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2004-05-12 01:14:32 PM  
Why haven't any Muslims come out and condemned the action of these men?

Oh, they did?

Well... I bet they didn't really mean it!
 
2004-05-12 01:14:38 PM  
MrPerspicacious

I'd rather you go there.

/sick of dumb farks who go "WHY DON'T U JUST GO1!!!!1!!"
 
YMW
2004-05-12 01:14:45 PM  
re: Conservatives lie by ommision and misdirection, look out for it ppls.

haha. ok. i will. thank you. you're a lifesaver.

/jeebus - keep on smokin
 
2004-05-12 01:14:46 PM  
Jake Steed - "Its easier to hunt them down and kill them if they're all in one place, no? I think that was part of President Bush's plan. It is better to fight them in their rat holes in the middle east, not the U.S."

If Bush thought this then he is a moron. I hope he didn't. Cells in the US and Europe are not backing their bags and heading to Iraq.

If you think al-Qaeda is stupid you will never beat them. Evil, yes. Stupid, no.
 
2004-05-12 01:14:57 PM  
frank2,

I doubt I could convince you, because you don't actually listen to facts, or understand reason it seems.

Canada has no interest in governing the world. We participate in the global community, and sent troops to whereever they are needed for peace keeping mission. Frequently we over-extent ourselves. In fact Canada has troops in dozens of spots around the world. We are there not to protect our interests, but to serve the interests of peace in general.

One example of this is that Canada was at the heart of trying to stop the Rawandan genocide. I suggest that you do some research on Canadian general Dallaire who bucked UN orders, and did everything he could to stop the genocide with only a few hundred troops. It was hopeless, but largely do to the fact that the US and France blocked the UN from stepping in. No oil I guess.

Of course we can't forget the fact that Canada entered WWI and II long before the US for the sake of fighting fascism, when it didn't directly threaten us. This would certainly demonstrate that Canadians aren't pussies.

Also, let's not forget that Canada is currently heading the UN in Afganistan. We went to war at America's side then, because a strong case was made for that intervention, unlike Iraq where your leadership clearly didn't know what it was talking about.

Sorry dude... we aren't pussies.

So how's about an answer now? I think you've tried to deflect the argument long enough.
 
2004-05-12 01:14:58 PM  
whidbey65

We are dealing with FANATICS. Who give ISLAM a bad name

And how do you think Christianity got a bad name from people like yourself and 99.3145% of every other Farker?
 
2004-05-12 01:15:37 PM  
You mean these people act and respond as most intelligent human beings would? But I thought god was on OUR side. Arent we better then them and as a result better able to make political decisions for them? Oh wait we were there for the WMDs, not nation building...

Hey, wait a minute.
 
2004-05-12 01:15:50 PM  
Oh and: 0.5 pts. to herne

/back from lunch
 
2004-05-12 01:15:51 PM  
About Nick Berg, the poor soul those subhumans murdered:

"While at Cornell, he traveled to Ghana to teach villagers how to make bricks out of minimal material. His father said Berg returned from Ghana with only the clothes on his back and emaciated because he gave away most of his food.

Michael Berg said his son saw his trip to Iraq as an adventure in line with his desire to help others."
 
2004-05-12 01:15:56 PM  
Jesus was something more then prophet and his standards had to be a little different. So his view on war/murder was a little different.

He gave life, never took.


You realize the Holy Bible
Was edited in fear of libel
Expurgated were some verse
That showed sweet Jesus at his worst
Turning water into liquor
Put him in a mood to bicker
He took a road trip to Damascus
Picking fights and kicking ass-cus
With his favorite fighting line
"Your dad's not as tough mine."
 
2004-05-12 01:15:56 PM  
OOOOOH pandas! I forgot about the pandas.

/wants that lemur stat
 
2004-05-12 01:16:17 PM  
skikvtL:- Good post.

Yes, Al-Queda had training camps in Northern Iraq well prior to us invading.

However, as the article says, the source of that info had a vested interest in causing an invasion, and the hearsay about a limited indirect link with Baghdad is hardly compelling.

AL- Zarqawi fled to Iraq from Afghanistan in May 2002 for medical treatment, arriving with two dozen al Qaeda members, and stayed to organize terror plots.

This still doesn't suggest any connection, support, or knowledge on the part of the Iraqi leadership.

There is also some evidence to support that some of the 9/11 hijackers had trained in Iraq. And that an Iraqi agent had met with Mohamed Atta in Prague.

This information came from the same source as the info that lead to the "45 minutes" claim, and was basically shot down in flames after the war.

As to the WMD question. I personally thought he had them, but it should have been up to the UN to find them if this was the case. Saddam's co-operation had become perfectly "satisfactory" according to the weapons inspectors.
 
