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(AutoBlog)   The American auto industry says that thanks in part to Trump, they'll soon return to the glory days of the '70s, where American cars were the best engineered machines in the world   ( autoblog.com) divider line
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2017-03-17 09:31:49 AM  
My dad bought a cutlass ciera in the late 70's. the cam shaft was gone before 10,000 miles. It's why I drive a subaru today
 
2017-03-17 09:37:47 AM  
I hear sales of the 2018 Pinto are just gonna EXPLODE!!!
 
2017-03-17 09:42:59 AM  
The American auto industry says that thanks in part to Trump, they'll soon return to the glory days of the '70s, where American cars were the best engineered machines in the world, but also the least fuel-efficient and belched so much exhaust California had to come up with their own emissions regulations to combat the smog

FTFSubby.
 
2017-03-17 09:47:12 AM  
More chevy Vegas!
 
2017-03-17 09:50:45 AM  
What I really  want is my Corvair Monza back.
 
2017-03-17 09:56:02 AM  
How important are fuel economy and the environment to you as a car buyer?
A) Those are my top priorities.
B) I just want a fun, fast car. And a monster truck, too.
C) I want a fun, fast car that also gets great mileage and reduces my impact on the environment. That's not too much to expect.


So, you want a realistic, down-to-earth show... that's completely off-the-wall and swarming with magic robots?

img.fark.net
 
2017-03-17 10:02:38 AM  
trump sends along his design suggestions

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make detroit great again!
 
2017-03-17 10:03:55 AM  
This won't benefit the auto industry, it'll only benefit the oil companies.

Also, at what point after the 1910s were American cars the pinnacle of auto engineering capabilities? Once they figured out the assembly line and mass production it was pretty much over.
 
2017-03-17 10:03:59 AM  
If it weren't for Obama, two of the big three auto makers would be dead, along with millions of jobs. Funny how the rust belt just forgot about that.
 
2017-03-17 10:06:29 AM  
media.makeameme.org
 
2017-03-17 10:07:58 AM  

FlashHarry: If it weren't for Obama, two of the big three auto makers would be dead, along with millions of jobs. Funny how the rust belt just forgot about that.


But on the bright side, there wold be fewer shiatty North American Cars on the road.
 
2017-03-17 10:09:47 AM  
Tesla and Ford will eventually BE the American auto industry.  Chrysler is now effectively Italian, and General Motors now has fewer makes than any year since 1927.
 
2017-03-17 10:12:08 AM  
Obama save the auto industry. The right-wing wanted to let it fail. Probably so they could blame Obama when it did, if you think about it.
 
2017-03-17 10:18:10 AM  
Yea, lowering fuel efficiency standards will totally help sell cars because giving a choice I want the truck with sh*tier gas mileage.

BRILLIANT!!!
 
2017-03-17 10:22:21 AM  

Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: Tesla and Ford will eventually BE the American auto industry.  Chrysler is now effectively Italian, and General Motors now has fewer makes than any year since 1927.


Chrysler used to have an aerospace division, too. Their Redstone rocket was the basis of the entire Jupiter and Saturn family, which had a _minor_ role in landing on the Moon.
 
2017-03-17 10:44:32 AM  
Yeah, California mandated 10% zero emission vehicles by 2003 back in the 90s.

54 MPG is pretty aggressive. Basically that would mandate everyone drive Priuses. Nothing wrong with them, but when Mini Coopers and Smart Cars can't even get to 54 mpg then there just might be a problem actually doing it.

It is always fun when an administration puts a requirement for the next administration to do that isn't really feasible and then feigns outrage when it gets rolled back because it can't happen.
 
2017-03-17 11:02:27 AM  
If they want to sell any cars in Canada they're going to have to have to meet the standards so I'm not sure what savings there are to be had. With reduced volume for the emission controls they won't get as good a deal from their suppliers,  they'll have more options to deal with during assembly, and cars built for the US market will be stuck in that market without costly retrofitting.
 
2017-03-17 11:06:01 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: Yeah, California mandated 10% zero emission vehicles by 2003 back in the 90s.

54 MPG is pretty aggressive. Basically that would mandate everyone drive Priuses. Nothing wrong with them, but when Mini Coopers and Smart Cars can't even get to 54 mpg then there just might be a problem actually doing it.

