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(The Atlantic)   The biggest beneficiaries of the welfare state want to abolish the welfare state   ( theatlantic.com) divider line
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2017-02-17 08:47:00 AM  
Corporations don't want to get rid of their welfare, subby.
 
2017-02-17 09:37:58 AM  

naughtyrev: Corporations don't want to get rid of their welfare, subby.


Yeah, but Corporations don't vote...yet.
 
2017-02-17 09:45:30 AM  
While it sucks that the kids these morons have will suffer, watching their parent's heads explode when they lose their benefits will be highly educational for them.
 
2017-02-17 09:49:37 AM  
 
2017-02-17 09:54:55 AM  
Yes, but the only reason Whites require so much more welfare than minorities is that illegal immigrants have taken all their jobs, affirmative action has eliminated all of their opportunity, and nationwide attacks on the Second Amendment have removed their ability to defend themselves from crime. They basically can't even leave their homes. Once those issues are resolved, they won't need the welfare state anymore.
 
2017-02-17 10:27:07 AM  

naughtyrev: Corporations don't want to get rid of their welfare, subby.


Especially ones like Wal-Mart, that pay their employees so little that many need to apply for food stamps.
 
2017-02-17 10:35:32 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Yes, but the only reason Whites require so much more welfare than minorities is that illegal immigrants have taken all their jobs, affirmative action has eliminated all of their opportunity, and nationwide attacks on the Second Amendment have removed their ability to defend themselves from crime. They basically can't even leave their homes. Once those issues are resolved, they won't need the welfare state anymore.


It can't be easy keeping up with your work when reality is increasingly more bizarre and unhinged. My hat is off to you.
 
2017-02-17 10:59:45 AM  
They were voting to get rid of the secret special welfare the blahs get, the Cadillacs-and-Obama-phones welfare, not SNAP and the other regular-folks welfare programs.

I wonder where they got these crazy ideas?
 
2017-02-17 01:13:42 PM  
Stupid libs. You don't understand. Most of these people have a system for playing the lottery. And when they make their millions, they don't want to be paying a bunch of silly taxes to support those lazy poors.
 
2017-02-17 01:48:01 PM  
Something, something voting against one's own best interests...
 
2017-02-17 01:49:01 PM  
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2017-02-17 01:51:20 PM  
The biggest beneficiaries of the welfare state want to abolish the those people's welfare state
 
2017-02-17 01:51:37 PM  
Social assistance money and programs are wonderful and improve everything.

A kafkaesque system of rules, laws, and appointments, managed by people who have never been on social assistance and who resent their clients' needs for child care, vermin-less housing, and transit hubs...now that is an oppressive nightmare.

I sympathize with these voters. They're wrong about the solution, but I totally understand their problems.
 
2017-02-17 01:52:03 PM  

Frank N Stein: [img.fark.net image 425x456]


i66.tinypic.com
 
2017-02-17 01:52:20 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Yes, but the only reason Whites require so much more welfare than minorities is that illegal immigrants have taken all their jobs, affirmative action has eliminated all of their opportunity, and nationwide attacks on the Second Amendment have removed their ability to defend themselves from crime. They basically can't even leave their homes. Once those issues are resolved, they won't need the welfare state anymore.


I thought we were in agreement that illegal immigrants had taken all their wages.
 
2017-02-17 01:52:21 PM  

Frank N Stein: [img.fark.net image 425x456]


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2017-02-17 01:53:00 PM  
You people are so farking dumb.

They.  Vote.  Against.  You.

They vote for your union to lose bargaining power.  They vote to strip your protections.  They vote to eat up your retirement plans and pensions.  This is LITERALLY what they do, and if you pay attention beyond cheering when they say they'll let you beat up negros and latinos... they literally just march around announcing it at the top of their lungs.

Now you're walking around saying, "I thought that was just electioneering, I didn't think I'd actually get hurt."

Shut up.  You know what happens when you elect a farking Republican.  It happens EVERY farkING TIME.  Maybe you don't personally get hurt every election, but people in your area do.  People you know do.  The damage to local business and the environment trickles back to you too.

You.  Know.  What.  Happens.  You knew what was going to happen.  Don't give me this shiat about electing a Republican because you thought he was going to help you.  You have no evidence for that and frankly it hasn't happened in about 60 years.

You elected him because he got you fired up emotionally to go around breaking shiat in DC and taking piddly-totally-inconsequential-to-the-budget shiat away from "the undeserving," (who just happen to be black in your mind, but that's a coincidence).  This is what that looks like.  He will break off the levers that could be used to help you because YOU are undeserving in the minds of everyone who runs that party, and he told you as much but you were too farking stupid to listen.

