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(AP)   Are you poor, old, or a minority? Do you also need work done on your teeth? Instead of seeing a dentist, you might have to see a less-educated "dental therapist." Hope you like applesauce and jello   ( hosted.ap.org) divider line
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2017-02-16 04:10:24 PM  
I was at the dentist here (PA) on Monday, and they're working in addition to the dentist. Things like prepping for a cap after the dentist drills, and doing the impressions for caps. The dentist does inspect the work. Not enough folks completing dental school, I was told.
 
2017-02-16 05:10:34 PM  

lindalouwho: I was at the dentist here (PA) on Monday, and they're working in addition to the dentist. Things like prepping for a cap after the dentist drills, and doing the impressions for caps. The dentist does inspect the work. Not enough folks completing dental school, I was told.


Luckily the Republicans are in power and education and healthcare will improve
 
2017-02-16 06:04:04 PM  
The rest of my upper right molar fell out the other night at dinner, so I'm getting a kick out of not having dental coverage.
 
2017-02-16 06:09:30 PM  
If the dental therapist sticks to procedures they're trained for and comfortable with, referring patients to endodontists, periodontists, and maxillofacial surgeons when they encounter issues, I'm fine with it.

There is already a hierarchy when it comes to oral care professionals.  I don't see a problem with adding another level if some communities are unable to attract full blown dentists.
 
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2017-02-16 06:30:54 PM  
It's better than what they get now.  Hopefully, it would be something like a Nurse-Practitioner.
 
2017-02-16 06:54:04 PM  
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Tucker doesn't need Novocaine.
 
2017-02-16 06:55:38 PM  

doglover: lindalouwho: I was at the dentist here (PA) on Monday, and they're working in addition to the dentist. Things like prepping for a cap after the dentist drills, and doing the impressions for caps. The dentist does inspect the work. Not enough folks completing dental school, I was told.

Luckily the Republicans are in power and education and healthcare will improve


Not likely you need an advanced degree and lengthy residency to do something that lesser-trained people have been doing successfully for centuries.
 
2017-02-16 06:56:16 PM  
I'm amazed at the kind of people that get paid to use a tattoo gun.
 
2017-02-16 06:56:51 PM  
Dental Hygienist schools need victims volunteers as well....
 
2017-02-16 07:02:36 PM  
The dental society in Arizona has been fighting this for years. Their biggest concern is the tribal areas approving the use of dental therapists, having it succeed, the Arizona Legislature catching wind and approving dental therapists.
As a dentist on the Navajo Nation, I'm pretty torn. We could certainly use the help up here, but the training is questionable. I'm not sure I could delegate my job to someone not trained to deal with every situation that arises from working on humans.
This sounds horrible, but I couldn't give less of a shiat about the financial impact this has on private practices around the state.
 
2017-02-16 07:04:18 PM  
Fogarty, a dental hygienist for 13 years before training to become a dental therapist, said her work includes fillings, temporary crowns and extractions. She regularly provides care in schools, Head Start centers and other community settings without a dentist physically present.

I'd be completely ok with this person doing my fillings.  I've been to regular dentists that were incompetent sadists.  She actually sounds much better.
 
2017-02-16 07:05:24 PM  
Jeez, and here I was thinking the WHITES ONLY sign outside my dentist was talking about enamel
 
2017-02-16 07:05:57 PM  

lindalouwho: I was at the dentist here (PA) on Monday, and they're working in addition to the dentist. Things like prepping for a cap after the dentist drills, and doing the impressions for caps. The dentist does inspect the work. Not enough folks completing dental school, I was told.


I had an old-school dentist who did all his own work. Price of admission was listening to his right-wing grumbling as a captive audience.
 
2017-02-16 07:08:24 PM  

iheartscotch: Dental Hygienist schools need victims volunteers as well....


So do the DDS schools - like the one here in Indy.  $200 all up for an implant?  Where do I sign?
 