It is always fun when an administration puts a requirement for the next administration to do that isn't really feasible and then feigns outrage when it gets rolled back because it can't happen.


Back when mileage mandates started, Ford/GM/Chrysler claimed that there was no way to improve mileage without putting them out of business.... Somehow, they managed to nearly double gas mileage AND horsepower.

1972 Ford F150 5.8L V8 153HP 10MPG
2015 Ford F150 2.7L V6 282-hp 18MPG
 
2017-03-17 11:08:58 AM  
My parents never were into cars so they just bought a MOPAR when they need a new car. I paid $25 to transfer the title of their 1977 Dodge Aspen wagon with a 318 and optional manual transmission. When I got it it had 90,000 miles and was on its last legs. Rust every where, electrical was failing for no particular reason and the carburetor has seen better days. On a trip from Connecticut to Boston the transmission ceased on the Mass Pike. Turns out that to save money the straight thread transmission fluid port screw was cross threaded into sheet metal. had to get towed off the pike and pay $450 to have the tranny checked. The guy gave me $250 for the car so it cost me $200 to sell plus the tow. I can't wait.
 
2017-03-17 11:10:36 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: Yeah, California mandated 10% zero emission vehicles by 2003 back in the 90s.

54 MPG is pretty aggressive. Basically that would mandate everyone drive Priuses. Nothing wrong with them, but when Mini Coopers and Smart Cars can't even get to 54 mpg then there just might be a problem actually doing it.

It is always fun when an administration puts a requirement for the next administration to do that isn't really feasible and then feigns outrage when it gets rolled back because it can't happen.


Not really. Seems the biggest problem is that due to gas that is well under $4/gallon, people are buying more light trucks (Pickups/SUV/ect).  As they don't have as strict requirements, it drives the CAFE down.  A paper cited in the wikipedia suggest that at this rate, instead of hitting a CAFE of 54, we'll only hit around 52 by 2025... assuming buying patterns stay the same.  If that buying balance was altered slight by, it could easily sort itself out without every single person everywhere having to own a Prius.
 
2017-03-17 11:12:46 AM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: TheGreatGazoo: Yeah, California mandated 10% zero emission vehicles by 2003 back in the 90s.

54 MPG is pretty aggressive. Basically that would mandate everyone drive Priuses. Nothing wrong with them, but when Mini Coopers and Smart Cars can't even get to 54 mpg then there just might be a problem actually doing it.

It is always fun when an administration puts a requirement for the next administration to do that isn't really feasible and then feigns outrage when it gets rolled back because it can't happen.

Back when mileage mandates started, Ford/GM/Chrysler claimed that there was no way to improve mileage without putting them out of business.... Somehow, they managed to nearly double gas mileage AND horsepower.

1972 Ford F150 5.8L V8 153HP 10MPG
2015 Ford F150 2.7L V6 282-hp 18MPG


You mean, a company might lie to try and avoid regulations; but then turn around and follow them and deliver benefits to the consumer? Never.
 
2017-03-17 11:16:34 AM  

Cake Hunter: More chevy Vegas!


Yeah, Vegas baby!!

Oh, wait.

Can't wait till the return of all those great marks.  Pacer.  Pinto.  Nova.  Cordoba.  Fairmont.  Granada.  Monza.  Chevette.

//why no, I'm not tired of winning yet.  Why do you ask?
 
2017-03-17 11:16:53 AM  

FlashHarry: If it weren't for Obama, two of the big three auto makers would be dead, along with millions of jobs. Funny how the rust belt just forgot about that.


and how it was the Southern states bringing in Asian and European manufactures to assemble CDKs as American made while not paying taxes on their brand new state build factories while Big 3 dealt with decades old factories and no breaks, but hey free market right?
 
2017-03-17 11:17:09 AM  

FlashHarry: If it weren't for Obama, two of the big three auto makers would be dead, along with millions of jobs. Funny how the rust belt just forgot about that.


You mean cause he didn't spike the deal that the Bush administration made with the auto companies?
Good Ole' Bama!

