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(Huffington Post)   Last weekend's box office rockets a small film about black female mathematicians past the latest Star Trek, X-Men, and Jason Bourne   ( huffingtonpost.com) divider line
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2017-03-15 01:04:15 AM  
It's great that a film that isn't a shiatty reboot, sequel, or superhero movie did better than shiatty reboots, sequels, and superhero movies, but Hollywood still won't give anything else a chance.
 
2017-03-15 02:10:52 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: It's great that a film that isn't a shiatty reboot, sequel, or superhero movie did better than shiatty reboots, sequels, and superhero movies, but Hollywood still won't give anything else a chance.


They'll never learn. If only they could hire someone to do the math for them.
 
2017-03-15 02:45:05 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: It's great that a film that isn't a shiatty reboot, sequel, or superhero movie did better than shiatty reboots, sequels, and superhero movies, but Hollywood still won't give anything else a chance.


TFA dances around the fact that it's comparing domestic-to-domestic, and picks two of the worst performing films of each franchise. Point being, no, it didn't "do better" than either of these movies, and global returns are the only numbers really worth considering anymore, and as such, here come your next round of reboots, sequels and superhero movies. 200 mil, while not nothing, isn't the billion you can make from said superhero movies these days.

I will give it the return-on-investment nod, but you can bet your ass that Hollywood money people aren't betting theirs on getting lucky with talking heads movies that cost nothing to make getting a ton of prestige awards buzz.
 
2017-03-15 02:50:01 AM  
I was chatting with a friend today about rebooting some of the older Hollywood classics with a modern edge. It doesn't even have to be a Hollywood classic, maybe just one of the run-of-the-mill movie, but redone with a contemporary theme, with current actors/actresses and the who shebang. The movie we were discussing was If It's Tuesday, This Must Be Belgium, which was a decent comedy film with Ian McShane and Suzanne Pleshette. Modernize it, add some novel twists to the stories and make it work.

It's not as though taking an old story and retelling it is a new idea: Jesus of Nazareth is a retelling of an older Mithranism religion, which was a retelling of an even older Egyptian religion story, so there is precedence for retelling old stories with a modern twist.
 
2017-03-15 04:04:48 AM  
A well written, well acted film with original content did better than some shiatty rehashed plot? Who could have imagined such a thing. Someone bring me my pearls so that I can clutch them!
 
2017-03-15 04:28:53 AM  

grinding_journalist: FirstNationalBastard: It's great that a film that isn't a shiatty reboot, sequel, or superhero movie did better than shiatty reboots, sequels, and superhero movies, but Hollywood still won't give anything else a chance.

TFA dances around the fact that it's comparing domestic-to-domestic, and picks two of the worst performing films of each franchise. Point being, no, it didn't "do better" than either of these movies, and global returns are the only numbers really worth considering anymore, and as such, here come your next round of reboots, sequels and superhero movies. 200 mil, while not nothing, isn't the billion you can make from said superhero movies these days.

I will give it the return-on-investment nod, but you can bet your ass that Hollywood money people aren't betting theirs on getting lucky with talking heads movies that cost nothing to make getting a ton of prestige awards buzz.


You better be talking about Trek and Bourne.
 
2017-03-15 04:36:33 AM  

ecor1: A well written, well acted film with original content did better than some shiatty rehashed plot? Who could have imagined such a thing. Someone bring me my pearls so that I can clutch them!


no don't! you forgot your victorian era fainting couch!
 
2017-03-15 04:40:33 AM  
Familiar franchises like "X-Men" and "Star Trek," however, typically fare quite well in the lucrative Chinese market.

*twitch* *sigh*. No one in journalism will ever get this through their thick skulls, will they? Maybe if I scream it loud enough:

THE CHINESE FILM MARKET ISN'T AS LUCRATIVE AS YOU THINK IT IS, YOU MORONS!

The facts are these: U.S. studios get 25% of the gross on films distributed in China. You heard me, one-fourth. Oh sure, China's huge population means that they still end up making more money there than any other foreign market, I'm not naive. But let's not overstate things.

You know how much Star Trek Beyond grossed in China? $65 million. Divide that by four and that's a little over $16 million that Paramount took from its cut. Meanwhile the domestic haul was nearly $159 million, and since the studios only have to split half the gross with domestic theaters, that means Paramount took in over $79 million from the U.S., almost five times what they got from China.

