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(PCWorld)   AMD: Performance problems? Look, if you buy a Ryzen, you'll get 3 more for free. Seriously. We're just giving them away. What do you need 4 processors for? Hell if I know. Give them to friends, shower your neighbors with them   ( pcworld.com) divider line
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2017-03-16 10:26:01 AM  
That's good price for what you get.  My dilemma will be getting either a B350 or a X370.  But I will only run one card...at least at first.
 
2017-03-16 11:49:40 AM  
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//with better cooling it would run stable
 
2017-03-16 09:41:28 PM  
Seriously, Intel had better answer this FAST. Their run of high priced but way better chips is over. They can either adjust their prices accordingly or just look at the glory days of the past.
 
2017-03-16 10:00:18 PM  

cretinbob: [img.fark.net image 636x793]

//with better cooling it would run stable


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Ha!  my setup almost mirrors yours.
 
2017-03-16 10:01:00 PM  

jayphat: Seriously, Intel had better answer this FAST. Their run of high priced but way better chips is over. They can either adjust their prices accordingly or just look at the glory days of the past.


You know that AMD has been trying to play this game since the very beginning, right? And they've always lost. Their processors have perennially been slower and less efficient on the high end, and... slower and less efficient on the low end.

AMD decreases their prices to drive to drive up market share, but their profit margins are so much lower that they are still making less $ than Intel. And, because they are making less $, their R&D budget is that much smaller, which causes them to fall even further behind.

Until the next cycle comes around, when someone at AMD says "guys, I think we can capture the budget PC market!". Again.
 
2017-03-16 10:15:14 PM  

Xarian0: jayphat: Seriously, Intel had better answer this FAST. Their run of high priced but way better chips is over. They can either adjust their prices accordingly or just look at the glory days of the past.

You know that AMD has been trying to play this game since the very beginning, right? And they've always lost. Their processors have perennially been slower and less efficient on the high end, and... slower and less efficient on the low end.

AMD decreases their prices to drive to drive up market share, but their profit margins are so much lower that they are still making less $ than Intel. And, because they are making less $, their R&D budget is that much smaller, which causes them to fall even further behind.

Until the next cycle comes around, when someone at AMD says "guys, I think we can capture the budget PC market!". Again.


You are looking at the current results and prices, right?
 
2017-03-16 10:18:03 PM  
Wasn't it all last month people were claiming Intel is dead all hail Ryzen. Memes galore.  Now it's out and it's that quickly the uncool chip on the block.

Never disappoint internet
 
2017-03-16 10:23:17 PM  
Intel have no other option than to drastically reduce their prices and reveal just how much they have been gouging us till now.
 
2017-03-16 10:29:53 PM  

Xarian0: jayphat: Seriously, Intel had better answer this FAST. Their run of high priced but way better chips is over. They can either adjust their prices accordingly or just look at the glory days of the past.

You know that AMD has been trying to play this game since the very beginning, right? And they've always lost. Their processors have perennially been slower and less efficient on the high end, and... slower and less efficient on the low end.

AMD decreases their prices to drive to drive up market share, but their profit margins are so much lower that they are still making less $ than Intel. And, because they are making less $, their R&D budget is that much smaller, which causes them to fall even further behind.

Until the next cycle comes around, when someone at AMD says "guys, I think we can capture the budget PC market!". Again.


Not true.  AMD was ahead of Intel for a period after the release of processors based on the K8 platform (AMD64) while Intel floundered with the Itanium.   But it has been a while since they were competitive.
 
2017-03-16 10:32:00 PM  

jayphat: You are looking at the current results and prices, right?


Yeah, I am. Ryzen is getting killed at anything remotely resembling single-core usage. The only time Ryzen comes out on top vs comparatively-priced Intel CPUs is when the testers (1) ram through as much multi-threading as they can, and (2) offload as much as humanly possible onto the GPU.

As usual, it looks like AMD's offerings are great if you are running massively-multithreaded applications - and, as usual, pretty trashy if you are doing normal stuff.

How much market share do you think AMD is going to get with their budget offerings when Ryzen is engineered to work with applications that budget users are never going to touch?
 
