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(LifeZette)   Ever wondered why you seem to remember your old scratchy LPs sounding better than the nice new digital remasters you replaced them with? You're not imagining things   ( lifezette.com) divider line
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2017-03-15 03:01:40 PM  
www.mediamoves.com

Really? Another loudness wars article? That's old news, even to me.
 
2017-03-15 03:25:09 PM  
I jack my LPs through a RealPlayer filter to make them sound modern.
 
2017-03-15 03:28:42 PM  
holy popups
 
2017-03-15 03:32:16 PM  
Yes, and for oldies: it wasn't the media and it wasn't that the production was digital that made music sound worse.
 
2017-03-15 03:34:37 PM  
You should hear how bad my Caruso LPs sound on my 1914 Edison victorla.
 
2017-03-15 04:44:20 PM  

edmo: I jack my LPs through a RealPlayer filter to make them sound modern.


I guess you could sa...buffering...
 
2017-03-15 04:49:47 PM  
Holy Fark.

That website is absolutely the poster child for why the internet is farking unusable without ad blockers, script blockers, and a frontal lobotomy.

Whoever made that site, and the person who submitted it to fark, and the admin who approved the link should be the stars in a real life Human Centipede 3 [Live on ice!] roadshow, all three joined by rectally connected hoses and force fed kimchi and skyline chili until they explode in a fecalpocolypse.
 
2017-03-15 04:51:22 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Holy Fark.

That website is absolutely the poster child for why the internet is farking unusable without ad blockers, script blockers, and a frontal lobotomy.

Whoever made that site, and the person who submitted it to fark, and the admin who approved the link should be the stars in a real life Human Centipede 3 [Live on ice!] roadshow, all three joined by rectally connected hoses and force fed kimchi and skyline chili until they explode in a fecalpocolypse.


Don't mince words, Bones. Tell us how you REALLY feel.
 
2017-03-15 04:52:09 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2017-03-15 04:53:36 PM  
In before I TOLD YOU SO.

/i told you so
 
2017-03-15 04:56:27 PM  
Loudness - Crazy Nights (HD)
Youtube pXCpPpPCW4c
 
2017-03-15 04:57:47 PM  
Does it matter when all you listen to is pop music.
 
2017-03-15 05:00:17 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Holy Fark.

That website is absolutely the poster child for why the internet is farking unusable without ad blockers, script blockers, and a frontal lobotomy.

Whoever made that site, and the person who submitted it to fark, and the admin who approved the link should be the stars in a real life Human Centipede 3 [Live on ice!] roadshow, all three joined by rectally connected hoses and force fed kimchi and skyline chili until they explode in a fecalpocolypse.


Glad I read these comments before I clicked on the link.
 
2017-03-15 05:00:43 PM  
AUDIOPHILE THREAD IMMINENT ABANDON ALL LOGIC AND BUY WOODEN KNOBS
 
2017-03-15 05:04:20 PM  

RolfBlitzer: Does it matter when all you listen to is pop music.


Folk music listening people problems
 
2017-03-15 05:06:12 PM  

KingBiefWhistle: AUDIOPHILE THREAD IMMINENT ABANDON ALL LOGIC AND BUY WOODEN KNOBS


You philistines crack me up.

Sure, SOME audiophiles go a little overboard, but if you want good sound it's important to use the right equipment... like these.
 
2017-03-15 05:09:34 PM  
The article is correct about Daft Punk. Random Access Memories is one of the best albums I've heard in 10+ years.
 
2017-03-15 05:13:27 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: KingBiefWhistle: AUDIOPHILE THREAD IMMINENT ABANDON ALL LOGIC AND BUY WOODEN KNOBS

You philistines crack me up.

Sure, SOME audiophiles go a little overboard, but if you want good sound it's important to use the right equipment... like these.


But are they danceable? Do they have swing and pace?
 
