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2017-02-17 12:52:59 PM  
I just bought VII and the X/X-2 set last night for PS4, actually. Saw they were half-price and pulled the trigger.

Dirty game secret: I've never played VII.
 
2017-02-17 01:45:26 PM  
I can't believe it's been 30 years... I'm looking forward to playing 15 whenever it comes out on PC.

Is 13 worth playing? There's a steam sale...
 
2017-02-17 01:46:29 PM  
Two threads?
 
2017-02-17 01:51:30 PM  
I've never played any Final Fantasy games. I'd want to start off with Final Fantasy I (from 1987) and work my way up through all 15 but I don't know which of the many billions of remake versions would be best to start with.
 
2017-02-17 01:51:35 PM  
All right everyone, I have only played 1 Final Fantasy game, not sure which one, my girlfriend had it on her Gameboy way back in the late 90s. I have Steam, no consoles. I'm not exceptionally versed in JRPGs but since they are all on sale, should I jump in to FF and where? And which should I avoid?
 
2017-02-17 01:58:38 PM  

LucklessWonder: I've never played any Final Fantasy games. I'd want to start off with Final Fantasy I (from 1987) and work my way up through all 15 but I don't know which of the many billions of remake versions would be best to start with.


1 isn'y very good, honestly.  And tough as hell.  They started to get better with 3 (unreleased in the US until recently).  4, 5, 6 were amazing in that old school jrpg feel.  And I'm sure you've heard of 7.  8 sucked.  9 was a lovely throwback.  10 was fun, but linear. 11 was an MMO.  12 was story heavy and uninteresting, to me anyway.  13 was meh.  14 was an MMO.  Haven't played 15 yet.
 
2017-02-17 02:03:21 PM  
Tempted to buy FF7 and FF8 on steam since they are on sale this weekend but I still have my PS2 hooked up to a CRT television with both of those games ready to go.

Whats the consensus on the PC versions of those.
 
2017-02-17 02:10:01 PM  
Siege of Dragonspear. Never got around to playing it previously.
 
2017-02-17 02:15:57 PM  

darkmayo: Tempted to buy FF7 and FF8 on steam since they are on sale this weekend but I still have my PS2 hooked up to a CRT television with both of those games ready to go.

Whats the consensus on the PC versions of those.


They've been cleaned up nicely.  Graphics are smoothed out. They also have little cheats built in you can turn off and on.  I never used them in 7, but I turned on the turbo draw because that crap gets tedious.
 
2017-02-17 02:30:53 PM  

Raug the Dwarf: LucklessWonder: I've never played any Final Fantasy games. I'd want to start off with Final Fantasy I (from 1987) and work my way up through all 15 but I don't know which of the many billions of remake versions would be best to start with.

1 isn'y very good, honestly.  And tough as hell.  They started to get better with 3 (unreleased in the US until recently).  4, 5, 6 were amazing in that old school jrpg feel.  And I'm sure you've heard of 7.  8 sucked.  9 was a lovely throwback.  10 was fun, but linear. 11 was an MMO.  12 was story heavy and uninteresting, to me anyway.  13 was meh.  14 was an MMO.  Haven't played 15 yet.


I really enjoyed the story to X, and X-2 had a great mechanic with the dresspheres since I usually never level up the useless party members and then just power through with my normal lineup when they would be most useful.
XII basically played itself once you got the Zodiak Spear
 
2017-02-17 02:37:47 PM  
V, II, and Astroneer, respectively.  Next thread.
 
2017-02-17 02:40:01 PM  
The NES games (1-3) have all been remade at some point, the remakes of 1 and 3 are good, I'm not a huge fan of 2 but it isn't bad.

The SNES run (4-6) are all excellent.  FF6 is still the high water mark for the series IMO.

The PS1 games (7-9) have aged horribly from a playability standpoint - 9 is still my favorite from that generation, but trying to play it now feels like a slog.  7 is a very good game, but since it was so many kids first FF game it gets to much benefit from rose colored glasses IMO.  FF 8 is bad, with boring characters and a terrible combat/stat system.

