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(CSN Mid Atlantic)   Apparently someone in the Washington Redskins front office really hates Kirk Cousins, as there are strong rumors that the Skins are discussing a trade for Cousins....with the Cleveland Browns   ( csnmidatlantic.com) divider line
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2017-03-15 12:06:17 AM  
Cleveland will not be in the running to trade for Kirk Cousins, per a new report from Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. And while the Browns are not expected to chase the Redskins passer, three other teams tried and got shot down, per Cabot's report.

From the same site, but three hours later.
 
2017-03-15 03:13:11 AM  
They should send him to the Falcons.  I hear they love Cousins down there.
 
2017-03-15 04:23:13 AM  
Cleveland should play Osweiler, this frees them up to acquire players at other positions. If Osweiler does good, he becomes trade bait since at least a few teams are always desperate for a QB every year. Then they can look for someone new in a 2nd or 3rd round and already have the pieces to help the new guy. If he does bad, then they'll have a high draft pick again and can get a new QB.
 
2017-03-15 04:53:51 AM  

Birnone: Cleveland should play Osweiler, this frees them up to acquire players at other positions. If Osweiler does good, he becomes trade bait since at least a few teams are always desperate for a QB every year. Then they can look for someone new in a 2nd or 3rd round and already have the pieces to help the new guy. If he does bad, then they'll have a high draft pick again and can get a new QB.


Also isn't next year supposed to be a much better year for QBs than this year?
 
2017-03-15 05:32:25 AM  
I have a sneaking suspicion the Redskins' front office is jam-packed with idiots.

You're not going to find a quarterback this year who can throw for almost 5,000 yards.
 
2017-03-15 05:33:18 AM  
Of course the Washington front office hates the guy; he's costing them almost 30 million this year alone due to their own monumental incompetence, and his mere presence is a daily reminder of it. They farked up big time with his contract situation three years in a row and are now paying a very steep price for it.
 
2017-03-15 06:05:29 AM  
Meet Brock, who's lived most everywhere, 
From Zanzibar to Barclay Square. 
But Kirk's only seen the sight. 
A qb can see from Brooklyn Heights -- 
What a crazy pair! 

But they're cousins, 
Identical cousins all the way. 
One pair of matching bookends, 
Different as night and day. 

Where Brock adores a minuet, 
The Ballet Russes, and crepe suzette, 
Our Kirk loves to rock and roll, 
A hot dog makes him lose control -- 
What a wild duet! 

Still, they're cousins, 
Identical cousins and you'll find, 
They laugh alike, they walk alike, 
At times they even talk alike -- 

You can lose your mind, 
When cousins are two of a kind.
 
2017-03-15 06:06:21 AM  
DON'T DO IT, CLEVELAND!

/if they can't ditch Osweiler they will play him after Kessler gets killed when they need another QB.
//emergency QBs look to be a dime a dozen this year
///what is the over/under line on number of Cleveland starting QBs this year?
 
2017-03-15 08:40:38 AM  
We should all love this, because we should all love when any team does not pay a megalomaniac athlete, who thinks that he is better than he is, the outrageous sums of money he demands.

His numbers do not tell the accurate story. These second rate QB's and wide receivers get paid far too much money.

That said, the Clowns are probably the only franchise dumber than the Redskins. Another year started, with zero to show except losing their best player (Pryor).
 
2017-03-15 08:43:32 AM  

Reanlous: These second rate QB's and wide receivers get paid far too much money


Glad you're here to protect the pocketbook of Dan Snyder and other total POS NFL owners.  We wouldn't want the athletes to get some of the billions the real heroes are earning.
 
2017-03-15 08:46:27 AM  

Reanlous: We should all love this, because we should all love when any team does not pay a megalomaniac athlete, who thinks that he is better than he is, the outrageous sums of money he demands.

His numbers do not tell the accurate story. These second rate QB's and wide receivers get paid far too much money.

That said, the Clowns are probably the only franchise dumber than the Redskins. Another year started, with zero to show except losing their best player (Pryor).


You seem really angry that football players get big salaries.

The QB market will always overpay. Mike Glennon is a serviceable backup who just got $15 mil a year. Cousins is going to get way more than that from someone.
 
