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2017-03-16 06:36:29 AM  
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Let's fark over Dweezil
 
2017-03-16 08:37:02 AM  
Whut?
 
2017-03-16 09:41:07 AM  
I thought Zappa's wife was.
 
2017-03-16 09:48:36 AM  
My understanding of the situation is that Ahmet and Diva are denying Dweezil and Moon Unit easy access to the trust, which has had trouble even turning a profit as of late.  What I find really perplexing is Ahmet's previous work with ZPZ tours.
 
2017-03-16 09:53:36 AM  

harleyquinnical: My understanding of the situation is that Ahmet and Diva are denying Dweezil and Moon Unit easy access to the trust, which has had trouble even turning a profit as of late.  What I find really perplexing is Ahmet's previous work with ZPZ tours.


Well, IIRC, the dickhead portion of the family got litigious whenever people would try to play Zappa's music, even going so far as to sue Dweezil. So, without people playing it, what was already a semi-obscure artist got even more obscure. Now there's no one left to buy the tchotchkes and geegaws, so no more money flowing in.
 
2017-03-16 10:20:13 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: harleyquinnical: My understanding of the situation is that Ahmet and Diva are denying Dweezil and Moon Unit easy access to the trust, which has had trouble even turning a profit as of late.  What I find really perplexing is Ahmet's previous work with ZPZ tours.

Well, IIRC, the dickhead portion of the family got litigious whenever people would try to play Zappa's music, even going so far as to sue Dweezil. So, without people playing it, what was already a semi-obscure artist got even more obscure. Now there's no one left to buy the tchotchkes and geegaws, so no more money flowing in.


This. The kids that would have gotten into Zappa in the past undoubtedly have other influences now.
 
2017-03-16 10:31:52 AM  
I love me some Frank Zappa, and thoroughly enjoyed Zappa Plays Zappa when I saw them seven(!) years ago.  But it really feels like something is off with these people.  I think they see FZ's musical legacy as an ATM rather than something to be preserved for posterity.  I'm sure if Zappa's music had been more palatable to the general public, they would have licensed the shiat out of it for movies, commercials, etc.
 
2017-03-16 10:32:04 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: harleyquinnical: My understanding of the situation is that Ahmet and Diva are denying Dweezil and Moon Unit easy access to the trust, which has had trouble even turning a profit as of late.  What I find really perplexing is Ahmet's previous work with ZPZ tours.

Well, IIRC, the dickhead portion of the family got litigious whenever people would try to play Zappa's music, even going so far as to sue Dweezil. So, without people playing it, what was already a semi-obscure artist got even more obscure. Now there's no one left to buy the tchotchkes and geegaws, so no more money flowing in.


Yes. What happened is that as soon as the mother died, Ahmet got an injunction preventing Dweezil from using the Zappa plays Zappa name.
 
2017-03-16 10:34:43 AM  

happydude45: FirstNationalBastard: harleyquinnical: My understanding of the situation is that Ahmet and Diva are denying Dweezil and Moon Unit easy access to the trust, which has had trouble even turning a profit as of late.  What I find really perplexing is Ahmet's previous work with ZPZ tours.

Well, IIRC, the dickhead portion of the family got litigious whenever people would try to play Zappa's music, even going so far as to sue Dweezil. So, without people playing it, what was already a semi-obscure artist got even more obscure. Now there's no one left to buy the tchotchkes and geegaws, so no more money flowing in.

Yes. What happened is that as soon as the mother died, Ahmet got an injunction preventing Dweezil from using the Zappa plays Zappa name.


Yep, and that's really shiatty of Ahmet, considering Dweezil has always been playing his Dad's songs.   And I'm curious, just what is Ahmet and Diva doing these days????
 
2017-03-16 10:52:37 AM  
To ruin a name, wouldn't people have to be talking about it?  Zappa was a great name 40 years ago but it's not like he's very relevant anymore.
 
2017-03-16 11:02:44 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: I thought Zappa's wife was.


you would be correct. Gayle was the real nutter.