The PS2 games are a mixed bag.  FF10 is okayish, but I don't like the characters much.  FF12 was more interesting from a character/plot standpoint but didn't have the typical FF feel.  FF11 is an MMO and can be safely ignored.

I'm gonna get crap for this, but I liked FF13 (didn't play the sequels) and FF15.  I found them enjoyable, despite some flaws.  FF14 is an MMO and can be safely ignored (though it is a good example of an MMO).

TLDR version  FF6 Best, FF8 Worst.  Others are okay to great.
 
2017-02-17 02:49:04 PM  

Fano: Raug the Dwarf: LucklessWonder: I've never played any Final Fantasy games. I'd want to start off with Final Fantasy I (from 1987) and work my way up through all 15 but I don't know which of the many billions of remake versions would be best to start with.

1 isn'y very good, honestly.  And tough as hell.  They started to get better with 3 (unreleased in the US until recently).  4, 5, 6 were amazing in that old school jrpg feel.  And I'm sure you've heard of 7.  8 sucked.  9 was a lovely throwback.  10 was fun, but linear. 11 was an MMO.  12 was story heavy and uninteresting, to me anyway.  13 was meh.  14 was an MMO.  Haven't played 15 yet.

I really enjoyed the story to X, and X-2 had a great mechanic with the dresspheres since I usually never level up the useless party members and then just power through with my normal lineup when they would be most useful.
XII basically played itself once you got the Zodiak Spear


I actually really liked X-2.  It caught a lot of crap for the pop idol thing and the bizarre, creepy fanservicey stuff.  Those are incredibly valid complaints, and I don't blame anybody for dropping it based on that.  At the same time, as you say, the rapid-fire quickchange job/class system was an awesome refinement of the job system 5 worked on.

Story-wise, there was actually a lot more depth than was obvious at first glance.  It had a really good look at "okay, what happens to the world now?"  The heroes beat Sin, but that doesn't mean the world never has any more problems, and in saving the world, they left a huge power vacuum in their wake.  Factions, political upheavals, and power struggles were only natural, and it's incredibly rare to see a game that actually addresses that.  Having an ancient evil deep beneath the world manipulating the existing conflict to exact revenge was just the icing, but it was also about as "classic Final Fantasy" as you get.
 
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2017-02-17 02:52:34 PM  
I've played Final Fantasy 1 on...about 6 or 7 different platforms or emulators.  My favorite is the Dawn of Souls one where you fight bosses from other Final Fantasy games and get new gear.

Final Fantasy 4 is my all time favorite RPG.  I know it doesn't have all the bells and whistles other SNES RPGs have, but dammit, just something about it stayed with me all these years.  It was the first game that made me feel emotion towards the characters, they weren't just pixels in a game.  Cecil had deep regret over what he did to Rydia's hometown.  Kain had this jealousy in him that plagued him throughout the game.  Edge wanted revenge and had to kill his own parents because they were turned into monsters.  Rydia had to overcome her fear to help her friends.  All the loss of life and sacrifices people made.

Final Fantasy 9 is probably my 2nd favorite.  I played it recently and it is slow at times, but it still holds up pretty well.  I just didn't like the ending.  It was probably the worst ending in a game I've played.  FF4 did the "a bigger, more terrible enemy is actually behind the whole thing!" and when it came out, that was fine.  But FF9 took it a step too far and kinda made the whole game pointless.  It is still fun to play and Vivi is awesome.

FFXV is a mixed bag for me.  The open world feel made me play the game a lot, but it didn't have a lot to do in it.  It was average at best.
 
2017-02-17 02:53:01 PM  
I was having a conversation with a friend the other week about which FF game had the most annoying token little girl character.

We ended up agreeing to disagree, but his answer was Vanille and mine was Selphie.
 
2017-02-17 03:25:28 PM  
I liked the arc across X and X-2. 12 really struck me as something that almost wanted to be Star Wars.

I think I liked 8 lot better than most - I thought all the PS1 games were solid.

The SNES games were amazing.

1 was a grind.
 
2017-02-17 03:35:41 PM  
I'm gonna let y'all finish, but Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions is the best Final Fantasy of all time! OF ALL TIME!  And I still haven't beat it...20 years after it came out!