And what about X-Men: Apocalypse? It made about $120 million in China. Divide that by 4 for $30 million. Domestically it made about $155 million, divide that in half for $77.5 million, over 2.5 times what Fox took home from China. The point is, stop overstating Hollywood's love affair with China. It's more like a "this-is-nice-hopefully-it-gets-even-better" kind of affair.
 
2017-03-15 04:40:41 AM  
This briefly restores my faith in humanity.
 
2017-03-15 04:41:15 AM  

TDBoedy: ecor1: A well written, well acted film with original content did better than some shiatty rehashed plot? Who could have imagined such a thing. Someone bring me my pearls so that I can clutch them!

no don't! you forgot your victorian era fainting couch!


To be fair, Logan is supposed to be really good, but its still a what, 8th installment sequel?

I wish I had a fainting couch, I would use the crap out of it.
 
2017-03-15 04:41:24 AM  

grinding_journalist: TFA dances around the fact that it's comparing domestic-to-domestic


Wow, you uncovered their nefarious hidden agenda buried deep, deep in the headline in huge text!
 
2017-03-15 04:58:56 AM  
Amazing film
 
2017-03-15 06:14:01 AM  
And yet WB is thinking of rebooting "The Matrix". sigh.
 
2017-03-15 06:29:09 AM  
That movie was pandering, softball drivel. It was a Disneyfied version of racism, made to make white people feel proud of how far they've come (they haven't, modern racism is in reality worse than this film's depiction of 60s racism)
 
2017-03-15 09:01:19 AM  

ecor1: To be fair, Logan is supposed to be really good, but its still a what, 8th installment sequel?


Hidden Figures is what, the 8th film about NASA?
 
2017-03-15 09:10:03 AM  
Quality movies may find success, news at 11.
 
2017-03-15 09:17:27 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Hollywood still won't give anything else a chance.


I would say Hollywood DID give it a chance.

And it's doing well.

I don't think it has to be one or the other.  We can have shiatty reboots, sequels, superhero movies AND original movies.
 
2017-03-15 10:01:48 AM  

grinding_journalist: TFA dances around the fact that it's comparing domestic-to-domestic, and picks two of the worst performing films of each franchise. Point being, no, it didn't "do better" than either of these movies, and global returns are the only numbers really worth considering anymore


Actually, TFA is celebrating the ratio of how much the movie cost to make to how much box office it's gotten.

They made Hidden Figures for $25 million and it's pulled in $162.9 million domestically.

They also mention Jordan Peele's "Get Out" which was made for $4.5 million and has pulled in $110 million domestically.

Sure, other movies have pulled in bigger box office numbers, but given how much more tentpole movies cost to make, they are quite unlikely to be as big a financial success.

The canonical example of a movie hitting a grand slam home run was My Big Fat Greek Wedding which was made for $5 million and pulled in more than $350 million.
 
2017-03-15 10:26:15 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: It's great that a film that isn't a shiatty reboot, sequel, or superhero movie did better than shiatty reboots, sequels, and superhero movies, but Hollywood still won't give anything else a chance.


But they know those will make money.  Period.  A movie like Hidden Figures is a gamble.  Quality doesn't always translate into cash, and these guys are about guaranteed returns.  If they know dropping $150M into a bucket for some superhero action sequel will likely generate about $600M+ in ticket sales plus Blu-ray, PPV, and merchandizing, they're going to do it every time.

A historical fictionalization of black women in the space program?  Better do it for $25M and hope for the best.  Because while Hidden Figures did wonderfully, you've got a lot of worry about creating more movies like Ed Wood, Nixon, or Warrior.  Great movies that don't make money.  Even a lot of the Oscar-bait movies from year's past are great movies that don't make a lot of money.

You can't pick the one financial gem out and say it's the average example.  Sequels and comicbook movies make a lot more money - and more reliably - than quality dramas.  Even with your Lone Ranger's and John Carter's thrown in.
 
2017-03-15 10:35:51 AM  

delysid25: That movie was pandering, softball drivel. It was a Disneyfied version of racism, made to make white people feel proud of how far they've come (they haven't, modern racism is in reality worse than this film's depiction of 60s racism)


It didn't demonize white people nearly enough.
 
