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2004-05-06 03:48:02 PM  
I wouldn't say I'm sorry for shiat. I haven't heard a "sorry" from Fallujah for draggin our men through the streets, and hanging them from a bridge.

How about this? I'm sorry that I have to turn your country into a sheet of glowing green glass? Oh well, off to dinner!
 
2004-05-06 03:48:07 PM  
That's right:

Bush is one sorry leader.
 
2004-05-06 03:48:21 PM  
seymour hersh has been one of my favorite writers for a long time. he's a sharp guy.

and bush apologizing reminds me of that happy days episode where fonzie apologizes... you know, the fonz don't apologize for nothin'.
 
2004-05-06 03:48:29 PM  
ShootTheMoon
Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. It's called an eye for an eye, which is even spoken of in the bible.

In the Old Testament. In the second part there's some hippy dude that talks about loving each other unconditionally turning the other cheek.
 
2004-05-06 03:48:39 PM  
Coming soon, Gena Lee Nolin Iraqi prisoner sex tapes!
 
2004-05-06 03:50:02 PM  
There's some real intellectual prowess on these boards today, phew, again I say, I hope all you wannabe activists get out there and vote for Kerry, so when it turns out he's just another puppet, and not the "SUPER AWESOME HONEST PEACEFUL" president that you all seem to think he will be, those of us that are even remotely impartial can sit back and watch another lovely flame war and the mandatory photoshopped pictures of the pres on satan's body.
 
2004-05-06 03:50:25 PM  
mr bunkers

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA, that is fantastic!
 
2004-05-06 03:50:50 PM  
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2004-05-06 03:51:00 PM  
Arabs will start to love the Americans again.
 
2004-05-06 03:51:29 PM  
Bill O'Reilly: All right, Mr. Hersh, we hope if you get other information, hard information, you will come here and tell us about it after writing for "The New Yorker."

Look, he's getting hard!

/don't know if that's NSF but the humor certainly is appropriate for Fark
 
2004-05-06 03:52:01 PM  
American abuse = frat boy hazings
Iraqi abuse = mutilated bodies dragged through the street

just a little much-needed persepective
 
2004-05-06 03:52:14 PM  
Morsghost:

Are you kidding? I dont' know any leftist who thinks Kerry will be a great president. All we think is that he won't be nearly as terrible as Bush. I've lived through several presidencies, and Bush is honestly the worst president i've ever seen.

Even IF I agreed with his general policies I would STILL think he was terrible, because he can't handle anything. Clinton was able to do farked up things to other countries but he did it without making the entire worlds population and all our allies hate us.
 
2004-05-06 03:52:24 PM  
He just did it because of P.R.

He found out about this in January or February, didn't say anything...until the media got ahold of it. He's just covering his @ss.
 
2004-05-06 03:53:56 PM  
2004-05-06 03:42:13 PM zappaisfrank

So you are trying to tell me that if it were a democratic president lording over this that you and the rest of the conservatives would "accept" his apology and move on?


Define move on. He apologized for the abusing of prisoners. Nothing more. Move on? Of course. To the trial and punishment phase for those who committed the abusing. Is this how all conservatives would react? No. Is this how I would react.

[image from pandagon.net too old to be available]
 
2004-05-06 03:54:02 PM  
"The irony is that the Americans have had to turn to former soldiers in Saddam's army - who only a year ago they were celebrating victory over - to restore order in Falluja."
(BBC)

Good God! Who in the fark would even contemplate supporting BUSH and his ilk. This is sick! Our people died for nothing! They could have brought in the former army all along! I think we got our asses kicked..
 
2004-05-06 03:54:06 PM  
Scooter36
I'm as disturbed as anyone else by what happened and would love nothing more than to see Bush impeached but democrats are completely wrong to make political hay with what happened. It demeans the party intellect, derails the current campaign from it's important mission of defeating Bush and will ultimately backfire.

Blaming the Bush administration is so self defeating, especially when the administration is handling the event in the best manner possible.


