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(gHacks)   Remember, Windows Vista support ends next month. But if you ask me, I don't remember Vista ever getting support   ( ghacks.net) divider line
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2017-03-13 03:41:34 PM  
Never, ever had a problem with Vista. It beat the shiat outta Windows fu*king 8, that's for damn sure.
 
2017-03-13 03:51:25 PM  

John Buck 41: Never, ever had a problem with Vista. It beat the shiat outta Windows fu*king 8, that's for damn sure.


I've had a PC for 8 years that is still on its original Vista install. It's only now starting to slow down and get laggy.
 
2017-03-13 04:14:53 PM  
I'm with subby.
 Windows Me, Jr. had support?
 
2017-03-13 04:28:52 PM  
I rocked Vista on my ancient previous computer because the mobo lacked proper RAID drivers under Win7. It ran just fine. Turn off UAC and don't be a shiat that paws at every pop-up and ad you see.
 
2017-03-13 04:29:56 PM  
I put Vista back on a machine because it was the only license I owned for it after Windows 10 free previews ran out.

It was surprisingly just fine. The rollout was bad but once it had service packs Vista was really good.

Few remember, but people freaked out when XP was introduced, too.
 
2017-03-13 04:33:47 PM  

PirateKing: John Buck 41: Never, ever had a problem with Vista. It beat the shiat outta Windows fu*king 8, that's for damn sure.

I've had a PC for 8 years that is still on its original Vista install. It's only now starting to slow down and get laggy.


Migrate over to SSD and it'll be like a whole new computer... Running Vista in hyper speed.
 
2017-03-13 04:39:31 PM  
Had issues with Vista but it was so long ago I don't remember why, now I'm still running the same box but with 7 and it's fine. Hopefully this will be the box I retire with and on that day I'll just burn it...damn, that would be a nice day.
 
2017-03-13 04:39:34 PM  
I had Vista for a while, ran it fine with no problems.

Eventually the motherboard puked, but that isn't Vista's fault
 
2017-03-13 04:39:47 PM  

jaytkay: I put Vista back on a machine because it was the only license I owned for it after Windows 10 free previews ran out.

It was surprisingly just fine. The rollout was bad but once it had service packs Vista was really good.

Few remember, but people freaked out when XP was introduced, too.


Yup. I have a teenage computer downstairs.

AMD Athlon 64 3200+, 3 GB DDR1, 7200 RPM hdd and a Radeon 9600 Pro 256 (AGP) gpu. I looked around thinking "what do I still have a license for?", and thought, hell I'll put Vista on it. I still have a license for that and it's dying soon.

It runs perfectly fine. Vista got the rep it got because a) it was aggressive in terms of RAM usage and b) OEMs released "Vista ready" PCs with 1 GB of RAM, 2 if you were lucky. Later service packs fixed a ton of the Vista problems.

If you're still running Vista and you want/need a cheap 7/8.1/10 Key

https://www.reddit.com/r/microsoftsoftwareswap/

/you will get better fps in 7
//I still see Vista in small businesses sometimes
///at least they can jump right to 7
 
2017-03-13 04:40:26 PM  

PirateKing: John Buck 41: Never, ever had a problem with Vista. It beat the shiat outta Windows fu*king 8, that's for damn sure.

I've had a PC for 8 years that is still on its original Vista install. It's only now starting to slow down and get laggy.


Please. I'm running a machine with XP. I'm not going to brag on it though because it'll die immediately after.
 
2017-03-13 04:44:08 PM  

John Buck 41: Never, ever had a problem with Vista.


Nor have I. Of course, I have never sullied any of my machines with it.
 
2017-03-13 04:44:47 PM  

PirateKing: John Buck 41: Never, ever had a problem with Vista. It beat the shiat outta Windows fu*king 8, that's for damn sure.

I've had a PC for 8 years that is still on its original Vista install. It's only now starting to slow down and get laggy.