2004-05-12 01:16:45 PM  
Jake Steed,

Damn fine point sir! Just as I was leaving...

I've maintained that for awhile now. You want to fight in the other guys back yard, not your own. Now we have terrorists having to tangle with hardcore Marines instead of in the US outwitting law enforcement. Terrorists are trained to inflict terror, to wreak havoc on civilians in their homes and cities, NOT to have to go toe to toe with frontline elite US troops.

It appears Bush has been misunderestimated again.
 
2004-05-12 01:17:43 PM  
Oh Christianity didn't have any problem losing what little credibility it had, barjockey but I don't recommend going around rounding them up and executing them, or reducing their countries to fused glass.

Don't be a tard...fanatics are fanatics.

I love nature, hate the ELF...get it?

No I don't expect you to...;)
 
2004-05-12 01:17:51 PM  
Jsimmons38040

Dude...if you don't like it here, which you must not when you say "Fark the U.S....and evryone sucks who lives there", why on Earth would you want to stay here? I'm not talking smack...just common sense. I happen to like it here.
 
2004-05-12 01:17:52 PM  
uncle eazy - it's easy to quote selectively & out of context

9.04
If the idolators sign a peace treaty with you, and do not violate it, nor band together with others against you, you shall fulfill your treaty with them until the expiration date. GOD loves the righteous.

then it goes to
9.05
Once the Sacred Months are past(wars are not allowed in holy months eg Ramadan), (and they refuse to make peace) you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. If they repent and observe the Prayers and give charity, you shall let them go. God is Forgiver, Most Merciful

8.39
You shall fight them to ward off oppression, and to practice your religion devoted to GOD alone. If they refrain from aggression, then GOD is fully Seer of everything they do.

who is Tabari?

anyway to refute Al-Bukhaari - The most noted scholar of mohammead's life and traditions quotes directly from Mohammad
"Whoever kills a muaahid (one of those who have a peace treaty with the Muslims) will not smell the fragrance of Paradise"

9.29
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya (state tax for non-muslims) willingly or unwillingly as they are under subjection

(muslims have to pay a "tax" also but that is called Zakaat and is fixed annually also)
 
2004-05-12 01:18:28 PM  
jer2911tx


how many of these are the same people we saw on the news dancing around when they were dragging charred US bodies around and hanging them from a bride?


In a country of 25 million people, I'd say its pretty unlkikely. Especially when you consider these people live in Bagdhad and the mob scene happened in Fallujah.


You ask 'Where's the outrage?" You get some and then you doin't beleive it. Unbeleivable.

Go write your congresmen a letter asking to turn Iraq into a glass parkinglot if it wil make you feel better.
 
2004-05-12 01:19:53 PM  
Yes, Al-Queda had training camps in Northern Iraq well prior to us invading.

"But in terms of Saddam Hussein being there, let's remember that his country is divided, in effect. He does not control the northern part of his country. We are able to keep arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt." Condoleezza Rice, 2001
 
2004-05-12 01:20:08 PM  
If you want lemurs you shall have lemurs..

[image from hankinslawrenceimages.com too old to be available]


But I don't think it's working. These people are machines! You just press a button and they just flame away, regardless of the cute kittens. Its so very very sad.
 
2004-05-12 01:20:23 PM  
mofomisfit

Pray...enlighten us.
Is it worse than dragging bodies down filthy streets? Is it worse than beheading someone on film? Is it worse than hacking the bodies of soldiers apart and capturing it on film? Is it worse than flying planes into buildings killing hundreds of innocent people?

Here's a little tip...
This is called war. Things happen during wars that no human should have to endure. Have been wars since the dawn of man, from the first moment caveman A decided he liked caveman B's abode better than his own. People are going to die. Check history before being ashamed of your country for the first time. And we're not alone in this kind of thing. None of us should be proud of what happens during war, but the bottom line is that is what war is all about.

As I said, I don't approve of any of it, but I do understand it as being a part of the human psyche.
 
2004-05-12 01:20:36 PM  
lookatme,

Dude... do we have to start quoting from the Bible? Christianity and Judaism is hardly peace-loving itself. Christianity has literally killed countless millions over the past 2,000 years.

All organized religions are wacko, because at the end of the day people believe what they are told without thinking critically.
 
2004-05-12 01:22:21 PM  
Thanks, Yoda.

Lemurs = underrated.
 
2004-05-12 01:22:33 PM  
jay_vee

Interesting points you make...but you have to admit...you probably couldn't even fart in Iraq without Saddam knowing about it. There's a good chance he knew he had Al Qaida there...maybe...maybe not. Don't know.

As far as the UN is concerned though...I'm waiting to see what the "Oil for Food" investigation proves.
 
