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(Radio Times)   The fate of Star Wars' Jar Jar Binks has been revealed and it's really depressing   ( radiotimes.com) divider line
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2017-02-17 07:56:46 AM  
...new Comms Director for Cheeto Face?
 
2017-02-17 08:02:34 AM  
*Hehe I'm going to make some joke about JarJar and the president*

elvisaintdead: ...new Comms Director for Cheeto Face?


Dammit!
 
2017-02-17 08:07:49 AM  
That article was depressing. Jar Jar wasn't disemboweled, and the rest of the Gungans survived.

/WHERE IS YOUR FORCE NOW???
 
2017-02-17 08:09:29 AM  
TFA:The new Star Wars tie-in novel Star Wars Aftermath: Empire's End reveals exactly what happened to him following the film series - and it's not pretty. Apparently, following his last onscreen appearance in Revenge of the Sith Jar Jar was shunned and ostracised by his own people, with his role in expanding the war powers of Chancellor Palpatine correctly seen as paving the way for the Empire.

Presumably thrown out of politics (he was, slightly improbably, a senator last time we saw him) Jar Jar is now reduced to performing as a clown for children on his home planet, while adults continue to shun him...

"Meesa Jar Jar," the Gungan clown identifies himself, before attempting to cheer up the displaced Mapo by making faces and explaining his own estrangement from others. "Jar Jar makin some uh-oh mistakens," he explains to the boy. "Desa hisen Naboo tink I help the uh-oh Empire."


Yeah, that is really depressing.

After so many years, that farking ear-scraping, utterly enraging, actually-pretty-farking-racist, Poochie-in-space meesa-meesa bullshiat is still being published as official Star Wars canon.
 
2017-02-17 08:21:22 AM  
The real enemy here is everyone in the prequels, from the Jedi, to the Galactic Senate, to the entire nation of Gungans, and to whoever hired him as a clown, for even giving Jar Jar a consideration.  I feel sorry for no one in this regard.
 
2017-02-17 08:26:33 AM  

pkjun: TFA:The new Star Wars tie-in novel Star Wars Aftermath: Empire's End reveals exactly what happened to him following the film series - and it's not pretty. Apparently, following his last onscreen appearance in Revenge of the Sith Jar Jar was shunned and ostracised by his own people, with his role in expanding the war powers of Chancellor Palpatine correctly seen as paving the way for the Empire.

Presumably thrown out of politics (he was, slightly improbably, a senator last time we saw him) Jar Jar is now reduced to performing as a clown for children on his home planet, while adults continue to shun him...

"Meesa Jar Jar," the Gungan clown identifies himself, before attempting to cheer up the displaced Mapo by making faces and explaining his own estrangement from others. "Jar Jar makin some uh-oh mistakens," he explains to the boy. "Desa hisen Naboo tink I help the uh-oh Empire."

Yeah, that is really depressing.

After so many years, that farking ear-scraping, utterly enraging, actually-pretty-farking-racist, Poochie-in-space meesa-meesa bullshiat is still being published as official Star Wars canon.


"Poochie"?
 
2017-02-17 08:28:10 AM  

vonmatrices: The real enemy here is everyone in the prequels, from the Jedi, to the Galactic Senate, to the entire nation of Gungans, and to whoever hired him as a clown, for even giving Jar Jar a consideration.  I feel sorry for no one in this regard.


If Lucas had had the nuts to actually pull off Sith Lord Binks, I think it would have been a much better character and arc. There's some pretty compelling, if silly and tenuous, ideas there. I like the idea that Jar Jar was the anti-Yoda, playing a silly harmless role until it was time to be serious.
 
2017-02-17 08:30:33 AM  
Rabbit-humanoid blackface
 
2017-02-17 08:30:45 AM  

PirateKing: vonmatrices: The real enemy here is everyone in the prequels, from the Jedi, to the Galactic Senate, to the entire nation of Gungans, and to whoever hired him as a clown, for even giving Jar Jar a consideration.  I feel sorry for no one in this regard.