But Dweezil has a point. He is supposedly due a bunch of back $$ from merchandise sales when the agreement ran through his mother. She never paid him the money and kept it. She then essentially cut Moon and Dweezil out f the estate business and now the two youngest are the ones fighting with Dweezil. Which is kind of funny because Dweezil is really the only one keeping the name out in the music scene. If not for him, they wouldn't be bringing in anything. so it sort of in their best interest to cut a deal with their brother if they want to continue not having to work.

And if you want to see a better cover band of Franks music for less go see the Z3.
 
2017-03-16 11:08:01 AM  

George_Spelvin: To ruin a name, wouldn't people have to be talking about it?  Zappa was a great name 40 years ago but it's not like he's very relevant anymore.


He is when his music is being played on a live tour. When it's being played live college and local PBS stations play it on the radio.
I'm a big fan, and in the '90s and '00s I played one of his songs on the radio every show.
 
2017-03-16 11:09:09 AM  
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2017-03-16 11:10:57 AM  
I saw Frank Zappa when I was 16, Steve Vai was on guitar, it was farking amazing, and it was in a theater setting, so even the worst seats at a great view.  Would I pay to see a Zappa cover band even if it was by his kids?  No.  No interest, not even if tickets were free.  I'm surprised there's still an interest in a cover band.
 
2017-03-16 11:18:48 AM  
dweezil Zappa - My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mamma
Youtube nISG72CRP0E

/Oblig
 
2017-03-16 11:21:21 AM  

idrow: I saw Frank Zappa when I was 16, Steve Vai was on guitar, it was farking amazing, and it was in a theater setting, so even the worst seats at a great view.  Would I pay to see a Zappa cover band even if it was by his kids?  No.  No interest, not even if tickets were free.  I'm surprised there's still an interest in a cover band.


Dweezil spent years memorizing all of his fathers songs and solos note for note. When I saw zappa plays zappa a few years ago there were 2 or 3 of Frank's band members with him. I saw the Play whatever I want tour last year, and it was very good as well. Don't discount Dweezil at all. He knows his dad's stuff better than anyone.
 
2017-03-16 11:24:35 AM  

happydude45: idrow: I saw Frank Zappa when I was 16, Steve Vai was on guitar, it was farking amazing, and it was in a theater setting, so even the worst seats at a great view.  Would I pay to see a Zappa cover band even if it was by his kids?  No.  No interest, not even if tickets were free.  I'm surprised there's still an interest in a cover band.

Dweezil spent years memorizing all of his fathers songs and solos note for note. When I saw zappa plays zappa a few years ago there were 2 or 3 of Frank's band members with him. I saw the Play whatever I want tour last year, and it was very good as well. Don't discount Dweezil at all. He knows his dad's stuff better than anyone.


I have every intention of seeing Dweezil play.   I missed my chance to see Frank and this seems like the next best thing.
 
2017-03-16 11:26:03 AM  
Dweezel is a fantastic guitar player. Of course it helps being taught by guys like Frank Zappa, Warren DiMartini, Eddie Van Halen and Steve Vai...but the guy is where he is. I'd pay a decent amount to sit and jam with him for a couple hours.
 
2017-03-16 11:27:16 AM  

raerae1980: happydude45: idrow: I saw Frank Zappa when I was 16, Steve Vai was on guitar, it was farking amazing, and it was in a theater setting, so even the worst seats at a great view.  Would I pay to see a Zappa cover band even if it was by his kids?  No.  No interest, not even if tickets were free.  I'm surprised there's still an interest in a cover band.

Dweezil spent years memorizing all of his fathers songs and solos note for note. When I saw zappa plays zappa a few years ago there were 2 or 3 of Frank's band members with him. I saw the Play whatever I want tour last year, and it was very good as well. Don't discount Dweezil at all. He knows his dad's stuff better than anyone.

I have every intention of seeing Dweezil play.   I missed my chance to see Frank and this seems like the next best thing.


Do it. It's the only thing, really.
 
