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2017-03-15 07:12:06 AM  
GOOOOOOOOOOOOD MORNING WRITERS!

toraque will give you a rundown on the 2017 Fark fiction anthology later. I just pick out the drapes.

I may actually have something worthwhile to toss into the anthology too! Used my snow day yesterday to try and write a short story about the cat's life here this first year, from her POV. Basically, our shower is a portal to another dimension.

It's amusing, if not totally cat-lady esque
 
2017-03-15 10:02:59 AM  
What if my Caturday fan fic is a great American novel?
 
2017-03-15 10:15:06 AM  

GRCooper: What if my Caturday fan fic is a great American novel?


Are you Homer's mom?

Whatevers, I love that book.
 
2017-03-15 11:00:44 AM  
I have about the 3 most awesome books ever in me if I could just get the first word down on paper.
 
2017-03-15 11:01:13 AM  

Brakebills Alumni Office: I have about the 3 most awesome books ever in me if I could just get the first word down on paper.


Instead, I'm farking, btw.
 
2017-03-15 11:06:47 AM  
The good news is I actually made significant progress on the short story last night.

The bad news is I'm beginning to hate the story and am tempted to scrap it.

Maybe I should just go back to working on my novel.
 
2017-03-15 11:41:30 AM  
It's that time again!

Are you a storyteller wanting to show the world what you can do?  Is your Caturday fan fic the cat's pajamas?  Or are you working on your Great American Short Story instead? Either way, it's . . .

Through A Scanner Farkly: The 2017 Fark Fiction Anthology

THROUGH A SCANNER FARKLY is a fiction anthology we're putting together from the best writers here in the Fark community, with all proceeds going to charity! That's right, you can share your writing prowess with everyone and still get the warm, fuzzy feeling of helping a good cause!  And even if you'd rather just cuddle up with the cats instead, you can still be warm and fuzzy with a good book!

We're looking for previously unpublished short fiction or poetry submissions up to 10,000 words in length, in the genres of Science Fiction, Fantasy, Horror, Humor or Mystery/Thriller.  That's right, this year there's no minimum length, so send us that flash fiction!

We'll be accepting submissions until May 15, and the entries chosen by our panel of editors will be published on Amazon e-books, Amazon Kindle Unlimited and Amazon print on demand for physical bound copies.  You can see what we came up with last year here!

Interested?  If you are, check out the terms and conditions, and then send us what you've got on this page:

Through A Scanner Farkly Submissions
 
2017-03-15 11:46:27 AM  
Also, because I'm being kind of vague up there, we haven't yet finalized on the charity that proceeds are going to this year.  Last year, we raised around five hundred bucks for St. Jude's Children's Research Hospital, but this year I'd really like to find a charity that'll let us use their name on the cover.  We're still looking around.
 
2017-03-15 11:56:14 AM  
Put the now month old book up on Netgalley. For those who have never done so, you have to approve or decline the potential book reviewers.

I thought it funny. Here I am, by looking at the links to the reviewers, I'm judging them.
I'm essentially reviewing the reviewers.

Meanwhile, the feedback from Facebook ads was a shocker. Feedback in this case meaning, "Who clicked on your ad". Well, mostly young girls. I tried another audience, different ad. Same result. Damn. Might as well embrace it.

Opened up files I had written for Book 2 of the trilogy and decided to rewrite it, changing the POV for the first chapter. To focus on the girl heroine.

/sigh
 
2017-03-15 11:56:39 AM  

Brakebills Alumni Office: I have about the 3 most awesome books ever in me if I could just get the first word down on paper.


fark the first word. Skip ahead to the second. Go from there.
 
2017-03-15 12:00:12 PM  

Brakebills Alumni Office: I have about the 3 most awesome books ever in me if I could just get the first word down on paper.


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2017-03-15 12:14:13 PM  
Hey there Writers, quick question for you.

What kind of software do you use to manage your writing beyond a simple word processor? I'm looking for something to manage my note taking and to help me organize them into outlines and don't really want to use Word.
 
2017-03-15 12:31:11 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Hey there Writers, quick question for you.

What kind of software do you use to manage your writing beyond a simple word processor? I'm looking for something to manage my note taking and to help me organize them into outlines and don't really want to use Word.