You guys are just re-writing history to fit your own bias.
http://www.politico.com/story/2008/12/bush-announces-174-billion-auto​-​bailout-016740
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/an-inconvenient-truth-it-w​a​s-george-w-bush-who-bailed-out-the-automakers
 
2017-03-17 11:20:52 AM  

Psychopusher: The American auto industry says that thanks in part to Trump, they'll soon return to the glory days of the '70s, where American cars were the best engineered machines in the world, but also the least fuel-efficient and belched so much exhaust California had to come up with their own emissions regulations to combat the smog

FTFSubby.


See? Donald is just giving rights back to the States instead of the big nanny state government. It's a win-win! /s
 
2017-03-17 11:23:50 AM  

Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: Tesla and Ford will eventually BE the American auto industry.  Chrysler is now effectively Italian, and General Motors now has fewer makes than any year since 1927.


Zee Germans may end up owning Fiat-Chrysler.

How did the guys put it:

In Hell the designers are German, the engineers are Italian, and something something.
 
2017-03-17 11:27:08 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-03-17 11:28:37 AM  
I buy and drive classic cars.
I have owned cars from the 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s, and even the 80s.
The best were the three first decades I listed.
After 69, shiat went downhill.
 
2017-03-17 11:33:18 AM  

Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: Tesla and Ford will eventually BE the American auto industry.  Chrysler is now effectively Italian, and General Motors now has fewer makes than any year since 1927.


isn't something like the toyota camry the car that has the most american parts in it, like 72% of it is actually made in america?

/too lazy to google it
 
2017-03-17 11:41:03 AM  

mrsleep: FlashHarry: If it weren't for Obama, two of the big three auto makers would be dead, along with millions of jobs. Funny how the rust belt just forgot about that.

You mean cause he didn't spike the deal that the Bush administration made with the auto companies?
Good Ole' Bama!

You guys are just re-writing history to fit your own bias.
http://www.politico.com/story/2008/12/bush-announces-174-billion-auto-​bailout-016740
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/an-inconvenient-truth-it-wa​s-george-w-bush-who-bailed-out-the-automakers


I mean, given how the current president is trying to kill as many of his predecessor's policies as possible, I think we can't take that for granted.

Also, there's something to be said for seeing the process through. Just because a policy is a good idea doesn't mean that you can't fark things up seriously in the execution (e.g. Healthcare.gov).
 
2017-03-17 11:44:43 AM  
My college car, a '76 Dodge Aspen, was a wonderful car.  The trunk was well-ventilated due to the rusted-out wheel wells.  In the Wisconsin winter, this same feature automatically provided ballast as sand from the roads gradually accumulated in the trunk.  The steering column was perfectly engineered to hold a pen light (duct tape sold separately) so that the dash could be seen at night.  The heating system was excellent at drawing off heat from the engine all year long, even in summer, as a way to reduce overheating.  The ample back seat was the perfect location for holding a case of motor oil for weekly top-offs.  The catches on the back doors were robust enough to allow for the eventual two-piece emergency brake cable to be coiled up and closed within the passenger cabin, undoubtedly to allow for a public-transportation-like experience.  The 'Roadmaster,' as it was called, also allowed me to take in the fresh air or the american heartland during the hourly stops required when the steering wheel become too hot to handle, due to the featured engine cooling system.  Good times, it will be wonderful to return to a time I thought had passed long ago.
 
2017-03-17 11:45:09 AM  

mrsleep: FlashHarry: If it weren't for Obama, two of the big three auto makers would be dead, along with millions of jobs. Funny how the rust belt just forgot about that.

You mean cause he didn't spike the deal that the Bush administration made with the auto companies?
Good Ole' Bama!

You guys are just re-writing history to fit your own bias.
http://www.politico.com/story/2008/12/bush-announces-174-billion-auto-​bailout-016740
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/an-inconvenient-truth-it-wa​s-george-w-bush-who-bailed-out-the-automakers


Bush proposed, Obama implemented.  And let's not forget Cash for Clunkers.
 
2017-03-17 11:46:28 AM  

Hyjamon: Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: Tesla and Ford will eventually BE the American auto industry.  Chrysler is now effectively Italian, and General Motors now has fewer makes than any year since 1927.

isn't something like the toyota camry the car that has the most american parts in it, like 72% of it is actually made in america?