2017-03-16 11:28:53 AM  

lindalouwho: raerae1980: happydude45: idrow: I saw Frank Zappa when I was 16, Steve Vai was on guitar, it was farking amazing, and it was in a theater setting, so even the worst seats at a great view.  Would I pay to see a Zappa cover band even if it was by his kids?  No.  No interest, not even if tickets were free.  I'm surprised there's still an interest in a cover band.

Dweezil spent years memorizing all of his fathers songs and solos note for note. When I saw zappa plays zappa a few years ago there were 2 or 3 of Frank's band members with him. I saw the Play whatever I want tour last year, and it was very good as well. Don't discount Dweezil at all. He knows his dad's stuff better than anyone.

I have every intention of seeing Dweezil play.   I missed my chance to see Frank and this seems like the next best thing.

Do it. It's the only thing, really.


Yea, I think we will.  We're just waiting for tickets to go on sale.
 
2017-03-16 11:31:52 AM  
Sorry, da.

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2017-03-16 11:39:04 AM  

happydude45: idrow: I saw Frank Zappa when I was 16, Steve Vai was on guitar, it was farking amazing, and it was in a theater setting, so even the worst seats at a great view.  Would I pay to see a Zappa cover band even if it was by his kids?  No.  No interest, not even if tickets were free.  I'm surprised there's still an interest in a cover band.

Dweezil spent years memorizing all of his fathers songs and solos note for note. When I saw zappa plays zappa a few years ago there were 2 or 3 of Frank's band members with him. I saw the Play whatever I want tour last year, and it was very good as well. Don't discount Dweezil at all. He knows his dad's stuff better than anyone.


Cover bands might be ok in a bar setting, but overall I think they're lazy and unoriginal.  The only exception I've seen was The Machine.  They were mesmerizing and amazing.
 
2017-03-16 12:01:53 PM  

idrow: happydude45: idrow: I saw Frank Zappa when I was 16, Steve Vai was on guitar, it was farking amazing, and it was in a theater setting, so even the worst seats at a great view.  Would I pay to see a Zappa cover band even if it was by his kids?  No.  No interest, not even if tickets were free.  I'm surprised there's still an interest in a cover band.

Dweezil spent years memorizing all of his fathers songs and solos note for note. When I saw zappa plays zappa a few years ago there were 2 or 3 of Frank's band members with him. I saw the Play whatever I want tour last year, and it was very good as well. Don't discount Dweezil at all. He knows his dad's stuff better than anyone.

Cover bands might be ok in a bar setting, but overall I think they're lazy and unoriginal.  The only exception I've seen was The Machine.  They were mesmerizing and amazing.


You have no experience seeing Dweezil play Frank's music, so your sore lack of judgement is noted. A Dweezil plays Frank show is anything but lazy.
 
2017-03-16 12:08:32 PM  
Listen to the most recent Marc Maron podcast for Dweezil's side of it all. (jump to about 7 mins in) Long story short, Gail was a narcissistic nut job, she farked over her own son and now the two youngest siblings are continuing the farking.

DEON COLE / DWEEZIL ZAPPA - WTF Podcast with Marc Maron #718
Youtube Kdzfz6UrXj0


Oh, and this is yours truly with DZ...

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2017-03-16 12:14:52 PM  

happydude45: You have no experience seeing Dweezil play Frank's music, so your sore lack of judgement is noted. A Dweezil plays Frank show is anything but lazy.


Project/Object does a respectable job with FZ's music. Having a rotating cast of MOI alumni doesn't hurt.

/ Denny Walley is still the sickest slide player I've ever seen, well into his 70s.
 
2017-03-16 12:41:24 PM  

idrow: I saw Frank Zappa when I was 16, Steve Vai was on guitar, it was farking amazing, and it was in a theater setting, so even the worst seats at a great view.  Would I pay to see a Zappa cover band even if it was by his kids?  No.  No interest, not even if tickets were free.  I'm surprised there's still an interest in a cover band.


Frank Zappa & Steve Vai
Youtube TEnzdp71U78


So lucky, wish I could go back in time. And I don't think anyone but Vai could do a duet solo with Zappa like that.
 