There's this misconception about PCs that they should get 'slow and laggy' after a while. There's no good reason that should be happening, and it probably wasn't a progressive change. It probably happened after something in the system changed, be it some crappy software, malware, or something. Secondly, you shouldn't accept it. Find and fix the issue and your computer should operate at the same speed it did when it was new.
 
2017-03-13 05:18:17 PM  

Barfmaker: Had issues with Vista but it was so long ago I don't remember why, now I'm still running the same box but with 7 and it's fine. Hopefully this will be the box I retire with and on that day I'll just burn it...damn, that would be a nice day.


Google windows 10 accessibility upgrade.  It's still free.
 
2017-03-13 05:26:01 PM  

Cyclonic Cooking Action: Barfmaker: Had issues with Vista but it was so long ago I don't remember why, now I'm still running the same box but with 7 and it's fine. Hopefully this will be the box I retire with and on that day I'll just burn it...damn, that would be a nice day.

Google windows 10 accessibility upgrade.  It's still free.


Is there something I missed about Windows10 that people are all up in arms about? I mean aside from all the metrics it liked to send home early on? It's been mad nice both at home and at work for me.
 
2017-03-13 06:00:35 PM  

KingBiefWhistle: Cyclonic Cooking Action: Barfmaker: Had issues with Vista but it was so long ago I don't remember why, now I'm still running the same box but with 7 and it's fine. Hopefully this will be the box I retire with and on that day I'll just burn it...damn, that would be a nice day.

Google windows 10 accessibility upgrade.  It's still free.

Is there something I missed about Windows10 that people are all up in arms about? I mean aside from all the metrics it liked to send home early on? It's been mad nice both at home and at work for me.


1) Ads. I didn't pay for that shiat just for ads to show up anyway. If it was freeware I could understand.
2) Anniversary update broke things at work, completely ruined my ability to connect to WiFi. did everything, every suggestion and nothing worked; rolled it back and that solved the WiFi problem.
3) Spying on the users aggressively and actively deleting their software or changing their user preferences, regardless of what you crammed into the EULA, is a DICK MOVE.
4) printer driver issues... which basically makes it the same as every other version of Windows since Vista.
5) that gorram UEFI BIOS that makes it almost impossible to do a recovery install. Or a recovery. Or a HDD swap. Or any kind of mods really; want Linux? fark YOU!
6) got favorite legacy programs? TFB. Buy new ones.
7) Cobbled user interface that took the worst of 7 & 8 and merged them. I liked the tiles, once I understood how they worked; the worst part of a crash was having to re-do them again from memory, and that's not easy at my age!

These are my complaints alone. I actually grew to like Win8 and was forced to 10 when my Lenovo Yoga went to hell without warning (shiat out a HDD, and oh yeah: those hyperthin drives are not available off the shelf!!) and my Windows Home Server couldn't restore it. I cried. I spent close to a year getting that Win8 laptop the way I wanted it and getting all my legacy software to work and then *poof* gone.

Things I *really* liked about 8 over 7? Legacy programs that wouldn't run on 7 DID run on 8! MusicMatch 7.4 was my favorite save. Still haven't tried it on 10 yet, life has been complicated.
 
2017-03-13 06:26:25 PM  
The gunslinger's gonna be madder than a wet sack of bees. He's been running Vista for ages.
 
2017-03-13 06:31:55 PM  

thespindrifter: 6) got favorite legacy programs? TFB. Buy new ones.


How legacy are we talking here?  I have apps written in VB6 running on my Win10 Pro box just fine.

In fact, I have VB6 itself- the IDE- running on Win10 Pro in case I need to make a change.

Yeah, I could re-write them all in .NET and the like... but why?  They just work.  And so some complicated stuff.  (And they're only for me to use, not for production for customers or clients.)
 
2017-03-13 06:33:49 PM  

AgentKGB: jaytkay: I put Vista back on a machine because it was the only license I owned for it after Windows 10 free previews ran out.