Eat shiat and die.  Seriously.  Die.  You won't even have to try and follow my advice becase soon you won't have health insurance and basically every regulation that protects you will be rolled back or totally undone.

I hope that when you start losing people (and you will) you lose people close to you.  I really want you to SUFFER this time, because apparently burning yourselves over-and-over again hasn't taught you that fire is hot.  If you have to burn down your house and kill your family to learn... here's the gas.  Take it and go fark yourself.

I wrote this for another thread but it never ceases to be applicable.
 
2017-02-17 01:54:21 PM  
Just as Christ told his followers to do.
 
2017-02-17 01:54:34 PM  

Carn: Frank N Stein: [img.fark.net image 425x456]

[i66.tinypic.com image 600x400]


"Income is in no way related to welfare"

Okay.
 
2017-02-17 01:54:35 PM  
The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a liberal policy-analysis group, found that in both percentage terms and absolute numbers, federal programs reduced poverty among working-age whites without a college degree more than they did among non-college-educated Hispanics, African Americans, or members of other races, and far more than they did among college-educated adults of any race. The number of these working-age whites, in fact, exceeded the combined number of non-college-educated blacks, Hispanics, and members of other races that made such gains.

Is it me or does that feel weaselly.  The largest demographic group receives more than smaller demographic groups.... who would have thunk it.
 
2017-02-17 01:55:32 PM  

Frank N Stein: [img.fark.net image 425x456]


Ok, so that shows how there's a 3M popular vote victory.  Now do the one with states.
 
2017-02-17 01:56:23 PM  

Saiga410: The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a liberal policy-analysis group, found that in both percentage terms and absolute numbers, federal programs reduced poverty among working-age whites without a college degree more than they did among non-college-educated Hispanics, African Americans, or members of other races, and far more than they did among college-educated adults of any race. The number of these working-age whites, in fact, exceeded the combined number of non-college-educated blacks, Hispanics, and members of other races that made such gains.

Is it me or does that feel weaselly.  The largest demographic group receives more than smaller demographic groups.... who would have thunk it.


On the one hand yes, on the other hand, black and Hispanic people don't have a heroin crisis.

Admittedly, this is because the drug dealers themselves are racist and tired of getting arrested, but low-income whites have problems.
 
2017-02-17 01:56:25 PM  
Additionally, programs like SNAP and WIC help farmers and businesses.
 
2017-02-17 01:56:33 PM  
They just want to be the only beneficiaries. Their greatest dream is to collect a check without working, and they think the only thing stopping that is the existence of non-whites.
 
2017-02-17 01:57:13 PM  
They'd rather suffer, go hungry, and die early instead of admitting they're poor and unlikely to ever be better off than those poor they look down on
 
2017-02-17 01:58:05 PM  
This will all work itself out once they realize they've been duped.
 
2017-02-17 01:58:50 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Yes, but the only reason Whites require so much more welfare than minorities is that illegal immigrants have taken all their jobs, affirmative action has eliminated all of their opportunity, and nationwide attacks on the Second Amendment have removed their ability to defend themselves from crime. They basically can't even leave their homes. Once those issues are resolved, they won't need the welfare state anymore.


The sad part is I have heard each of those points made in earnest not just by regular voters but by elected officials.
 
2017-02-17 01:59:19 PM  

Frank N Stein: [img.fark.net image 425x456]


Numbers! Percentages! Colors!
 
2017-02-17 02:00:38 PM  
Well, racism is a powerful force, one that will even make people vote against their self-interest.
 
2017-02-17 02:00:44 PM  

Super_pope: You people are so farking dumb.

They.  Vote.  Against.  You.

They vote for your union to lose bargaining power.  They vote to strip your protections.  They vote to eat up your retirement plans and pensions.  This is LITERALLY what they do, and if you pay attention beyond cheering when they say they'll let you beat up negros and latinos... they literally just march around announcing it at the top of their lungs.

Now you're walking around saying, "I thought that was just electioneering, I didn't think I'd actually get hurt."

Shut up.  You know what happens when you elect a farking Republican.  It happens EVERY farkING TIME.  Maybe you don't personally get hurt every election, but people in your area do.  People you know do.  The damage to local business and the environment trickles back to you too.