2017-02-16 07:13:22 PM  
As an optometrist I watch, holding my breath
 
2017-02-16 07:18:24 PM  
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2017-02-16 07:18:54 PM  
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/  Get in the farking sack.
 
2017-02-16 07:20:40 PM  
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2017-02-16 07:25:08 PM  

fusillade762: The rest of my upper right molar fell out the other night at dinner, so I'm getting a kick out of not having dental coverage.


I get paid as a contractor, so a small pile every so often.  The last three times I've been paid I've needed a new crown.  I feel your tooth pain, bruh.
 
2017-02-16 07:27:16 PM  

GoldSpider: lindalouwho: I was at the dentist here (PA) on Monday, and they're working in addition to the dentist. Things like prepping for a cap after the dentist drills, and doing the impressions for caps. The dentist does inspect the work. Not enough folks completing dental school, I was told.

I had an old-school dentist who did all his own work. Price of admission was listening to his right-wing grumbling as a captive audience.


Yeah, my dentist has Faux News on the TV.  But he does a good job, and since he doesn't feel the need to numb me when doing a simple filling (drilling a tooth is completely painless unless you hit the root) he's really quick.

But yeah, some dental procedures are very simple.  As long as they're not doing root canals, it's probably fine.
 
2017-02-16 07:30:39 PM  

dionysusaur: iheartscotch: Dental Hygienist schools need victims volunteers as well....

So do the DDS schools - like the one here in Indy.  $200 all up for an implant?  Where do I sign?


It's too bad we can't do this for Paramedic programs.
 
2017-02-16 07:31:32 PM  
Hey, why not? After all, we're letting the nurse practitioners do everything now. Who needs those pesky, expensive, time consuming doctorates anyway!?
 
2017-02-16 07:32:02 PM  

GoldSpider: lindalouwho: I was at the dentist here (PA) on Monday, and they're working in addition to the dentist. Things like prepping for a cap after the dentist drills, and doing the impressions for caps. The dentist does inspect the work. Not enough folks completing dental school, I was told.

I had an old-school dentist who did all his own work. Price of admission was listening to his right-wing grumbling as a captive audience.


My old dentist committed suicide last year :( He was laid back and sounded just like Mr.Rogers.
 
2017-02-16 07:33:27 PM  
Where does this put them in the hierarchy with Dental Assistants, Dental Hygienists, and Dentists?  I recently had crown work done and half of it was done by the former.  They did a great job too.

/dnrtfa
 
2017-02-16 07:33:52 PM  

The Lurker at Your Threshold: Hey, why not? After all, we're letting the nurse practitioners do everything now. Who needs those pesky, expensive, time consuming doctorates anyway!?


Except nurse practitioners are pretty damn cost effective at management of chronic conditions and as physician extenders in specialty fields.

A Dental Assistant doesn't have near the level of training, even focused, as a Dentist does.
 
2017-02-16 07:38:06 PM  

The Lurker at Your Threshold: Hey, why not? After all, we're letting the nurse practitioners do everything now. Who needs those pesky, expensive, time consuming doctorates anyway!?


Anything to relieve the burden on their time is a good move.

Those lions aren't going to kill themselves.
 
2017-02-16 07:39:12 PM  

lindalouwho: GoldSpider: lindalouwho: I was at the dentist here (PA) on Monday, and they're working in addition to the dentist. Things like prepping for a cap after the dentist drills, and doing the impressions for caps. The dentist does inspect the work. Not enough folks completing dental school, I was told.

I had an old-school dentist who did all his own work. Price of admission was listening to his right-wing grumbling as a captive audience.

My old dentist committed suicide last year :( He was laid back and sounded just like Mr.Rogers.


Mine disappeared out of thin air (from my perspective anyway) last August/September.  Checked google and saw "closed permanently" with no phone call or way to get my records.
 
2017-02-16 07:41:35 PM  
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2017-02-16 07:47:25 PM  
Cataholic:

All you really need is pliers and testicular fortitude and you can do all your own dental work.

Make yourself false teeth out of stones a d metal! What could go wrong?
 
