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(Today)   Texas grade school has an insane idea for fighting ADHD: Give kids recess instead of drugs. Shockingly, it works   ( today.com) divider line
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2017-03-14 11:22:39 AM  
You know, grandma would have given you that advice for free.
 
2017-03-14 11:32:20 AM  
Run them around & tire them out? Yeah I've never heard of that one. Get the adderall needle out of the freezer!
 
2017-03-14 12:15:19 PM  
That's good, but it has nothing to do with ADHD.
 
2017-03-14 12:46:46 PM  
Wonderful, but it will have to be ignored -this is not a picture of Trump's America:

media3.s-nbcnews.com
 
2017-03-14 02:14:34 PM  
If it works, how did Texas come up with it?
 
2017-03-14 02:17:56 PM  
You mean kids have trouble sitting still and listening for six straight hours with no free play time? Whouda thunk it.

My kid's school gives them one 20-minute recess and a little time after lunch. They'd probably do just as well on their standardized tests with triple the free play time. Free, unstructured play is good for young kids.
 
2017-03-14 02:23:50 PM  
You could also tire them out by letting them mine coal.

/just sayin'
 
2017-03-14 02:26:11 PM  
Checkmate!
 
2017-03-14 02:26:36 PM  
Did they get rid of recess at some point?
 
2017-03-14 02:27:26 PM  

Blues_X: That's good, but it has nothing to do with ADHD.


It has to do with over-diagnosis though.  I've had to listen to concerned parents tell me (in complete seriousness) that they were considering medicating their 5-year-old boys because said boys didn't like to brush their teeth.  That's not ADHD!  That's called being 5!  Adults have these incredibly screwed-up expectations that kids can essentially sit in a cube for 8 hours a day.  They can't.  Hell, many ADULTS can't do that.
 
2017-03-14 02:29:36 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Blues_X: That's good, but it has nothing to do with ADHD.

It has to do with over-diagnosis though.  I've had to listen to concerned parents tell me (in complete seriousness) that they were considering medicating their 5-year-old boys because said boys didn't like to brush their teeth.  That's not ADHD!  That's called being 5!  Adults have these incredibly screwed-up expectations that kids can essentially sit in a cube for 8 hours a day.  They can't.  Hell, many ADULTS can't do that.


Beat me to it.
 
2017-03-14 02:34:01 PM  
The children always go outside to play games or use the swings and slides, even if it's drizzly or cold.

Do schools now cancel recess if it's drizzly or cold? When I was a kid we still went out unless it was pouring or unless the temperature was below -200C. Parents were expected to send their kids to school in the appropriate attire (rain coats & rubber boots / coat or snowsuit w/gloves, hat, boots, etc.)
 
2017-03-14 02:41:44 PM  
Great idea. Keeping kids in the classroom for 3 or 4 strait hours is silly, especially at age 6. Let them bloody play a bit and run around. It's good for them, in every way.

I will bet the majority of them learn better as a result. My 7 year old is struggling in school, and I think part of it is she is just not temperamentally suited to sitting still and listening for long stretches. She can do an hour or so at a time, if it is structured and she has had a chance to blow off some steam though.
 
2017-03-14 02:45:50 PM  
Texas Recess

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2017-03-14 02:47:14 PM  
I have a cousin who as a young child was diagnosed with severe ADHD.  He did have issues, but was a good kid.  His parent's reluctantly decided to medicate him.  The results were not great he behaved better but it sucked the life out of him.  As a high school student he joined cross country.  Running five miles a day did more for him than every med he ever took.  Plus running shoes were probably cheaper than Ritalin.
 
2017-03-14 02:53:49 PM  
qph.ec.quoracdn.net
 
2017-03-14 03:11:30 PM  

Tyrosine: The children always go outside to play games or use the swings and slides, even if it's drizzly or cold.

Do schools now cancel recess if it's drizzly or cold? When I was a kid we still went out unless it was pouring or unless the temperature was below -200C. Parents were expected to send their kids to school in the appropriate attire (rain coats & rubber boots / coat or snowsuit w/gloves, hat, boots, etc.)


Still the same way here, has to be -25C or below for them to have indoor recess.  Or super super windy.
 
2017-03-14 03:15:20 PM  
I wonder if the two kids upstairs wouldn't be so overmedicated and maladjusted if they were allowed to play outside more than a handful of times a year. They must get some recess at school, but once they're home, they stay indoors. Every winter storm gives us a yard full of snow that stays untouched until it melts. That just seems wrong when there are two young boys living here.

