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2017-03-16 07:44:51 AM  
If their productivity isn't affected then what is the problem?
 
2017-03-16 08:02:01 AM  

MasterAdkins: If their productivity isn't affected then what is the problem?


This
 
2017-03-16 08:03:07 AM  
I think I'm going to apply for a job in Colombia. I speak the language and I hear cocaine is way cheaper there. I'll probably keep that off my cover letter, though.
 
2017-03-16 08:26:04 AM  
If you can't manage to be sober for 40 hours every week then you might need some professional help.

Just because you can do your job drunk doesn't mean you should.
 
2017-03-16 08:27:37 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I think I'm going to apply for a job in Colombia. I speak the language and I hear cocaine is way cheaper there. I'll probably keep that off my cover letter, though.


Supposedly Heroin is all over the place down there as well, and just as cheap.
 
2017-03-16 08:27:53 AM  
I have to admit that any repetitive manual labour or mindless repetitive tasks that I am forced to do, then I can do them better stoned than straight.

In a way repetitive factory type tasks should require someone to be stoned.
 
2017-03-16 08:28:12 AM  
isn't being affected by drugs and drink the entire point of them?
 
2017-03-16 08:28:52 AM  

MasterAdkins: If their productivity isn't affected then what is the problem?


How long do you think it would be before some sweat shop manager starts providing a bowl of free amphetamines (speed) in the break room to the workers?
 
2017-03-16 08:30:38 AM  
Since I can't seem to find any kind of worker's compensation board or labour committee for that 3rd world nation, I'm sure all will be fine. Get your hand caught in a conveyor or fall off of a scaffold. No problem.
 
2017-03-16 08:30:39 AM  

schoolbread: ecmoRandomNumbers: I think I'm going to apply for a job in Colombia. I speak the language and I hear cocaine is way cheaper there. I'll probably keep that off my cover letter, though.

Supposedly Heroin is all over the place down there as well, and just as cheap.


Eh.  Heroin is all over the place up here as well.  You can even get it from your doctor.
 
2017-03-16 08:31:31 AM  
Ok, do you really want an airline pilot or a surgeon to be allowed to come to work stoned or drunk? There is no way I can do my job while drunk.

BTW, there is no law in the US that prevents this in any general sense. But most employers would not tolerated it because a drunken employee makes them liable.
 
2017-03-16 08:33:40 AM  
What if productivity goes up?

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2017-03-16 08:35:34 AM  

Rapmaster2000: schoolbread: ecmoRandomNumbers: I think I'm going to apply for a job in Colombia. I speak the language and I hear cocaine is way cheaper there. I'll probably keep that off my cover letter, though.

Supposedly Heroin is all over the place down there as well, and just as cheap.

Eh.  Heroin is all over the place up here as well.  You can even get it from your doctor.


lol fair enough.
 
2017-03-16 08:35:50 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I think I'm going to apply for a job in Colombia. I speak the language and I hear cocaine is way cheaper there. I'll probably keep that off my cover letter, though.


10$ a gram, as of 2012.  Colombian Spanish is really clear and easy to learn, but they drop the 's' at the end of a lot of words.
 
2017-03-16 08:36:24 AM  
I've definitely heard people say that certain drugs are great for getting shiat done. Apparently meth can really focus you on a mindless task, and pot makes you not care that what you're doing is boring.

You're still going to get in trouble if you get sloppy drunk or drop so much LSD you can't tell the difference between the giant rainbow fish that just swam in the door and the whirling pit of sound and time you plummet endlessly into.
 
2017-03-16 08:36:51 AM  

JackieRabbit: Ok, do you really want an airline pilot or a surgeon to be allowed to come to work stoned or drunk? There is no way I can do my job while drunk.

BTW, there is no law in the US that prevents this in any general sense. But most employers would not tolerated it because a drunken employee makes them liable.


That is why airline pilots and surgeons get payed waaaaay more than factory line workers.  One requires total focus, the others require robotic mindlessness.
 
2017-03-16 08:39:21 AM  

Ashlea: What if productivity goes up?

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Change "programming skill" with "skill at playing billiards" and that looks right to me. I call it the Golden Level of Drunkenness.
 
2017-03-16 08:44:31 AM  

chozo13: Ashlea: What if productivity goes up?