2017-03-16 10:34:09 PM  

Xarian0: jayphat: Seriously, Intel had better answer this FAST. Their run of high priced but way better chips is over. They can either adjust their prices accordingly or just look at the glory days of the past.

You know that AMD has been trying to play this game since the very beginning, right? And they've always lost. Their processors have perennially been slower and less efficient on the high end, and... slower and less efficient on the low end.

AMD decreases their prices to drive to drive up market share, but their profit margins are so much lower that they are still making less $ than Intel. And, because they are making less $, their R&D budget is that much smaller, which causes them to fall even further behind.

Until the next cycle comes around, when someone at AMD says "guys, I think we can capture the budget PC market!". Again.


I remember there being a window between 1998-ish? and maybe 2002? where there were reasons to build a box with AMD chips other than price. Didn't last, though
 
2017-03-16 10:46:33 PM  
I remember there being a window between 1998-ish? and maybe 2002? where there were reasons to build a box with AMD chips other than price. Didn't last, though

The cost of the CPU is only part of the price/performance equation. For a long time the motherboards and ram on the low and middle end were substantially cheaper as well, making the whole system a lot less expensive.  I haven't built anything significant in the last year or so.
 
2017-03-16 10:58:10 PM  
My new game build will end up running $2k+, it will almost certainly have an i7-7700k.   I can't envision a scenario where I would want to throw uncertainty into the mix at that price point in exchange for an even higher price and lesser performance in its primary usage, gaming, in order to use a Ryzen 7.

I waited for the release of Ryzen before making my decision, the promises were so good.  And if I could wait a year for them to figure out how to make fast dd4 work with the AM4 mobo and get other things straightened out that might make single threaded performance competitive then maybe, but not today.

While I want AMD to do well I'm tired of this happening every time I decide on using their stuff.
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2017-03-16 11:04:27 PM  

reprobate1125: I remember there being a window between 1998-ish? and maybe 2002? where there were reasons to build a box with AMD chips other than price. Didn't last, though

The cost of the CPU is only part of the price/performance equation. For a long time the motherboards and ram on the low and middle end were substantially cheaper as well, making the whole system a lot less expensive.  I haven't built anything significant in the last year or so.


This.  OK, people talk about the price/performance of Intel vs. AMD CPUs, but they forget you need something to put them in.  It's difficult to go above $125 when buying an AMD motherboard, meanwhile the middle to high end Intel boards are twice that.  Is moderately superior single core performance worth _that much_ to people?
 
2017-03-16 11:18:09 PM  

taliesinwi: This. OK, people talk about the price/performance of Intel vs. AMD CPUs, but they forget you need something to put them in. It's difficult to go above $125 when buying an AMD motherboard, meanwhile the middle to high end Intel boards are twice that. Is moderately superior single core performance worth _that much_ to people?


You might want to have a look at what AM4 goes for these days, there is exactly zero price savings to be had there and your choices are about 1/10th of whats available for Intel.

Also consider that very few people are even bothering with multi gpu rigs and don't need a $250+ mobo with room for 3-4 cards.    Hell, for $120 you can get a top rated z270 board that will support O.C., fit 64gb of the fastest dd4, has 2 M.2 slots and can run them in RAID, built in wifi and blutooth and will even do SLI if that floats your boat.
 
2017-03-16 11:20:21 PM  
AMD:

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2017-03-16 11:26:59 PM  

Xarian0: jayphat: Seriously, Intel had better answer this FAST. Their run of high priced but way better chips is over. They can either adjust their prices accordingly or just look at the glory days of the past.

You know that AMD has been trying to play this game since the very beginning, right? And they've always lost. Their processors have perennially been slower and less efficient on the high end, and... slower and less efficient on the low end.

AMD decreases their prices to drive to drive up market share, but their profit margins are so much lower that they are still making less $ than Intel. And, because they are making less $, their R&D budget is that much smaller, which causes them to fall even further behind.

Until the next cycle comes around, when someone at AMD says "guys, I think we can capture the budget PC market!". Again.


You seem oddly threatened by this.  Afraid mean ol' AMD might come in an shake up your coze little worldview?
 