2017-02-16 07:52:59 PM  
Not dentists but Nova Scotia allows pharmacists with some extra training do some basic primary care (give vaccinations for example) and it's worked out OK.  If the rules about who does what and when they are to refer their patient to an expert are sane and clear it might work.  My dentist's assistant does the majority of the hands on work as it is now.
 
2017-02-16 07:54:01 PM  

hardinparamedic: The Lurker at Your Threshold: Hey, why not? After all, we're letting the nurse practitioners do everything now. Who needs those pesky, expensive, time consuming doctorates anyway!?

Except nurse practitioners are pretty damn cost effective at management of chronic conditions and as physician extenders in specialty fields.

A Dental Assistant doesn't have near the level of training, even focused, as a Dentist does.


Problem is that a whole lot of providers are seeing them as a viable cost-saving replacement for doctors, which they are not.

A NP working in conjunction with a MD is fantastic. A NP working in the place of an MD is no bueno.
 
2017-02-16 07:59:31 PM  
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2017-02-16 08:02:04 PM  

iheartscotch: Dental Hygienist schools need victims volunteers as well....


DubyaHater: As a dentist on the Navajo Nation,


Don't usually choose to self-reveal but when I attended NAU I was a frequent "victim" of their dental hygiene program. I actually thought it was a lot of fun. It taught me a lot about dentistry I didn't know but the real cool part was watching the students grow. I remember when my "student dentist" came back from a trip to the Navajo nation. She jokingly told me to leave and not come back. She said, 'I thought you had bad teeth and then I went out there and saw what real bad teeth are like. Why are you even here?"

It might sound strange but I actually miss the experience. Sure it took much longer but I felt like I was treated as a human being as a volunteer rather than a middleman between the dentist and his insurance payment.
 
2017-02-16 08:15:50 PM  
In maybe 20 years, a robot will be pulling your teeth because your insurance company demands it.Maybe less.

Get in the chair citizen ----- bzz bzzz ---- What do you think of President Kayne --bzz bzzzzz
 
2017-02-16 08:23:50 PM  
At the Donald J. Trump Dentalological Institute, you'll be seen by really, really terrific specialists. Don't let the teardrop and neck tattoos fool you -- these are some of the very best people, hand picked by President Trump from only the top prison dental clinics in New York.

And remember our motto: "chewing is overrated!"
 
2017-02-16 08:24:46 PM  
So? They're like a Nurse Practitioner.

The government and physicians had a problem with them towards the end of the Vietnam war. All of these highly trained battlefield medical personnel were coming home with a vast knowledge of emergency medical care and essentially being told to get a degree or sweep the floors.

Eventually, all but one service version of a Battlefield Medic was allowed to operate as semi-professionals in the medical field. For some reason the Naval (or was it Airforce) versions were banned. They could be arrested in various states for stopping at an accident and rendering medical assistance and their experience meant nothing. I think they're accepted now.

Most ER's that I know of, if you arrive with an abcessed tooth that feels like someone is ramming hot nails up into your jaw, will do nothing but gibe you antibiotics, a prescription for the high level version of an OTC pain medication (which you can buy at less cost in the regular dosage and just increase the dose) and send you home, telling you to see a dentist.

A lot of people with no dental insurance, insufficient funds an or no money basically died from bad teeth.

A severely infected tooth can cause the infection to get into the blood stream, where it gets to the heart. It can also wander through your skull and blow the bone out in various places along your face, especially under the eyes.

Meaning, if you manage to get to the ER again, they'll admit you and spend about $50,000 and up to save you life, when for around $2000, they could have popped the tooth out and ended the mess before it began.

No ER that I know of even has a dentist on call or staff.

That is one of the reason that so many garage dentists are popping up especially in the Cuban communities and spreading to other low income areas.

Medicare does NOT provide even the very basic of dental care. Medicare provides the basic, but barely so. It's like the creators of these programs did not care if you could not eat, were in constant pain, had nearly constant serious oral infections, which would affect the rest of your health and wind up costing them tremendously more to cure it all up in the long run. Like when a dental abscess gave you a heart attack, ulcers and weakened your immune system.

