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(Variety)   Variety's original review of "The Godfather": "While never so placid as to be boring, it is never so gripping as to be superior screen drama." Also, it insists upon itself   ( variety.com) divider line
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2017-03-16 09:41:37 AM  
Shallow and pedantic.
 
2017-03-16 10:12:43 AM  
Well, it's no Big Trouble in Little China, but it has some merit as a generally well made film.
 
2017-03-16 11:00:44 AM  
When my brother's oldest daughter was 8, he decided she was old enough to finally watch STAR WARS:
A NEW HOPE.

Her assessment?  "It was very nice, but it was no BABY GENIUSES."

She's 14 now, and a full on and proper nerd, but as long as I live she will never live that down.
 
2017-03-16 11:29:27 AM  
Certainly not a masculine review.

gilgigamesh: Well, it's no Big Trouble in Little China, but it has some merit as a generally well made film.

This, too.
 
2017-03-16 11:43:52 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: When my brother's oldest daughter was 8, he decided she was old enough to finally watch STAR WARS:
A NEW HOPE.

Her assessment?  "It was very nice, but it was no BABY GENIUSES."

She's 14 now, and a full on and proper nerd, but as long as I live she will never live that down.


My nephew, at about the same age:

"It's pretty good for an old movie"

Trying to explain that episodes IV-VI came out before I-III was an exercise in futility.
 
2017-03-16 11:44:39 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: When my brother's oldest daughter was 8, he decided she was old enough to finally watch STAR WARS:
A NEW HOPE.

Her assessment?  "It was very nice, but it was no BABY GENIUSES."

She's 14 now, and a full on and proper nerd, but as long as I live she will never live that down.


I remember watching The Godfather when I was in my teens, and it was as boring a movie as I'd ever seen. Fast-forward 15 years and I re-watched it for the first time in about that long and found it incredible, and I now list it (along with Part II) on my desert island top 5 list.

It's amazing what a few years of growing and perspective can do for your sophistication when it comes to entertainment.
 
2017-03-16 12:04:54 PM  
I agree with Variety on this one.  I thought it was boring and so very over rated.  Not as boring as The English Patient, but close.  I'm in the minority on that though.
 
2017-03-16 12:09:02 PM  
I've seen it several times over the years. It's beautiful and well made with some of the finest performances. It's one of the most iconic and influential films ever made. But even I will admit that it's slow and dull in parts. Part II has far fewer pacing issues than Part I.

/bite me
 
2017-03-16 12:09:30 PM  

idrow: I agree with Variety on this one.  I thought it was boring and so very over rated.  Not as boring as The English Patient, but close.  I'm in the minority on that though.


the only way you could be more of a minority is if you were shot by the police.
 
2017-03-16 12:14:25 PM  

SurfaceTension: DjangoStonereaver: When my brother's oldest daughter was 8, he decided she was old enough to finally watch STAR WARS:
A NEW HOPE.

Her assessment?  "It was very nice, but it was no BABY GENIUSES."

She's 14 now, and a full on and proper nerd, but as long as I live she will never live that down.

I remember watching The Godfather when I was in my teens, and it was as boring a movie as I'd ever seen. Fast-forward 15 years and I re-watched it for the first time in about that long and found it incredible, and I now list it (along with Part II) on my desert island top 5 list.

It's amazing what a few years of growing and perspective can do for your sophistication when it comes to entertainment.


Felt the same way about the dukes of hazard tv show.  Loved it as a kid but when the movie came out and they started showing the reruns again, I watched a few and found myself saying "this is one of the dumbest shows I've ever seen"
 
2017-03-16 12:15:57 PM  

SurfaceTension: DjangoStonereaver: When my brother's oldest daughter was 8, he decided she was old enough to finally watch STAR WARS:
A NEW HOPE.

Her assessment?  "It was very nice, but it was no BABY GENIUSES."

She's 14 now, and a full on and proper nerd, but as long as I live she will never live that down.

I remember watching The Godfather when I was in my teens, and it was as boring a movie as I'd ever seen. Fast-forward 15 years and I re-watched it for the first time in about that long and found it incredible, and I now list it (along with Part II) on my desert island top 5 list.