/too lazy to google it


Actually the number accounts for percent parts between America and Canada (no one would call a Ford 351W un-American) http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2015/05/what-makes-a-car-a​merican-made-in-the-usa/index.htm
 
2017-03-17 12:01:40 PM  

Chemguy: My college car, a '76 Dodge Aspen, was a wonderful car.  The trunk was well-ventilated due to the rusted-out wheel wells.  In the Wisconsin winter, this same feature automatically provided ballast as sand from the roads gradually accumulated in the trunk.  The steering column was perfectly engineered to hold a pen light (duct tape sold separately) so that the dash could be seen at night.  The heating system was excellent at drawing off heat from the engine all year long, even in summer, as a way to reduce overheating.  The ample back seat was the perfect location for holding a case of motor oil for weekly top-offs.  The catches on the back doors were robust enough to allow for the eventual two-piece emergency brake cable to be coiled up and closed within the passenger cabin, undoubtedly to allow for a public-transportation-like experience.  The 'Roadmaster,' as it was called, also allowed me to take in the fresh air or the american heartland during the hourly stops required when the steering wheel become too hot to handle, due to the featured engine cooling system.  Good times, it will be wonderful to return to a time I thought had passed long ago.


My mother drive a '76 Plymouth Volare.  In humid weather it would stall out at every stoplight and stop sign unless you kept your left foot on the brake and the right foot in the gas.
 
2017-03-17 12:03:00 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: This won't benefit the auto industry, it'll only benefit the oil companies.

Also, at what point after the 1910s were American cars the pinnacle of auto engineering capabilities? Once they figured out the assembly line and mass production it was pretty much over.


You forgot about Dussenberg and Cord. So call it 1937?
 
2017-03-17 12:03:57 PM  

HempHead: Plymouth Volare


My mother had one of those.  It was atrocious.
 
2017-03-17 12:04:23 PM  

inglixthemad: Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: Tesla and Ford will eventually BE the American auto industry.  Chrysler is now effectively Italian, and General Motors now has fewer makes than any year since 1927.

Zee Germans may end up owning Fiat-Chrysler.

How did the guys put it:

In Hell the designers are German, the engineers are Italian, and something something.


I think the joke goes:

In EU heaven, the Brits are the cops, the French are the cooks, the Germans build the cars, the Swiss are the bankers, the Italians are the lovers .

In EU Hell, The Germans are the cops, the Brits are the cooks, the Italians build the cars, the French are the bankers and the Swiss are the lovers.

/rimshot
 
2017-03-17 12:05:35 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Tr0mBoNe: This won't benefit the auto industry, it'll only benefit the oil companies.

Also, at what point after the 1910s were American cars the pinnacle of auto engineering capabilities? Once they figured out the assembly line and mass production it was pretty much over.

You forgot about Dussenberg and Cord. So call it 1937?


I'll give you that one. Also, the innovations in the 70s on structural rust go unnoticed by most.
 
2017-03-17 12:12:35 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: HempHead: Plymouth Volare

My mother had one of those.  It was atrocious.


We had the wagon version.  Was built like a high-school auto shop project.
 
2017-03-17 12:15:31 PM  

GanjSmokr: C) I want a fun, fast car that also gets great mileage and reduces my impact on the environment. That's not too much to expect.


One Tesla Model S coming up! That'll be $120,000, please!
 
2017-03-17 12:21:10 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: Yeah, California mandated 10% zero emission vehicles by 2003 back in the 90s.

54 MPG is pretty aggressive. Basically that would mandate everyone drive Priuses. Nothing wrong with them, but when Mini Coopers and Smart Cars can't even get to 54 mpg then there just might be a problem actually doing it.

It is always fun when an administration puts a requirement for the next administration to do that isn't really feasible and then feigns outrage when it gets rolled back because it can't happen.


The Prius is an inefficient hybrid system.  If automakers had to get to 54 mpg for a fleet you would see more serial hybrid drivelines, like the Volt, in all their vehicles.  Due to the way gasoline engines function they are inefficient at certain RPM ranges.  In a serial hybrid they only run at a specific rate; which is whatever they find to be the most efficient.
 
2017-03-17 12:23:34 PM  

stuhayes2010: Yea, lowering fuel efficiency standards will totally help sell cars because giving a choice I want the truck with sh*tier gas mileage.

BRILLIANT!!!