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Change "programming skill" with "skill at playing billiards" and that looks right to me. I call it the Golden Level of Drunkenness.


We have a pool table in our basement, and I concur. I have this sweet spot where I can beat everyone.... And then after that I'm about as skilled as my 5 year old.
 
2017-03-16 08:45:26 AM  
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2017-03-16 08:47:28 AM  
Depending on their definition of intoxicated I wouldn't go that far. I would ban pre employment drug tests without compensation for negative results.
 
2017-03-16 08:48:27 AM  

Langdon_777: JackieRabbit: Ok, do you really want an airline pilot or a surgeon to be allowed to come to work stoned or drunk? There is no way I can do my job while drunk.

BTW, there is no law in the US that prevents this in any general sense. But most employers would not tolerated it because a drunken employee makes them liable.

That is why airline pilots and surgeons get payed waaaaay more than factory line workers.  One requires total focus, the others require robotic mindlessness.


Yeah, but factory workers can make mistakes with dangerous equipment and hurt themselves or others. The probability of this goes way up when one is drunk (maybe not so much while stoned, though).

Having said this, I worked with a scientist once who kept a bottle of gin in his desk drawer. He drank it straight from a coffee cup all day long. By lunchtime he was pretty much hammered, But you had to know him to detect the subtle differences in his behavior. He was productive, as are most high functional alcoholics.
 
2017-03-16 08:52:39 AM  
How about if it affects their interaction with employees and clients?
 
2017-03-16 08:52:54 AM  

Ashlea: What if productivity goes up?

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Maintaining the sweet spot could be difficult
 
2017-03-16 08:58:03 AM  

JackieRabbit: Langdon_777: JackieRabbit: Ok, do you really want an airline pilot or a surgeon to be allowed to come to work stoned or drunk? There is no way I can do my job while drunk.

BTW, there is no law in the US that prevents this in any general sense. But most employers would not tolerated it because a drunken employee makes them liable.

That is why airline pilots and surgeons get payed waaaaay more than factory line workers.  One requires total focus, the others require robotic mindlessness.

Yeah, but factory workers can make mistakes with dangerous equipment and hurt themselves or others. The probability of this goes way up when one is drunk (maybe not so much while stoned, though).

Having said this, I worked with a scientist once who kept a bottle of gin in his desk drawer. He drank it straight from a coffee cup all day long. By lunchtime he was pretty much hammered, But you had to know him to detect the subtle differences in his behavior. He was productive, as are most high functional alcoholics.


I have never seen a factory line in Australia where most people were not pot smokers.  If you are a regular pot smoker (it is nothing like the first or second time) then doing repeatative over and over is a pretty good thing.

Most people against pot smoking tried it one or two times, they never actually became pot smokers.  Pot smokers with they could reexperience the first or second time - alas their brain chemistry has changed and they no longer can.
 
2017-03-16 09:07:12 AM  

MNguy: ecmoRandomNumbers: I think I'm going to apply for a job in Colombia. I speak the language and I hear cocaine is way cheaper there. I'll probably keep that off my cover letter, though.

10$ a gram, as of 2012.  Colombian Spanish is really clear and easy to learn, but they drop the 's' at the end of a lot of words.


this is all I can think of now after ecmo said "I speak the language":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV2CBgAEqmg
 
2017-03-16 09:08:07 AM  

GreenSun: How about if it affects their interaction with employees and clients?


no, YOU shutup!

*URRRP!*
 
2017-03-16 09:09:40 AM  

GreenSun: How about if it affects their interaction with employees and clients?


Yeah, I wouldn't trust my tax accountant preparing my returns while stoned out of his mind.
 
2017-03-16 09:11:18 AM  
This is farkin retarded. As an employer I have to carry employers liability insurance, and I have a statutory duty of care to take all reasonable steps to see that the health and safety of employees and members of the public who might enter the premises are safeguarded.

If you rock up to work drunk or stoned, you're going home. Your productivity is not my primary concern, your decreased judgement, motor skills & situational awareness are.
 
2017-03-16 09:18:59 AM  

moofburger: This is farkin retarded. As an employer I have to carry employers liability insurance, and I have a statutory duty of care to take all reasonable steps to see that the health and safety of employees and members of the public who might enter the premises are safeguarded.