You.  Know.  What.  Happens.  You knew what was going to happen.  Don't give me this shiat about electing a Republican because you thought he was going to help you.  You have no evidence for that and frankly it hasn't happened in about 60 years.

You elected him because he got you fired up emotionally to go around breaking shiat in DC and taking piddly-totally-inconsequential-to-the-budget shiat away from "the undeserving," (who just happen to be black in your mind, but that's a coincidence).  This is what that looks like.  He will break off the levers that could be used to help you because YOU are undeserving in the minds of everyone who runs that party, and he told you as much but you were too farking stupid to listen.

Eat shiat and die.  Seriously.  Die.  You won't even have to try and follow my advice becase soon you won't have health insurance and basically every regulation that protects you will be rolled back or totally undone.

I hope that when you start losing people (and you will) you lose people close to you.  I really want you to SUFFER this time, because apparently burning yourselves over-and-over again hasn't taught you that fire is hot.  If you have to ...


If you are going to be so devilishly subtle, however will be catch your meaning?
 
2017-02-17 02:01:46 PM  
When will their temporary embarrassment ever end??
 
2017-02-17 02:02:04 PM  

Frank N Stein: [img.fark.net image 425x456]


I believe the point the article is making is that the GOP base sees the most benefit from these programs in terms of helping to lift them out of poverty...which is different than the raw number of people participating in these programs.
 
2017-02-17 02:02:04 PM  

Gergesa: If you are going to be so devilishly subtle, however will be we catch your meaning?


/

drowsy
 
2017-02-17 02:02:29 PM  
I know a couple like this.  They both don't have jobs, mainly just sit around in the right-wing bubble all day and drink.  They were broke AF when Bush was president, they were broke AF when Obama was president, but somehow Trump is going to magically solve all their problems.
 
2017-02-17 02:02:56 PM  
www.quickmeme.com
 
2017-02-17 02:03:36 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Yes, but the only reason Whites require so much more welfare than minorities is that illegal immigrants have taken all their jobs, affirmative action has eliminated all of their opportunity, and nationwide attacks on the Second Amendment have removed their ability to defend themselves from crime. They basically can't even leave their homes. Once those issues are resolved, they won't need the welfare state anymore.


Those lazy freeloading whites should pull themselves up by their bootstraps and stop blaming us hardworking immigrants who come here seeking to help this nation achieve greatness.

//Not an immigrant in RL.
 
2017-02-17 02:04:34 PM  

Saiga410: The largest demographic group receives more than smaller demographic groups


Yes, exactly.  That is what logic tells you is probably true.  Not surprising to find that it is.

Unfortunately, conservatives seem to always frame welfare as a minority issue.  Consistently, angrily so.  I wonder why that is?
 
2017-02-17 02:04:47 PM  
Similarly, the CBPP found that among all adults lifted out of poverty by federal programs, whites without a college degree represented 77 percent in Iowa

Why is that number so low?
 
2017-02-17 02:06:50 PM  
These programs help white people more than non-white people?

Well by all means terminate these racist programs. Who would support such outright racism in government? Only a white supremacist would support SNAP obviously.
 
2017-02-17 02:08:20 PM  
Here's an idea - let's cut all benefits for Republicans to zero and see how that works out for them.
 
2017-02-17 02:08:52 PM  

runwiz: Additionally, programs like SNAP and WIC help farmers and businesses.


No, no, no. I've been assured on a number of occasions that farmers are the bootstrappy sort who can't stand government handing out money. The same with businesses.

Or, maybe I'm mis-remembering this. Maybe they want all the money from the feds they can get with no strings attached while condemning the poor for getting far less money.

Whatever, six of one, half dozen of the other.
 
2017-02-17 02:10:06 PM  

aaronx: They were voting to get rid of the secret special welfare the blahs get, the Cadillacs-and-Obama-phones welfare, not SNAP and the other regular-folks welfare programs.

I wonder where they got these crazy ideas?


I wish I could find it, but I believe there was a study that found that many whites believe there are in fact special programs for minorities and even illegal immigrants that "real  Americans" don't have access to.

Yet another part of the brainwashing.
 
2017-02-17 02:10:12 PM  
Super_pope: ....I hope that when you start losing people (and you will) you lose people close to you.  I really want you to SUFFER this time, because apparently burning yourselves over-and-over again hasn't taught you that fire is hot.  If you have to burn down your house and kill your family to learn... here's the gas.  Take it and go fark yourself.

I wrote this for another thread but it never ceases to be applicable.


And I love it every time you post it.
 