If Lucas had had the nuts to actually pull off Sith Lord Binks, I think it would have been a much better character and arc. There's some pretty compelling, if silly and tenuous, ideas there. I like the idea that Jar Jar was the anti-Yoda, playing a silly harmless role until it was time to be serious.


If Lucas did that it would be one of the greatest coups in cinema history.  More likely the character was created to entertain children for the kids movie no one wanted.
 
2017-02-17 08:31:21 AM  
Jar Jar then stares poignantly into the middle distance, which is not a sentence I expected to be writing today

OK, that got a laugh out of me. But otherwise, I don't think anyone cares what happened to Jar Jar either way. Certianly not enough to be "depressed" over.

Well, unless he became a Sith anti-Yoda.
 
2017-02-17 08:31:35 AM  
Or you can just ignore the reboot and go with his original fate in Star Wars before the 2014 reboot. . .

. . .frozen in carbonite and kept on a wall on in the office of Captain Ozzik Sturn on Kashyyyk (from The Force Unleashed).

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2017-02-17 08:34:15 AM  
Seems completely within character for Palpatine to have had the entire Gungan race either enslaved or wiped out for interfering with his plans in Episode 1. He still got what he wanted, but it was still enough of a bump in the road for a Sith lord to not just forgive and forget.

Personally, I would have found it more depressing if he had ended up king (though probably more true to real life) despite being a total screw up.
 
2017-02-17 08:42:45 AM  
I never understood the Jar Jar hate since there's so many other reasons to hate the Phantom Menace movie.
 
2017-02-17 08:42:53 AM  
Clone Trooper: "He's probably gonna get himself killed."
Clone Commander Stone: "Don't worry. He's smarter than he looks."
(Clone Wars season 4 "The Gungan General")

Whoever has been making the decisions on the writing within canon has had, since the prequels, a decidedly more sympathetic view on Jar Jar. He's still bumbling his way to a single-handed victory in the scene with the above quote, though.
So, are new books actually canon or EU fan fiction, these days?
 
2017-02-17 08:43:55 AM  
I've always liked the Sith fan theory. The clown-that's-really-a-monster shtick is always fun.
 
2017-02-17 08:44:15 AM  
Really they should have had him die when Starkiller base wiped out that system.
 
2017-02-17 08:46:56 AM  

PirateKing: vonmatrices: The real enemy here is everyone in the prequels, from the Jedi, to the Galactic Senate, to the entire nation of Gungans, and to whoever hired him as a clown, for even giving Jar Jar a consideration.  I feel sorry for no one in this regard.

If Lucas had had the nuts to actually pull off Sith Lord Binks, I think it would have been a much better character and arc. There's some pretty compelling, if silly and tenuous, ideas there. I like the idea that Jar Jar was the anti-Yoda, playing a silly harmless role until it was time to be serious.


He would have had to drop a couple of hints in the first film; those "Is Jar Jar Evil" videos come across as more conspiracy theory stuff than sequel hooks. It's a compelling idea, but there it rests. It should also be noted that his relative absence from the second and third films did not noticeably improve them; it just made them a bit quieter. In fact, since Jar Jar was the only interesting character, it actually made them less memorable.

Not a big fan of Watto, either, if you want the truth...
 
2017-02-17 08:47:21 AM  
Jar-Jar is Rey's mother?
 
2017-02-17 08:50:13 AM  

Silverstaff: Or you can just ignore the reboot and go with his original fate in Star Wars before the 2014 reboot. . .

. . .frozen in carbonite and kept on a wall on in the office of Captain Ozzik Sturn on Kashyyyk (from The Force Unleashed).

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I'm sure that can still be canon.
 
2017-02-17 08:52:17 AM  

GentlemanJ: "Poochie"?


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/Note: Jar Jar Poochie dies on his way back to his home planet
 
2017-02-17 08:55:54 AM  

Pinko_Commie: GentlemanJ: "Poochie"?

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/Note: Jar Jar Poochie dies on his way back to his home planet


Dogdamnit...
 