2004-05-12 01:23:22 PM  
Incidentally, AP now reports that Brig. Gen. Kimmitt announced that Sgt. Javal Davis and Staff Sgt. Ivan L. Frederick II will both face general court-martials regarding their participation in the Abu Ghraib mess. No date or venue yet.
 
2004-05-12 01:23:23 PM  
BetterThanSex

Up to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the japanese were behaving pretty much the same way islamic militants are behaving now. After we nuked them, they turned into the greatest anti-war advocates the world has.

Some cultures just need "shock treatment".
 
2004-05-12 01:23:55 PM  
whidbey65

Okay. Well, for the record, I'm not one of these knee-jerk "N00k 'EM @LL!!!111! reactionaries either.
 
2004-05-12 01:24:05 PM  
Sorry for the biatchy response, But it's just that I'm SURROUNDED by farktards in this state who mention the most shiathole country you could go instead of america (why do they always pick the worst? They scared if they say "Go to Canada or england" or something it'll make America sound worse in comparison?)

And it's difficult to move when you're trying to get some student loans paid off along with a few other things.
 
2004-05-12 01:24:14 PM  
I was one of those who questioned yesterday whether there would be public condemnation in Iraq of this murder. I'm glad I was wrong, and I hope this part of the story is played prominantly in the Arab media as well as in the West.
 
2004-05-12 01:24:57 PM  
herne,

If Bush thought this then he is a moron. I hope he didn't. Cells in the US and Europe are not backing their bags and heading to Iraq.

If you think al-Qaeda is stupid you will never beat them. Evil, yes. Stupid, no.


Clearly you understand that in the very least Al-Qaida assets in the form of cash, weaponry, and command/control have been diverted to Iraq. Just the fact that Al-Zarqawi is there running things proves there is a sizeable material and intellectual investment in trying to stop Iraq from rising out of the doldrums. Their attention is there regardless and that can only be a good thing, foreign cells in place or not. Hell, if it only delays any foreign cell activity, it gives us more time to uncover them. Bottom line: You don't want their attention on the continental US.
 
2004-05-12 01:25:48 PM  
little_wyo_dj

The thing is, it is just really too bad that the horrors of war are not happening in your home town, and to your family and friends. Then maybe you wouldn't write it off so easily.

It is just so easy to say "oh well, that's war!", and shrug you sholder when all you have to do is watch a very sanatized version of it on tv.
 
2004-05-12 01:26:05 PM  
MrPerspicacious


jay_vee

Interesting points you make...but you have to admit...you probably couldn't even fart in Iraq without Saddam knowing about it. There's a good chance he knew he had Al Qaida there...maybe...maybe not. Don't know.

As far as the UN is concerned though...I'm waiting to see what the "Oil for Food" investigation proves.



It will prove that the UN is a big, bloated, corrupt organization that is impotent because member states put their own agendas first. France and Russia had big business with Iraq, thye were protecting their interests as much as the Iraq war served the interests of the US.

But its all we have and I still think it offers more credibility than any unilateral action.
 
2004-05-12 01:26:54 PM  
sugarlarry

Dude... do we have to start quoting from the Bible? Christianity and Judaism is hardly peace-loving itself. Christianity has literally killed countless millions over the past 2,000 years.

All organized religions are wacko, because at the end of the day people believe what they are told without thinking critically.


Since I want to make sure that all bases get covered here: Josef Stalin was a staunch atheist and pretty much banned the practice of all or most religion during his rule.
 
2004-05-12 01:27:16 PM  
These people do not deserve our respect or understanding or acceptance of their different culture. Their culture is barbarism, they are a historical relic. Their culture has voided itself.

Wipe them out, all of them. How many more videos of beheadings of civilians do we need to see before we realize that they are the animals?
 
2004-05-12 01:27:33 PM  
"...but many said his death was just the latest atrocity in a cycle of violence that is driving them to despair "

NO SHIAT!
 
2004-05-12 01:28:02 PM  
Didn't anyone see the part about how the terrorist attacks kill more Iraqis than Americans, and therefore they have a very good reason to hate them even if they are 100% fanatics?

Anyone?
 
2004-05-12 01:28:06 PM  
Nutz

I think that's the closest you and I have ever agreed on anything. I'll stop there, and break even for the day. My workday is complete.

Peace out Farkers!
 
2004-05-12 01:28:20 PM  
flubby

I was at that air show.....Farkin cool pic
 
2004-05-12 01:28:48 PM  
2004-05-12 01:23:23 PM comslave

BetterThanSex

Up to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the japanese were behaving pretty much the same way islamic militants are behaving now. After we nuked them, they turned into the greatest anti-war advocates the world has.

Some cultures just need "shock treatment".



Agreed. Hey! Is that black kid whistling at that white woman! Get the rope!
 
2004-05-12 01:29:28 PM  
Let's see if I can derail this flame war. How about something for the geeks?