It's amazing what a few years of growing and perspective can do for your sophistication when it comes to entertainment.


Absolutely.  I didn't see the GODFATHER until I was in my 20s, and only because I got cast in a LARP as
the consigliere to a mob boss, and it is now one of those movies that I will always stop and watch if I
catch it on during a random channel flip.  I had avoided it because it wasn't a sci fi flick, and I wasn't of
Italian extraction and I fell into the trap of thinking "Its popular so it must be over rated."

Thankfully, I know better now.
 
2017-03-16 12:17:38 PM  

natural316: SurfaceTension: DjangoStonereaver: When my brother's oldest daughter was 8, he decided she was old enough to finally watch STAR WARS:
A NEW HOPE.

Her assessment?  "It was very nice, but it was no BABY GENIUSES."

She's 14 now, and a full on and proper nerd, but as long as I live she will never live that down.

I remember watching The Godfather when I was in my teens, and it was as boring a movie as I'd ever seen. Fast-forward 15 years and I re-watched it for the first time in about that long and found it incredible, and I now list it (along with Part II) on my desert island top 5 list.

It's amazing what a few years of growing and perspective can do for your sophistication when it comes to entertainment.

Felt the same way about the dukes of hazard tv show.  Loved it as a kid but when the movie came out and they started showing the reruns again, I watched a few and found myself saying "this is one of the dumbest shows I've ever seen"


Dumb, definitely, but not without its postive points:

cdn.images.express.co.uk
 
2017-03-16 12:18:12 PM  
The opening sequence of the Godfather (the wedding) is storytelling perfection. It lays out, in completely organic fashion everything you need to know for the rest of the film.

Some bits of the movie might drag a little but the strength of the acting is more than enough to keep the viewer engaged IMO.

It's also the best performance of Pacino's career - a study in subtlety and nuance that is completely at odds with his more recent scenery chewing work.
 
2017-03-16 12:21:30 PM  

idrow: I agree with Variety on this one.  I thought it was boring and so very over rated.  Not as boring as The English Patient, but close.  I'm in the minority on that though.


Sounds like you're used to being wrong and sitting there in your wrongness.
 
2017-03-16 12:22:23 PM  
I watched The Conversation for the first time the other night.
That was a good movie.
 
2017-03-16 12:34:42 PM  

idrow: I agree with Variety on this one.  I thought it was boring and so very over rated.  Not as boring as The English Patient, but close.  I'm in the minority on that though.


Me too. Forced to watch it as a teenager, hated it. Revisited it a couple times over the years and it's still boring as fawk.
 
2017-03-16 12:38:16 PM  
Every so often HBO (I think) will show the Godfather Saga, which is 1 and 2 cut and presented chronologically. I watched it over several nights a few months back and really enjoyed it.
 
2017-03-16 12:38:43 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-03-16 12:39:18 PM  
Hey Mods, come on, do me a favor-watch the trolls. Don't let 'em run wild, all right?
 
2017-03-16 12:40:42 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Every so often HBO (I think) will show the Godfather Saga, which is 1 and 2 cut and presented chronologically. I watched it over several nights a few months back and really enjoyed it.


I think they leave out De Niro's scenes.
 
2017-03-16 12:40:56 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Every so often HBO (I think) will show the Godfather Saga, which is 1 and 2 cut and presented chronologically. I watched it over several nights a few months back and really enjoyed it.


That is one of the greatest bits of cinematic editing ever done.  I absolutely *love* that cut.  If it wasn't seven hours long, I'd watch it a whole lot more.
 
2017-03-16 12:41:54 PM  

Jingle Strangle: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Every so often HBO (I think) will show the Godfather Saga, which is 1 and 2 cut and presented chronologically. I watched it over several nights a few months back and really enjoyed it.

I think they leave out De Niro's scenes.


The story is told chronologically.  The entire first portion of the film is De Niro's scenes.
 
2017-03-16 12:43:18 PM  

Rent Party: Jingle Strangle: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Every so often HBO (I think) will show the Godfather Saga, which is 1 and 2 cut and presented chronologically. I watched it over several nights a few months back and really enjoyed it.