The worst?  Mystic Quest.  It was the beginner's final fantasy made for nobody.I still remember playing it though.

6 is still the best of the numbered ones.  7 I never got around to finishing and got mad about all the shiat that required a black chocobo to get.  I think 7 turned me off of the numbered games up until 13 came out...which promptly made me realize that I was no longer the target audience for numbered FF games.

One of these days I'll finish Crisis Core on my ancient PSP...that is the most interesting one that I never played enough to get into.
 
2017-02-17 03:39:11 PM  

Outlawtsar: I'm gonna let y'all finish, but Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions is the best Final Fantasy of all time! OF ALL TIME!  And I still haven't beat it...20 years after it came out!


FFT is the best, frankly. I rage quit several times on it when I lost people that I'd been building up forever. Then I finally buckled down and got serious and got a stable of strong special characters and finally beat it. Great story.
 
2017-02-17 03:39:36 PM  
Final Fantasy IX is my favorite of the series.

Final Fantasy IV has my favorite music of the series. Zeromus's theme is probably my favorite of all Final Fantasy themes.

Final Fantasy VIII is the first of the series that I could not bring myself to completely play through after starting it.

I have not yet finished Final Fantasy III on the DS but I did finish a fan translation of the Famicom version.

I have not played Final Fantasy II nor have I played any of the series after X (including X-2) apart from XIV, which I have been playing actively as of late.
 
2017-02-17 03:47:24 PM  
I have to admit that I always really liked FF8.

I liked the music, I liked the story, I liked the gameplay. Most of the characters were interesting, with the exception of the main guy.

it was 9 that made me stop playing. I really didn't care about any of the characters at all.
 
2017-02-17 03:48:37 PM  
FFVI is my favorite with FFIV and IX  close behind.
 
2017-02-17 03:50:54 PM  

naughtyrev: Outlawtsar: I'm gonna let y'all finish, but Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions is the best Final Fantasy of all time! OF ALL TIME!  And I still haven't beat it...20 years after it came out!

FFT is the best, frankly. I rage quit several times on it when I lost people that I'd been building up forever. Then I finally buckled down and got serious and got a stable of strong special characters and finally beat it. Great story.


Did either of you ever play the Ogre Battle/Tactics Ogre series?  Different developer, but it's the same guy who did FFT, and it shows.  Gray and gray morality, manipulative bastards and schemes on all sides, protagonist caught up in the middle of this web of intrigue and scheming...  If you liked FFT, you owe it to yourself to give those a go.
 
2017-02-17 03:53:57 PM  

Last Man on Earth: naughtyrev: Outlawtsar: I'm gonna let y'all finish, but Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions is the best Final Fantasy of all time! OF ALL TIME!  And I still haven't beat it...20 years after it came out!

FFT is the best, frankly. I rage quit several times on it when I lost people that I'd been building up forever. Then I finally buckled down and got serious and got a stable of strong special characters and finally beat it. Great story.

Did either of you ever play the Ogre Battle/Tactics Ogre series?  Different developer, but it's the same guy who did FFT, and it shows.  Gray and gray morality, manipulative bastards and schemes on all sides, protagonist caught up in the middle of this web of intrigue and scheming...  If you liked FFT, you owe it to yourself to give those a go.


I did play Ogre Battle. Don't think I played Tactics Ogre, though. I liked OB a lot, too.
 
2017-02-17 03:54:09 PM  
Probably I, VI, and XII are my favorites, respectively.  Least favorite is XIII, and IX just never grabbed me enough to care
 
2017-02-17 03:54:47 PM  

naughtyrev: Last Man on Earth: naughtyrev: Outlawtsar: I'm gonna let y'all finish, but Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions is the best Final Fantasy of all time! OF ALL TIME!  And I still haven't beat it...20 years after it came out!

FFT is the best, frankly. I rage quit several times on it when I lost people that I'd been building up forever. Then I finally buckled down and got serious and got a stable of strong special characters and finally beat it. Great story.

Did either of you ever play the Ogre Battle/Tactics Ogre series?  Different developer, but it's the same guy who did FFT, and it shows.  Gray and gray morality, manipulative bastards and schemes on all sides, protagonist caught up in the middle of this web of intrigue and scheming...  If you liked FFT, you owe it to yourself to give those a go.