2017-02-17 08:59:14 AM  
It's an annoying fictional character, so badly implemented I don't even feel sorry.
 
2017-02-17 09:01:24 AM  

GentlemanJ: pkjun: After so many years, that farking ear-scraping, utterly enraging, actually-pretty-farking-racist, Poochie-in-space meesa-meesa bullshiat is still being published as official Star Wars canon.

"Poochie"?


Poochie.

vonmatrices: PirateKing: vonmatrices: The real enemy here is everyone in the prequels, from the Jedi, to the Galactic Senate, to the entire nation of Gungans, and to whoever hired him as a clown, for even giving Jar Jar a consideration.  I feel sorry for no one in this regard.

If Lucas had had the nuts to actually pull off Sith Lord Binks, I think it would have been a much better character and arc. There's some pretty compelling, if silly and tenuous, ideas there. I like the idea that Jar Jar was the anti-Yoda, playing a silly harmless role until it was time to be serious.

If Lucas did that it would be one of the greatest coups in cinema history.  More likely the character was created to entertain children for the kids movie no one wanted.


I like the Darth Jar Jar theory, but, like, no. The Phantom Menace was a structural mess. I don't need to start quoting the famous Red Letter Media takedown, but it failed to uphold any sort of compelling narrative structure simply by itself. As a trilogy, too, the prequels don't really gel. The entire first movie is an unnecessary appendage to the other two, serving no particular purpose and offering no particular backstory or character motivation that isn't implicit in the second. Anakin's "fall" in the third is a mess; his clumsily-sketched rage and jealousy don't actually factor into his decision to become Darth Vader, which according to the text of the film is entirely predicated on some bad dreams and some conversations about secret knowledge he had earlier in the same movie.

Even at the moment that he's supposedly been building towards for three entire movies, Lucas couldn't decide whether Anakin's "fall" was supposed to be a classically tragic outgrowth of preexisting character traits, whether it's a noble but misguided Luciferian sacrifice of his own soul to protect his beloved wife's, or whether it's a simple hoodwink by a scheming liar. Like most things in the prequels, it's unnecessarily convoluted and unforgivably clumsy.  It simply isn't believable that George Lucas would have had the foresight, the consistency, and the artistic discipline to pull off the Darth Jar Jar thing.
 
2017-02-17 09:04:28 AM  
It is documented for years that I've asserted Jar Jars End looks exactly like the end of Godfather III
 
2017-02-17 09:05:42 AM  

thesharkman: I never understood the Jar Jar hate since there's so many other reasons to hate the Phantom Menace movie.


So you just skipped the other two prequels, then?  Because heesa was insa themsa toodle-too, dude.
 
2017-02-17 09:06:22 AM  
Heh.
"Jar Jar makin some uh-oh mistakens," he explains to the boy. "Desa hisen Naboo tink I help the uh-oh Empire." Jar Jar then stares poignantly into the middle distance, which is not a sentence I expected to be writing today.
 
2017-02-17 09:10:41 AM  
At least they did him the dignity of leaving out the alcoholism-motivated, autoerotic asphyxiation habit of his.
 
2017-02-17 09:12:19 AM  

sno man: So, are new books actually canon or EU fan fiction, these days?


Anything published after the 2014 Expanded Universe purge (including the Aftermath trilogy) is considered canon by Disney/The star Wars Story Group unless they declare it as "Legends" (which I think is the case for The Old Republic MMO and the miniatures games)
 
2017-02-17 09:13:29 AM  

devine: Jar-Jar is Rey's mother?


Just wait for the birth scene...
 
2017-02-17 09:18:45 AM  

LucklessWonder: sno man: So, are new books actually canon or EU fan fiction, these days?

Anything published after the 2014 Expanded Universe purge (including the Aftermath trilogy) is considered canon by Disney/The star Wars Story Group unless they declare it as "Legends" (which I think is the case for The Old Republic MMO and the miniatures games)


Thanks, somehow missed the details along the way.
 
2017-02-17 09:21:42 AM  

thesharkman: I never understood the Jar Jar hate since there's so many other reasons to hate the Phantom Menace movie.