2017-03-16 01:00:52 PM  
I saw both Frank and Dweezil. Dweezil did a fine job. You would not regret seeing him. But Frank's show was special. Still one of the top 3 live shows I've ever seen.

I agree with those above. Dweezil is the only one keeping the legacy alive. I never understood the extremist views by Gail. Yes, for the first few years after he died I can see holding back. But there must be a time to get airplay again. They could have ruled YouTube.
 
2017-03-16 01:11:11 PM  

mrsleep: idrow: I saw Frank Zappa when I was 16, Steve Vai was on guitar, it was farking amazing, and it was in a theater setting, so even the worst seats at a great view.  Would I pay to see a Zappa cover band even if it was by his kids?  No.  No interest, not even if tickets were free.  I'm surprised there's still an interest in a cover band.

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So lucky, wish I could go back in time. And I don't think anyone but Vai could do a duet solo with Zappa like that.


I've seen a million bands, but when I think of amazing performances I've seen, only 3 come to mind:  Zappa at The Palace Theater, Stanley Clarke at RPI Fieldhouse and Seal at Jones Beach.  It was pure luck I got to see Zappa, the tix were a b-day gift from a friend.
 
2017-03-16 01:21:55 PM  

idrow: I saw Frank Zappa when I was 16, Steve Vai was on guitar, it was farking amazing, and it was in a theater setting, so even the worst seats at a great view.  Would I pay to see a Zappa cover band even if it was by his kids?  No.  No interest, not even if tickets were free.  I'm surprised there's still an interest in a cover band.


I saw him with Vai also, fall 1980 tour when I was 15...the show at Notre Dame University where the events that inspired the song "Stevie's Spanking" supposedly took place. Incredible show and sadly the only time I ever saw him. I've see Dweezil four times and he does his dad's music absolute justice in every way.

This is the original handbill for the show. $9.00 to see FZ!

img.fark.net

PS-The thumbtacks were not put there by me...this was on the wall of a record store and THEY put the tacks in it. I pleaded with the store manager to sell it to me and after a couple of weeks he finally relented. It's framed now away from sharp,scary tacks.

Oh, and here is Steve with the one and only Laurel Fishman (middle) who was a co-participant in the events that inspired the song.

img.fark.net
 
2017-03-16 01:43:21 PM  
I never got to see Frank. Boston shows sold out in minutes to Berklee students, Providence shows sold to RISD. I'd be more than happy to see Dweezil.
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2017-03-16 01:55:25 PM  

zappaisfrank: idrow: I saw Frank Zappa when I was 16, Steve Vai was on guitar, it was farking amazing, and it was in a theater setting, so even the worst seats at a great view.  Would I pay to see a Zappa cover band even if it was by his kids?  No.  No interest, not even if tickets were free.  I'm surprised there's still an interest in a cover band.

I saw him with Vai also, fall 1980 tour when I was 15...the show at Notre Dame University where the events that inspired the song "Stevie's Spanking" supposedly took place. Incredible show and sadly the only time I ever saw him. I've see Dweezil four times and he does his dad's music absolute justice in every way.

This is the original handbill for the show. $9.00 to see FZ!

[img.fark.net image 746x960]

PS-The thumbtacks were not put there by me...this was on the wall of a record store and THEY put the tacks in it. I pleaded with the store manager to sell it to me and after a couple of weeks he finally relented. It's framed now away from sharp,scary tacks.

Oh, and here is Steve with the one and only Laurel Fishman (middle) who was a co-participant in the events that inspired the song.

[img.fark.net image 800x514]


That's cool you got the poster and preserved it.  I have a similar one for Zeppelin hanging on a door in my basement.  Every time I pass it, I think about doing the same, but I usually have my hands full with laundry and by the time I get upstairs, I've forgotten about it.  I'm sure I'll regret my laziness down the road.
 
2017-03-16 02:07:16 PM  
Frank didn't mind Dweezil and others playing his stuff when he was alive. in fact he was set to participate in the event below but fell too ill.