I did play Ogre Battle. Don't think I played Tactics Ogre, though. I liked OB a lot, too.


Ogre Battle (the non-tactics one) is amazing
 
2017-02-17 04:03:40 PM  
Is FF 4: The After Years worth picking up?
 
2017-02-17 04:04:24 PM  
Final Fantasy Tactics is the best, hands down.

For the numbered FFs, that honor goes to FFVI.  Well-developed characters, best villain, and had plenty of side quests that added to the characters without feeling like a slog.  Also, it had the best music.
 
2017-02-17 04:16:25 PM  
FFIV and VI  (2, 3, when I first played them) are my all time favorites. SNES was a legendary RPG platform. Tactics (PSOne, PSP and even mobile) version ranks up there for me. I didn't care for FF:TA or A2 as much.

wraith95: Is FF 4: The After Years worth picking up?


If you loved FF IV, yes, grab it in all it's glory. It literally is a "What happened after..." that tries to also universe build and loosely connects many of the other Final Fantasies during the end-game.

Otherwise, it should be a Civ 6 and For Honor weekend for me. I'll be honest, watching gameplay vids makes the For Honor combat look quite personal, intimate even, and I know I'm not as good a gamer as I used to be in my teens and twenties.
 
2017-02-17 04:28:36 PM  
Final Fantasy VI (or FF3 on the SNES back in the day).

Overrated: FF7. Fark Cloud and Sephiroth. They were just a goddamn soap opera and grind.

BTW, Hearthstone players or former ones: Make Sylvanas Windrunner or Ragnaros with your dust ASAP. They're going into wild-only play, and those with those cards (along with Azure Drake and a few others) will be fully refunded WITHOUT having to dust them when the next expansion pack comes in a month or so. So in a way it's like getting free legendaries, though only for wild play.
 
2017-02-17 04:29:56 PM  
I hum the opera song from FFVI to my children as they go to sleep. I hope that one day they find the SNES cartridge and discover the song on their own.

/Planting an easter egg for them
//GWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2017-02-17 04:34:32 PM  
Final Fantasy Legend was my first rpg ever.  Something about finding out the final boss is God, and your guys are like 'You suck as God, we're gonna kick your arse!'  stuck with me.

One of my favorite oddball FF games would be My Life As A King.  That's the only thing that made me regret sellling my wii.

Just beat Factorio, so I'm moving on to FTL this week.
 
2017-02-17 04:45:03 PM  
Dear Nintendo:
It's a goddamn travesty you allow that Crystal Chronicles and whatever that Final Fantasy rhythm game is to exist on the 3DS but there hasn't been an update of 6 since the GBA
 
2017-02-17 04:45:26 PM  
Killing bugs in Earth Defense Force 4.1.  Running an empire called Interspecies Dating Service in Stellaris.  Playing with my face in Elite Dangerous 2.3.  Wishing that The Fractured But Whole wasn't delayed.  Reminding myself to check out Dauntless (essentially Monster Hunter for PC).

And running a Gamma World (paper-and-dice RPG) adventure for some non-RPG friends.
 
2017-02-17 04:46:40 PM  

The Slush: naughtyrev: Last Man on Earth: naughtyrev: Outlawtsar: I'm gonna let y'all finish, but Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions is the best Final Fantasy of all time! OF ALL TIME!  And I still haven't beat it...20 years after it came out!

FFT is the best, frankly. I rage quit several times on it when I lost people that I'd been building up forever. Then I finally buckled down and got serious and got a stable of strong special characters and finally beat it. Great story.

Did either of you ever play the Ogre Battle/Tactics Ogre series?  Different developer, but it's the same guy who did FFT, and it shows.  Gray and gray morality, manipulative bastards and schemes on all sides, protagonist caught up in the middle of this web of intrigue and scheming...  If you liked FFT, you owe it to yourself to give those a go.

I did play Ogre Battle. Don't think I played Tactics Ogre, though. I liked OB a lot, too.