What?!? The best manner possible? The best manner possible would have been to read the reports coming back from Iraq and have taken stong immediate action. Instead the press found out before (allegedly) the president did. What could have been handled with little fanfare is now an interational disgrace.
 
2004-05-06 03:54:11 PM  
TheRealKlaatu


American abuse = frat boy hazings


Frat boys sodomize each other, tie each other up with wires and say they will be electrocuted and then pile naked on top of each other?

oh... well yeah, I guess you are right.
 
2004-05-06 03:54:31 PM  
There's nothing like waking up in a haze at almost 3:00 PM and there's a sun bather outside my window, someone trying to tell me something or am I reading too much into it..heh.

Umm on topic, umm, yeah, Bill O'Reilly, umm, Kill the Killers. Umm, peace love and freedom.

/distracted
 
2004-05-06 03:55:07 PM  
for those keeping count, this is approx post #415
 
2004-05-06 03:55:28 PM  
the only way to fix this is to kill all arabs between 10 - 55 years old. Anything less is just a waste of time. Arabs do not have the mental capacity to understand anything other then beating thier women, and fighting over a piece of dirt that really is the worst place to live on this planet. Kill them all if you want.
 
2004-05-06 03:55:42 PM  
"wrongdoers will be brought to justice."

If they're arabs, they're "Evil Doers". If they're Americans they're "Wrongdoers?"
 
2004-05-06 03:56:06 PM  
List I have compiled so far of neo-con excuses for the pictures and treatment of Iraqi POWs:

1) They probably had it coming. They were criminals after all.

2) You (liberals) just don't understand how hard it is to be a soldier. Give them a break. They were just letting off steam.

3) They did it to us, we are just getting even.

4) If Clinton had provided better 'sensitivity' training for our troops this wouldn't have happened.

5) The US Constitution is a great document and should be taken literally as often as possible... unless we are outside our borders. In which case, commence with torture.

6) It's really not so bad. I mean look at it. It's not that big of a deal. Worse things happen during frat hazings!

NEWSFLASH neo-cons- None of those are acceptable excuses. You are asshats for thinking they are.

That said, are there any I am missing? I want to expand the list. Come on neo-cons! I know you have more.
 
2004-05-06 03:56:24 PM  
Okay, I have to offer this for those of you who think apologies are sooo important.

http://www.kjbbn.net/9-11%20and%20the%20arab%20palestinian%20reaction​%​20to%20i t.htm

Read this and then let's debate the whole apology thing again.
 
2004-05-06 03:56:29 PM  
TheRealKlaatu: You're not allowed to provide any prospective here, American prisoners deserved it! remember? we're not supposed to be there.

Didn't you know everyone here is self-deprecating? DOWN with capitalism, UP with consuming oil on a daily basis while eating fast food and sitting on your fat wannabe asses. You can't be against it and yet rely on it on a daily basis.
 
2004-05-06 03:56:35 PM  
2004-05-06 03:45:06 PM Raicilla
[Bush's] got Private Pyle (Full Metal Jacket Pyle) syndrome. Get off his back.

Not sure what you mean...the goofy, benign, dim-witted pre-breakdown guy...or the "I'm in a world of shiat" killing machine?
 
2004-05-06 03:56:40 PM  
2004-05-06 03:45:06 PM Raicilla
He's got Private Pyle (Full Metal Jacket Pyle) syndrome. Get off his back. He apologized to the wonderful, civilized goat people. Now they can resume making lamb kabobs of US contractors.


Thanks Raicilla. I have coffee all over my white shirt now.
 
2004-05-06 03:56:41 PM  
He's FLIP-FLOPPING everybody!!! First he's against apologies, now he's for it! What a waffler! We should call Bush Waffle-boy!

/etc.
 
2004-05-06 03:56:42 PM  
Bush didn't actually say "I apologize" or "I'm sorry". Someone else said it for him. What a slug Bush is.
 
2004-05-06 03:56:47 PM  
"After reviewing the latest polls, I have to admit that not apologizing yesterday when I had the ear of the Arab world, was a mistake. I am sorry."

If he had a bit of integrity, he would withdraw his name from the upcoming election. The man is a disgrace. Read his resume.
 