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2017-03-15 12:38:24 PM  
A bear and a rabbit
 
2017-03-15 12:38:27 PM  

Brakebills Alumni Office: Tr0mBoNe: Hey there Writers, quick question for you.

What kind of software do you use to manage your writing beyond a simple word processor? I'm looking for something to manage my note taking and to help me organize them into outlines and don't really want to use Word.

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https://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.php


I'm slowly moving into Scrivener, but in the past I've just done everything in Word.  I'll usually have two or three documents for anything I'm working on--the draft, and outline and a notes doc.  I don't really plan a whole lot out in advance beyond individual scenes, though, so I could see needing something more if you're doing complex planning.
 
2017-03-15 12:38:47 PM  
Crap in a forest
 
2017-03-15 12:39:23 PM  
And that's when the murders
 
2017-03-15 12:39:43 PM  
Began in earnest
 
2017-03-15 12:40:02 PM  
Burma Shave
 
2017-03-15 12:44:41 PM  
Yay! My little book is over 22k words now, and the action is moving from the second to third act. Gotta get another 1k written today and every weekday for the next month, trying to finish the draft by mid April. Come on everyone, let's do this thing! Good luck! Godspeed! Haul ass!
 
2017-03-15 12:44:46 PM  
A group of purple haired SJWs and Alt-Reich frog-posters have set aside their differences and pooled their resources in order to build a time machine and set off into the past to shut down the Atlantic slave trade, dedicated to undoing their ancestors' greatest sin and building an America that was always white, respectivly. Can their delicate truce hold in that face of rising tensions(and passions) long enough for them to see their mission through? Or will they tear themselves, and the timestream, apart?
 
2017-03-15 12:46:29 PM  
Scrivener is good. I put up a 4x8 corkboard on an office wall, because that's a great place to place images of your characters. Eventually, those pics end up on Pinterest, but it's good for planning.

The only problem I have with Scrivener is that sometimes, I'll put an idea in a folder and then forget the idea is even there. So, the things that help you organize can actually end up hiding some ideas if you're not careful...
 
2017-03-15 01:01:36 PM  
A Saturday afternoon in November was approaching the time of twilight, and the vast tract of unenclosed wild known as Egdon Heath embrowned itself moment by moment.
And then the murders began.
/got nuttin'
 
2017-03-15 01:06:56 PM  
Thanks SVenus, toraque and Brakebills Alumni Office!

I'm doing a fair amount of analysis on some (somewhat) related topics and need a place to accumulate and link ideas... this seems like a good place to start.

Sometimes my mind is like that scene from Family Guy when everyone takes ipecac and vomits all over the place, but with words.
 
2017-03-15 01:22:00 PM  
so here's what I finished during my snow day yesterday? Good enough to submit to the anthology?


Date: 81316
 I don't know how much longer I will survive. I've been separated from my children and arrested. These humans don't understand who they're messing with. In another life, my name was Aabagauqlkatgwjntgf ouabetau t' aehiat, loosely translated, it means "Ahaneith, Despoiler of Worlds". The humans call me "Abbey". Not the best name, but at least these ones got my gender right. The last time I had contact with humans, they called me "Bruce".
 I savored my escape from them. Not a single vase was left unsmashed.

Date: 81316 (cont.)
 Hmm, interesting. Seems I've been picked by two new humans. One is quite insane, the other...I think my children were less furry than he is. These two came looking for another, presumably for some damnable ritual sacrifice later, and the furry one thought to look behind my impenetrable forcefield. DAMN HIM! How was I to know that a blanket over the cage wasn't enough to deter mere humans? DAMN IT ALL TO CATH!

Date: 81616
 ...Wha? Where am I? Oh god! What have they done to me? I went to go clean myself and they shaved my belly! Ingrates! I am naked and...what's this? Did those mothermousers cut me? YOU SON OF A SCHNAUZER! And now I'm locked in this tiny cell. Harrumph. At least they gave me a soft towel to sleep on.
 We finally arrived at our destination. The hairy one let me out of my cell...into a bigger cell. With him sitting on his chair, in front of some strange monitoring device. While his back was turned, I hid under a clothing tower. It worked until the bastard saw my face staring back at him. Immediately, he pulled out his communications device and 'shot' me. I felt nothing. The hairy one made a sound that was strange to my ears. "hehehehe"? What is that in human speak? I tried to ask him what he meant. He replied "Foodstuffs."
...The hairy one is either deaf or stupid. A giant his size, I hope he's just deaf. Stupid ones are dangerous...