Ogre Battle (the non-tactics one) is amazing


Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen is a great game too.  Very strategic and ahead of its time with the isometric overworld (I'm surprised they never made a military RPG with those same elements)...I just wish they had gone FF style with the combat.  Ogre Battle Tactics goes without saying...if you like FFT, you'll be right at home with OBT.
 
2017-02-17 04:55:42 PM  

PirateKing: I have to admit that I always really liked FF8.

I liked the music, I liked the story, I liked the gameplay. Most of the characters were interesting, with the exception of the main guy.

it was 9 that made me stop playing. I really didn't care about any of the characters at all.


Agreed, FF8 was a neat change. I liked the fight system and it was very challenging overall.
 
2017-02-17 04:57:38 PM  
My little brother bought FFXIII, watched him play one day and the whole battle system was automated. What is the challenge in that? Instantly a deal breaker for me.
 
2017-02-17 05:03:51 PM  

Siskabush: PirateKing: I have to admit that I always really liked FF8.

I liked the music, I liked the story, I liked the gameplay. Most of the characters were interesting, with the exception of the main guy.

it was 9 that made me stop playing. I really didn't care about any of the characters at all.

Agreed, FF8 was a neat change. I liked the fight system and it was very challenging overall.


I've said it before, but FF8 suffered because it was plainly unfinished.  There was a really long, slow first half, with a lot of completely optional and easily-missed foreshadowing, then right around the midway point, there are tons and tons of abrupt expodumps and the plot kicks into overdrive all at once.  Xenogears and Chrono Cross were great (if you consider CC on its own instead of as a Chrono Trigger sequel), but they suffered from the same problem, at around the same point in the games.  Considering Squaresoft was working on all three at the same time, it's a fairly obvious result of spreading themselves too thin and running low on money.
 
2017-02-17 05:03:58 PM  
Been playing Diablo 3 Season 9 character. Feel like I've hit a wall and it's just a grind, so I'm going on to other things. My WD is regularly getting pasted on T9 GRs, I've gotten through ONE GR in the 15 minute timeframe.

So, I'm moving on in my Steam backlog and have started fooling around in Transport Fever. Don't know if it's going to hold my interest for too long. Not worried, still lots of other games in the queue.
 
2017-02-17 05:04:24 PM  
I just found the "Inappropriate operation names" mod for XCom2, my life is now complete.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=652612120&searc​h​text=lw2
 
2017-02-17 05:05:59 PM  
Still building in Fallout 4, though I have done some of the Automaton DLC.  Started blocking out what I want Spectacle Island to look like. I'm thinking an abandoned Institute installation.

i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com
 
2017-02-17 05:07:47 PM  
FFX is one of my favorite games. I tried to play 6 and 7, but I'm not at all used to the ATS system they use.
 
2017-02-17 05:19:01 PM  
The best part of Final Fantasy 7 was Fort Condor. I would absolutely buy a full-length version of that side quest.
 
2017-02-17 05:19:56 PM  
6 and 7 are my favorites.  6 was the first I really sat down and played.

Legend of Dragoon should have been 8.
 
2017-02-17 05:22:24 PM  

Last Man on Earth: Siskabush: PirateKing: I have to admit that I always really liked FF8.

I liked the music, I liked the story, I liked the gameplay. Most of the characters were interesting, with the exception of the main guy.

it was 9 that made me stop playing. I really didn't care about any of the characters at all.

Agreed, FF8 was a neat change. I liked the fight system and it was very challenging overall.

I've said it before, but FF8 suffered because it was plainly unfinished.  There was a really long, slow first half, with a lot of completely optional and easily-missed foreshadowing, then right around the midway point, there are tons and tons of abrupt expodumps and the plot kicks into overdrive all at once.  Xenogears and Chrono Cross were great (if you consider CC on its own instead of as a Chrono Trigger sequel), but they suffered from the same problem, at around the same point in the games.  Considering Squaresoft was working on all three at the same time, it's a fairly obvious result of spreading themselves too thin and running low on money.


Chrono Cross and FF8 still held together in their second halves, though. You could explore the world map (or maps in CC's case), level up and obsessively tweak your equipment (in FF8's case) and discover new side stories. Xenogears' second half was just....well, you know.
 