You can go to public health and they'll fix it for a low fee. However, the care is basic. The recovery tends to be painful. (Not real big on prescribing any good pain killers.) and if they remove most of or all of your teeth, it's up to you to fight to find a dentist who will make you dentures. (Cheapest I know of are $300. They might last two or three years.)

So a licensed dental practitioner could be the savior to hundreds of thousands of people with bad teeth.

When I was a kid, it was $10 to pull a tooth. Now, it's around $100. Some dentists no loner pull teeth. They'll do a root canal instead, costing you about $750 and up and will maybe last 5 to 10 years. Implants start at $1200 per tooth.

BTW, our congressmen who stipulate what services these programs will provide get free dental care. That's why they have million dollar smiles and can happily crunch their way through the most crisp of luxury meals. They don't actually care if you peons can only eat bread soaked in milk.
 
2017-02-16 08:27:03 PM  
Don't forget that all this extra water is still a sign of a drought brought on by global warming.

::snerk::
 
2017-02-16 08:57:36 PM  

doglover: lindalouwho: I was at the dentist here (PA) on Monday, and they're working in addition to the dentist. Things like prepping for a cap after the dentist drills, and doing the impressions for caps. The dentist does inspect the work. Not enough folks completing dental school, I was told.

Luckily the Republicans are in power and education and healthcare will improve


There are about 10k practicing primary care doctors in the United States and about 100k dentists (about 8k are orthodontists). It's interesting that there's 10 dentists for every primary care physician, but only about 50-60% of Americans have dental insurance...
 
2017-02-16 09:01:40 PM  
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2017-02-16 09:19:46 PM  

assalon5: In maybe 20 years, a robot will be pulling your teeth because your insurance company demands it.Maybe less.

Get in the chair citizen ----- bzz bzzz ---- What do you think of President Kayne Kanye --bzz bzzzzz

 
2017-02-16 09:41:36 PM  
Use the Brush, Luke! Let go and just use the Brush!
 
2017-02-16 10:38:15 PM  
Better dental therapist than dental rapists.
 
2017-02-16 11:32:45 PM  
Trumpers can do their own teeth. they don't need you libtards.
 
2017-02-17 12:17:00 AM  

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Finally!

/lunch?
 
2017-02-17 12:44:19 AM  
My sister (who is a rather respected dentist in her city) advised me to never have a dental student do anything beyond checking my teeth.

"Dental school is where you make your mistakes. Sometimes you look back and think: 'Yeesh, I shouldn't have done that!'"
 
2017-02-17 04:41:32 AM  
For those of you who voted against dental coverage for "the poors", I'd like to thank you for the tooth infection that almost took my life.

The doctor had to get our story straight, so he could legally save my life; the infection which had reached my brain was NOT a dental abscess... he had to instruct me in how to lie, so that he could prescribe me antibiotics which, to reiterate, were NOT related to any dental problems.

Now excuse me, I have to sit on my ass for an extra eight hours a day, because you cheap pieces of shiat consider structural issues with the feet and legs to be "cosmetic".
 
2017-02-17 06:16:34 AM  

assalon5: In maybe 20 years, a robot will be pulling your teeth because your insurance company demands it.Maybe less.

Get in the chair citizen ----- bzz bzzz ---- What do you think of President Kayne --bzz bzzzzz


I read this morning that he's actively attempting to distance himself from Trump now. Deleted all the pro Trump stuff on his twitter feed, and hired a Muslim model for his fashion week show, who went down the runway in a hijab.
 
2017-02-17 07:48:22 AM  
This is what I need to do today, and I'm thinking it is likely for the same reason:

 
2017-02-17 08:32:19 AM  
Whole bunch of anti-dentites in this thread
 
2017-02-17 12:11:50 PM  
Is this the guy whos office is right next to the 'plastic surgeon' that injected concrete into a woman's ass?
 
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