2017-03-15 09:18:38 AM  
Kirk Cousins might be the luckiest guy on the planet. Journeyman QB, whose agent and good timing made him one of the NFL's highest-paid players. He'd be holding a clipboard on most teams, and maybe not even getting dressed in New England.
 
2017-03-15 09:23:40 AM  

MugzyBrown: Reanlous: These second rate QB's and wide receivers get paid far too much money

Glad you're here to protect the pocketbook of Dan Snyder and other total POS NFL owners.  We wouldn't want the athletes to get some of the billions the real heroes are earning.


First off, an athlete is not a hero anymore than Dan Snyder is. It is beyond disrespectful to real heros to call a scumbag athlete a hero. And I am glad that you are here to protect a multi-millionaire athlete's pocketbook, because all he did was be born with certain genetics to get rich.

Furthermore, and as an FYI - the athletes care less about the fans than the owners do: They make their money no matter what you think. The owners and the NFL's money - they make far more money based on the fans, by way of concessions, tickets, ratings, gear, branding, etc.

So...in conclusion, you brainless fans have it backwards - you keep thinking about the players as being down with the people and the owners as the evil business men, when it's the opposite.
 
2017-03-15 09:26:31 AM  
Send him to Arizona. Why? Because the CongresSkins don't need or want him, so they should just send him to the remotest part of the NFL.
 
2017-03-15 09:29:30 AM  

Birnone: Cleveland should play Osweiler, this frees them up to acquire players at other positions. If Osweiler does good, he becomes trade bait since at least a few teams are always desperate for a QB every year. Then they can look for someone new in a 2nd or 3rd round and already have the pieces to help the new guy. If he does bad, then they'll have a high draft pick again and can get a new QB.


Wait, I know it's the Browns and all, but if he did well why would they trade him?

/not that he would do well that is...
 
2017-03-15 09:34:41 AM  

ChrisDe: Kirk Cousins might be the luckiest guy on the planet. Journeyman QB, whose agent and good timing made him one of the NFL's highest-paid players. He'd be holding a clipboard on most teams, and maybe not even getting dressed in New England.


I keep hearing this narrative.  I am not a Redskins fan but if someone named Dirk Lovins threw for 4,900 yards and completed 67% of his passes for 25TD  vs 12INT and rushed for another 4, they'd start on quite a few NFL teams.

/plus Dirk Luvins is an awesome name
 
2017-03-15 09:41:06 AM  

Reanlous: scumbag athlete


Did I miss something? What has Kirk done to be labeled a "scumbag athlete"?
 
2017-03-15 09:41:26 AM  

Reanlous: We should all love this, because we should all love when any team does not pay a megalomaniac athlete, who thinks that he is better than he is, the outrageous sums of money he demands.

His numbers do not tell the accurate story. These second rate QB's and wide receivers get paid far too much money.

That said, the Clowns are probably the only franchise dumber than the Redskins. Another year started, with zero to show except losing their best player (Pryor).


In one sentence you bemoan overpaying for an athlete.  In the next you complain because the Browns didn't.  Pryor was done and no team other than the Browns would even look at him.  He'll flame out at his new home.
 
2017-03-15 09:42:20 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: ChrisDe: Kirk Cousins might be the luckiest guy on the planet. Journeyman QB, whose agent and good timing made him one of the NFL's highest-paid players. He'd be holding a clipboard on most teams, and maybe not even getting dressed in New England.

I keep hearing this narrative.  I am not a Redskins fan but if someone named Dirk Lovins threw for 4,900 yards and completed 67% of his passes for 25TD  vs 12INT and rushed for another 4, they'd start on quite a few NFL teams.

/plus Dirk Luvins is an awesome name


I agree. He's not at the level of A-a-ron Rodgers or Brady, but he's much better than most backups in the league and a much more solid choice than any QB in the draft.
 
2017-03-15 09:43:41 AM  

digistil: Reanlous: scumbag athlete

Did I miss something? What has Kirk done to be labeled a "scumbag athlete"?