2017-02-17 05:29:57 PM  

skyotter: Killing bugs in Earth Defense Force 4.1.  Running an empire called Interspecies Dating Service in Stellaris.  Playing with my face in Elite Dangerous 2.3.  Wishing that The Fractured But Whole wasn't delayed.  Reminding myself to check out Dauntless (essentially Monster Hunter for PC).

And running a Gamma World (paper-and-dice RPG) adventure for some non-RPG friends.


OMG thank you for mentioning Dauntless, I have never heard of it until now and it looks great. I love me some Monster Hunter. I need to find a good deal on a new video card, this HD 6850 isn't cutting it with newer stuff.
 
2017-02-17 05:30:08 PM  

PackofJokers: Last Man on Earth: Siskabush: PirateKing: I have to admit that I always really liked FF8.

I liked the music, I liked the story, I liked the gameplay. Most of the characters were interesting, with the exception of the main guy.

it was 9 that made me stop playing. I really didn't care about any of the characters at all.

Agreed, FF8 was a neat change. I liked the fight system and it was very challenging overall.

I've said it before, but FF8 suffered because it was plainly unfinished.  There was a really long, slow first half, with a lot of completely optional and easily-missed foreshadowing, then right around the midway point, there are tons and tons of abrupt expodumps and the plot kicks into overdrive all at once.  Xenogears and Chrono Cross were great (if you consider CC on its own instead of as a Chrono Trigger sequel), but they suffered from the same problem, at around the same point in the games.  Considering Squaresoft was working on all three at the same time, it's a fairly obvious result of spreading themselves too thin and running low on money.

Chrono Cross and FF8 still held together in their second halves, though. You could explore the world map (or maps in CC's case), level up and obsessively tweak your equipment (in FF8's case) and discover new side stories. Xenogears' second half was just....well, you know.


You're not wrong.  My big complaint is more how the plots suddenly get head-twistingly convoluted and the "what the everloving fark is going on" factor shifts into overdrive.  As you say, Xenogears is the worst offender in that regard (hell of a shame, as it's one of my favorite RPGs of all time), but it happens in CC too, right around the time Harle leaves/you go to Chronopolis, and in FF8 right around the time you save Edea and hear about Ultimecia.
 
2017-02-17 05:32:30 PM  
FF Tactics and then FF VI. I still have a soft spot for VII due to playing it when I was 14, though I recognize the complaints about it. Played part of VIII and thought it sucked; it was the last FF game I played.
 
2017-02-17 05:32:32 PM  

Outlawtsar: I'm gonna let y'all finish, but Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions is the best Final Fantasy of all time! OF ALL TIME!  And I still haven't beat it...20 years after it came out!

The worst?  Mystic Quest.  It was the beginner's final fantasy made for nobody.I still remember playing it though.

6 is still the best of the numbered ones.  7 I never got around to finishing and got mad about all the shiat that required a black chocobo to get.  I think 7 turned me off of the numbered games up until 13 came out...which promptly made me realize that I was no longer the target audience for numbered FF games.

One of these days I'll finish Crisis Core on my ancient PSP...that is the most interesting one that I never played enough to get into.


Close, very close, but still wrong. Final Fantasy Tactics A2 : Grimoire of the rift was the best. Up there with Disgaea for me. The amount of content in the game is massive, and their is plenty of tricks you can use to overpower everyone. Also,I love how vibrant the graphics are.

img.fark.net
 
2017-02-17 05:40:59 PM  
I think the only one I played was 4? Not bad, but I think up to 6 they were all kinda similar. I'm surprised the formula wasn't copied more over the years. I've been aching to play a cool turn based rpg recently, but they just are put out much anymore.
 
2017-02-17 05:43:06 PM  

Don't Lag Me Bro: I think the only one I played was 4? Not bad, but I think up to 6 they were all kinda similar. I'm surprised the formula wasn't copied more over the years. I've been aching to play a cool turn based rpg recently, but they just are put out much anymore.


Trails in the Sky is really good and on Steam. It's not quite turn-based (neither are the final fantasies, for that matter), but it's close; higher speed lets you hit more and different moves have different cooldowns. I highly recommend it.
 
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