2004-05-06 03:56:48 PM  
TheConvincingSavant

You are such the kool-aid drinker. Say hi to Mr. Jones for me.
 
2004-05-06 03:56:49 PM  
Like it or not, it takes balls to apologize.

/bottom of the thread, no one will read it, won't check back later.
 
2004-05-06 03:57:06 PM  
I'm convinced that these "tortures" are an isolated incident and that nothing similar or worse has happened in Iraq.
 
2004-05-06 03:57:18 PM  
ShootTheMoon

It is in the Bible. The Old Testament. If you want to be specific about it, it applies only to the injury of a pregnant woman (Exodus 21:22-25). Besides, in the New Testament, Jesus negates that (Matthew 5:38-40).

I'm not saying that we should just turn the other cheek to attacks against us. I'm just saying don't use analogies that aren't valid.

To get off of semantics, I don't think your point is valid. Even in the Old Testament, to take "an eye for an eye" was LEGAL. Torturing soldiers are not. And to all those out there who say that the "lefties" don't care that Americans are being tortured, I call bullshiat on you. As has been said numerous times, we care so much that we didn't want the soldiers there in the first place. What sickens me, in this case, is how hypocritical some people are being. They're chanting "USA! USA! USA!" and then looking away when we behave the same way as the enemy. And don't start. I know we're not doing it at as grand a scale, but for Christ's sake, Americans tortured people. You can't ignore that just because they're American.
 
2004-05-06 03:57:34 PM  
Klaatu:

don't misunderstand me. these were murders.

so was fallujah, and it's aftermath

U.S. out of iraq
 
2004-05-06 03:57:42 PM  
Rummy withheld the existence of pictures from the President.

I'd farkin fire his ass out the window.
 
2004-05-06 03:58:07 PM  
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2004-05-06 03:58:16 PM  
This has nothing to do with Bush. He apologized... I hope it helps. The General in charge apologized for his entire army.
Now it is time for CBS and the Washington post to apologize for publishing those photos and putting coalition lives at risk all to sell some papers or boost their sorry ratings. THEY should be ashamed...
 
2004-05-06 03:59:11 PM  
General_Jack_D_Ripper
If HE is apologizing, then HE has something to do with it!
BUSH ORDERED THIS ABUSE!


I hope you're just being a wiseass. Just in case, though (you can never be sure on fark), no, it doesn't mean he had something to do with it. If a woman takes her young child to a grocery store, and the little bastard knocks over a stack of Oreo packages, the mother would likely apologize to the store manager for not keeping the kid in line. That doesn't mean she TOLD the kid to do it. If anything, the kid is probably gonna get an ass-whuppin' when his dad hears of it.


TofuTheAlmighty
Pure lip service. If Bush were truly apologetic, Rumsfeld would be out of a job. Has Rumsfeld made a single correct decision while Sec. of Defense???

I recall that the Pentagon actually did launch investigations into these charges back in January. His mistake was not making the issue known outside the Pentagon while they were dealing with it.


pontechango
How about an apology for making people think Iraq had something to do with 9/11?

Wasn't the whole deal that not stopping Saddam might have led to allowing another 9/11? That's not an indefensible position, especially with recent questions regarding the source of the chemical materials planned for use in the failed Al-Qaeda chem bomb plot in Jordan.


byteblock
Wow, did every redneck refresh FARK in time to post early?
Lots of comments like this so I'll just take one at random:
"Americans are still waiting for apologies too."

For what? I can't believe so many of you're dismissing sexual degredation of prisoners so casually. Ask a vietnam POW how he feels about this, you hateful little bigot.


How is that quoted statement dismissive of the abuse of prisoners? If anything it seems to acknowledge it; it just just asks that those responsible for the deaths of Americans, or who held authority over those who were, apologize as well.

I would like to see the Saudi government apologize for their years of funding Al-Qaeda, and I acknowledge the horrors that some of our soldiers wrought on the Iraqi prisoners. Oh, and I'm not a redneck, either, though I do enjoy saying, "ass-whuppin'" from time to time. ^_^


U
first crack inthe wall folks........it will all come tumbling down soon enough.