2017-03-15 05:23:37 PM  

KingBiefWhistle: AUDIOPHILE THREAD IMMINENT ABANDON ALL LOGIC AND BUY WOODEN KNOBS


Don't forget gold cables infused with rainbow dust and unicorn tears
 
2017-03-15 05:24:11 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: KingBiefWhistle: AUDIOPHILE THREAD IMMINENT ABANDON ALL LOGIC AND BUY WOODEN KNOBS

You philistines crack me up.

Sure, SOME audiophiles go a little overboard, but if you want good sound it's important to use the right equipment... like these.


Do you have one of those but made from wood?
 
2017-03-15 05:29:27 PM  
spacebison.com
 
2017-03-15 05:30:10 PM  
It's because I'm old now and the range of hearing I am capable of perceiving is getting narrower by the year?

That's why I "remember" my olde LPs sounding "better"?

/also drugs were better back then...
 
2017-03-15 05:30:39 PM  
...betting it's due to compression...

checks story, see's it is compression

closes link....

/goes back to listening to some vintage best of The Who at absurd volume levels

//AHH WHO THE FARK ARE YOU?
 
2017-03-15 05:33:22 PM  

Mega Steve: KingBiefWhistle: AUDIOPHILE THREAD IMMINENT ABANDON ALL LOGIC AND BUY WOODEN KNOBS

Don't forget gold cables infused with rainbow dust and unicorn tears


Re you telling me the Best Buy salesman lied when he told me that the Monster platinum cables coated in yeti jizz were the absolute top of the line?
 
2017-03-15 05:39:34 PM  
I hear sound quality drop on songs I've known for years (White Room for example).  But, if I've only know digital copies, it sounds fine.
 
2017-03-15 05:39:39 PM  
Steve Albini has  said the same thing, for about 20 years now, now let me find my "Racer X" 7 inch ep (no, not for sale...).
 
2017-03-15 05:40:24 PM  

Mindlock: Mega Steve: KingBiefWhistle: AUDIOPHILE THREAD IMMINENT ABANDON ALL LOGIC AND BUY WOODEN KNOBS

Don't forget gold cables infused with rainbow dust and unicorn tears

Re you telling me the Best Buy salesman lied when he told me that the Monster platinum cables coated in yeti jizz were the absolute top of the line?


He did, cause Loch Ness monster jizz is where it's at.
 
2017-03-15 05:45:06 PM  

KingBiefWhistle: AUDIOPHILE THREAD IMMINENT ABANDON ALL LOGIC AND BUY WOODEN KNOBS


hehhehehehehe.... knobss-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com
 
2017-03-15 05:48:46 PM  
But what about CDs and digital tracks that are mastered by people that aren't too stupid to realize that they are causing clipping and muddying up the mix?
 
2017-03-15 06:00:32 PM  

Mad_Radhu: But what about CDs and digital tracks that are mastered by people that aren't too stupid to realize that they are causing clipping and muddying up the mix?


Doesn't matter if it's a 24/96 remaster in glorious 5.1 surround pressed onto an Audio DVD, some douchebag is going to preach to you about "warmth".
 
2017-03-15 06:05:19 PM  
I have several pieces of vinyl in my collection and they all sound superior to digital music. It just sounds better. I get lost in the clicks and pops of my LPs. Sometimes I just disappear in my attic and play "Born to Run" over and over again. It's one of my favorite pieces of vinyl.
 
2017-03-15 06:09:34 PM  

stuhayes2010: Mindlock: Mega Steve: KingBiefWhistle: AUDIOPHILE THREAD IMMINENT ABANDON ALL LOGIC AND BUY WOODEN KNOBS

Don't forget gold cables infused with rainbow dust and unicorn tears

Re you telling me the Best Buy salesman lied when he told me that the Monster platinum cables coated in yeti jizz were the absolute top of the line?

He did, cause Loch Ness monster jizz is where it's at.


...was that line before or after "two turntables and a microphone."
 