2017-03-15 11:08:30 AM  
Even in Hollywood it's hard to catch lightning in a bottle. Doing it once is no guarentee of doing it again.
 
2017-03-15 11:36:53 AM  

BullBearMS: They also mention Jordan Peele's "Get Out" which was made for $4.5 million and has pulled in $110 million domestically.


Horror films do that on occasion. It's why so many of them get made.
 
2017-03-15 11:49:28 AM  

This text is now purple: BullBearMS: They also mention Jordan Peele's "Get Out" which was made for $4.5 million and has pulled in $110 million domestically.

Horror films do that on occasion. It's why so many of them get made.


The Blair Witch Project...but the studio really botched the deal and the film makers made huge bank.
 
2017-03-15 11:53:39 AM  

BullBearMS: The canonical example of a movie hitting a grand slam home run was My Big Fat Greek Wedding which was made for $5 million and pulled in more than $350 million.


The difference is that's a $5 blackjack table gamble. No there isn't as much money on the line individually, but you typically would have to greenlight 100 projects (or more) to get into that kind of big blackjack table hit by luck. Most small budget films do small budget numbers, many not even breaking even in a Hollywood accounting sense. Also, when they are brought up to large budget release (promoted in the theaters like a "tent pole" movie) the marketing costs of those small budget flicks quickly outrun the actual movie costs. If the movie HF really only cost $25 million to make, the marketing (which was plastered on the Intarwebs and TV) still had the same price as any other big budget release.
 
2017-03-15 11:55:58 AM  
My wife dragged me kicking and screaming to see Hidden Figures.  After the movie, I had to apologize because the movie was so good.  Man, I hate when that happens.
 
2017-03-15 01:02:04 PM  
I like how everyone, absolutely everyone, biatches about remakes and superhero movies every year and yet everyone, absolutely everyone, pays to see them every time they get released.

It's almost as if the majority of the population has no idea how capitalism works. Imagine that.
 
2017-03-15 04:10:25 PM  

delysid25: That movie was pandering, softball drivel. It was a Disneyfied version of racism, made to make white people feel proud of how far they've come (they haven't, modern racism is in reality worse than this film's depiction of 60s racism)


I agree to a smaller extent. The movie was highly enjoyable. But it seemed shallow. There were really good guys and really bad guys. I'm glad the movie was made, and I hope it develops a legacy of inspiration for people to reach farther than they can easily see. The characters were as deep as Disney characters, but that is my only complaint.
 
2017-03-15 05:32:34 PM  

Casey Anthony: It didn't demonize white people nearly enough.


In too many cases white people didn't/don't need to be "demonized".
The truth is more than good enough to do that.
 
2017-03-15 05:49:40 PM  

delysid25: That movie was pandering, softball drivel. It was a Disneyfied version of racism, made to make white people feel proud of how far they've come (they haven't, modern racism is in reality worse than this film's depiction of 60s racism)


They? As in all white people?

Saying that in itself is racist
 
2017-03-15 06:10:13 PM  

Jacksplatt: delysid25: That movie was pandering, softball drivel. It was a Disneyfied version of racism, made to make white people feel proud of how far they've come (they haven't, modern racism is in reality worse than this film's depiction of 60s racism)

They? As in all white people?

Saying that in itself is racist


I haven't seen the film, but if the intent in the original statement is to say that modern racism is as bad as 60s racism, it might be the stupidest thing ever said on Fark.  If it is to say that modern racism beats portrayed racism I don't know.
 
2017-03-15 06:11:30 PM  

rewind2846: Casey Anthony: It didn't demonize white people nearly enough.

In too many cases white people didn't/don't need to be "demonized".
The truth is more than good enough to do that.


Stop parking in the handicapped spots. Lazy is not the same as handicapped.
 
2017-03-15 10:57:15 PM  

ecor1: TDBoedy: ecor1: A well written, well acted film with original content did better than some shiatty rehashed plot? Who could have imagined such a thing. Someone bring me my pearls so that I can clutch them!

no don't! you forgot your victorian era fainting couch!

To be fair, Logan is supposed to be really good, but its still a what, 8th installment sequel?

I wish I had a fainting couch, I would use the crap out of it.


I think Logan is too new for TFA to reference, it's referring to X-Men: Apocalypse.
 
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