What?  Put Jar-Jar in ANY movie and he would still deserve the hate.
 
2017-02-17 09:26:53 AM  
I had always hoped that I could find him doing a cameo in this scene.

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2017-02-17 09:29:35 AM  

thesharkman: I never understood the Jar Jar hate since there's so many other reasons to hate the Phantom Menace movie.


When The Force Awakens came out, I went to watch the prequels again. "It can't be as bad as you remember" I told myself... and I was right, it was worse. At least the first time I saw it, there was the excitement of it being a new Star Wars movie to sustain me. I made it about 45 minutes before I thought "Why am I wasting my time on this crap?!" and turned it off.
 
2017-02-17 09:34:09 AM  
Well he was still alive so that's bad.
 
2017-02-17 09:36:57 AM  

miscreant: thesharkman: I never understood the Jar Jar hate since there's so many other reasons to hate the Phantom Menace movie.

When The Force Awakens came out, I went to watch the prequels again. "It can't be as bad as you remember" I told myself... and I was right, it was worse. At least the first time I saw it, there was the excitement of it being a new Star Wars movie to sustain me. I made it about 45 minutes before I thought "Why am I wasting my time on this crap?!" and turned it off.


No.

The prequels were good movies, unfairly maligned.  They presented a good opening to the Star Wars saga and when taken together, the 6 movies tell a good story arc.  After 16 years of anticipation people wanted so much from TPM that no movie would have satisfied them. . .and people now parrot that it's bad because it's hip to do so.  Funny thing is, I don't remember people shouting about how bad it was for YEARS after it came out, then suddenly it became cool to hate the prequels.

That sequel reboot movie that came out in 2015?  Dumpster fire disgrace to Star Wars that was a bad remake of A New Hope redone with a lame copy of Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus as the villain, complete character assassination of Luke & Han, a plotline that was a giant insult to the entire original trilogy, and a pale and pathetic imitation of the original post-RotJ Star Wars saga, complete with sensory-overload overdone special effects and plot holes you could fly a Death Star-knockoff through.

If you want a GOOD post-RotJ story, stick with the original Star Wars saga, the one George Lucas actually endorsed (instead of denounced, like he's denounced the Disney reboot), now rebranded as "Legends".  Some of the best works there would include the Thrawn Trilogy, the Jedi Academy Trilogy, and the Hand of Thrawn Duology, but the Dark Empire saga, Truce at Bakura, and the X-Wing Series were also good entries.
 
2017-02-17 09:41:00 AM  
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2017-02-17 09:44:14 AM  
 
2017-02-17 09:45:33 AM  

Silverstaff: Thrawn Trilogy


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2017-02-17 09:51:17 AM  

KingBiefWhistle: Silverstaff: Thrawn Trilogy

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A #1 New York Times bestselling book (Heir to the Empire), and the other 2 in the trilogy making it to the top 10.

The only Star Wars book to EVER be a #1 NYT bestseller.  

You can treat it like a joke, but there's a reason that on Amazon it still outsells the various reboot books that were only released in the last couple of years.  It's been out for 26 years. . .with no hype and no marketing, and still outsells the heavily hyped, heavily marketed post-2014 reboot books.

For all the marketing hype on the post-2014 reboot, the actual films/games/books ect. made as part of it have been very lame.
 
2017-02-17 09:51:58 AM  

Silverstaff: miscreant: thesharkman: I never understood the Jar Jar hate since there's so many other reasons to hate the Phantom Menace movie.

When The Force Awakens came out, I went to watch the prequels again. "It can't be as bad as you remember" I told myself... and I was right, it was worse. At least the first time I saw it, there was the excitement of it being a new Star Wars movie to sustain me. I made it about 45 minutes before I thought "Why am I wasting my time on this crap?!" and turned it off.

No.