2017-02-17 02:10:33 PM  
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2017-02-17 02:11:20 PM  

Kome: Pocket Ninja: Yes, but the only reason Whites require so much more welfare than minorities is that illegal immigrants have taken all their jobs, affirmative action has eliminated all of their opportunity, and nationwide attacks on the Second Amendment have removed their ability to defend themselves from crime. They basically can't even leave their homes. Once those issues are resolved, they won't need the welfare state anymore.

The sad part is I have heard each of those points made in earnest not just by regular voters but by elected officials.


Illegal immigrants expand the low-skill labor supply, which lowers wages for their direct competitors.  This is a net gain, but it comes at their direct expense.

However, this can be countered with good policy, and given http://csen.tumblr.com/post/145455151989/why-housing-is-about-t​o-eat-t​he-us-economy (No seriously, read this), can probably be ignored up to a point if we get that good policy that opens up an extra million construction jobs.

Bonus, racial relations in America will dramatically improve once Jose is the guy building your house.

2) Affirmative Action actually doesn't hurt the low end much.  They're too busy getting dirty to care about diversity, and no one in power cares about the racial diversity of chicken-processing plants, groundskeeping crews, or plumbers.

Now it hurts the middle and high ends just a tad, but they don't get welfare, so...

3) Second Amendment...

Eh... the correlation on this one is weird.  To prove that guns cause homicides, you need to break out  percent black, the Southern Census region, robbery rates for some odd reason, density, and poverty levels.

And even then it doesn't add that many.

So liberals will kill way more people by sticking them in dense urban neighborhoods than they'll save by banning guns.
 
2017-02-17 02:11:50 PM  

Super_pope: You people are so farking dumb.

They.  Vote.  Against.  You.

They vote for your union to lose bargaining power.  They vote to strip your protections.  They vote to eat up your retirement plans and pensions.  This is LITERALLY what they do, and if you pay attention beyond cheering when they say they'll let you beat up negros and latinos... they literally just march around announcing it at the top of their lungs.

Now you're walking around saying, "I thought that was just electioneering, I didn't think I'd actually get hurt."

Shut up.  You know what happens when you elect a farking Republican.  It happens EVERY farkING TIME.  Maybe you don't personally get hurt every election, but people in your area do.  People you know do.  The damage to local business and the environment trickles back to you too.

You.  Know.  What.  Happens.  You knew what was going to happen.  Don't give me this shiat about electing a Republican because you thought he was going to help you.  You have no evidence for that and frankly it hasn't happened in about 60 years.

You elected him because he got you fired up emotionally to go around breaking shiat in DC and taking piddly-totally-inconsequential-to-the-budget shiat away from "the undeserving," (who just happen to be black in your mind, but that's a coincidence).  This is what that looks like.  He will break off the levers that could be used to help you because YOU are undeserving in the minds of everyone who runs that party, and he told you as much but you were too farking stupid to listen.

Eat shiat and die.  Seriously.  Die.  You won't even have to try and follow my advice becase soon you won't have health insurance and basically every regulation that protects you will be rolled back or totally undone.

I hope that when you start losing people (and you will) you lose people close to you.  I really want you to SUFFER this time, because apparently burning yourselves over-and-over again hasn't taught you that fire is hot.  If you have to burn down your house and kill your family to learn... here's the gas.  Take it and go fark yourself.

I wrote this for another thread but it never ceases to be applicable.


You want cops to die and now just people who vote against you. You sound very unpleasant.

And that's coming from a guy who supports tossing Marxists from helicopters.
 
2017-02-17 02:13:37 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: Frank N Stein: [img.fark.net image 425x456]

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www.thepoke.co.uk
 
2017-02-17 02:13:45 PM  

meyerkev: So liberals will kill way more people by sticking them in dense urban neighborhoods than they'll save by banning guns.


Is there some liberal program to round people up and stick them into dense urban neighborhoods that I haven't heard about?
 
2017-02-17 02:14:53 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: meyerkev: So liberals will kill way more people by sticking them in dense urban neighborhoods than they'll save by banning guns.

Is there some liberal program to round people up and stick them into dense urban neighborhoods that I haven't heard about?


Section 8?
 
2017-02-17 02:16:37 PM  

Konlii: Saiga410: The largest demographic group receives more than smaller demographic groups

Yes, exactly.  That is what logic tells you is probably true.  Not surprising to find that it is.

Unfortunately, conservatives seem to always frame welfare as a minority issue.  Consistently, angrily so.  I wonder why that is?


No, conservatives don't.
 
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