Date: 81616 (cont.)
 The insane female human finally came into my cell and tried to soothe me. She is a flirtatious one, I will give her that. I sat in her lap and stared up at her, hoping my innate adorableness would convince her to free me. She put her lips together and bounced them off my head. Blegh. How the Cath am I going to clean that!? By the Gods!
 At least they opened up my cell to the whole of their living quarters. There is quite a lot of space. Many places for me to hide and plot my escape...
 There's a small room that they humans use frequently but only for a few minutes at a time at most. I wonder what they do in there...
 OH MY GOD! BALLS! They have balls! Cursed humans know my weak spot. I love batting the damn rolly balls around. Clearly these humans are smarter than I give them credit for. I shall investigate my surroundings later. First I must kill my immortal foe, the ball.

Date: 81916
 These humans leave me alone for several hours a day. If this is a regular thing, maybe I can use that time to escape. But where would I go? Hmm. I hate to say it, but these damnable humans do feed me. There is something sinister afoot though. I must know what goes on in that weird small room.
 
Date: 81916 (cont.)
 I took some time out of my busy schedule of napping and plotting to explore this strange place some more, specifically that tiny room. There isn't much in there. Some weird, hard seat with a big hole in the top. I perched myself up on the rim and looked down. I think there's water in there. Huh, do humans drink out of a bowl too? But then why would you sit on it? Maybe it's just something made to look like a chair?  I must watch them interact with this. In the meantime, I think they're poisoning my food. I went to go use the sandbox (how thoughtful of them to give me a Zen garden to meditate and poop in) and OH MY SWEET CATHUS! WHAT IS THIS FOULSMELLING BEAST COMING FROM MY TAIL!? I immediately sprinted as far away from that malodorous troll as I could. Unfortunately, I couldn't get far before smacking my head into the door the humans leave and return from every day. Oh well. Here on my rug, I am safe. I like this rug. Perhaps this is my safe space where nothing bad can happen to me.

Date: 082016
 Huh? The humans didn't leave like they normally do in the morning. I woke up well past their usual time. The two humans were still asleep. I walked between them and scratched the hairy one's back. He rolled over eventually and told me to keep scratching. I rolled my eyes and yelled in the insane female's face. She woke with a start and woke the hairy one up, who went to feed me. They didn't explain why they're home, but hey, free food. I can't say no to that.
Date: 082016 (cont.)
 Egads! I'm saved! Oh sweet saviors! I'm saved!
 ...waitaminute. My saviors are humans? Well isn't this ironic... No matter, one of them is clearly trying to smuggle me out.

Date: 082016 (cont.)
 DAMMIT ALL TO CATH! Blasted human captors found me before I could get smuggled to freedom. CURSE THEIR WRETCHED EYES! They did that weird human communication, threw their paws up and grabbed me from the other human's arms. Although I don't think that human really put up much of a fight to keep me. Perhaps it was all just a show. Damn these humans are clever. No wonder my ancestors eventually lost control of them. I shall have to take control of them, like my ancestors once did.

Date: 082216
 These humans are so easy to manipulate. I just flop on my side and they immediately come running over, mewling like my offspring. They rub my belly (which has finally started to grow back in) and coo. But the genius of this plan is they get my scent on them and they then rub their hands on themselves, spreading my scent all over them. BWAHAHAHAHA. You're mine, biatches. I OWN YOU!

Date: 082216 (cont.)
There's an awful lot of noise coming from that tiny room. The two of them go in there, make a loud racket, then come out wrapped in a blanket. Hold on. They aren't covered in my scent anymore? Are they trying to break free from my clutches? Don't they know that *I* am the master now? DAMN THEM ALL TO CATH! I shall find out how they're doing this and have my revenge!