2017-03-16 11:34:05 PM  

reprobate1125: I remember there being a window between 1998-ish? and maybe 2002? where there were reasons to build a box with AMD chips other than price. Didn't last, though

The cost of the CPU is only part of the price/performance equation. For a long time the motherboards and ram on the low and middle end were substantially cheaper as well, making the whole system a lot less expensive.  I haven't built anything significant in the last year or so.


You're still fresher than I am. At least 12 years since I last assembled a computer.
 
2017-03-16 11:34:51 PM  
Sounds like the ancient wisdom of not buying the first version of anything applies here.
 
2017-03-17 12:35:38 AM  

Vaginosilicosis: My new game build will end up running $2k+, it will almost certainly have an i7-7700k.   I can't envision a scenario where I would want to throw uncertainty into the mix at that price point in exchange for an even higher price and lesser performance in its primary usage, gaming, in order to use a Ryzen 7.

I waited for the release of Ryzen before making my decision, the promises were so good.  And if I could wait a year for them to figure out how to make fast dd4 work with the AM4 mobo and get other things straightened out that might make single threaded performance competitive then maybe, but not today.

While I want AMD to do well I'm tired of this happening every time I decide on using their stuff.
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That's been my experience too. I've run a quite a few AMD rigs over the years, but smart money has usually been on Intel.

Strangely enough, I've been running this i7-4770k for a while now, and I am not in a rush to upgrade it. Intel just dropped prices on a bunch of their lineup this week, if I was in the market I'd probably be buying an Intel CPU.
 
2017-03-17 01:05:22 AM  

mongbiohazard: That's been my experience too. I've run a quite a few AMD rigs over the years, but smart money has usually been on Intel.


My thought on industries is that there's always room for maybe 2-3 big players, and the rest will flounder.

As someone mentioned, AMD is usually behind, but they have decent engineers so sometimes make a jump ahead from time to time (at which point, Intel throws cash at their R&D budget to afterburn ahead).

/ Hey, anyone remember Cyrix :P
 
2017-03-17 01:17:15 AM  
I have tried AMD processors here and there over the years and always ended up disappointed. The only reason I can think of to buy an AMD processor at the moment is if you can't afford Intel. These seem nice for budget builders, but I think I'll stick with Intel (and Nvidia for the GPU).

/come on EVGA... hurry up and release the 1080 Ti FTW.
 
2017-03-17 01:20:50 AM  
Ryzen - The Tech Press Loses The Plot
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Performance problems? I haven't seen any.

For what I paid for my 1700X, it is a ridiculous beast. I use this machine for gaming, rendering, video editing and generally farking around. I haven't been able to throw a task at it yet where it hasn't blown me away, not just with the increase in performance versus the frankly pretty miserable FX line, but in general terms. Bottlenecking, so far, has become a thing of the past.
It made almost as much of a difference in boot times as changing to an SSD. It's weird to see Windows loading on Ubuntu-like timescales.
Runs cool, too. I'm idling at 19C right now (AIO liquid cooling).

The complaints I have with this new rig (and they are not many) are related to the motherboard BIOS. ASUS seems to have dropped the ball on the Crosshair VI's firmware. The board is very well built, but the BIOS has been a giant headache--sometimes I have to restart the machine two or three times to get it to POST. That's not the CPU's fault, though, and I expect there to be an update sometime soon that will fix the problems.
 
2017-03-17 01:43:17 AM  

JohnnyC: I have tried AMD processors here and there over the years and always ended up disappointed. The only reason I can think of to buy an AMD processor at the moment is if you can't afford Intel. These seem nice for budget builders, but I think I'll stick with Intel (and Nvidia for the GPU).

/come on EVGA... hurry up and release the 1080 Ti FTW.


I've only been building my own and for other people from scratch for the last 7 years and in that time there has not been any good reason to consider an AMD CPU for a performance gaming machine.   But over the last 17 years it seems as if every time I needed to spring for a GPU that ATI/AMD just happened to be in the lead at that particular moment.    And each time those cards were replaced in under a year by a Nvidia because they just never worked right, usually because the drivers never got worked out.

Fool me one, shame on you.   Fool me twice, shame on me.  Fool me times 3 and 4 and the drinking and self flagellation commence.