He's just angry because reasons. I'm getting this vibe from him.

i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2017-03-15 09:53:43 AM  
The problem now is that the new 'moneyball' front office has a giant pile of draft picks...something like 11 picks in the next 2 drafts...as in 11 each year.

Now they need the talent evaluation part of the team to step up and choose good players for them. And assuming that happens, they need the front office to NOT let promising young talent walk away to a better team after doing all the heavy lifting of coaching them up,,,,looking at you, Mr Pryor

Even if they've done a noteworthy job in stockpiling picks, there's still a 2/3rds opportunity for them to Cleveland it all up
 
2017-03-15 09:53:52 AM  
At this point, I think Cleveland has a better chance at the playoffs than Washington.
 
2017-03-15 10:14:09 AM  

Mercutio879: At this point, I think Cleveland has a better chance at the playoffs than Washington.


But enough about the NBA.
 
2017-03-15 10:20:33 AM  

xaks: The problem now is that the new 'moneyball' front office has a giant pile of draft picks...something like 11 picks in the next 2 drafts...as in 11 each year.

Now they need the talent evaluation part of the team to step up and choose good players for them.


I hear that Scot McLoughan guy is available.
 
2017-03-15 10:25:23 AM  

pastramithemosterotic: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: ChrisDe: Kirk Cousins might be the luckiest guy on the planet. Journeyman QB, whose agent and good timing made him one of the NFL's highest-paid players. He'd be holding a clipboard on most teams, and maybe not even getting dressed in New England.

I keep hearing this narrative.  I am not a Redskins fan but if someone named Dirk Lovins threw for 4,900 yards and completed 67% of his passes for 25TD  vs 12INT and rushed for another 4, they'd start on quite a few NFL teams.

/plus Dirk Luvins is an awesome name

I agree. He's not at the level of A-a-ron Rodgers or Brady, but he's much better than most backups in the league and a much more solid choice than any QB in the draft.


as I've said before, "this".  Kirk isn't a QB that you can rely on to win games for you by himself (like Aaron R or Tom B, etc...) do at times.  Could he get there?  sure...but he's not there right now.  Saying that, he's still a good to great QB.
 
2017-03-15 10:29:35 AM  
Sure, let's get a one-year rental QB in a year when we're obviously not going to contend, and give up a key building block in the #12 overall pick for the privilege. What's not to love about that deal?
 
2017-03-15 10:31:43 AM  

smd31: pastramithemosterotic: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: ChrisDe: Kirk Cousins might be the luckiest guy on the planet. Journeyman QB, whose agent and good timing made him one of the NFL's highest-paid players. He'd be holding a clipboard on most teams, and maybe not even getting dressed in New England.

I keep hearing this narrative.  I am not a Redskins fan but if someone named Dirk Lovins threw for 4,900 yards and completed 67% of his passes for 25TD  vs 12INT and rushed for another 4, they'd start on quite a few NFL teams.

/plus Dirk Luvins is an awesome name

I agree. He's not at the level of A-a-ron Rodgers or Brady, but he's much better than most backups in the league and a much more solid choice than any QB in the draft.

as I've said before, "this".  Kirk isn't a QB that you can rely on to win games for you by himself (like Aaron R or Tom B, etc...) do at times.  Could he get there?  sure...but he's not there right now.  Saying that, he's still a good to great QB.


I gave him the nickname "Automatic Kirk " after the last two seasons.   Yes he performs well enough, except, when the game is one the line he makes it really clear he has no clutch
 
2017-03-15 10:38:02 AM  

MugzyBrown: Reanlous: These second rate QB's and wide receivers get paid far too much money

Glad you're here to protect the pocketbook of Dan Snyder and other total POS NFL owners.  We wouldn't want the athletes to get some of the billions the real heroes are earning.


el-oh-el
 
2017-03-15 10:39:07 AM  
Anyway, all of this comes from a rumor started by Mike Florio, who's as full of shiat as the phrase "growing belief in some circles" would imply.
 
2017-03-15 10:55:35 AM  

smd31: as I've said before, "this".  Kirk isn't a QB that you can rely on to win games for you by himself (like Aaron R or Tom B, etc...) do at times.  Could he get there?  sure...but he's not there right now.  Saying that, he's still a good to great QB.