Date: 082516
 The hairy one did something unusual today. He just sat on this movable seat and went back and forth, pulling some rope. It made a sound like the sea and I was watching him churn the waves in his globe. By the Gods! I think he may be one!
 After a while, he stopped. He smelled most foul. But he did go into that tiny room and make the racket again. To my surprise, he left the door open. I walked in but couldn't find him. I looked all over, but he was nowhere. Maybe he is a god? The racket eventually stopped and from behind this wall, he appeared. He was...he wasn't wearing the flat fur that most humans wear. It was like he got shaved...but still hairier than my offspring. I looked up at the towering, hairy giant, and I asked him point blank.
 "What is that place you just came from?" He looked down at me, smiled and replied back.
 "This is a portal to another dimension." I looked at him, wide-eyed and in absolute shock.
 "Reeeeeeeeeeeaaaaalllyyyy?" I replied, staring deep into the 'portal'.
How can this be? Also, how the cath did this human speak my language so fluently? Maybe they give lessons in whatever dimension he traveled to?
 I must investigate further...
Date: 090116
 Okay, today's the day. I'm gonna wait for the humans to take their daily trip into the 'portal'. Then I'll rush in, and jump into the portal with them, going into another dimension with the humans and finally being free.

Date: 090116 (cont.)
 So hairy human came back today. I tried to be nice and greeted him at the door. He pet my head in a most enjoyable way.
 "How was your day?" I asked.
 "TAX CUTS!" he replied, rather nonchalantly.
 "What did you say?" I asked, rather puzzled at his response.
 "PORK AND BEANS!" he then replied.
...I'm starting to suspect that he is not the idiot-savant at understanding my native tongue that I thought he was, just an idiot.

Date: 090116 (cont.)
 Okay. Now's the chance. They started the racket to warm up the portal device. They're in...
I ran into the tiny room, screaming at the top of my lungs: "FREEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOMMMM!" and got to the edge of the portal and jumped in when...OH HOLY MOTHER OF CATS! WATER? THEY USE WATER IN THEIR PORTAL?! GAH!
 Upon further reflection, I don't think he really meant "portal". I'm pretty sure he just said random words and just happened to get lucky with coherence.

Date: 090816
 Oh my god, there's something in their bed. I was curled up at the edge of the bed (ready to flee danger at a moment's notice) when suddenly...some...thing just ran into me! Two of them! And they're huge! Easily the size of me, if not longer. I tried to defend myself and grabbed a hold of one of them. Wrapping myself around it, I sank my fangs into the creature. My instincts took over as I dug my claws deeper into them. I knew I had them. Victory was going to be mine! BWAHAHAHAHA!
 ...Hairy human pulled me off right before my moment of glory. He gave me, what I can only surmise from his tone, a very angry warning before shooing me off the bed. The nerve of that man! I was helping you, you ungrateful human!
 ...I spent the next hour angrily smacking my balls around...
 
2017-03-15 01:22:18 PM  
Hola, FWT. . . I'll open up with a confession:  I'm going through a bout of depression.

Work is killing me, that's part of it.  I also feel stuck in a dead-end job that at least used to be occasionally interesting but management has since sucked all the life out of.  (Yes, I just ended a run-on sentence with a preposition.  And I don't care.  Is there a "bad grammar apathy" hotline?)  These are personal problems, surmountable.  Not sure how I'll surmount them, but they alone wouldn't put me in a writing rut.
I've nagged about it before, but now I'm really reaching a crisis that is basically the writer's variant of the Drake equation.  The number of readers I can expect would be:
1) The fraction of people who are literate in English,
2) Interested in high-brow sci-fi/fantasy (so, I guess the Star Trek TOS/TNG audience)
3) That would enjoy my stories and writing style
4) That would presumably be reached in a positive way by a publisher's marketing
5) If it got published in the first place.

A lot of that is self-confidence; #3-#5 is where a lot of would-be authors get intimidated and I'm no exception.  But not even that would sink into depression.  It's that #2.  That was never a big number to begin with; Star Trek had always struggled with pressures to sell out.  But when it succeeded, it was in the 1960s and 1990s when there was at least a high-brow market of some sort.  Well, it's 2017 now and it seems logic is effin' quaint.