2017-03-15 06:32:39 PM  

RolfBlitzer: Does it matter when all you listen to is pop music.


M - Pop Muzik (Official Video)
Youtube gPoiv0sZ4s4

/you're welcome...
//no... I don't hate you, why do you ask?
///Shoobie doobie do wop
 
2017-03-15 06:37:40 PM  
You will pry my compressor from my cold, dead hands.

/but i only use it for speech; it's a lazy producer's crutch for music
//get a better mixer
///learn how to use it
////it's ok as a noise limiter though
//4 out of five slashies agree
 
2017-03-15 06:56:25 PM  

I Like Bread: Mad_Radhu: But what about CDs and digital tracks that are mastered by people that aren't too stupid to realize that they are causing clipping and muddying up the mix?

Doesn't matter if it's a 24/96 remaster in glorious 5.1 surround pressed onto an Audio DVD, some douchebag is going to preach to you about "warmth".


Some facts for you:

1. The real world is not digital. (with the exception of Automan and Tron)
2. The real world's audio is composed of sine waves. (natural sources)
3. The digital world's audio is composed of square/triangle hybrid waves.
4. The human ear is capable of distinguishing wave types up to certain frequencies.

for reference:
Can you hear the difference between a square wave and a sine wave?
Youtube uIuJTWS2uvY


5. Mastering techniques differ depending on the final media type output (Cassette, LP, Reel to Reel, Digital, etc).
6. All devices the sound passes through in a chain from the music to your ear effects sound (physics 101)

With all of that said, the AVERAGE listener cannot distinguish between an analog and digital signal, and can really only tell source by mastering techniques.  Those with the capability of hearing above 24kHz will be able to distinguish by source type alone (digital/analog), HOWEVER, people with that kind of hearing are VERY rare.
 
2017-03-15 07:01:04 PM  

his name is my name too: RolfBlitzer: Does it matter when all you listen to is pop music.

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/gPoiv0sZ4s4 - 480x360]
/you're welcome...
//no... I don't hate you, why do you ask?
///Shoobie doobie do wop


Pop Music Is Not A Crime From Freezepop
Youtube lUXbsoCW3Iw
 
2017-03-15 07:04:17 PM  

FTA--Back in the 1960s and 1970s, artists and producers pushed to make their 45 rpm singles louder than others so they would stand out when played on radio stations


img.fark.net
That's not how it works, article writer.
 
2017-03-15 07:06:10 PM  

John Buck 41: FTA--Back in the 1960s and 1970s, artists and producers pushed to make their 45 rpm singles louder than others so they would stand out when played on radio stations
[img.fark.net image 250x272]
That's not how it works, article writer.


wait... did you expect a journalist to understand science?

/that's pretty funny.
 
2017-03-15 07:10:24 PM  

his name is my name too: Those with the capability of hearing above 24kHz


img.fark.net
 
2017-03-15 07:18:40 PM  
I have turntable and sansui so I have no idea what you are talking about
 
2017-03-15 07:29:49 PM  

his name is my name too: With all of that said, the AVERAGE listener cannot distinguish between an analog and digital signal, and can really only tell source by mastering techniques.  Those with the capability of hearing above 24kHz will be able to distinguish by source type alone (digital/analog), HOWEVER, people with that kind of hearing are VERY rare.


So you're saying the people who prefer the inferior sound quality of vinyl are the ones with shiatty, mediocre hearing?
I believe it.
 
2017-03-15 07:32:58 PM  
I bought a digitally remastered version of Aqualung and wow does it not sound good. Yes, all compression. No actual dynamic range. No real bass, no real highs. It sounds like what some completely tone deaf millennial who's never heard music on anything but shiatty plastic earbuds thinks sound is supposed to sound like.
 
2017-03-15 07:37:19 PM  

neongoats: I bought a digitally remastered version of Aqualung and wow does it not sound good. Yes, all compression. No actual dynamic range. No real bass, no real highs. It sounds like what some completely tone deaf millennial who's never heard music on anything but shiatty plastic earbuds thinks sound is supposed to sound like.