He's a QB capable of dropping 2-4 games a year where he looks like Aaron Rodgers, and about 10-12 more a year where he's the 15th best QB in the league. I don't want to pay $120MM/6 years for that but hey, what's the alternative? Serviceable QBs don't grow on trees, especially for the freaking Redskins. They have cap room. Pay the man and move on.

I swear the Redskins front office would rather be 6-10 every year because it's familiar and comfortable than risk overpaying for an actual QB who might, with a competent defense, give them 11-5 consistently.
 
2017-03-15 11:07:31 AM  

Reanlous: MugzyBrown: Reanlous: These second rate QB's and wide receivers get paid far too much money

Glad you're here to protect the pocketbook of Dan Snyder and other total POS NFL owners.  We wouldn't want the athletes to get some of the billions the real heroes are earning.

First off, an athlete is not a hero anymore than Dan Snyder is. It is beyond disrespectful to real heros to call a scumbag athlete a hero. And I am glad that you are here to protect a multi-millionaire athlete's pocketbook, because all he did was be born with certain genetics to get rich.

Furthermore, and as an FYI - the athletes care less about the fans than the owners do: They make their money no matter what you think. The owners and the NFL's money - they make far more money based on the fans, by way of concessions, tickets, ratings, gear, branding, etc.

So...in conclusion, you brainless fans have it backwards - you keep thinking about the players as being down with the people and the owners as the evil business men, when it's the opposite.


Ok, so who are the real heroes? Let's see what generic, 2D view of people you have?

You can make the same case for Bill Gates as you can Eli Manning. Both hit the genetic lottery. Hell you could make the same case for Eli Manning as a guy who works fire and rescue. Both have the good fortune to be genetically capable of handling those stresses.

But whatever...rumble thy bellyful! Spit, fire! Spout, rain!
 
2017-03-15 11:33:07 AM  

Reanlous: MugzyBrown: Reanlous: These second rate QB's and wide receivers get paid far too much money

Glad you're here to protect the pocketbook of Dan Snyder and other total POS NFL owners.  We wouldn't want the athletes to get some of the billions the real heroes are earning.

First off, an athlete is not a hero anymore than Dan Snyder is. It is beyond disrespectful to real heros to call a scumbag athlete a hero. And I am glad that you are here to protect a multi-millionaire athlete's pocketbook, because all he did was be born with certain genetics to get rich.

Furthermore, and as an FYI - the athletes care less about the fans than the owners do: They make their money no matter what you think. The owners and the NFL's money - they make far more money based on the fans, by way of concessions, tickets, ratings, gear, branding, etc.

So...in conclusion, you brainless fans have it backwards - you keep thinking about the players as being down with the people and the owners as the evil business men, when it's the opposite.


You realize this is not just any football owners, but Dan Snyder and Jimmy Haslam, we're talking about here, right? Also, allow me to introduce you to some current and former owners like Stan Kroenke, Alex Spanos, Art Modell, Al/Mark Davis, Bud Adams, Georgia Frontiere... veritable pillars of civic virtue.
 
2017-03-15 11:49:40 AM  

Super Chronic: Anyway, all of this comes from a rumor started by Mike Florio, who's as full of shiat as the phrase "growing belief in some circles" would imply.


You have to remember this about Florio; he's a lawyer and sometimes, like this, he writes in legalize.
 
2017-03-15 12:23:33 PM  

Reanlous: These second rate QB's and wide receivers get paid far too much money.


They're getting paid market value, nothing more, nothing less. If someone is willing to pay them that money, that's the money they're worth. Middle of the road talent in the NFL is better than the dregs.
 
2017-03-15 12:29:30 PM  

bainsguy: Reanlous: These second rate QB's and wide receivers get paid far too much money.

They're getting paid market value, nothing more, nothing less. If someone is willing to pay them that money, that's the money they're worth. Middle of the road talent in the NFL is better than the dregs.


They're not even getting market value. If there were no salary cap they'd get paid a lot more.
 