Cripes, we've heard these predictions every time we run into a new problem in Iraq, yet somehow we keep managing to chug along. There've been cracks in the wall, true, but we've been on hand to replace the cracked bricks with solid ones, and the wall still stands because we've always found a way to overcome the problems thrown at us.

Attack: Remnants from Saddam's regime flee and try to take potshots at our troops.
Response: We raid weapons hideouts and keep the damage to a minimum, showing we ain't going nowhere. They keep trying, but it doesn't force us to leave.

Attack: Saddam's guys use moles to infiltrate the Iraqi police and get intel for future attacks.
Response: Upon capturing Saddam, we find a list of these guys and round them up.

Attack: Insurgents attack Iraqi police HQ directly.
Response: We add extra protection to these HQ to ward off attacks.

Attack: Al-Qaeda attacks a Shia festival in an attempt to start a civil war between the shiites and the Sunnis.
Response: Because we had intercepted the infamous Zarqawi letter in advance, we manage to capture some of the suicide bombers before they blow themselves up, and everybody in Iraq knows that Al-Qaeda, not the Sunnis, are behind it all.

Attack: Al-Qaeda turns its sites on foreigners in hotels.
Response: The usual: track down those who do it. The attacks don't affect the reconstruction effort.

Problem: Spain pulls out its troops after 3/11.
Response: Temporarily extend troop stays, and get more troops from our own forces and those of other countries. Problematic, but not crippling.

Attack: Fallujah militants continue to attack coalition forces.
Response: We cordon off the city and get Iraqis to start patrols, possibly soon to be joint US-Iraqi patrols.

Attack: Al-Sadr gathers insurgents to wage a blitzkrieg across Iraq.
Response: The coalition wages its own blitzkrieg and we corner Al-Sadr's guys into a few cities. We fight his men who try to spread out, while representatives of Iraq's most influential shiite leaders demand that al-Sadr withdraw militia units from the holy cities of Najaf and Karbala, stop turning the mosques there into weapons arsenals and return power to Iraqi police and civil defense units that operate under American control.

Attack: Syria sends militants into western Iraq.
Response: We search for them and kick their asses.

Problem 1: Questions swirl about what sort of government Iraq should have come June 30.
Problem 2: The coalition continues to have difficulty getting the UN to help out.
Solution: We accept the UN's Brahimi as the de facto sculptor of a future Iraqi government.

Problem: Photos reveal American soldiers' abuse of Iraqi prisoners.
Solution: Openly convey American disgust with these actions and apologize.

We've had plenty of problems in the reconstruction, but we've been able to deal with them


At this point in my longer, introductory posts to the forum I usually put up a pic of some kind. The American flag is good but a bit overused, and my Kerry = Waffles bit doesn't apply to this discussion, so here's a picture of a squirrel.

[image from mit.edu too old to be available]
 
2004-05-06 03:59:12 PM  
I am shocked and awed by the continued ignorance highlighted in this thread.

SADDAM HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11

Nobody in the administration even argues this any more. Please open a newspaper. The fact that Americans actually believed that horse crap is a great reason why Bush needs to go. He lied, they died.

Let's take a stroll through memory lane, following Bush's ever-waffling rationale for the war:

Claim: Iraq had ties to Al Qaeda
Fact: Woops, nobody has any evidence of that, we just wished they had ties and tried real hard to find ties.

Claim: Iraq had WMD
Fact: Woops, we can't find any WMD, we just wished they had WMD and tried real hard to find them.

Claim: Iraq had torture chambers and rape rooms
Fact: Ding ding, Iraq did have those! But we weren't really there on a humanitarian mission, that's why we kept using those torture chambers and rape rooms.
 
2004-05-06 03:59:24 PM  
mr bunkers

Most. Amusing. Link. Evar.
 
2004-05-06 03:59:39 PM  
It is a true testament and triumph of the human spirit the number of times the same little tin cogs come into a political thread on Fark and spin the same hot air over and over and over, as if they are doing it for the very first time, enlightening the unwashed masses with their rapier wit and intellect. Fark does provide a true community service. It gives idjits everywhere a soapbox with which to stand and spew forth the idle ramblings of their disconnected synapses and abject conspiracy filled melons.