Would like to point out that my non remastered in modern times CD from the early 90s of the same album sounds about 100000000% better, with the deep bass and wide dynamic range I remember.
 
2017-03-15 07:37:41 PM  

John Buck 41: FTA--Back in the 1960s and 1970s, artists and producers pushed to make their 45 rpm singles louder than others so they would stand out when played on radio stations
[img.fark.net image 250x272]
That's not how it works, article writer.


Host Robert Siegel talked to Bob Ludwig, a record mastering engineer. For more than 40 years, he's been the final ear in the audio chain for albums running from Jimi Hendrix to Radiohead, from Tony Bennett to Kronos Quartet.

"The 'Loudness Wars' have gone back to the days of 45s," Ludwig says. "When I first got into the business and was doing a lot of vinyl disc cutting, one producer after another just wanted to have his 45 sound louder than the next guy's so that when the program director at the Top 40 radio station was going through his stack of 45s to decide which two or three he was going to add that week, that the record would kind of jump out to the program director, aurally at least."

http://www.npr.org/2009/12/31/122114058/the-loudness-wars-why-music-s​o​unds-worse?sc=nl&cc=mn-20100102
 
2017-03-15 07:40:35 PM  

neongoats: neongoats: I bought a digitally remastered version of Aqualung and wow does it not sound good. Yes, all compression. No actual dynamic range. No real bass, no real highs. It sounds like what some completely tone deaf millennial who's never heard music on anything but shiatty plastic earbuds thinks sound is supposed to sound like.

Would like to point out that my non remastered in modern times CD from the early 90s of the same album sounds about 100000000% better, with the deep bass and wide dynamic range I remember.


I have a couple of ZZ Top Greatest HIts CDs. One I got in the early 90s and it has more of their earlier stuff; the other I got around 2000. If you listen to the songs that are one both CDs--"La Grange," "Jesus Just Left Chicago," "Tush," etc--they sound great on the old CD but on the newer CD they sound like you're listening your neighbor's stereo through a couple of walls.
 
2017-03-15 08:01:06 PM  

his name is my name too: John Buck 41: FTA--Back in the 1960s and 1970s, artists and producers pushed to make their 45 rpm singles louder than others so they would stand out when played on radio stations
[img.fark.net image 250x272]
That's not how it works, article writer.

wait... did you expect a journalist to understand science?

/that's pretty funny.


What's funny is that this is EXACTLY how it works. Mastering for maximum volume is a practice going back to the 1940s.

The pressure to "make it louder" comes from all sides. "Motown was notorious for cutting some of the hottest 45s in the industry," says Olhsson, who cut his teeth mastering hits like "Signed, Sealed, Delivered."

When asked if they're mastering differently in the context of smaller dynamic range, engineers are philosophical. "I think it's an evolution of where I started, going back to 7-inch 45s, when it was significant that they were louder," says Marcussen. "I think when you're raised in that environment, you keep your competitive edge and take it to the next level, whether it's CDs or MP3."
http://www.mixonline.com/news/profiles/big-squeeze/365580

Host Robert Siegel talked to Bob Ludwig, a record mastering engineer. For more than 40 years, he's been the final ear in the audio chain for albums running from Jimi Hendrix to Radiohead, from Tony Bennett to Kronos Quartet.