If you rock up to work drunk or stoned, you're going home. Your productivity is not my primary concern, your decreased judgement, motor skills & situational awareness are.


We actually have a historic story in our state where a new leader of the car plant leader decided to do exactly what you would do, he did a complete factory line drunk test.

Guess what happened, you ignorant farkhead?  Over 55% of the total line failed the test. A line that had no real problems and had been working fine for years, even decades

Guess what the intelligent managers did - they dumped the results, pretended they never existed, sacked the wanker who thought of it, and moved on.
 
2017-03-16 09:23:19 AM  

Langdon_777: moofburger: This is farkin retarded. As an employer I have to carry employers liability insurance, and I have a statutory duty of care to take all reasonable steps to see that the health and safety of employees and members of the public who might enter the premises are safeguarded.

If you rock up to work drunk or stoned, you're going home. Your productivity is not my primary concern, your decreased judgement, motor skills & situational awareness are.

We actually have a historic story in our state where a new leader of the car plant leader decided to do exactly what you would do, he did a complete factory line drunk test.

Guess what happened, you ignorant farkhead?  Over 55% of the total line failed the test. A line that had no real problems and had been working fine for years, even decades

Guess what the intelligent managers did - they dumped the results, pretended they never existed, sacked the wanker who thought of it, and moved on.


Link to this story, perhaps?

And if you want to work on an assembly line drunk, go for it. But if you lose a finger while doing so don't except an insurance claim or workman's comp.
 
2017-03-16 09:29:19 AM  

pastramithemosterotic: Langdon_777: moofburger: This is farkin retarded. As an employer I have to carry employers liability insurance, and I have a statutory duty of care to take all reasonable steps to see that the health and safety of employees and members of the public who might enter the premises are safeguarded.

If you rock up to work drunk or stoned, you're going home. Your productivity is not my primary concern, your decreased judgement, motor skills & situational awareness are.

We actually have a historic story in our state where a new leader of the car plant leader decided to do exactly what you would do, he did a complete factory line drunk test.

Guess what happened, you ignorant farkhead?  Over 55% of the total line failed the test. A line that had no real problems and had been working fine for years, even decades

Guess what the intelligent managers did - they dumped the results, pretended they never existed, sacked the wanker who thought of it, and moved on.

Link to this story, perhaps?

And if you want to work on an assembly line drunk, go for it. But if you lose a finger while doing so don't except an insurance claim or workman's comp.


I really meant high not drunk.  It was pot that resulted in the company ignoring the result, almost halve their line was high.  Because it makes that type of work bearable for sane people.  Most business leaders do not ever think about the psychological consequences of someone doing the same thing over and over, every day for years and years.
 
2017-03-16 09:29:31 AM  
The DEA should take up this policy. Know your customer!
 
2017-03-16 09:34:49 AM  

Langdon_777: moofburger: This is farkin retarded. As an employer I have to carry employers liability insurance, and I have a statutory duty of care to take all reasonable steps to see that the health and safety of employees and members of the public who might enter the premises are safeguarded.

If you rock up to work drunk or stoned, you're going home. Your productivity is not my primary concern, your decreased judgement, motor skills & situational awareness are.

We actually have a historic story in our state where a new leader of the car plant leader decided to do exactly what you would do, he did a complete factory line drunk test.

Guess what happened, you ignorant farkhead?  Over 55% of the total line failed the test. A line that had no real problems and had been working fine for years, even decades

Guess what the intelligent managers did - they dumped the results, pretended they never existed, sacked the wanker who thought of it, and moved on.


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Tell us another one.
 
2017-03-16 09:39:05 AM  
I had a boss insisted that I go on break and smoke a bowl. I had quit for a few weeks and it was hurting my mood and productivity.
 
2017-03-16 09:39:20 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I think I'm going to apply for a job in Colombia. I speak the language and I hear cocaine is way cheaper there. I'll probably keep that off my cover letter, though.


I would definitely call out speaking the language on your cover letter.
 
2017-03-16 09:42:01 AM  

Langdon_777: JackieRabbit: Ok, do you really want an airline pilot or a surgeon to be allowed to come to work stoned or drunk? There is no way I can do my job while drunk.