The stock response is to never mind all that and write anyway, but it's kind of like this:  I don't write for myself -- not for success, not for attention, not for money.  I write because I have something to say.  But it's a wasted effort if there's no interest in the topics.  I consider myself a realist about these sorts of things.  I can take care of my side of things, but we live in Trump's America now, where 50 Shades is a monster hit and the NSF couldn't even scrounge up a few million (million!) to keep the NAIC funded.  I just found out the Aricebo Observatory is now run by China.  That was sort of a last straw -- I knew we'd "lost our mojo" (as NGT put it), but now we're just letting shiat like the largest telescope in the world wither for lack of funds that couldn't even get you an FBS football head coach for a year.  Follow the money and holy shiat did we abandon thinking and curiosity in a big way.
So, even if I did everything perfectly and was thrice the writer I think I am, any publisher would take one look and go, "There's no market for this."  And they'd be right.  I don't find that depressing in the sense of my odds (which were always LOL in the first place); the real blow was to my humanism.  I can do everything right but it won't matter, because the whole country chose to be stupid.  I can imagine (to quote Le Guin) "real grounds for hope", but when hope itself is a dead market. . . shiat, my writing career is the least of my worries.

One symptom of depression is crippling apathy.  Well, I'm sorry, but I just can't get off my ass for this.
 
2017-03-15 01:26:50 PM  

SVenus: Scrivener is good. I put up a 4x8 corkboard on an office wall, because that's a great place to place images of your characters. Eventually, those pics end up on Pinterest, but it's good for planning.

The only problem I have with Scrivener is that sometimes, I'll put an idea in a folder and then forget the idea is even there. So, the things that help you organize can actually end up hiding some ideas if you're not careful...


The Scrivener devs have an app for that - Scrapple.

I got it for sale, half-price, from the Fark store a few months back.  I don't really use it, but I found I'm not really a "corkboard" kind of writer.  I basically keep my notes in the chapter they're intended for, so I can just glance down at the bottom of the page to see what I'm going to write about next - if an idea gets moved, I just cut-paste it into the new chapter.
 
2017-03-15 01:29:51 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Hey there Writers, quick question for you.

What kind of software do you use to manage your writing beyond a simple word processor? I'm looking for something to manage my note taking and to help me organize them into outlines and don't really want to use Word.


A whiteboard, and the blood of my critics.
 
2017-03-15 01:31:27 PM  

toraque: It's that time again!

Through A Scanner Farkly Submissions


(very) Short story submitted, been having digital issues, email in profile if you don't get the attachment.
 
2017-03-15 01:32:07 PM  
I'm working on a story named after my Fark handle. Really. I'm enjoying how it's progressing.

Does anyone know of any good short story contests worth submitting to in the next month or two? I missed the deadline for one yesterday, but I recall seeing some others posted here.

And I'm going to try to get something together for the Fark Anthology - I've always wanted to, and this is going to be the year I try!
 
2017-03-15 01:35:08 PM  

PunGent: toraque: It's that time again!

Through A Scanner Farkly Submissions

(very) Short story submitted, been having digital issues, email in profile if you don't get the attachment.


It got here safe and sound, thanks!  I'll have it up for the editors this evening.
 
2017-03-15 01:42:56 PM  

toraque: PunGent: toraque: It's that time again!

Through A Scanner Farkly Submissions

(very) Short story submitted, been having digital issues, email in profile if you don't get the attachment.

It got here safe and sound, thanks!  I'll have it up for the editors this evening.


Great!  Now we'll see if I get off my ass and finish another short story; it's gotten raves from buddies, but it started as a character background for an RPG campaign that folded, so it has no direction to it at the moment...
 
2017-03-15 01:44:31 PM  
I'm still polishing the "ashcan" version of my medical drama story-game (rpg) called The Ward; ran some sessions at PAX East, talked to some other designers, had lunch with the publisher and was delighted to hear how on board they are with the project.  Might even be going full color, so I'm super-pumped!

A friend of mine also ran a session or two at BreakOut in Toronto.

If anyone's interested in a game dealing with juggling stress, life-and-death, relationships... and rolling dice, EIP.
 
2017-03-15 01:47:40 PM  
This was probably asked somewhere I didn't bother to read, but what made you decide to publish an annual anthology halfway through the year rather than at the end?
 
2017-03-15 01:48:14 PM  

toraque: his year I'd really like to find a charity that'll let us use their name on the cover.  We're still looking around.


How about a nice cat shelter somewhere?
 
2017-03-15 01:52:23 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: toraque: his year I'd really like to find a charity that'll let us use their name on the cover.  We're still looking around.

How about a nice cat shelter somewhere?


ASPCA?

hey, my story is relevant!
 
2017-03-15 02:23:46 PM  

Aeonite: This was probably asked somewhere I didn't bother to read, but what made you decide to publish an annual anthology halfway through the year rather than at the end?