I think they leave out De Niro's scenes.

The story is told chronologically.  The entire first portion of the film is De Niro's scenes.


Yeah, nothing is cut. In fact, I think extra scenes were added into the chronological cut.
 
2017-03-16 12:43:29 PM  

Rent Party: The story is told chronologically.  The entire first portion of the film is De Niro's scenes.


That's cool. I must have tuned in late.
 
2017-03-16 12:46:51 PM  

Snapper Carr: The opening sequence of the Godfather (the wedding) is storytelling perfection. It lays out, in completely organic fashion everything you need to know for the rest of the film.


That's why Star Wars ANH is such a masterpiece. That opening sequence tells you everything you need to know about the rest of the film in the first 45 seconds without a word being spoken: big all powerful empire chasing down the plucky, brave but woefully outgunned rebellion. How will they ever survive such an onslaught? Stay tuned!.

It was the first time in history introductory exposition was carried out solely by special effects.

Then, of course, Lucas got an unlimited budget and full creative control, and he decided why not use special effects as a SUBSTITUTE for story telling and take a whole 2 1/2 hour movie to do nothing but set up a boring, convoluted and nonsensical plot.
 
2017-03-16 12:47:32 PM  
A man who doesn't enjoy The Godfather can never be a real man.
 
2017-03-16 12:47:44 PM  

Rent Party: Jingle Strangle: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Every so often HBO (I think) will show the Godfather Saga, which is 1 and 2 cut and presented chronologically. I watched it over several nights a few months back and really enjoyed it.

I think they leave out De Niro's scenes.

The story is told chronologically.  The entire first portion of the film is De Niro's scenes.


It's an interesting way to get a better handle on how editing really makes the movie you see.  In addition to resequencing everything so that it's chronological, it adds some additional scenes left out of the movie.  And while they're interesting, none of them are essential.

Here's an example: There's a scene in the Saga in which Fanucci is attacked by some thugs.  The scene shows that he has less power than he claims to do: obviously, if he was this Ultimate Badass Black Hand guy he claims to be, no way just some random thugs would be able to rob him, and the fact that the thugs get away with it shows Vito that Fanucci has no backing.

Of course, in the movie, Vito figures that out by first intentionally paying him less than Fanucci is demanding, and then following him back to see that this "ultimate thug" lives in a shiatty tenement.  That's enough.  That tells us all we need to know.  It's enough to understand how Vito knows that he can take on Fanucci.
 
2017-03-16 12:49:50 PM  

Snapper Carr: It's also the best performance of Pacino's career - a study in subtlety and nuance that is completely at odds with his more recent scenery chewing work.


There is pre-Scent of a Woman Pacino and post-Scent of a Woman Pacino.  That movie ruined him.
 
2017-03-16 12:52:35 PM  

Snapper Carr: It's also the best performance of Pacino's career - a study in subtlety and nuance that is completely at odds with his more recent scenery chewing work.


Someone, somewhere (radio I think) did his Godfather lines as the Pacino of *today* and it was hysterical.

Been looking for it ever since.
 
2017-03-16 12:55:55 PM  

Arab Lover: Hey Mods, come on, do me a favor-watch the trolls. Don't let 'em run wild, all right?


They're posting in threads two at a time! What am I supposed to do?
 
2017-03-16 12:57:02 PM  

jake_lex: Rent Party: Jingle Strangle: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Every so often HBO (I think) will show the Godfather Saga, which is 1 and 2 cut and presented chronologically. I watched it over several nights a few months back and really enjoyed it.

I think they leave out De Niro's scenes.

The story is told chronologically.  The entire first portion of the film is De Niro's scenes.

It's an interesting way to get a better handle on how editing really makes the movie you see.  In addition to resequencing everything so that it's chronological, it adds some additional scenes left out of the movie.  And while they're interesting, none of them are essential.