I want durability and towing capacity in my truck.  If that means i spend 5% more on fuel, I'm ok with that.  What I really want is a super cheap econo box for getting to and from work and a beast of a truck for having fun on the weekend.
 
2017-03-17 12:46:16 PM  
Malaise 2: Electric Boogaloo
 
2017-03-17 12:52:59 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: Yeah, California mandated 10% zero emission vehicles by 2003 back in the 90s.

54 MPG is pretty aggressive. Basically that would mandate everyone drive Priuses. Nothing wrong with them, but when Mini Coopers and Smart Cars can't even get to 54 mpg then there just might be a problem actually doing it.

It is always fun when an administration puts a requirement for the next administration to do that isn't really feasible and then feigns outrage when it gets rolled back because it can't happen.


Improvements in battery technology - storage density as well as charging efficiency/speed - will result in more and more cars being all-electric.  Right now, my main objection to buying an all-electric car is that I take long road trips periodically; there isn't any electric car I know of that can get from Los Angeles to Guerneville (for example) without needing a more-than-a-gas-station-stop recharging session.  Get the range of an all-electric up to say 500-600 miles on a charge and/or find a way to recharge 300 miles' worth in 15 minutes or less, and I think most people would be perfectly happy to switch.
 
2017-03-17 01:15:21 PM  
Smart article


Fortunately, Toyota will keep their standards and we can still get nice efficient cars that work.
 
2017-03-17 01:24:06 PM  
I'd peg two  events as  seminal  when it comes  to Germany and Japan coming  of age.  The first is the introduction  of the Mercedes 600 in 1963.  A technological tour de force. For the Japanese, the 81 Camry  and  82  Accord showed that Japan  had  passed  the US in sedan design.
 
2017-03-17 01:35:42 PM  
I grew up in a '76 4 Banger Mustang II, so I'm really getting a kick out of this article.

/Subaru owner for past 13 years.
//it was the 80's that did in the Big 3 for Me.
/// Flint Native.
 
2017-03-17 01:38:18 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: TheGreatGazoo: Yeah, California mandated 10% zero emission vehicles by 2003 back in the 90s.

54 MPG is pretty aggressive. Basically that would mandate everyone drive Priuses. Nothing wrong with them, but when Mini Coopers and Smart Cars can't even get to 54 mpg then there just might be a problem actually doing it.

It is always fun when an administration puts a requirement for the next administration to do that isn't really feasible and then feigns outrage when it gets rolled back because it can't happen.

Back when mileage mandates started, Ford/GM/Chrysler claimed that there was no way to improve mileage without putting them out of business.... Somehow, they managed to nearly double gas mileage AND horsepower.

1972 Ford F150 5.8L V8 153HP 10MPG
2015 Ford F150 2.7L V6 282-hp 18MPG


The technology to make those advances in performance didn't exist back then , so they weren't wrong.  How exactly would you double the mileage and halve the displacement in 1972 while still holding the same horsepower rating?
 
2017-03-17 01:49:53 PM  
HempHead:
My mother drive a '76 Plymouth Volare.  In humid weather it would stall out at every stoplight and stop sign unless you kept your left foot on the brake and the right foot in the gas.

"More than you can afford pal - Volare"
 
2017-03-17 01:53:28 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: Eddie Adams from Torrance: TheGreatGazoo: Yeah, California mandated 10% zero emission vehicles by 2003 back in the 90s.

54 MPG is pretty aggressive. Basically that would mandate everyone drive Priuses. Nothing wrong with them, but when Mini Coopers and Smart Cars can't even get to 54 mpg then there just might be a problem actually doing it.

It is always fun when an administration puts a requirement for the next administration to do that isn't really feasible and then feigns outrage when it gets rolled back because it can't happen.

Back when mileage mandates started, Ford/GM/Chrysler claimed that there was no way to improve mileage without putting them out of business.... Somehow, they managed to nearly double gas mileage AND horsepower.

1972 Ford F150 5.8L V8 153HP 10MPG
2015 Ford F150 2.7L V6 282-hp 18MPG

The technology to make those advances in performance didn't exist back then , so they weren't wrong.  How exactly would you double the mileage and halve the displacement in 1972 while still holding the same horsepower rating?


much easier to not bother to doing anything, then wonder why people don't buy their cars anymore and are years behind the competition
 
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