2017-03-15 12:52:56 PM  

mjbok: Reanlous: We should all love this, because we should all love when any team does not pay a megalomaniac athlete, who thinks that he is better than he is, the outrageous sums of money he demands.

His numbers do not tell the accurate story. These second rate QB's and wide receivers get paid far too much money.

That said, the Clowns are probably the only franchise dumber than the Redskins. Another year started, with zero to show except losing their best player (Pryor).

In one sentence you bemoan overpaying for an athlete.  In the next you complain because the Browns didn't.  Pryor was done and no team other than the Browns would even look at him.  He'll flame out at his new home.


Cleveland offered Pryor more money and a longer contract than he got from Washington. I don't see how you can blame the Browns for that.
 
2017-03-15 01:04:34 PM  

ChrisDe: Kirk Cousins might be the luckiest guy on the planet. Journeyman QB, whose agent and good timing made him one of the NFL's highest-paid players. He'd be holding a clipboard on most teams, and maybe not even getting dressed in New England.


A journeyman who's only played for one team and passed for close to 5000 yards the last two seasons?
 
2017-03-15 01:09:43 PM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: ChrisDe: Kirk Cousins might be the luckiest guy on the planet. Journeyman QB, whose agent and good timing made him one of the NFL's highest-paid players. He'd be holding a clipboard on most teams, and maybe not even getting dressed in New England.

A journeyman who's only played for one team and passed for close to 5000 yards the last two seasons?


And "good timing" meaning on the depth chart when RGIII was injured?
 
2017-03-15 01:15:21 PM  
I want them to do this, if only for what it will do to Brock Osweiler.
 
2017-03-15 01:25:13 PM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: ChrisDe: Kirk Cousins might be the luckiest guy on the planet. Journeyman QB, whose agent and good timing made him one of the NFL's highest-paid players. He'd be holding a clipboard on most teams, and maybe not even getting dressed in New England.

A journeyman who's only played for one team and passed for close to 5000 yards the last two seasons?


But the narrative!
 
2017-03-15 01:32:16 PM  

Trivia Jockey: I want them to do this, if only for what it will do to Brock Osweiler.


There was a tweet on Thursday that said Osweiler has told people in private that he never should have left Denver.

Duh?
 
2017-03-15 01:39:17 PM  

Reanlous: So...in conclusion, you brainless fans have it backwards - you keep thinking about the players as being down with the people and the owners as the evil business men, when it's the opposite.


To be fair, I don't like any of them.  I'm just here to poke holes in their fragile egos.
 
2017-03-15 01:52:51 PM  

Mangoose: Reanlous: MugzyBrown: Reanlous: These second rate QB's and wide receivers get paid far too much money

Glad you're here to protect the pocketbook of Dan Snyder and other total POS NFL owners.  We wouldn't want the athletes to get some of the billions the real heroes are earning.

First off, an athlete is not a hero anymore than Dan Snyder is. It is beyond disrespectful to real heros to call a scumbag athlete a hero. And I am glad that you are here to protect a multi-millionaire athlete's pocketbook, because all he did was be born with certain genetics to get rich.

Furthermore, and as an FYI - the athletes care less about the fans than the owners do: They make their money no matter what you think. The owners and the NFL's money - they make far more money based on the fans, by way of concessions, tickets, ratings, gear, branding, etc.

So...in conclusion, you brainless fans have it backwards - you keep thinking about the players as being down with the people and the owners as the evil business men, when it's the opposite.

Ok, so who are the real heroes? Let's see what generic, 2D view of people you have?

You can make the same case for Bill Gates as you can Eli Manning. Both hit the genetic lottery. Hell you could make the same case for Eli Manning as a guy who works fire and rescue. Both have the good fortune to be genetically capable of handling those stresses.

But whatever...rumble thy bellyful! Spit, fire! Spout, rain!


Huh? You are saying athletes are "hero's"...but then saying that I am the one with the 2D view...?  Nothing to say back to that kind of dumb.
 
2017-03-15 01:53:53 PM  

Reanlous: MugzyBrown: Reanlous: These second rate QB's and wide receivers get paid far too much money

Glad you're here to protect the pocketbook of Dan Snyder and other total POS NFL owners.  We wouldn't want the athletes to get some of the billions the real heroes are earning.