I salute you, one and all.

/AlGore invented the Internet.
 
2004-05-06 03:59:46 PM  
Omega Ohm:

"I guess you cherry pick news articles too. Hrmm, road-side bombs, hostage taking, midnight mortars, etc..."

Yes, I do cherry pick news. I don't trust some sources that I deem propoganda. Your examples of guerilla tactics mean that there is a war going on. Didn't go as smoothly as your president told you it would? Most people could have told you otherwise. This still doesn't mean we mistreat prisoners of war, which is why the president appologized, just not to the Iraqi people that should really hear an appology. Why should the Iraqi people hear the appology more than the King of Jordan? Because we're trying to show them we are different than the last regime.

"I bet that's all A-ok with you right? Including the bombing of the UN when they were in there?"

No, it's not okay with me. I didn't want this war in the first place, and I really resent people like you making blanket statements against liberals. If I had my way, the UN would be handling this and our troops wouldn't be stuck guarding prisons, fighting guerrillas, dealing with the heat, dealing with the lack of supplies, etc.

"If you're going to act like an idiot, don't make it quite so obvious."

People on the internet seem much larger than they appear in person. Try not to bring things to such a 5th grade level.
 
2004-05-06 03:59:59 PM  
Liberals:

You biatch because Bush didn't apologize yesterday; you biatch because he apologized today.

You biatch when our soldiers die maintaining a siege; you biatch when a tank fires on a mosque (aka, bunker).

You biatch that the government didn't do enough to prevent terrorist attacks; you biatch when Pat Tilman "throws his life away" killing terrorists in Afghanistan.

You biatch when Israeli soldiers kill suicide bombers; you biatch when we remove the dictator paying for them.

You biatch that we went into Iraq without accurate intelligence; you biatch that we didn't shoot at the fuzzy tall blob that might have been Osama years ago.

All you do is biatch. Like John Kerry, you have no plan - only criticism. And your biatching only encourages the next jerk-off that thinks 10,000 deaths might be enough to get us to back off. 'Cuz, hey - it worked in Spain!

I have a plan for you - just sit down, relax, and let others defend your pointless lives.
 
2004-05-06 04:00:00 PM  
Difar53:

I disagree totally. The press' job is to inform the public of things like this. Quite frankly, since vietnam the press has not been doing NEARLY enough to inform us of government crimes.
 
2004-05-06 04:00:33 PM  
Question: To those of you that have a hard-on over the fact that he apologized and you think this is a wonderful thing...

Don't you think it would have been better if he had apologized while he had the "ear" of the Arab world?
 
2004-05-06 04:00:48 PM  
2004-05-06 03:58:16 PM Difar53


This has nothing to do with Bush. He apologized... I hope it helps. The General in charge apologized for his entire army.
Now it is time for CBS and the Washington post to apologize for publishing those photos and putting coalition lives at risk all to sell some papers or boost their sorry ratings. THEY should be ashamed...


Yeah cause the purpose of journalists isn't to show us the truth, it's to support the administration. I guess at least Fox has that part right. Oh wait, didn't Fox also show the pics? Damn Liberal press.
 
2004-05-06 04:01:00 PM  
Coalition lives at risk

What, the coalition between US forces and mercenary forces, with walk on parts for British soldiers?

Oh, sorry. I forgot Micronesia as well.
 
2004-05-06 04:01:30 PM  
..and I'll apologize for Bush.
sorry, I remember when he had a back bone.
 
2004-05-06 04:01:39 PM  
"you biatch because he apologized today"


i haven't seen people biatching about this. WE are biatching about OTHER things baby.
 
2004-05-06 04:02:00 PM  
VideoVader
I recall that the Pentagon actually did launch investigations into these charges back in January. His mistake was not making the issue known outside the Pentagon while they were dealing with it.

Bull. His mistake is letting it go so that 4 months after the investigation started it was still happening. Inexcusable.
 
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