Here's an example: There's a scene in the Saga in which Fanucci is attacked by some thugs.  The scene shows that he has less power than he claims to do: obviously, if he was this Ultimate Badass Black Hand guy he claims to be, no way just some random thugs would be able to rob him, and the fact that the thugs get away with it shows Vito that Fanucci has no backing.

Of course, in the movie, Vito figures that out by first intentionally paying him less than Fanucci is demanding, and then following him back to see that this "ultimate thug" lives in a shiatty tenement.  That's enough.  That tells us all we need to know.  It's enough to understand how Vito knows that he can take on Fanucci.


It's for stupider viewers like me that don't understand nuance.
 
2017-03-16 12:57:27 PM  

GRCooper: Snapper Carr: It's also the best performance of Pacino's career - a study in subtlety and nuance that is completely at odds with his more recent scenery chewing work.

There is pre-Scent of a Woman Pacino and post-Scent of a Woman Pacino.  That movie ruined him.


As brilliant as it is, I think "Dog Day Afternoon" kind of started him down that path.  It worked for that character, because he was farking nuts (there's a great documentary called "The Dog" on the real life robber, and if anything, Pacino might have underplayed him a little), but it's really the first time he got really really shouty in a role (the scene where he screams at Kay after she's told him she's had an abortion besides.)
 
2017-03-16 12:57:30 PM  
I watched Dr Strangelove when I was like 8, and had seen The Godfather when I was 10.  I guess I kinda grew up on these types of movies.  I have always loved it.

However, when I first saw Godfather II, at the age of 18, I was disappointed.  I felt it dragged too long.  Upon repeated viewings however it's an incredible film.  Still not as good as Part I though.

Also, III is underrated.  If you can gag past Sofia Coppola's acting the rest of the movie is pretty damn good, especially Andy Garcia and the later Sicilian scenes.  It was heartbreaking to see Connie just become completely blind to what Michael was.
 
2017-03-16 12:59:44 PM  

jake_lex: GRCooper: Snapper Carr: It's also the best performance of Pacino's career - a study in subtlety and nuance that is completely at odds with his more recent scenery chewing work.

There is pre-Scent of a Woman Pacino and post-Scent of a Woman Pacino.  That movie ruined him.

As brilliant as it is, I think "Dog Day Afternoon" kind of started him down that path.  It worked for that character, because he was farking nuts (there's a great documentary called "The Dog" on the real life robber, and if anything, Pacino might have underplayed him a little), but it's really the first time he got really really shouty in a role (the scene where he screams at Kay after she's told him she's had an abortion besides.)


I'd put the break point at SCARFACE myself, but the point is that Michael Corleone was the performance
of a lifetime, for sure.
 
2017-03-16 01:01:08 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Also, III is underrated. If you can gag past Sofia Coppola's acting the rest of the movie is pretty damn good, especially Andy Garcia and the later Sicilian scenes. It was heartbreaking to see Connie just become completely blind to what Michael was.


Except that Sofia Coppola is SO bad that she completely undermines any dramatic heft the movie has, even
scenes when she's not in it.  And especially her death scene.
 
2017-03-16 01:02:54 PM  

Fano: idrow: I agree with Variety on this one.  I thought it was boring and so very over rated.  Not as boring as The English Patient, but close.  I'm in the minority on that though.

Sounds like you're used to being wrong and sitting there in your wrongness.


Yeah, kind of.  You get to a certain age and don't give af if you don't like what other people like.  I'm in a good place with my wrongness.
 
2017-03-16 01:05:51 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Except that Sofia Coppola is SO bad that she completely undermines any dramatic heft the movie has, even
scenes when she's not in it.  And especially her death scene.


Look the movie has one big problem, but she's not in EVERY scene and it's not JUST about her.  At the very least you can believe Michael's anguish, even if you don't give a shiat about her.
 
2017-03-16 01:07:26 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: DjangoStonereaver: Except that Sofia Coppola is SO bad that she completely undermines any dramatic heft the movie has, even
scenes when she's not in it.  And especially her death scene.

Look the movie has one big problem, but she's not in EVERY scene and it's not JUST about her.  At the very least you can believe Michael's anguish, even if you don't give a shiat about her.