The end of the year is kind of hectic.
 
2017-03-15 02:25:46 PM  

toraque: I'd really like to find a charity that'll let us use their name on the cover. We're still looking around.

ACLU?

If they say yes, well, they're pretty important these days.
If they say no. . . that would raise so many questions.
 
2017-03-15 02:29:08 PM  

dragonchild: toraque: I'd really like to find a charity that'll let us use their name on the cover. We're still looking around.
ACLU?

If they say yes, well, they're pretty important these days.
If they say no. . . that would raise so many questions.


difficulty: We're trying to remain apolitical
 
2017-03-15 03:04:39 PM  
so...no comments on the story? :(
 
2017-03-15 03:09:18 PM  

somedude210: difficulty: We're trying to remain apolitical

That rankles a bit but OK.  The options are quite limited beyond that, I think.  What's left has to have confidence that being associated with Fark won't offset donations from elsewhere, and Fark wears its warts with pride.  I basically thought of the ACLU because writers are generally against censorship and they seemed like the group least likely to be concerned with Fark's reputation.
 
2017-03-15 03:22:02 PM  

dragonchild: Hola, FWT. . . I'll open up with a confession:  I'm going through a bout of depression.

Work is killing me, that's part of it.  I also feel stuck in a dead-end job that at least used to be occasionally interesting but management has since sucked all the life out of.  (Yes, I just ended a run-on sentence with a preposition.  And I don't care.  Is there a "bad grammar apathy" hotline?)  These are personal problems, surmountable.  Not sure how I'll surmount them, but they alone wouldn't put me in a writing rut.
I've nagged about it before, but now I'm really reaching a crisis that is basically the writer's variant of the Drake equation.  The number of readers I can expect would be:
1) The fraction of people who are literate in English,
2) Interested in high-brow sci-fi/fantasy (so, I guess the Star Trek TOS/TNG audience)
3) That would enjoy my stories and writing style
4) That would presumably be reached in a positive way by a publisher's marketing
5) If it got published in the first place.

A lot of that is self-confidence; #3-#5 is where a lot of would-be authors get intimidated and I'm no exception.  But not even that would sink into depression.  It's that #2.  That was never a big number to begin with; Star Trek had always struggled with pressures to sell out.  But when it succeeded, it was in the 1960s and 1990s when there was at least a high-brow market of some sort.  Well, it's 2017 now and it seems logic is effin' quaint.

The stock response is to never mind all that and write anyway, but it's kind of like this:  I don't write for myself -- not for success, not for attention, not for money.  I write because I have something to say.  But it's a wasted effort if there's no interest in the topics.  I consider myself a realist about these sorts of things.  I can take care of my side of things, but we live in Trump's America now, where 50 Shades is a monster hit and the NSF couldn't even scrounge up a few million (million!) to keep the NAIC funded.  I just found ou ...


Hug, I would still write it anyway, because while escapist novels are a huge hit, it doesn't mean that your book won't find a dedicated gaggle of fans that will enjoy it and your topics.

Don't worry about publishers, I would self-publish or do what "The Martian" did, post on a blog site first, publishing chapter by chapter.

You will probably have to do a lot of marketing, making connections, etc going either route.
 
2017-03-15 03:25:46 PM  

ChromaticKid: I'm still polishing the "ashcan" version of my medical drama story-game (rpg) called The Ward; ran some sessions at PAX East, talked to some other designers, had lunch with the publisher and was delighted to hear how on board they are with the project.  Might even be going full color, so I'm super-pumped!

A friend of mine also ran a session or two at BreakOut in Toronto.

If anyone's interested in a game dealing with juggling stress, life-and-death, relationships... and rolling dice, EIP.


I saw your buddy at Breakout this year, sadly I was volunteering and couldn't sit down for a game! I loved it last year, I totally "general hospital" version of it.
 
2017-03-15 03:27:33 PM  

dragonchild: Hola, FWT. . . I'll open up with a confession:  I'm going through a bout of depression.