/their mother is a head case
 
2017-03-14 03:19:49 PM  

Ambitwistor: [qph.ec.quoracdn.net image 402x511]


As much as I sympathize with the sentiment, this cartoon - like the article - has nothing to do with ADHD.  But I don't expect anyone who doesn't have ADHD to really understand the difference.  Actually, I don't expect most people who have ADHD to understand the difference until they've found the right medication and dosage.  It's something that has to be experienced to be understood, and from what I can tell, there's zero corollary for the average neurotypical person.

As for the article, there are plenty of studies showing the benefits of recess and physical activity for all kids, but they don't help kids with ADHD any more than kids without it.  It just shifts the baseline for the population as a whole.
 
2017-03-14 03:23:17 PM  
Kids that age back in cavemen days were out participating in Woolly Mammoth hunts.
Humans are not simple not engineered to be sitting, listening to lecture for multiple hours.
 
2017-03-14 03:24:10 PM  

obenchainr: Ambitwistor: [qph.ec.quoracdn.net image 402x511]

As much as I sympathize with the sentiment, this cartoon - like the article - has nothing to do with ADHD.


The joke isn't that Calvin has ADHD.  The joke is that he doesn't.
 
2017-03-14 03:59:16 PM  

Ambitwistor: obenchainr: Ambitwistor: [qph.ec.quoracdn.net image 402x511]

As much as I sympathize with the sentiment, this cartoon - like the article - has nothing to do with ADHD.

The joke isn't that Calvin has ADHD.  The joke is that he doesn't.


Except that giving a kid without ADHD the meds they give for ADHD doesn't turn them into focused, unimaginative robots.  Most ADHD meds are stimulants ffs, give em to a kid without ADHD and they go manic.
 
2017-03-14 04:06:33 PM  

I created this alt just for this thread: Ambitwistor: obenchainr: Ambitwistor: [qph.ec.quoracdn.net image 402x511]

As much as I sympathize with the sentiment, this cartoon - like the article - has nothing to do with ADHD.

The joke isn't that Calvin has ADHD.  The joke is that he doesn't.

Except that giving a kid without ADHD the meds they give for ADHD doesn't turn them into focused, unimaginative robots.  Most ADHD meds are stimulants ffs, give em to a kid without ADHD and they go manic.


And that fact doesn't detract from the point of the cartoon one little bit.
 
2017-03-14 04:09:54 PM  

Tyrosine: The children always go outside to play games or use the swings and slides, even if it's drizzly or cold.

Do schools now cancel recess if it's drizzly or cold? When I was a kid we still went out unless it was pouring or unless the temperature was below -200C. Parents were expected to send their kids to school in the appropriate attire (rain coats & rubber boots / coat or snowsuit w/gloves, hat, boots, etc.)


We just put the two year old into a Montessori program.  Those kids go outside and play twice a day no matter what the weather is.   Snow, rain, sleet, doesn't matter.  Heat might keep them in, but it's Seattle, so that's a rarity.

Kids love it, too.
 
2017-03-14 04:12:06 PM  
My son has been diagnosed with ADHD.  He is very different from the other boys in his classes and it is obvious he has issues.  We've tried medication but it just makes him feel sick to his stomach and there is no real improvement.    He is not disruptive in class, just doesn't pay attention consistently.   He is working hard to improve and learning how to conform but it is a constant struggle and probably will be the rest of his life.
 
2017-03-14 04:29:43 PM  
When I hear about elementary schools that have no recess at all or just one for 10 min a day it blows my mind.

1970's/80's - We got a 20 min in the morning halfway between the start of the day and lunch, 45 min for lunch so the faster you ate the more time there was for running around, and we got a gimpy little 15 min break in the afternoon.   Even with those 3 recess periods we all got seriously restless the last half hour before each one, I can't imagine trying to hold my shiat together for 8 hours solid as an 8 year old.
 
2017-03-14 04:31:05 PM  
The best way to describe ADHD isn't "Constantly daydreaming" or "Unable to pay attention", it's A) I do not have the ability to tune out external stimuli, meaning I am easily distracted not because I don't pay attention-but because I pay attention to everything, and B) Some *serious* executive function issues.

Meds aren't always the answer, of course-and it's super-important to develop coping strategies even if you DO have medication. (A good trick to deal with A), for instance, is a 'necessary distraction' that could drown out or swamp out other things, like music.)
 
2017-03-14 04:33:38 PM  
Also the "inability to ignore things" does tend to apply to my own thoughts (or did?). A will make me think of B,w hich makes me think of C, which makes me think of D, which makes me think of E and oh shiat I've not been paying attention to class for the last twenty minutes.

I have noticed I tend to have *really* good relational memory, though, and am good at connecting dots between seemingly unrelated datapoints. I also have within the past 5 or so years gotten good at-I'm not sure how to describe it. 'Thought Stopping' techniques? It's more for anxiety then ADHD, but I've gotten to the point where I can sort of 'process-kill' certain trains of thought if they start running away.