[image from jaggedteam.com too old to be available]
New portable Sony product


New portable Nintendo product

/did it work?
 
2004-05-12 01:29:30 PM  
you should wait to hear what all the abuse is. it's not just panties on prisoners heads, it's not just naked guys. this shiat is the grossest perversion of humanity i could ever be ashamed of my country for.

Most of the world agrees with you that what those guards did was wrong, reprehensible, but they and their superiors will be held accountable, definitely.

That being said, download the execution video, then tell me ANYTHING justifies THAT. The farker who did the cutting is a career terrorist and fugitive from Jordan named Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. He is an evil shiatbag who faces a death sentance back in Jordan, and whose main goal at the moment is to prevent the rebuilding of Iraq and transition to a civilian government. By executing this antenna repairman, he hopes to cause the USA to make more costly mistakes and weaken the resolve of the allies who are (still) in Iraq, plus intimidate all the civilians into leaving Iraq.
 
2004-05-12 01:29:38 PM  
It is nice to hear this condemnation.
 
2004-05-12 01:29:39 PM  
comslave - Not at all really, they were acting like very different asshats. And the US strategy was to leverage the extremely rigid and hierarchical society to pacify resistance, even if it meant excepting many War Criminals from prosection including quite propably the Emperor.

Its called an exit strategy conditioned to the environment. Might be time to pick another one of those up.
 
2004-05-12 01:29:42 PM  
lookatme

The religion of peace:

- Koran, chapter V, verse 33-34 : "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His Prophet and perpetrate corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land"

Lie number one. This is the full context of verses 32-34.

[5.32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our apostles came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.


[5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,

[5.34] Except those who repent before you have them in your power; so know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

- Koran, chapter V, verse 51 : "O believers, do not hold Jews and Christians as your allies. They are allies of one another; and anyone who makes them his friends is surely one of them; and Allah does not guide the unjust."

But the Koran recognises Jews as people of God [Allah] and the Torah as a religious text. It suggests christians and jews will be saved (without converting) as long as they truely believe in God.

[5.44] Surely We revealed the [Torah?] in which was guidance and light; with it the prophets who submitted themselves (to Allah) judged (matters) for those who were Jews,

[5.69] Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians - whoever believes in [God] and the last day and does good - they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve.

[5.82] Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for [Muslims] (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to [Muslims] (are) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are [wise men] among them and because they do not behave proudly.

Still working on the rest of the crap you posted.
 
2004-05-12 01:30:31 PM  
The Goblin KIng: Al Qeada is patient. They sometimes go years between attacks. Their orginazation is divided into cells because they want each cell independent. Each group has a mission and they follow it out regardless of ehat another group is doing. Just because their 'focus' is on Iraq right now, it doesn't mean all their other plans are on the backburner. Ask the Spanish.
 
2004-05-12 01:31:07 PM  
shadowtlk --
Would you judge all of American culture by, say, "Fear Factor" or the number of drug-related homicides?
 
2004-05-12 01:31:07 PM  
harryjrf
Even the combined might of pandas, puppies, teddy bears, bunny rabbits and a kitten with a melon on its head cannot stop the rolling stone that is a fark flamewar.

Well tried, yet I feel you are doomed to failure.
 
2004-05-12 01:31:20 PM  
bludstone

Wow. Great post. I think that is the first time anyone has posted that iine reference to this incident...

/dumbass
 
2004-05-12 01:31:42 PM  
"People with their own interpretations of Islam are coming to this country and killing left and right, and the Americans are just providing them with the pretext to do so."


End of debate.

With such a prolific and proud history of fixing and saving the world, you would think American politicians would have the intelligence to do things correctly

The 'War on Terrorism' is a joke, and the more we sit here debating it, the more off topic we get.

Just think about it!

For goodness sake, look at Yodas Ugly Brother picture of the kitty with the lemon on his head! How can you still flame on about irrelevant shiat regarding the BS that is surrounding the Iraq debacle.

Democracy requires an strong underlying capitalist economic system. Iraq never had it; but neither did Japan or any country in Europe after 1945. Look at them today...

Whatever reason de jour you wish to cite for Iraq (and even Afghanistan, but that's a different story), beit WMDs, Democracy, or Saddam's brutality (which I thought we'd never here again after the prison shiat), these problems can easily be solved, let alone by the greatest power on earth


If our leaders wanted this war to be over, it would be over in a second. Remember that when anyone tries to talk BS about why there's a war in Iraq. Disgusting.
 
2004-05-12 01:32:20 PM  
In the spirit of cute things with stripey tails:

[image from mnsi.net too old to be available]
 
2004-05-12 01:32:28 PM  
MrPerspicacious :


Good call. Its a monumental occasion that we even came close to agreeing. Lets leave it at that.

/have fun!
 
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