BTW, there is no law in the US that prevents this in any general sense. But most employers would not tolerated it because a drunken employee makes them liable.

That is why airline pilots and surgeons get payed waaaaay more than factory line workers.  One requires total focus, the others require robotic mindlessness.


Being a surgeon is way more difficult.  Pilot, not so much.
 
2017-03-16 09:48:16 AM  
As much as I like this idea, I've done this and I am super productive.. for about an hour, meaning I get three hour work done in 8 so better than average for fark I guess
 
2017-03-16 09:55:32 AM  

Jimmy's getting angry: Langdon_777: moofburger: This is farkin retarded. As an employer I have to carry employers liability insurance, and I have a statutory duty of care to take all reasonable steps to see that the health and safety of employees and members of the public who might enter the premises are safeguarded.

If you rock up to work drunk or stoned, you're going home. Your productivity is not my primary concern, your decreased judgement, motor skills & situational awareness are.

We actually have a historic story in our state where a new leader of the car plant leader decided to do exactly what you would do, he did a complete factory line drunk test.

Guess what happened, you ignorant farkhead?  Over 55% of the total line failed the test. A line that had no real problems and had been working fine for years, even decades

Guess what the intelligent managers did - they dumped the results, pretended they never existed, sacked the wanker who thought of it, and moved on.

Fwd: Fwd: Fwd: Fwd: Fwd: Fwd: Fwd: Fwd:
Tell us another one.


The whole thing ended up with the Mississippi plant ultimately closing in our state.  Had nothing to do with the drugs, just economics but it is a known historic fact in our state.  I doubt you can question why the leaders decided as they did .... $$$ is always the master.
 
2017-03-16 10:04:27 AM  
Langdon_777:

The whole thing ended up with the Mississippi plant ultimately closing in our state.  Had nothing to do with the drugs, just economics but it is a known historic fact in our state.  I doubt you can question why the leaders decided as they did .... $$$ is always the master.

If it's a known historic fact why can't you provide a single source?
 
2017-03-16 10:07:58 AM  

Langdon_777: moofburger: This is farkin retarded. As an employer I have to carry employers liability insurance, and I have a statutory duty of care to take all reasonable steps to see that the health and safety of employees and members of the public who might enter the premises are safeguarded.

If you rock up to work drunk or stoned, you're going home. Your productivity is not my primary concern, your decreased judgement, motor skills & situational awareness are.

We actually have a historic story in our state where a new leader of the car plant leader decided to do exactly what you would do, he did a complete factory line drunk test.

Guess what happened, you ignorant farkhead?  Over 55% of the total line failed the test. A line that had no real problems and had been working fine for years, even decades

Guess what the intelligent managers did - they dumped the results, pretended they never existed, sacked the wanker who thought of it, and moved on.


Colombia disagrees with your logic, which may be one of their problems.
 
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2017-03-16 10:37:35 AM  
My pops was a supervisor in the tool room for a GM headlight assembly plant, so my first thought was 'Union?'.

The boys would visit the bar across the street for lunch, and on occasion come back too loose to be allowed near any machinery. Management didn't want to be liable for sending a drunk home based on the potential for an accident if they drove off the lot. Since they didn't clock out until they could sober up, they were paid for the time.

As far as working while high, if the employer has liability, then the employer decides. And while you may be a high functioning substance user, if you screw up my order, and I find out you're not sober, I'm an ex-customer.
 
2017-03-16 10:39:53 AM  
Oh shiat do you guys know how much effort I would have to make to find links from over 10 years ago, to things that only happened locally?

It is 1am Friday here - I have drunk almost 2 litres of Cab Merlot, there is no way I am doing (or even capable of) indepth research.

Just accept that what I am talking about was true at the time and that our community got a giggle or two out of it.
 
2017-03-16 10:41:29 AM  

MasterAdkins: If their productivity isn't affected then what is the problem?


Typing on a keyboard I got no issue with. Bolting on parts to heavy machinery that may fall apart later killing someone I do. I don't want a drunk putting on that last couple screws for my steering column.
 