My self esteem (and liver) can't handle another run up to the AMD football.   My Nvidia experience has been bliss.  From the original Geforce 256 through my current elderly GTX 670 and everything in between both desktop and mobile its been smooth sailing and I see no reason to screw with that until Nvidia lets me down.

I don't miss the days of screwing with jumpers, master/slave drive arrangements, irq conflicts or anything else that used to make working on PC's a Brazil style anxiety fest.   Research and pick the parts right and building a modern PC is stupidly simple, damn near foolproof.  Given that reality why even mess with Ryzen if you have to revisit the bad old days trying to jigger DDR4 into working right or praying for software updates from MS that will maybe help single threaded performance?

Not any particular fanboy, I just want my to play games on my PC...not play games with my PC.
 
2017-03-17 04:14:07 AM  

MrEricSir: Sounds like the ancient wisdom of not buying the first version of anything applies here.


Thing is, when developers start writing for Ryzen, it's actually got the potential to blow Intel's best clean out the water.

I don't have a dog in this race. I have, like, a rescue mutt cos my gadget budget is farking zip. I couldn't afford even a basic modern setup, so it's all academic to me.
 
2017-03-17 04:44:29 AM  

uttertosh: MrEricSir: Sounds like the ancient wisdom of not buying the first version of anything applies here.

Thing is, when developers start writing for Ryzen, it's actually got the potential to blow Intel's best clean out the water.

I don't have a dog in this race. I have, like, a rescue mutt cos my gadget budget is farking zip. I couldn't afford even a basic modern setup, so it's all academic to me.


How's your Windows Phone going?
 
2017-03-17 05:00:46 AM  

dyhchong: uttertosh: MrEricSir: Sounds like the ancient wisdom of not buying the first version of anything applies here.

Thing is, when developers start writing for Ryzen, it's actually got the potential to blow Intel's best clean out the water.

I don't have a dog in this race. I have, like, a rescue mutt cos my gadget budget is farking zip. I couldn't afford even a basic modern setup, so it's all academic to me.

How's your Windows Phone going?


The phone is lovely. Runs like a charm. Plenty of horsepower to run any and all of the app in the store. *tumbleweed*

Remind me: How long does it take for horses to regrow a leg that they amputated themselves? *sigh*

/still no cure for snapcat
 
2017-03-17 06:56:38 AM  

taliesinwi: reprobate1125: I remember there being a window between 1998-ish? and maybe 2002? where there were reasons to build a box with AMD chips other than price. Didn't last, though

The cost of the CPU is only part of the price/performance equation. For a long time the motherboards and ram on the low and middle end were substantially cheaper as well, making the whole system a lot less expensive.  I haven't built anything significant in the last year or so.

This.  OK, people talk about the price/performance of Intel vs. AMD CPUs, but they forget you need something to put them in.  It's difficult to go above $125 when buying an AMD motherboard, meanwhile the middle to high end Intel boards are twice that.  Is moderately superior single core performance worth _that much_ to people?


To people who have more dollars than sense, yes.

I'm still running a Phenom II X4 965BE, and upgraded recently(ish) from a Radeon HD 7850 to an RX480. I'm having no issues with performance, so at this point I'm greatly amused every time I see I Intel top-enders insist that their ultra-expensive chipsets are worth it.

Here's the rub: it's not 1990 anymore. Just like you should put as much thought into your optic and ammo when buying a gun, the graphics card, ram, and cooling setup end up overtaking the inherent potential of the processor. Don't overspend on something that you either won't make use of, or won't be able to see the difference in unless your own eyesight is fantastic.
 
2017-03-17 07:10:48 AM  

uttertosh: dyhchong: uttertosh: MrEricSir: Sounds like the ancient wisdom of not buying the first version of anything applies here.

Thing is, when developers start writing for Ryzen, it's actually got the potential to blow Intel's best clean out the water.

I don't have a dog in this race. I have, like, a rescue mutt cos my gadget budget is farking zip. I couldn't afford even a basic modern setup, so it's all academic to me.

How's your Windows Phone going?

The phone is lovely. Runs like a charm. Plenty of horsepower to run any and all of the app in the store. *tumbleweed*

Remind me: How long does it take for horses to regrow a leg that they amputated themselves? *sigh*

/still no cure for snapcat


Hey fark you people, I love my Windows phone. And even though my old one couldn't survive a washing machine (way to go, Microsoft) I upgraded to my first Win10 phone and it is fabulous!