Work is killing me, that's part of it.  I also feel stuck in a dead-end job that at least used to be occasionally interesting but management has since sucked all the life out of.  (Yes, I just ended a run-on sentence with a preposition.  And I don't care.  Is there a "bad grammar apathy" hotline?)  These are personal problems, surmountable.  Not sure how I'll surmount them, but they alone wouldn't put me in a writing rut.
I've nagged about it before, but now I'm really reaching a crisis that is basically the writer's variant of the Drake equation.  The number of readers I can expect would be:
1) The fraction of people who are literate in English,
2) Interested in high-brow sci-fi/fantasy (so, I guess the Star Trek TOS/TNG audience)
3) That would enjoy my stories and writing style
4) That would presumably be reached in a positive way by a publisher's marketing
5) If it got published in the first place.

A lot of that is self-confidence; #3-#5 is where a lot of would-be authors get intimidated and I'm no exception.  But not even that would sink into depression.  It's that #2.  That was never a big number to begin with; Star Trek had always struggled with pressures to sell out.  But when it succeeded, it was in the 1960s and 1990s when there was at least a high-brow market of some sort.  Well, it's 2017 now and it seems logic is effin' quaint.

The stock response is to never mind all that and write anyway, but it's kind of like this:  I don't write for myself -- not for success, not for attention, not for money.  I write because I have something to say.  But it's a wasted effort if there's no interest in the topics.  I consider myself a realist about these sorts of things.  I can take care of my side of things, but we live in Trump's America now, where 50 Shades is a monster hit and the NSF couldn't even scrounge up a few million (million!) to keep the NAIC funded.  I just found ou ...


Alright... I don't normally engage much on the internet, but I feel like I should share a thought or two with you.  I suspect that you and I would get along quite famously.  But secretly we'd think that the other is kind of a know-it-all blowhard.

First of all - go get a new job.  Seriously, make it a priority.  If your job sucks, get a new job.  There's one out there.  If you haven't seen it, you haven't looked hard enough.  Try harder, dammit.

Second, people will never cease to disappoint.  Get over it.  Then learn to ignore them.  Love of science hasn't died.  Love of logic hasn't died.  It's just the the logical, scientific minds don't go and shout on the internet, so you're only hearing the asshats.  I know it's tough, because even the people that are interesting and fun on tv to listen to, like Stephen Colbert, do nothing but talk about the asshattery these days.

I'm trying to tell you to turn your thoughts inward, and focus on what you find interesting, not what others and worrying and thinking about.  As for the writing, stop thinking about the last step, like getting published, and just focus on the first step, putting pen to paper and telling the story that inside of you.  If people like it, great.  And if they don't, that's fine too, because even if your story isn't read by thousands, the people around you in your life will see someone that is focusing on doing something positive, and will find you inspiring.   And that's ok too.

This is ultimately the point I'm trying to make.  Lead by example, and be the hero of your own story.  This is accomplished by thinking less and doing more.

Now, off you go.
 
2017-03-15 04:04:56 PM  

dragonchild: Hola, FWT. . . I'll open up with a confession:  I'm going through a bout of depression.

Work is killing me, that's part of it.  I also feel stuck in a dead-end job that at least used to be occasionally interesting but management has since sucked all the life out of.  (Yes, I just ended a run-on sentence with a preposition.  And I don't care.  Is there a "bad grammar apathy" hotline?)  These are personal problems, surmountable.  Not sure how I'll surmount them, but they alone wouldn't put me in a writing rut.
I've nagged about it before, but now I'm really reaching a crisis that is basically the writer's variant of the Drake equation.  The number of readers I can expect would be:
1) The fraction of people who are literate in English,
2) Interested in high-brow sci-fi/fantasy (so, I guess the Star Trek TOS/TNG audience)
3) That would enjoy my stories and writing style
4) That would presumably be reached in a positive way by a publisher's marketing
5) If it got published in the first place.

A lot of that is self-confidence; #3-#5 is where a lot of would-be authors get intimidated and I'm no exception.  But not even that would sink into depression.  It's that #2.  That was never a big number to begin with; Star Trek had always struggled with pressures to sell out.  But when it succeeded, it was in the 1960s and 1990s when there was at least a high-brow market of some sort.  Well, it's 2017 now and it seems logic is effin' quaint.

The stock response is to never mind all that and write anyway, but it's kind of like this:  I don't write for myself -- not for success, not for attention, not for money.  I write because I have something to say.  But it's a wasted effort if there's no interest in the topics.  I consider myself a realist about these sorts of things.  I can take care of my side of things, but we live in Trump's America now, where 50 Shades is a monster hit and the NSF couldn't even scrounge up a few million (million!) to keep the NAIC funded.  I just found ou ...