"The 'Loudness Wars' have gone back to the days of 45s," Ludwig says. "When I first got into the business and was doing a lot of vinyl disc cutting, one producer after another just wanted to have his 45 sound louder than the next guy's so that when the program director at the Top 40 radio station was going through his stack of 45s to decide which two or three he was going to add that week, that the record would kind of jump out to the program director, aurally at least."

http://www.npr.org/2009/12/31/122114058/the-loudness-wars-why-music-s​o​unds-worse?sc=nl&cc=mn-20100102

Everyone thinks that this loudness race is a recent phenomenon, however, its roots go back many decades. From the earliest 45 rpm singles, people have been trying to have their product be the loudest record in the stack of records on the record changer. Going back 20 or 30 years, many record companies would send out compilations of new singles to radio stations on a single LP. When producers and artists listened to these, if their song wasn't the loudest one on the record, they would call the mastering engineer and have them raise the level so as to be competitive.

http://performermag.com/home-recording/the-loudness-war/
 
2017-03-15 08:12:41 PM  

Sensei Can You See: his name is my name too: John Buck 41: FTA--Back in the 1960s and 1970s, artists and producers pushed to make their 45 rpm singles louder than others so they would stand out when played on radio stations
[img.fark.net image 250x272]
That's not how it works, article writer.

wait... did you expect a journalist to understand science?

/that's pretty funny.

What's funny is that this is EXACTLY how it works. Mastering for maximum volume is a practice going back to the 1940s.

The pressure to "make it louder" comes from all sides. "Motown was notorious for cutting some of the hottest 45s in the industry," says Olhsson, who cut his teeth mastering hits like "Signed, Sealed, Delivered."

When asked if they're mastering differently in the context of smaller dynamic range, engineers are philosophical. "I think it's an evolution of where I started, going back to 7-inch 45s, when it was significant that they were louder," says Marcussen. "I think when you're raised in that environment, you keep your competitive edge and take it to the next level, whether it's CDs or MP3."
http://www.mixonline.com/news/profiles/big-squeeze/365580

Host Robert Siegel talked to Bob Ludwig, a record mastering engineer. For more than 40 years, he's been the final ear in the audio chain for albums running from Jimi Hendrix to Radiohead, from Tony Bennett to Kronos Quartet.

"The 'Loudness Wars' have gone back to the days of 45s," Ludwig says. "When I first got into the business and was doing a lot of vinyl disc cutting, one producer after another just wanted to have his 45 sound louder than the next guy's so that when the program director at the Top 40 radio station was going through his stack of 45s to decide which two or three he was going to add that week, that the record would kind of jump out to the program director, aurally at least."

http://www.npr.org/2009/12/31/122114058/the-loudness-wars-why-music-so​unds-worse?sc=nl&cc=mn-20100102

Everyone thinks that this loudness race is a recent ph ...


Supposedly, Berry Gordy had a car radio speaker wired up in the studio so he could mix the Motown singles to pop the loudest on shiatty car stereos of the time.
 
2017-03-15 08:12:44 PM  
AND YOUR HEARING WAS A LOT BETTER BACK THEN AND PEOPLE DIDN'T NEED TO YELL AT YOU, HONEY FOR THE LAST TIME TURN DOWN THE VOLUME ON THE TV. WHAT?
 
2017-03-15 08:13:35 PM  

his name is my name too: I Like Bread: Mad_Radhu: But what about CDs and digital tracks that are mastered by people that aren't too stupid to realize that they are causing clipping and muddying up the mix?

Doesn't matter if it's a 24/96 remaster in glorious 5.1 surround pressed onto an Audio DVD, some douchebag is going to preach to you about "warmth".

Some facts for you:

1. The real world is not digital. (with the exception of Automan and Tron)
2. The real world's audio is composed of sine waves. (natural sources)
3. The digital world's audio is composed of square/triangle hybrid waves.
4. The human ear is capable of distinguishing wave types up to certain frequencies.


Naw, it's just that the resolution of the universe is pretty fine.

Zeno might have had a point, had Planck not scuppered his argument.

for reference:
[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/uIuJTWS2uvY - 480x270]


Did someone say "Square Rave"?

Squarepusher - Square Rave
Youtube i9FESkbuANI


/Oh, wave. nvm
 
2017-03-15 08:15:11 PM  

jaytkay: his name is my name too: Those with the capability of hearing above 24kHz

[img.fark.net image 200x200]


Thanks for the hearty lol.
 
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