Zappa's Universe - Dirty Love
Youtube P0Yausm4Zjc
 
2017-03-16 02:47:20 PM  
Saw Frank in 1984 at UMass in Amherst. Here's the set list:

Alien Orifice, I'm The Slime, Be In My Video, Cocaine Decisions, Nig Biz, Outside Now, WPLJ, Bamboozled By Love, Goblin Girl, The Black Page 2, Montana, Easy Meat, Joe`s Garage, Why Does It Hurt When I Pee?, Camarillo Brillo, Muffin Man, Cosmik Debris, q: Chana In De Bushwop, The Illinois Enema Bandit.

Would love to see Dweezil someday!
 
2017-03-16 03:02:47 PM  

zappaisfrank: Listen to the most recent Marc Maron podcast for Dweezil's side of it all. (jump to about 7 mins in) Long story short, Gail was a narcissistic nut job, she farked over her own son and now the two youngest siblings are continuing the farking.

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/Kdzfz6UrXj0 - 480x360]

Oh, and this is yours truly with DZ...

[img.fark.net image 850x637]


Holy schneikies.  I had heard or read some of this stuff before, but to hear it out of the Dweez's own mouth...

It's truly sad.  Dweezil, like his father, seems to be a tremendously grounded, sensible individual.  I saw Frank four times.  1974 with the Roxy band, 1975 with something between the Roxy band and the Bongo Fury lineup, 1979, and 1981-2.  I have seen ZPZ six times.  While nothing compares to a Frank Zappa show, Dweezil has captured the great musicianship and a little of the madness of one of Frank's shows.  I've also seen Project Object a few times (with Ike) and, while they're great, the closest thing to the real thing is seeing Dweezil's band.

The anecdotes about the guitars, Robert Zappa, and particularly the note, are gut-wrenching.

What has happened with Frank's legacy, first with Gayle and now with Ahmet/Diva, is a travesty.  So many musicians point to him as an influence, yet the ZFT has strangled the potential of his legacy.  Frank's my favorite musician, bar none.  If that's all I could listen to forever, I'd be OK with that.

Dammit.
 
2017-03-16 03:40:16 PM  

Kid Shelleen: zappaisfrank: Listen to the most recent Marc Maron podcast for Dweezil's side of it all. (jump to about 7 mins in) Long story short, Gail was a narcissistic nut job, she farked over her own son and now the two youngest siblings are continuing the farking.

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/Kdzfz6UrXj0 - 480x360]

Oh, and this is yours truly with DZ...

[img.fark.net image 850x637]

Holy schneikies.  I had heard or read some of this stuff before, but to hear it out of the Dweez's own mouth...

It's truly sad.  Dweezil, like his father, seems to be a tremendously grounded, sensible individual.  I saw Frank four times.  1974 with the Roxy band, 1975 with something between the Roxy band and the Bongo Fury lineup, 1979, and 1981-2.  I have seen ZPZ six times.  While nothing compares to a Frank Zappa show, Dweezil has captured the great musicianship and a little of the madness of one of Frank's shows.  I've also seen Project Object a few times (with Ike) and, while they're great, the closest thing to the real thing is seeing Dweezil's band.

The anecdotes about the guitars, Robert Zappa, and particularly the note, are gut-wrenching.

What has happened with Frank's legacy, first with Gayle and now with Ahmet/Diva, is a travesty.  So many musicians point to him as an influence, yet the ZFT has strangled the potential of his legacy.  Frank's my favorite musician, bar none.  If that's all I could listen to forever, I'd be OK with that.

Dammit.


I still think that Frank is the most underrated guitarist ever
 
2017-03-16 03:45:40 PM  
"I don't give a fark if they remember me at all."  - Frank Zappa
 
2017-03-16 05:14:00 PM  
My buddy and I loved The Happy Hour that aired after Raw back in the late 90's but I don't even think it lasted a full season.  Funny as hell with good musical guests and amusing games, shame it didn't last.
 
2017-03-16 07:01:59 PM  
Dweezil is clearly ruining the Zappa name by going around the world playing his father's music with precision and affection.