/dont use or care about Snapchat
 
2017-03-17 08:42:18 AM  
Ah, the good ole days of rig building.  I don't really miss it. It's servers and laptops for me these days. I haven't played a "com puter vidya game" in a while, maybe that's why I haven't felt the need to build a new powerhouse. But I have been piecing together beaglebones and raspberry pi's to work on automation with the least amount of power consumed. It's almost the opposite of rig building, isn't it?

I bought my last graphics card to mine bitcoins. Does anyone have a suggested setup (amd or intel) for that? Thanks in advance!
 
2017-03-17 09:08:18 AM  
It brings a tear to my eye to see that the spirit of Commodore vs Atari is still alive.
 
2017-03-17 09:54:19 AM  

talkertopc: It brings a tear to my eye to see that the spirit of Commodore vs Atari is still alive.


I'd argue for Jay Miner and against Jack Tramiel: either generation (they flipped sides between 8-16bit).  To be honest, I'd expect more hostility toward Apple for all of the above.

/are there really 4 AMD chips for each motherboard?
//things could go better
///but probably not the chips.  I can't believe how much of a better position this puts AMD.
 
2017-03-17 10:21:28 AM  

lordargent: mongbiohazard: That's been my experience too. I've run a quite a few AMD rigs over the years, but smart money has usually been on Intel.

My thought on industries is that there's always room for maybe 2-3 big players, and the rest will flounder.

As someone mentioned, AMD is usually behind, but they have decent engineers so sometimes make a jump ahead from time to time (at which point, Intel throws cash at their R&D budget to afterburn ahead).

/ Hey, anyone remember Cyrix :P


I had a Cyrix chip. Got it at a computer show (member those?). I saved like a whole $20 buying it...... and regretted it every damn day until I replaced that piece of trash.
 
2017-03-17 11:21:55 AM  

Kairam: taliesinwi: reprobate1125: I remember there being a window between 1998-ish? and maybe 2002? where there were reasons to build a box with AMD chips other than price. Didn't last, though

The cost of the CPU is only part of the price/performance equation. For a long time the motherboards and ram on the low and middle end were substantially cheaper as well, making the whole system a lot less expensive.  I haven't built anything significant in the last year or so.

This.  OK, people talk about the price/performance of Intel vs. AMD CPUs, but they forget you need something to put them in.  It's difficult to go above $125 when buying an AMD motherboard, meanwhile the middle to high end Intel boards are twice that.  Is moderately superior single core performance worth _that much_ to people?

To people who have more dollars than sense, yes.

I'm still running a Phenom II X4 965BE, and upgraded recently(ish) from a Radeon HD 7850 to an RX480. I'm having no issues with performance, so at this point I'm greatly amused every time I see I Intel top-enders insist that their ultra-expensive chipsets are worth it.

Here's the rub: it's not 1990 anymore. Just like you should put as much thought into your optic and ammo when buying a gun, the graphics card, ram, and cooling setup end up overtaking the inherent potential of the processor. Don't overspend on something that you either won't make use of, or won't be able to see the difference in unless your own eyesight is fantastic.


That's pretty much the same thought as myself....though I'm running a $2000 retail Intel processor setup (dual xeon x5687 for my desktop) that I've paid around $600-$700 in total (that's the complete system, all components) from used corporate liquidation server\workstation parts...used server parts -- the best price to performance ratio one can find.

If I were to buy only new parts, it would be AMD CPUs all day long because their new parts fit my budget.   I prefer the power of Intel, but AMD is priced well enough that I'll wait the extra 30 seconds to compile a kernel (...coffee and poop breaks anybody...).

   I'll consider an AMD APU if/when they finally have one on a DDR4 based platform.  DDR4+ APUs are what's going to be AMD's game changer.  Combine 4 Ryzen cores with an R7 260x or better GPU...well, that one part will cover damn near all games up to this year in 1080p with really high settings except for shadows.   Being able to build a 1080p gaming rig with almost maxed out settings for under $600 without a dedicated GPU, that'll be a game changer....add in a dedicated GPU + matured Vulkan\DX12....fark yeah....even better, design it for multiple slots like my current Xeons.