The prequels were good movies, unfairly maligned.  They presented a good opening to the Star Wars saga and when taken together, the 6 movies tell a good story arc.  After 16 years of anticipation people wanted so much from TPM that no movie would have satisfied them. . .and people now parrot that it's bad because it's hip to do so.  Funny thing is, I don't remember people shouting about how bad it was for YEARS after it came out, then suddenly it became cool to hate the prequels.

That sequel reboot movie that came out in 2015?  Dumpster fire disgrace to Star Wars that was a bad remake of A New Hope redone with a lame copy of Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus as the villain, complete character assassination of Luke & Han, a plotline that was a giant insult to the entire original trilogy, and a pale and pathetic imitation of the original post-RotJ Star Wars saga, complete with sensory-overload overdone special effects and plot holes you could fly a Death Star-knockoff through.

If you want a GOOD post-RotJ story, stick with the original Star Wars saga, the one George Lucas actually endorsed (instead of denounced, like he's denounced the Disney reboot), now rebranded as "Legends".  Some of the best works there would include the Thrawn Trilogy, the Jedi Academy Trilogy, and the Hand of Thrawn Duology, but the Dark Empire saga, Truce at Bakura, and the X-Wing Series were also good entries.



So basically, you like the youth-targeted sci-fi stuff that came out when you were a kid and a teenager, and don't like the youth-targeted sci-fi stuff that came out when you were a fully-grown adult.
 
2017-02-17 09:52:44 AM  

pkjun: I like the Darth Jar Jar theory, but, like, no. The Phantom Menace was a structural mess. I don't need to start quoting the famous Red Letter Media takedown, but it failed to uphold any sort of compelling narrative structure simply by itself. As a trilogy, too, the prequels don't really gel. The entire first movie is an unnecessary appendage to the other two, serving no particular purpose and offering no particular backstory or character motivation that isn't implicit in the second. Anakin's "fall" in the third is a mess; his clumsily-sketched rage and jealousy don't actually factor into his decision to become Darth Vader, which according to the text of the film is entirely predicated on some bad dreams and some conversations about secret knowledge he had earlier in the same movie.

Even at the moment that he's supposedly been building towards for three entire movies, Lucas couldn't decide whether Anakin's "fall" was supposed to be a classically tragic outgrowth of preexisting character traits, whether it's a noble but misguided Luciferian sacrifice of his own soul to protect his beloved wife's, or whether it's a simple hoodwink by a scheming liar. Like most things in the prequels, it's unnecessarily convoluted and unforgivably clumsy. It simply isn't believable that George Lucas would have had the foresight, the consistency, and the artistic discipline to pull off the Darth Jar Jar thing.


Not to mention the only reason we got a prequel series is because Lucas was jealous of James Cameron and wanted to show he was still a creative person instead of just a tech guy.  Also, it's funny how the Phantom Menace doesn't gel.  If Lucas hadn't bothered with the bullshiat chapter numbering, he could have just written as many movies as he wanted and maybe even had the downfall of Skywalker into Vader without feeling the need to make it into its own bullshiat trilogy.   It's really obvious when you got to Attack of the Clones that the 'he becomes Darth Vader' story really can't fill a trilogy or even a single movie.

Also, I think Jar Jar deserved a more violent end.  Like maybe his entire race is wiped out and he's the only one left and ends up being target practice for stormtroopers.   Somehow making Jar Jar's eventual end being the sole thing stormtroopers can hit with unerring accuracy ala Peter Weller from Robocop is poetic and fitting.  Having him be a mournful clown is just downright stupid.
 
2017-02-17 09:55:21 AM  
The most depressing part of the article is that jar jar lives.
 
2017-02-17 09:55:28 AM  
If you are going to make him a clown do a full rip of The Day the Clown Cried.

Me personally I would have written it as the whole drugs/prostitution route.
 
2017-02-17 09:56:07 AM  

Silverstaff: The prequels were good movies, unfairly maligned.


No.  No. No. No.  No.  No?  No.  No... no no no No no.... no NONONO no no NO no no NOOO

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Dude, I remember right after the Phantom Menace came out that there was tons of backlash.  Jar Jar and Midichlorians were at the top of the list.  I remember directly ripping on Episode 2.  Anakin's slaughter of the sand people and Padme just kinda being like - ok, your psycho but I still love you I guess? Those two are so bad I never have even SEEN the final prequel movie, which I am told is the best of the three actually.