It was surprisingly just fine. The rollout was bad but once it had service packs Vista was really good.

Few remember, but people freaked out when XP was introduced, too.

Yup. I have a teenage computer downstairs.

AMD Athlon 64 3200+, 3 GB DDR1, 7200 RPM hdd and a Radeon 9600 Pro 256 (AGP) gpu. I looked around thinking "what do I still have a license for?", and thought, hell I'll put Vista on it. I still have a license for that and it's dying soon.

It runs perfectly fine. Vista got the rep it got because a) it was aggressive in terms of RAM usage and b) OEMs released "Vista ready" PCs with 1 GB of RAM, 2 if you were lucky. Later service packs fixed a ton of the Vista problems.

If you're still running Vista and you want/need a cheap 7/8.1/10 Key

https://www.reddit.com/r/microsoftsoftwareswap/

/you will get better fps in 7
//I still see Vista in small businesses sometimes
///at least they can jump right to 7


You definitely needed good hardware to run Vista.  I put it on the bootcamp partition on a Mac Pro.  With two dual core Xeons and 16GB of RAM, Vista ran like a raped ape.
 
2017-03-13 07:09:27 PM  

AgentKGB: Vista got the rep it got because a) it was aggressive in terms of RAM usage and b) OEMs released "Vista ready" PCs with 1 GB of RAM, 2 if you were lucky. Later service packs fixed a ton of the Vista problems.


3) UAC control pop ups that bordered on customer abuse.

I got the idea behind user account control right away, but holy crap did they fark up the implementation in Vista. They only half fixed it with the service packs. You don't really notice it unless you build a lot of Windows machines, but if you do a back-to-back install of Windows 7 SP1 and Windows Vista SP2, it's really apparent how much MS streamlined the UAC design.

Vista certainly wasn't as horrible as Windows 8, but its explorer interface and overall user interface is a little long in the tooth.
 
2017-03-13 07:32:53 PM  

thespindrifter: 1) Ads. I didn't pay for that shiat just for ads to show up anyway. If it was freeware I could understand.


If by "ads" you mean "suggested apps" then that's a single off button and you never see them. And they're not what I'd consider "ads" anyway. The developers don't pay for them for a start. And they're not ads for cornflakes, cars, viagra etc. It's like Netflix or Amazon suggesting new shows based on what you've watched in the past. Those aren't "adverts".

thespindrifter: 3) Spying on the users aggressively and actively deleting their software or changing their user preferences, regardless of what you crammed into the EULA, is a DICK MOVE.


Anyone ever actually found any evidence of MS spying on users "aggressively"? Their EULA covers stuff like their cloud storage (which of course means MS have to upload your files), Cortana (which like Siri, Alexa etc has MS servers do the heavy lifting) and so on.

thespindrifter: 4) printer driver issues... which basically makes it the same as every other version of Windows since Vista.


I plug my ten year old HP color laser into Windows 10 and it just works. YMMV.

thespindrifter: 5) that gorram UEFI BIOS that makes it almost impossible to do a recovery install. Or a recovery. Or a HDD swap. Or any kind of mods really; want Linux? fark YOU!


I've upgarded hard drives, moved to a SSD, then moved from 32bit to 64bit, and not had any issues. The install process ran very smoothly.

thespindrifter: 6) got favorite legacy programs? TFB. Buy new ones.


I've never had anything not work. I have Paint Shop Pro 7 which is about fifteen years old and it ran perfectly on Windows 10. I still use Word 2007 and it runs perfectly. I use Screenwriter which is a decade old and it runs perfectly.

thespindrifter: 7) Cobbled user interface that took the worst of 7 & 8 and merged them. I liked the tiles, once I understood how they worked; the worst part of a crash was having to re-do them again from memory, and that's not easy at my age!