Andy Garcia isn't believeable as someone that Michael wouldn't have had quietly killed.
 
2017-03-16 01:08:49 PM  

Fano: Andy Garcia isn't believeable as someone that Michael wouldn't have had quietly killed.


He's family you know... illegitimate, but direct family.  He's just reckless, like Sonny.  Would Vito have Sonny quietly killed?  No, because that would be dumb, just like killing Vincent would be dumb.
 
2017-03-16 01:17:53 PM  

gilgigamesh: Snapper Carr: The opening sequence of the Godfather (the wedding) is storytelling perfection. It lays out, in completely organic fashion everything you need to know for the rest of the film.

That's why Star Wars ANH is such a masterpiece. That opening sequence tells you everything you need to know about the rest of the film in the first 45 seconds without a word being spoken: big all powerful empire chasing down the plucky, brave but woefully outgunned rebellion. How will they ever survive such an onslaught? Stay tuned!.


You're kidding right? Star Wars starts with 5 paragraphs of words to explain what the hell is going on. No movie in history has ever had to ask a viewer to read that much at the start of the film.
 
2017-03-16 01:25:29 PM  

snowshovel: No movie in history has ever had to ask a viewer to read that much at the start of the film.


Not true.  This opening crawl had 11 chapters:
img.fark.net
 
2017-03-16 01:27:43 PM  
If I was reading this in 1972, I'd be POed at all the spoilers in the article.
 
2017-03-16 01:33:14 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Also, III is underrated. If you can gag past Sofia Coppola's acting the rest of the movie is pretty damn good, especially Andy Garcia and the later Sicilian scenes. It was heartbreaking to see Connie just become completely blind to what Michael was.

Except that Sofia Coppola is SO bad that she completely undermines any dramatic heft the movie has, even
scenes when she's not in it.  And especially her death scene.


It makes you wonder how the movie would've played if Winona Ryder hadn't dropped out of the part at the last minute.  I cut Sofia some slack...she's not an actress and she did her best.  Blame her dad for putting her there in the first place.
 
2017-03-16 01:33:26 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Also, III is underrated. If you can gag past Sofia Coppola's acting the rest of the movie is pretty damn good, especially Andy Garcia and the later Sicilian scenes. It was heartbreaking to see Connie just become completely blind to what Michael was.

Except that Sofia Coppola is SO bad that she completely undermines any dramatic heft the movie has, even
scenes when she's not in it.  And especially her death scene.


But Pacino in that scene was great
 
2017-03-16 01:38:49 PM  
It's well directed and the actors do a wonderful job, but it's as boring as watching a baseball game.
I treat it like a porn movie and fast forward to the money shots.
 
2017-03-16 01:39:42 PM  

GRCooper: DjangoStonereaver: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Also, III is underrated. If you can gag past Sofia Coppola's acting the rest of the movie is pretty damn good, especially Andy Garcia and the later Sicilian scenes. It was heartbreaking to see Connie just become completely blind to what Michael was.

Except that Sofia Coppola is SO bad that she completely undermines any dramatic heft the movie has, even
scenes when she's not in it.  And especially her death scene.

But Pacino in that scene was great


Yeah and that's kinda my point.  Everything around her is great, orbiting a black hole of suck.
 
2017-03-16 01:49:34 PM  

Fano: Arab Lover: Hey Mods, come on, do me a favor-watch the trolls. Don't let 'em run wild, all right?

They're posting in threads two at a time! What am I supposed to do?


Fano, you're my brother and I love you. But don't ever go against the moderators again.
 
2017-03-16 02:06:52 PM  
Overrated glorification of organized crime.
Much like Football.
Or elections.
Or the military as heroes in our society.
 
2017-03-16 02:11:05 PM  
I've never seen all of the Godfather.  I've tried.  Many times.  It's boring as fark, to me.

/it's not you, it's me
//hated Seinfeld too
 
2017-03-16 02:13:00 PM  

jgilb: It's well directed and the actors do a wonderful job, but it's as boring as watching a baseball game.
I treat it like a porn movie and fast forward to the money shots.


At least in the book, you didn't have to fast-forward very far.
 
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