A DDR4 apu is what I'd like to build my parent's next computer around.  All they need is 1080p, web browsing, streaming video services, and medium to high (PS3/4) graphics for games.
 
2017-03-17 12:11:44 PM  
The problem with Ryzen right now has nothing to do with performance. Ryzen is living up to what people were expecting from it.

It's the LACK OF MOTHERBOARDS. EVERY ONLINE STORE is 'out of stock' on every motherboard, and they're taking forever to get them out to people.
 
2017-03-17 12:16:36 PM  

uttertosh: MrEricSir: Sounds like the ancient wisdom of not buying the first version of anything applies here.

Thing is, when developers start writing for Ryzen, it's actually got the potential to blow Intel's best clean out the water.

I don't have a dog in this race. I have, like, a rescue mutt cos my gadget budget is farking zip. I couldn't afford even a basic modern setup, so it's all academic to me.


As a software engineer, I have to break some bad news to you -- nobody will go out of their way to create a separate build just for Ryzen users. That doesn't happen, won't happen, and will never happen.
 
2017-03-17 12:34:02 PM  

MrEricSir: uttertosh: MrEricSir: Sounds like the ancient wisdom of not buying the first version of anything applies here.

Thing is, when developers start writing for Ryzen, it's actually got the potential to blow Intel's best clean out the water.

I don't have a dog in this race. I have, like, a rescue mutt cos my gadget budget is farking zip. I couldn't afford even a basic modern setup, so it's all academic to me.

As a software engineer, I have to break some bad news to you -- nobody will go out of their way to create a separate build just for Ryzen users. That doesn't happen, won't happen, and will never happen.


I've learned that if I want special builds for my special setup, I compile the software myself.

But it does happen.  It's kind of rare, but it does happen.  Folding at home is a great example of it happening.  OSX and it's Universal Binaries is sort of that happening.  Some games have UB style executables that are wrappers for various architecture specific binaries.  But for the majority of software, it doesn't happen unless it's open source and you do it yourself.
 
2017-03-17 03:07:29 PM  

Massively Multiplayer Addict: The problem with Ryzen right now has nothing to do with performance. Ryzen is living up to what people were expecting from it.

It's the LACK OF MOTHERBOARDS. EVERY ONLINE STORE is 'out of stock' on every motherboard, and they're taking forever to get them out to people.


Looks to be pretty in stock to me except a few of the very high end boards.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1​&​N=100007625%20601292786
 
2017-03-17 05:31:04 PM  

Massively Multiplayer Addict: The problem with Ryzen right now has nothing to do with performance. Ryzen is living up to what people were expecting from it.

It's the LACK OF MOTHERBOARDS. EVERY ONLINE STORE is 'out of stock' on every motherboard, and they're taking forever to get them out to people.


I Had the same problem with the RX480s when they first came out. Farking everyone was sold out for weeks.
 
2017-03-17 06:11:19 PM  
Is it "RYE-zin" or "rizzen"?
 
2017-03-17 06:30:17 PM  

Dragonflew: Is it "RYE-zin" or "rizzen"?


Officially, "rye-zen". I prefer "riz-en". First one sounds kinda lame, like it's a brand of baking powder. Second one sounds more badass like "risen from the grave".
 
2017-03-17 06:44:29 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Officially, "rye-zen".


Well, let's hope it has mojo, mister.
 
2017-03-17 07:35:16 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Dragonflew: Is it "RYE-zin" or "rizzen"?

Officially, "rye-zen". I prefer "riz-en". First one sounds kinda lame, like it's a brand of baking powder. Second one sounds more badass like "risen from the grave".


I thought it was "risen" the first time I saw it and all I could think of was 80's christian butt metal band.
 
2017-03-17 08:26:15 PM  
I think the best we can hope for is that the new AMD processors forces Intel to lower their prices a bit, and maybe make their 8 series more powerful instead of the baby steps they have been taking in the last few processor generations.
If I were to replace my ancient i5 2500K rig with something new today, I would probably go for an i7 7700K.
I use it mainly for photo editing and a bit of gaming.
 