IMHO 10 fixes the problem 8 had. I loved 8, once I'd installed Classic Shell. On 10 there is a clear separation between the tablet UI and the desktop UI. I use 10 on my PC and my tablet and it works great on both. And I love being able to use tablet apps on my PC, and vice versa.
 
2017-03-13 07:51:01 PM  

KingBiefWhistle: Cyclonic Cooking Action: Barfmaker: Had issues with Vista but it was so long ago I don't remember why, now I'm still running the same box but with 7 and it's fine. Hopefully this will be the box I retire with and on that day I'll just burn it...damn, that would be a nice day.

Google windows 10 accessibility upgrade.  It's still free.

Is there something I missed about Windows10 that people are all up in arms about? I mean aside from all the metrics it liked to send home early on? It's been mad nice both at home and at work for me.


For the most part it's pretty good. The telemetry is certainly troubling, but I doubt Microsoft is looking at that data in any way other than the aggregate. I haven't personally seen many ads (other than Candy Crush and the like), but I already have Office 365 for work.

There are a number of small annoyances that point to a rotting foundation, however. Try creating a new user, logging in as that user, logging out, and then symlinking the user account folder to another drive. This breaks a huge amount of functionality (most new style apps and the start menu), so Microsoft is clearly doing something wrong there. A number of system dialogs do not support regular user accounts. If you try to do some kind of system wide task, then the dialog should escalate you; there's already a fully developed infrastructure in place to do that (UAC). Some dialogs (e.g., Device Manager, metered connections) just warn you that you're a limited user and/or disable functionality. Other dialogs, like the network settings "app" just silently hides functionality. This is annoying because I've found Windows to keep changing the network type after minor firewall configuration changes, which ends up blocking network credential propagation, subsequently breaking access to our file server.

A quirk of the version of Windows Server we have at work means I need to unjoin and rejoin every workstation after a feature update, which is just stupid.

Edge is in an embarrassing state for a company like Microsoft. OneDrive keeps breaking itself across all the computers I use it on. If you lose your internet connection for more than a few days (in a demonstration of the disdain the world has for me, we had poor DSL service that frequently went down and that we eventually abandoned after a 2 week downtime. We changed over to cable with a different company, then our modem and bonder got fried by a power surge that somehow bypassed our protector, leading to another 2 weeks of downtime), expect your computer to throw a fit after the connection is reestablished.
 
2017-03-13 08:44:43 PM  
Went to a new client the other day and found a windows nt server. Vista would be quite an upgrade
 
2017-03-13 09:25:38 PM  
It lifts and separates!
 
2017-03-13 09:26:12 PM  

PTP_Professor: Went to a new client the other day and found a windows nt server. Vista would be quite an upgrade


Novell is where it's at.
 
2017-03-13 09:27:06 PM  

Great_Milenko: You definitely needed good hardware to run Vista. I put it on the bootcamp partition on a Mac Pro. With two dual core Xeons and 16GB of RAM, Vista ran like a raped ape.


I should have clarified. I had a E6500 with 2 GB of DDR2 that ran XP fine (and later win 7 fine). RTM Vista made it run slow as hell. It did eventually get better (thankfully).

Lsherm: 3) UAC control pop ups that bordered on customer abuse.

I got the idea behind user account control right away, but holy crap did they fark up the implementation in Vista. They only half fixed it with the service packs. You don't really notice it unless you build a lot of Windows machines, but if you do a back-to-back install of Windows 7 SP1 and Windows Vista SP2, it's really apparent how much MS streamlined the UAC design.

Vista certainly wasn't as horrible as Windows 8, but its explorer interface and overall user interface is a little long in the tooth.


Yeah the UAC is always the first thing I turn off lol.
 
2017-03-13 09:39:29 PM  

Dragonflew: John Buck 41: Never, ever had a problem with Vista.

Nor have I. Of course, I have never sullied any of my machines with it.


I'm not a computer nerd. That said, I can recognize snark when I see it.
 