(Other fun thing about ADHD: Difficulty sleeping because your mind will not shut the fark up.)
 
2017-03-14 05:00:18 PM  

Tyrosine: I created this alt just for this thread: Ambitwistor: obenchainr: Ambitwistor: [qph.ec.quoracdn.net image 402x511]

As much as I sympathize with the sentiment, this cartoon - like the article - has nothing to do with ADHD.

The joke isn't that Calvin has ADHD.  The joke is that he doesn't.

Except that giving a kid without ADHD the meds they give for ADHD doesn't turn them into focused, unimaginative robots.  Most ADHD meds are stimulants ffs, give em to a kid without ADHD and they go manic.

And that fact doesn't detract from the point of the cartoon one little bit.


You're right, but since this is a thread about ADHD and the comic doesn't have anything to do with ADHD, obenchainr's point still stands.  As does mine, since I was agreeing that the comic isn't about ADHD and explaining why.
 
2017-03-14 07:14:00 PM  
I will always be infinitely thankful to my mom for standing up to the principal of my school who tried to drug me up because I was bored in class when I was like 10.

I don't know what would have come of it, but I'd probably be dead.
 
2017-03-14 07:50:58 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Blues_X: That's good, but it has nothing to do with ADHD.

It has to do with over-diagnosis though.  I've had to listen to concerned parents tell me (in complete seriousness) that they were considering medicating their 5-year-old boys because said boys didn't like to brush their teeth.  That's not ADHD!  That's called being 5!  Adults have these incredibly screwed-up expectations that kids can essentially sit in a cube for 8 hours a day.  They can't.  Hell, many ADULTS can't do that.


I couldn't. Now I play with airplanes.
 
2017-03-14 10:17:18 PM  

BMFPitt: I will always be infinitely thankful to my mom for standing up to the principal of my school who tried to drug me up because I was bored in class when I was like 10.

I don't know what would have come of it, but I'd probably be dead.


When my daughter was 4 I was the lone person standing up to the machine, or whatever you want to call it.  My daughter was fine enough around me, but my ex-wife was dealing with a lot of acting out over the divorce (long story, but kids tend to 'know').  My ex's counselor was leading the conversation a certain way, and one of my daughter's preschool teachers just flat out didn't like her and wanted her doped up.  Seriously.

So we had to go through testing.  My mother and sister taught special needs students, so from them I knew my girl wasn't ADHD or suffering from more serious stuff.  None of the signs were there.  If nothing else we were dealing with a little girl coming to terms with major life changes.

But, testing.  I remember pages and pages of questions like 'does your child throw tantrums' and 'does your child get into quarrels on the playground', stuff like that.  I'm paraphrasing of course.  But I'd answer 'yes' and in the comment section say 'because she's a kid, that's what kids do'.  Every time.

Daughter passes the tests, but during consultation afterwards the doc wondered what we thought.  I said 'we're dealing with a vulnerable child going through major changes, it's hard'.  He had no idea what I was talking about.  I go 'ummmm, her mom and I divorced like 6 months ago'.

The doc had no idea.  Basically changed his whole diagnosis.  The ex, counselor, and teacher had failed to tell him any of that.  I stated that there would be no medication, at least not until we saw ACTUAL symptoms..

Anyway, my daughter is 15 now and not ADHD.  She's just a kid making her way.  And A/B honor roll and a top notch jazz ensemble trumpet player.  I don't even hate on her mom anymore, it was a crazy time.  I told some of this story to my daughter a few months ago, and she has zero memory of it.
 
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2017-03-15 12:27:16 AM  
I grew up in the 70s and 80s, and was lucky to go to very good public schools. It was in Wyoming before the oil bust of the late 80s.  The schools had a decent amount of money and had good resources.  One thing I remember is recess. Rain, snow, or shine we were outside for 20 minutes or so.  I don't recall the actual time, but it was enough time to have a quick kickball game, run around and get the energy out. I have decent memories of school.

Now at the age of 46, I find myself the father of a three year old. The idea of sending her to school terrifies me. We live in an area at least for now has good public schools, but all the stories about how schools are run now, do not resemble how I was taught.
 
2017-03-15 08:56:19 AM  
So.....what does this do for the kids that have adhd-PI, not the hyperactive kind? When you have inattentive adhd everybody just thinks you're lazy, depressed, or stupid.
 
2017-03-15 03:28:09 PM  

TommyDeuce: Wonderful, but it will have to be ignored -this is not a picture of Trump's America:

[media3.s-nbcnews.com image 640x480]


Actually it is.
 
2017-03-15 03:28:55 PM  

gunsmack: If it works, how did Texas come up with it?


Because Texas is the greatest state in the Union.
 
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