The original extended universe had good stories and IP.  The Force Awakens was pretty stupid but "fun".

However, don't pretend that there wasn't huge backlash against Episodes 1 and 2 (less so for 3) when they came out.  That's irresponsible.
 
2017-02-17 10:01:03 AM  
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"He can dance for the children."
 
2017-02-17 10:13:54 AM  

vonmatrices: Silverstaff: The prequels were good movies, unfairly maligned.

No.  No. No. No.  No.  No?  No.  No... no no no No no.... no NONONO no no NO no no NOOO

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Dude, I remember right after the Phantom Menace came out that there was tons of backlash.  Jar Jar and Midichlorians were at the top of the list.  I remember directly ripping on Episode 2.  Anakin's slaughter of the sand people and Padme just kinda being like - ok, your psycho but I still love you I guess? Those two are so bad I never have even SEEN the final prequel movie, which I am told is the best of the three actually.


It's kinda crazy that you reference Vader's "Big No" but haven't actually seen the movie where he does it.
 
2017-02-17 10:14:57 AM  

pkjun: It's kinda crazy that you reference Vader's "Big No" but haven't actually seen the movie where he does it.


I know, right?
 
2017-02-17 10:16:41 AM  

vonmatrices: Dude, I remember right after the Phantom Menace came out that there was tons of backlash.  Jar Jar and Midichlorians were at the top of the list.  I remember directly ripping on Episode 2.  Anakin's slaughter of the sand people and Padme just kinda being like - ok, your psycho but I still love you I guess? Those two are so bad I never have even SEEN the final prequel movie, which I am told is the best of the three actually.


It's not, and I will never understand the praise it receives from some around here. The circumstances around Anakin's fall were utter nonsense, at least half of the dialog was even worse than Episode II, the epic lightsaber duel that existed in Lucas' mind since 1974 was extremely dull outside of its backdrop, and new mother Padme died because she was sad about Anakin.

I, II, and III all exist at the same level. And that level is somewhere well below the original films, the modern cartoons, the new films, the made-for-TV Ewok movies, the 1980s cartoons, the Holiday Special and the commercials for C-3POs cereal.
 
2017-02-17 10:19:05 AM  

vonmatrices: pkjun: It's kinda crazy that you reference Vader's "Big No" but haven't actually seen the movie where he does it.

I know, right?


That image has been all over the internet for years.  It's not that incredulous.

I have seen the movie, and it's....ok.
 
2017-02-17 10:21:13 AM  

vonmatrices: Silverstaff: The prequels were good movies, unfairly maligned.

No.  No. No. No.  No.  No?  No.  No... no no no No no.... no NONONO no no NO no no NOOO

[img.fark.net image 271x186]

Dude, I remember right after the Phantom Menace came out that there was tons of backlash.  Jar Jar and Midichlorians were at the top of the list.  I remember directly ripping on Episode 2.  Anakin's slaughter of the sand people and Padme just kinda being like - ok, your psycho but I still love you I guess? Those two are so bad I never have even SEEN the final prequel movie, which I am told is the best of the three actually.

The original extended universe had good stories and IP.  The Force Awakens was pretty stupid but "fun".

However, don't pretend that there wasn't huge backlash against Episodes 1 and 2 (less so for 3) when they came out.  That's irresponsible.


Rogue One was all the prequel you needed, then?
You could actually make a solid case for that.
<disclaimer>Never got into the EU much, but I'm a big fan of what is considered canon, including Clone Wars and Rebels</disclaimer>
Even with all their faults, of which there are many, the prequels aren't all that much worse than the original trilogy. V & VI were not really considered until Star Wars was in the can, and it shows on repeated viewings. AND by VI, marketing decisions were taking priority over the story. Clone Wars really helped fill out the back stories in and through I thru III and Rebels helps get III to IV.
 
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