2017-03-13 09:47:48 PM  

CastIronStove: KingBiefWhistle: Cyclonic Cooking Action: Barfmaker: Had issues with Vista but it was so long ago I don't remember why, now I'm still running the same box but with 7 and it's fine. Hopefully this will be the box I retire with and on that day I'll just burn it...damn, that would be a nice day.

Google windows 10 accessibility upgrade.  It's still free.

Is there something I missed about Windows10 that people are all up in arms about? I mean aside from all the metrics it liked to send home early on? It's been mad nice both at home and at work for me.

For the most part it's pretty good. The telemetry is certainly troubling, but I doubt Microsoft is looking at that data in any way other than the aggregate. I haven't personally seen many ads (other than Candy Crush and the like), but I already have Office 365 for work.

There are a number of small annoyances that point to a rotting foundation, however. Try creating a new user, logging in as that user, logging out, and then symlinking the user account folder to another drive. This breaks a huge amount of functionality (most new style apps and the start menu), so Microsoft is clearly doing something wrong there. A number of system dialogs do not support regular user accounts. If you try to do some kind of system wide task, then the dialog should escalate you; there's already a fully developed infrastructure in place to do that (UAC). Some dialogs (e.g., Device Manager, metered connections) just warn you that you're a limited user and/or disable functionality. Other dialogs, like the network settings "app" just silently hides functionality. This is annoying because I've found Windows to keep changing the network type after minor firewall configuration changes, which ends up blocking network credential propagation, subsequently breaking access to our file server.

A quirk of the version of Windows Server we have at work means I need to unjoin and rejoin every workstation after a feature update, which is just stupid.

Edge i ...


This entire post is absolute nonsense.
 
2017-03-13 10:48:47 PM  

Lsherm: CastIronStove: KingBiefWhistle: Cyclonic Cooking Action: Barfmaker: Had issues with Vista but it was so long ago I don't remember why, now I'm still running the same box but with 7 and it's fine. Hopefully this will be the box I retire with and on that day I'll just burn it...damn, that would be a nice day.

Google windows 10 accessibility upgrade.  It's still free.

Is there something I missed about Windows10 that people are all up in arms about? I mean aside from all the metrics it liked to send home early on? It's been mad nice both at home and at work for me.

For the most part it's pretty good. The telemetry is certainly troubling, but I doubt Microsoft is looking at that data in any way other than the aggregate. I haven't personally seen many ads (other than Candy Crush and the like), but I already have Office 365 for work.

There are a number of small annoyances that point to a rotting foundation, however. Try creating a new user, logging in as that user, logging out, and then symlinking the user account folder to another drive. This breaks a huge amount of functionality (most new style apps and the start menu), so Microsoft is clearly doing something wrong there. A number of system dialogs do not support regular user accounts. If you try to do some kind of system wide task, then the dialog should escalate you; there's already a fully developed infrastructure in place to do that (UAC). Some dialogs (e.g., Device Manager, metered connections) just warn you that you're a limited user and/or disable functionality. Other dialogs, like the network settings "app" just silently hides functionality. This is annoying because I've found Windows to keep changing the network type after minor firewall configuration changes, which ends up blocking network credential propagation, subsequently breaking access to our file server.

A quirk of the version of Windows Server we have at work means I need to unjoin and rejoin every workstation after a feature update, which is just ...


Sure is chief.
 
2017-03-14 12:04:42 AM  
Actually, I guess what it comes down to is if you want to use Windows 10, you need to be content to use something that is clearly being worked on by junior level developers. The basic features get done, more or less, but the general resilience of the operating system is poor. Things frequently break in extremely embarrassing ways, and it's really a poor showing overall.

But it's passable.
 
2017-03-14 01:18:35 AM  

CastIronStove: The basic features get done, more or less, but the general resilience of the operating system is poor.