2017-03-17 09:01:49 PM  

All Latest: I think the best we can hope for is that the new AMD processors forces Intel to lower their prices a bit, and maybe make their 8 series more powerful instead of the baby steps they have been taking in the last few processor generations.
If I were to replace my ancient i5 2500K rig with something new today, I would probably go for an i7 7700K.
I use it mainly for photo editing and a bit of gaming.


I've got a 2500k still as well, there hasn't been much reason to build a new rig except fear of parts on this one failing.   It has been running OC at 4.2 for 6 years and still has a few mechanical HD, something is going to go tits up.

Its insane to think that Intel hasn't boosted performance much in the last 7 years because they don't know how.   The stuff they made 6 years ago was still faster than the newest AMD stuff until 2 weeks ago...why blow your load and compete against yourself for no good reason?

"Oh shiat, AMD has finally caught up to the chips we released last year...we're screwed, everyone go home, you're fired, burn everything to the ground on your way out" -Said nobody at Intel in the last 2 weeks.

"Ok, they caught up...let them get really invested in this roll out and once the Ryzen 3 hits flip the switch on the 8th gen fab that will bump up per clock performance by 45% and we can all go back to playing Overwatch for a couple years till AMD picks their teeth up off the ground and comes drunkenly stumbling toward us again."  -More likely to have been said in Hillsboro OR
 
2017-03-18 03:14:48 AM  

somedude210: uttertosh: dyhchong: uttertosh: MrEricSir: Sounds like the ancient wisdom of not buying the first version of anything applies here.

Thing is, when developers start writing for Ryzen, it's actually got the potential to blow Intel's best clean out the water.

I don't have a dog in this race. I have, like, a rescue mutt cos my gadget budget is farking zip. I couldn't afford even a basic modern setup, so it's all academic to me.

How's your Windows Phone going?

The phone is lovely. Runs like a charm. Plenty of horsepower to run any and all of the app in the store. *tumbleweed*

Remind me: How long does it take for horses to regrow a leg that they amputated themselves? *sigh*

/still no cure for snapcat

Hey fark you people, I love my Windows phone. And even though my old one couldn't survive a washing machine (way to go, Microsoft) I upgraded to my first Win10 phone and it is fabulous!

/dont use or care about Snapchat


Hey, I actually *LOVE* W10, and *LOVE* my phone, but Microsoft nerfed the store during the switch. There were at least 10 apps I had on my W8 phone that didn't work on W10, and have had no upgrade, nor any viable alternative for. They totally borked the handover from the Nokia folks.

I've been in threads defending Windows phone for years on fark, and it's 100% the best mobile OS, imho. Microsoft just dropped the ball on keeping interest alive in their product.
 
2017-03-18 10:06:23 AM  

uttertosh: somedude210: uttertosh: dyhchong: uttertosh: MrEricSir: Sounds like the ancient wisdom of not buying the first version of anything applies here.

Thing is, when developers start writing for Ryzen, it's actually got the potential to blow Intel's best clean out the water.

I don't have a dog in this race. I have, like, a rescue mutt cos my gadget budget is farking zip. I couldn't afford even a basic modern setup, so it's all academic to me.

How's your Windows Phone going?

The phone is lovely. Runs like a charm. Plenty of horsepower to run any and all of the app in the store. *tumbleweed*

Remind me: How long does it take for horses to regrow a leg that they amputated themselves? *sigh*

/still no cure for snapcat

Hey fark you people, I love my Windows phone. And even though my old one couldn't survive a washing machine (way to go, Microsoft) I upgraded to my first Win10 phone and it is fabulous!

/dont use or care about Snapchat

Hey, I actually *LOVE* W10, and *LOVE* my phone, but Microsoft nerfed the store during the switch. There were at least 10 apps I had on my W8 phone that didn't work on W10, and have had no upgrade, nor any viable alternative for. They totally borked the handover from the Nokia folks.

I've been in threads defending Windows phone for years on fark, and it's 100% the best mobile OS, imho. Microsoft just dropped the ball on keeping interest alive in their product.


eh, the move to Win10 provides for their unified app architecture across platforms so some actual apps should start migrating over soon. At least I have an amazon app again. Though I liked the old one that amazon discontinued a bit better
 
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