2017-03-16 10:49:58 AM  
Langdon_777:

Just accept that what I am talking about was true at the time and that our community got a giggle or two out of it.

cdn4.teen.com
 
2017-03-16 11:04:46 AM  

pastramithemosterotic: Langdon_777:

Just accept that what I am talking about was true at the time and that our community got a giggle or two out of it.

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The factory is now crap land, I think someone is attempting to turn it into houses, but back then this was a true story that happened. They did the drug tests and then hid the results because over 50% of their line turned out to be positive (for pot.)  They realised that to go heavy on the results would destroy production, so instead they smothered the results and just continued business as usual.
 
2017-03-16 11:09:20 AM  

chozo13: Ashlea: What if productivity goes up?

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Change "programming skill" with "skill at playing billiards" and that looks right to me. I call it the Golden Level of Drunkenness.


Or darts.  My god, i'm usually a 1.8/15 player, one night I achieved that level and I shot a 4.2/30
 
2017-03-16 11:50:17 AM  

Langdon_777: JackieRabbit: Ok, do you really want an airline pilot or a surgeon to be allowed to come to work stoned or drunk? There is no way I can do my job while drunk.

BTW, there is no law in the US that prevents this in any general sense. But most employers would not tolerated it because a drunken employee makes them liable.

That is why airline pilots and surgeons get payed waaaaay more than factory line workers.  One requires total focus, the others require robotic mindlessness.


I thought it was because they were more in demand.
 
2017-03-16 12:07:43 PM  

mjbok: Langdon_777: JackieRabbit: Ok, do you really want an airline pilot or a surgeon to be allowed to come to work stoned or drunk? There is no way I can do my job while drunk.

BTW, there is no law in the US that prevents this in any general sense. But most employers would not tolerated it because a drunken employee makes them liable.

That is why airline pilots and surgeons get payed waaaaay more than factory line workers.  One requires total focus, the others require robotic mindlessness.

Being a surgeon is way more difficult.  Pilot, not so much.


Actually, both jobs are quite similar. Not a surgeon here but an aircraft owner/pilot. Flying as they say is hours of boredom occasionally punctuated by minutes of sheer terror. Surgery according to my doctor friends is more or less identical. 99% nothing goes wrong, but when it does, you have just a few seconds to scan your brain for years of stored "manuals" and perform a correct action in order to save the day, otherwise it's just slicing meat.

I can attest to the fact that under normal circumstances, I will fly smoother in a simulator slightly buzzed and/or high (quality tested during recurrent after hours in "lovely" Wichita, KS), but when a wrench gets thrown into the equation, such engine loss on take off departing Aspen or Eagle for example and then needing to switch navigation to a custom emergency departure procedure (with only 35ft of vertical terrain clearance to spare) on the "fly", things get iffy rather quickly when under the influence of any drug other than maybe amphetamines. I've piloted hung over once in my life, never again. The biggest issue with marijuana is latent effects that last far longer than the high. You are simply slower for a few days after toking up. It switches your brain into a different gear, not necessarily negative for a lot of work (I've architected some solutions I could never have come up with stone cold sober) but I would never recommend smoking/drinking/drugs for a few days before you know your life might depend on quickly executing a correct course of action and only have one chance at getting it right. So weed and flying lifestyle are fairly exclusive of one another. But that's why you hire pilots ;-)
 
2017-03-16 12:24:24 PM  

jayphat: MasterAdkins: If their productivity isn't affected then what is the problem?

Typing on a keyboard I got no issue with. Bolting on parts to heavy machinery that may fall apart later killing someone I do. I don't want a drunk putting on that last couple screws for my steering column.


The steering column is the least of your worries. It's an automated torque gun, hard to screw up, no matter how drunk or high.

I would worry much more about your stability control software because I assure you most of the fellows that wrote it were major junkies. I worked on these projects. I would simply ask for a lighter to light up a cigarette and most had ash marks from packing bong bowls the night before. Now it's a lot harder to tell since most of the yuts no longer smoke cigarettes but when it comes to substance abuse amongst programmers, I bet not much has changed over the years. The entire credit card processing network in US of A was designed by fellow that had to go to his car at least once an hour to hit the bottle. He was an unpleasant prick to work with but then he did have to work with MVS. Just working six months on that project decades after it was originally put together almost drove to to alcoholism as well. I wonder if he is still around.
 
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