You sound like a real pro, with your inability to set up user folders off the c: drive and your use of local instead of domain accounts. Your opinion and advice is extremely valuable.
 
2017-03-14 08:52:51 AM  

kobrakai: PirateKing: John Buck 41: Never, ever had a problem with Vista. It beat the shiat outta Windows fu*king 8, that's for damn sure.

I've had a PC for 8 years that is still on its original Vista install. It's only now starting to slow down and get laggy.

Please. I'm running a machine with XP. I'm not going to brag on it though because it'll die immediately after.


I have machines at work that run on NT4 and MS-DOS.
 
2017-03-14 10:41:25 AM  

jaytkay: Few remember, but people freaked out when XP was introduced, too.


I remember.  XP is why I'm a Linux user now.  I even tried running those Win2K/Longhorn/XP Hybrid Windows versions that were/are floating around.

For all you nostalgic Farkers there's always Windows 2000 with backported XP updates, latest are from 2016-11-19.  I'd post a link but it's forbidden...google windows2000 tk and it's on a github.io page...

KingBiefWhistle: Is there something I missed about Windows10 that people are all up in arms about?


Some people don't like the default settings and have to resort to 3rd party software for the functionality that they'd like.  Having to install stuff for increased functionality and less spying pisses people off.
 
2017-03-14 06:17:09 PM  

Hagbardr: I have machines at work that run on NT4 and MS-DOS.


One of the mills here had machines that were still connected to 486 DOS machines less than 5 years ago. They eventually got bought out by a bigger company, and continued using those machines while replacements were programmed/procured.
 
2017-03-14 09:19:10 PM  

thespindrifter: KingBiefWhistle: Cyclonic Cooking Action: Barfmaker: Had issues with Vista but it was so long ago I don't remember why, now I'm still running the same box but with 7 and it's fine. Hopefully this will be the box I retire with and on that day I'll just burn it...damn, that would be a nice day.

Google windows 10 accessibility upgrade.  It's still free.

Is there something I missed about Windows10 that people are all up in arms about? I mean aside from all the metrics it liked to send home early on? It's been mad nice both at home and at work for me.

1) Ads. I didn't pay for that shiat just for ads to show up anyway. If it was freeware I could understand.
2) Anniversary update broke things at work, completely ruined my ability to connect to WiFi. did everything, every suggestion and nothing worked; rolled it back and that solved the WiFi problem.
3) Spying on the users aggressively and actively deleting their software or changing their user preferences, regardless of what you crammed into the EULA, is a DICK MOVE.
4) printer driver issues... which basically makes it the same as every other version of Windows since Vista.
5) that gorram UEFI BIOS that makes it almost impossible to do a recovery install. Or a recovery. Or a HDD swap. Or any kind of mods really; want Linux? fark YOU!
6) got favorite legacy programs? TFB. Buy new ones.
7) Cobbled user interface that took the worst of 7 & 8 and merged them. I liked the tiles, once I understood how they worked; the worst part of a crash was having to re-do them again from memory, and that's not easy at my age!

These are my complaints alone. I actually grew to like Win8 and was forced to 10 when my Lenovo Yoga went to hell without warning (shiat out a HDD, and oh yeah: those hyperthin drives are not available off the shelf!!) and my Windows Home Server couldn't restore it. I cried. I spent close to a year getting that Win8 laptop the way I wanted it and getting all my legacy software to work and then *poof* gone.

Things I *really* liked about 8 over 7? Legacy programs that wouldn't run on 7 DID run on 8! MusicMatch 7.4 was my favorite save. Still haven't tried it on 10 yet, life has been complicated.


I just reinstalled 7 on my htpc because it is the perfect OS for media streaming. Went well, created a perfect system image to skip 2 days of reinstall he'll next time.

MusicMatch. Now that's a name I havent heard in a long time. A long time. On that note, what do other Farkers so for a music library? Is everyone Spotify or does anyone out there still curate a digital collection like it's 2001 still?
 
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