First off, an athlete is not a hero anymore than Dan Snyder is. It is beyond disrespectful to real heros to call a scumbag athlete a hero. And I am glad that you are here to protect a multi-millionaire athlete's pocketbook, because all he did was be born with certain genetics to get rich.

Furthermore, and as an FYI - the athletes care less about the fans than the owners do: They make their money no matter what you think. The owners and the NFL's money - they make far more money based on the fans, by way of concessions, tickets, ratings, gear, branding, etc.

So...in conclusion, you brainless fans have it backwards - you keep thinking about the players as being down with the people and the owners as the evil business men, when it's the opposite.


The funny thing about your argument is that if strictly looking at the money it is the opposite way around. If nobody watches there would be no money in football and the owners would take a hit, but still be bloody rich. Even "poor" owners like Spanos and Davis would have enough money they could go relax on some island for the rest of their lives.

But the players would mostly have nothing. A hell of a lot of them would be in or near poverty, making minimum wage. Most would not have any college education.

In terms of money the players are the ones that primarily benefit. The owners may get more of it but it means far less to them.
 
2017-03-15 02:03:48 PM  

Reanlous: MugzyBrown: Reanlous: These second rate QB's and wide receivers get paid far too much money

Glad you're here to protect the pocketbook of Dan Snyder and other total POS NFL owners.  We wouldn't want the athletes to get some of the billions the real heroes are earning.

First off, an athlete is not a hero anymore than Dan Snyder is. It is beyond disrespectful to real heros to call a scumbag athlete a hero. And I am glad that you are here to protect a multi-millionaire athlete's pocketbook, because all he did was be born with certain genetics to get rich.

Furthermore, and as an FYI - the athletes care less about the fans than the owners do: They make their money no matter what you think. The owners and the NFL's money - they make far more money based on the fans, by way of concessions, tickets, ratings, gear, branding, etc.

So...in conclusion, you brainless fans have it backwards - you keep thinking about the players as being down with the people and the owners as the evil business men, when it's the opposite.


Shut up, Dan, you dunce!
 
2017-03-15 02:12:46 PM  

Mercutio879: Trivia Jockey: I want them to do this, if only for what it will do to Brock Osweiler.

There was a tweet on Thursday that said Osweiler has told people in private that he never should have left Denver.

Duh?


No sh*t. That team would have been patient with him.
 
2017-03-15 03:26:39 PM  

ChrisDe: Kirk Cousins might be the luckiest guy on the planet. Journeyman QB, whose agent and good timing made him one of the NFL's highest-paid players. He'd be holding a clipboard on most teams, and maybe not even getting dressed in New England.


The number of qbs to throw for 4900 yArds and also have a 70% completion season is extremely small
 
2017-03-15 03:35:19 PM  

Boxingoutsider: The number of qbs to throw for 4900 yArds and also have a 70% completion season is extremely small


I think he's a good QB, but a bit hot and cold. Andy Daltonish
 
2017-03-15 03:41:10 PM  

MugzyBrown: Boxingoutsider: The number of qbs to throw for 4900 yArds and also have a 70% completion season is extremely small

I think he's a good QB, but a bit hot and cold. Andy Daltonish


True. But Kirk Cousins can be the heart and soul of a team.  Dalton can only be the heart.
 
2017-03-15 04:43:33 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Birnone: Cleveland should play Osweiler, this frees them up to acquire players at other positions. If Osweiler does good, he becomes trade bait since at least a few teams are always desperate for a QB every year. Then they can look for someone new in a 2nd or 3rd round and already have the pieces to help the new guy. If he does bad, then they'll have a high draft pick again and can get a new QB.

Wait, I know it's the Browns and all, but if he did well why would they trade him?

/not that he would do well that is...


My thinking is two things, he costs too much and the Browns would rather have a new guy to be their franchise QB. If they draft someone they get a low paid rookie with his whole future ahead of him. All they need is Osweiler to have one good year so they can get something for him. I don't think anyone, even the Browns, sees him as the QB of the future. If he has one good year some team that needs immediate QB help will want him.
 
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