Sefert had a great answer, but I'd add: if you are writing to be heard, you first need to craft something worth saying. That means focusing less on what's going on around you and more on what it is you want to get out. Spend some serious time thinking about it and writing about it from multiple perspectives. Once you feel like you've got something really fantastic, then focus on getting it front of an audience. You can create interest in anything if it's good enough.

One thing you have to remember, however, is that you can't and shouldn't judge the potential of your idea based on what the market is buying. The market is a poor indicator of your future success because it's fickle and doesn't know what it wants. There are plenty of great authors out there who have found massive audiences by writing for readers who only really read their work and little else, and who won't try anyone else's without that author's blessing.
 
2017-03-15 04:43:42 PM  

sefert: If your job sucks, get a new job. There's one out there. If you haven't seen it, you haven't looked hard enough.

There are circumstances I won't get into that make this impossible.  Suffice to say, it's not a job market thing or qualification thing, so the effort I put into it is irrelevant.  It's not happening.

sefert: Get over it.

Yeah, that works.

sefert: the people around you in your life will see someone that is focusing on doing something positive, and will find you inspiring.

Well, come to think of it I guess that's part of the problem -- I have almost zero flesh-and-blood support here.  Mrs. dragonchild is supportive in other ways, but has a pragmatic "don't quit your day job" perspective I can't blame her for.  My gaming group is great company but that's like 2-4 hours a month including gaming.
So by volume, as far as my interest in writing goes, my inner circle is 99% apathetic to negative.  They don't directly motivate me to write, but when doubts start churning in my head there isn't anyone pulling in the positive direction.  And this is a nerdy high-brow crowd.

secularsage: if you are writing to be heard, you first need to craft something worth saying.

Given my current dilemma that sounds an awful lot like putting the cart before the horse.

secularsage: writing about it from multiple perspectives

Wait. . . what?  It looks like you mean is I should write the same story several times over when I'm having a hard enough time even writing at all because I hate literally everything right now?  Or am I badly misunderstanding this?

BTW I do apologize; somedude210's story deserves more attention than this; I'd give it some love myself but I'm kind of stuck in an existential hole.
 
2017-03-15 05:18:40 PM  
dragonchild:

Sorry to hear that. If there's anything I can do to help out writing wise let me know.
 
2017-03-15 05:33:09 PM  

dragonchild: BTW I do apologize; somedude210's story deserves more attention than this; I'd give it some love myself but I'm kind of stuck in an existential hole.


Thanks, that's appreciated. No need to apologize though. If there's anything I can do to help, I'm there.
 
2017-03-15 05:38:03 PM  

dragonchild: So by volume, as far as my interest in writing goes, my inner circle is 99% apathetic to negative.  They don't directly motivate me to write, but when doubts start churning in my head there isn't anyone pulling in the positive direction.  And this is a nerdy high-brow crowd.


I'm in a similar boat with the novel. This short story has provided a welcome distraction however.
 
2017-03-15 05:47:25 PM  
dragonchild:

I hear you, and commiserate. I've recently reached the point where I'm 43 years old, and only just figured out what I was put on this Earth to do. If I were in a movie I'd spend they next 10 minutes in a montage, furiously typing, falling asleep on my keyboard, and arguing over reams of printed material with my friends/editor. Until I'd sit back with a satisfied look on my face and then would enact a zany and overly elaborate plan to go crash the big dinner party where I impress the pants off the big name agent/editor/publisher and go off to make buckets of money and live happily ever after

Instead even knowing this is what I was born to do, I find myself struggling to get word to page. And I still have to spend around 30 hours a week doing sheer drudgery for people who are too stupid to pick up money if it were laying on the ground in front of them. I could go find more/other work work that would indubitably pay better, but I abide because of the flexibility my current work provides. To write, which I'm struggling to do.

The latest excuse is I'm coming off the flu, but the reality is I've been physically better and capable of getting back to it since Sunday at least. But my head isn't there, something about this cold this time, just left me mentally detached from the world and myself. The attitude and approach I was taking to my life beforehand is still there, but it's like the disease strengthened the demon that sits on my shoulder telling me I'm not good enough and it will never amount to anything.

The only advice I can offer is to write because you know you have to. Worry about all the other bullshiat when you have something you feel like sharing with the world.
 
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