Diva's officially licensed yoga pants of irony are a much greater and more noble tribute to Frank as a composer.
 
2017-03-16 07:20:51 PM  

Dels: Dweezil is clearly ruining the Zappa name by going around the world playing his father's music with precision and affection.

Diva's officially licensed yoga pants of irony are a much greater and more noble tribute to Frank as a composer.


May I subscribe to your newsletter, good Sir or Madam?
 
2017-03-16 08:14:38 PM  
In the article the brother and sister say that Dweezil can play what he wants on his tour, and play under the name he wants, as long as they get their cut. So, ultimately, this to me looks like a money issue. Not a legal issue, not family infighting, or whatever else, just money. If they control the estate then he has to pay them, no way around that. It may annoy him to be the one doing the work and going out on tour but he wasn't put in charge so that's that.
 
2017-03-16 09:33:48 PM  
Probably.
 
2017-03-16 09:56:40 PM  

Kid Shelleen: zappaisfrank: Listen to the most recent Marc Maron podcast for Dweezil's side of it all. (jump to about 7 mins in) Long story short, Gail was a narcissistic nut job, she farked over her own son and now the two youngest siblings are continuing the farking.

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/Kdzfz6UrXj0 - 480x360]

Oh, and this is yours truly with DZ...

[img.fark.net image 850x637]

Holy schneikies.  I had heard or read some of this stuff before, but to hear it out of the Dweez's own mouth...

It's truly sad.  Dweezil, like his father, seems to be a tremendously grounded, sensible individual.  I saw Frank four times.  1974 with the Roxy band, 1975 with something between the Roxy band and the Bongo Fury lineup, 1979, and 1981-2.  I have seen ZPZ six times.  While nothing compares to a Frank Zappa show, Dweezil has captured the great musicianship and a little of the madness of one of Frank's shows.  I've also seen Project Object a few times (with Ike) and, while they're great, the closest thing to the real thing is seeing Dweezil's band.

The anecdotes about the guitars, Robert Zappa, and particularly the note, are gut-wrenching.

What has happened with Frank's legacy, first with Gayle and now with Ahmet/Diva, is a travesty.  So many musicians point to him as an influence, yet the ZFT has strangled the potential of his legacy.  Frank's my favorite musician, bar none.  If that's all I could listen to forever, I'd be OK with that.

Dammit.


Moon has also published a number of scathing essays about her mom who was totally textbook narcissist. Gail even sued Moon at some point over something because she makes reference to "here's a legal bill, I made it just for you". Dweezil is the only one of the four with any measurable talent and his shows are note perfect and even contain some musical nuances that only seasoned Zappa fans would catch (his arrangement of RDNZL borrows elements from different versions of the song that unless you well versed would never catch).

Neither Ahmet or Diva have any noticeable contributions to the Zappa legacy other than their mother's greed and control issues.
 
2017-03-17 12:05:39 AM  

idrow: I saw Frank Zappa when I was 16, Steve Vai was on guitar, it was farking amazing, and it was in a theater setting, so even the worst seats at a great view.  Would I pay to see a Zappa cover band even if it was by his kids?  No.  No interest, not even if tickets were free.  I'm surprised there's still an interest in a cover band.



Only someone who's never seen them would call this a cover band. The level of musicianship of the ensembles Dweezil puts together for these shows speaks for itself, not to mentioned that he is often joined by Frank's band members. He wants to keep the music alive, how could anyone have a problem with that?
 
2017-03-17 01:53:45 AM  

zappaisfrank: Listen to the most recent Marc Maron podcast for Dweezil's side of it all. (jump to about 7 mins in) Long story short, Gail was a narcissistic nut job, she farked over her own son and now the two youngest siblings are continuing the farking.

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/Kdzfz6UrXj0 - 480x360]

Oh, and this is yours truly with DZ...

[img.fark.net image 850x637]



Saw him in Vancouver in the eighties, he didn't play much guitar, mostly conducted. It was still awesome.
 
2017-03-17 08:22:29 PM  

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