a-half behind everything else, and they preserve their position primarily with nostalgia goggles and a sort of Apple-esque exclusivity/cultism among their fans.

And right now, there are half a dozen games available that make Breath of Wild  look bad, unless you're a hardcore Nintendo fan who is desperate for something to play on your $300 purchase.
 
2017-03-18 04:15:45 PM  

dangelder: Link?


img.fark.net
 
2017-03-18 04:18:03 PM  

WilderKWight: reading the AMAZINGLY repetitive dialogue was enough to sour me


It's a Nintendo game.

An example of dialogue from any Nintendo game (imagine having to press a button after every line, and waiting three seconds for every ellipses to fully appear):

Character A: Uhhh!
Character B: ...
Character A: ...
Character B: ...!
Character C: OH!!
Character B: .... ....
 
2017-03-18 04:22:26 PM  
I haven't played it yet, but I've heard that the weapon fragility is absurdly broken.
Weapon Durability, Fanbase Fragility (The Jimquisition)
Youtube AVseQ3RDa6s

/and some nerds can't handle their favorite game getting a 7/10 rating
 
2017-03-18 04:22:44 PM  

WilderKWight: dywed88: Ocarina was a great game at the time. It definitely has its flaws and has aged quite poorly, but it was a damned good game in the early era of 3D games

I respectfully disagree. Spending 20 minutes at the beginning listening to that damned fairy's limited speech, and reading the AMAZINGLY repetitive dialogue was enough to sour me, but then the actual gameplay was just a stilted action platformer with bad camera angles and lousy controls.

Planescape: Torment came out not long after Ocarina of Time.   You cannot tell me that the Zelda game is even close to that in terms of RPG chops, story, presentation, controls, music, graphics, or really ANYTHING. Nintendo continually makes games that are a generation-and-a-half behind everything else, and they preserve their position primarily with nostalgia goggles and a sort of Apple-esque exclusivity/cultism among their fans.

And right now, there are half a dozen games available that make Breath of Wild  look bad, unless you're a hardcore Nintendo fan who is desperate for something to play on your $300 purchase.


..so you're seriously comparing an isometric 2D PC RPG with point-n-click combat to a 2nd generation 3D adventure that came out on a console a full year prior?
 
2017-03-18 04:27:16 PM  

germ78: I haven't played it yet, but I've heard that the weapon fragility is absurdly broken.
[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/AVseQ3RDa6s - 480x270]
/and some nerds can't handle their favorite game getting a 7/10 rating


Jim is far from an unbiased reviewer when it comes to anything Nintendo (some would say with good reason, but he has a MASSIVE chip on his shoulder and it clearly colors his reviews).
 
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