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2017-01-11 06:28:34 PM  
The difference is that if they ever fire an active warhead, it will likely be the only one they have, while the American response would likely look like this:

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2017-01-11 07:40:11 PM  
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we have an intensive training program for operators
 
2017-01-11 07:45:03 PM  
Best Korea likes to rattle the saber. By saber, they mean the sound that their stomachs make.....
 
2017-01-11 08:24:44 PM  
 but our ICBM's and their warheads have been exhaustively tested.
 
2017-01-11 10:14:35 PM  
...and since they're exhausted, we hope they work.
 
2017-01-11 10:16:04 PM  
If only we spent some of our budget on the military.
 
2017-01-11 10:16:06 PM  

Voiceofreason01: but our ICBM's and their warheads have been exhaustively tested.


I believe that there's only ever been one complete test of ICBM with a live warhead.
 
2017-01-11 10:19:01 PM  
Israel's Iron Dome system is basically our test mule.
 
2017-01-11 10:22:58 PM  
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2017-01-11 10:23:50 PM  
The difference is that Lil Kim actually wants to fire a nuke at the US, while the US really wants to give a shiatload of money to defense contractors to develop snazzy new systems. It's all a matter of priorities.
 
2017-01-11 10:25:21 PM  

Sgt Otter: Israel's Iron Dome system is basically our test mule.


That's for short range rockets and artillery, low in the air.  A hypersonic ICBM going through re-entry is a different beast.  And it's one thing to defend against an undeveloped rogue like NK - a developed country like russia with MIRV's and countermeasures are currently undefendable.
 
2017-01-11 10:26:48 PM  
How much would we have to pay him and the inner circle to just fark off to UAE or somewhere? Billion cash for the fat man and $50M each for top 20 big hat guys? Seems like chump change for us in the long run and living the life of a chubby playboy in Dubai has got to be better than life as king of the brokedicks.
 
2017-01-11 10:33:07 PM  
I was just mentioning in the Taiwan Straight article about how I worked for the MDA during grad school and while the tech was really cool (we can shoot down missiles/satellites... if we have enough tries), it is still really, really damn limited in its capabilities, deployment, and affordability.

We should continue to fund some missile defense research just so we aren't completely outdated one day. But I honestly don't see any time in the next century when a "missile shield" will be a reasonable thing to spend much money on. Defense is always more difficult and costly than offense, in every field. You don't have to look at missiles, just look at terrorism. Do you really think you can prevent all attacks? You secure the planes, they just attack security lines. Defense, unfortunately, always loses to offense except through might in number of bodies and number of dollars.
 
2017-01-11 10:34:54 PM  

Barry McCockner: The difference is that if they ever fire an active warhead, it will likely be the only one they have, while the American response would likely look like this:

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Give them ten, twenty years. I don't think we will be able to outpace offensive capabilities, not with how prevalent and cheaply computer/aerospace knowledge/tech is spreading.
 
2017-01-11 10:41:29 PM  
A missile defense is several orders of magnitude more difficult to build than just a regular old missile.
 
2017-01-11 10:44:17 PM  
A small tidbit of info that might make you chuckle: our Sea-based X-band Radar is mounted on top of a Russian built platform! This is not a concern to us because the hard part to get right isn't the platform, it is the radar.

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2017-01-11 10:47:38 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Voiceofreason01: but our ICBM's and their warheads have been exhaustively tested.

I believe that there's only ever been one complete test of ICBM with a live warhead.


The you believe wrong.
 
2017-01-11 10:49:46 PM  
What I don't understand is why we don't launch a Tomahawk at the launch facilities about 2 hours before best Korea is ready to launch.  Who we gonna piss off?  The Best Koreans?  Who cares.  The Chinese?  Who cares.  Might even convince them to quit building islands in the middle of the ocean.
 
2017-01-11 10:50:12 PM  

Barry McCockner: The difference is that if they ever fire an active warhead, it will likely be the only one they have, while the American response would likely look like this:

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Every time I think of 'massive American Artillery Barrage', I think of the 1812 Overture. I know, it's not even American, but there's cannons involved.

/I also happen to love Russian classical music
 
2017-01-11 10:52:31 PM  

Barry McCockner: the American response would likely


Oh how I miss the days when I believed in an end to that sentence.
 
2017-01-11 10:52:42 PM  

doglover: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Voiceofreason01: but our ICBM's and their warheads have been exhaustively tested.

I believe that there's only ever been one complete test of ICBM with a live warhead.

The you believe wrong.


I think he's right. There have been a lot of seperate tests of missiles and warheads but Operation Dominic was the only US test of an ICBM with a live warhead.
 
2017-01-11 10:53:20 PM  

doglover: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Voiceofreason01: but our ICBM's and their warheads have been exhaustively tested.

I believe that there's only ever been one complete test of ICBM with a live warhead.

The you believe wrong.


Actually I don't think he is,unless you have other info.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W47

The partial test ban treaty shortly afterward put a stop to further full up testing.
 
2017-01-11 10:55:29 PM  

Snotnose: What I don't understand is why we don't launch a Tomahawk at the launch facilities about 2 hours before best Korea is ready to launch.  Who we gonna piss off?  The Best Koreans?  Who cares.  The Chinese?  Who cares.  Might even convince them to quit building islands in the middle of the ocean.


That would be a serious escalation. Besides that a substantial part of Seoul is in range of N. Korean artillary.
 
2017-01-11 10:55:44 PM  

Bowen: How much would we have to pay him and the inner circle to just fark off to UAE or somewhere? Billion cash for the fat man and $50M each for top 20 big hat guys? Seems like chump change for us in the long run and living the life of a chubby playboy in Dubai has got to be better than life as king of the brokedicks.


Nah. He is the Trump of Asia. He doesn't need the money but does need the attention.

Damn! I mentioned Trump in a none Trump thread. Sorry.

/maybe
//they are both like one and the same
///
 
2017-01-11 10:56:46 PM  

Voiceofreason01: doglover: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Voiceofreason01: but our ICBM's and their warheads have been exhaustively tested.

I believe that there's only ever been one complete test of ICBM with a live warhead.

The you believe wrong.

I think he's right. There have been a lot of seperate tests of missiles and warheads but Operation Dominic was the only US test of an ICBM with a live warhead.


I know the USSR lobbed some warheads at Novaya Zemlya using real (IC?)BMs, but I don't know if any of those warheads were live (that is, end to end systems testing).
 
2017-01-11 11:00:18 PM  

Barry McCockner: The difference is that if they ever fire an active warhead, it will likely be the only one they have, while the American response would likely look like this:

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which may be Kim Jong UNstable's  plan. It quite obvious he doesn't care a lick about the avg noth Korean. I mean what better way to wipe out an entire population than to have 'someone' else do it?

It must be great to have an entire population thinking you're some Demi God while totally blind to the fact that you have not an once of care or sympathy towards their welfare.
 
2017-01-11 11:02:32 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: It must be great to have an entire population thinking you're some Demi God while totally blind to the fact that you have not an once of care or sympathy towards their welfare.


But enough about Drew

Wokka Wokka Wokka
 
2017-01-11 11:03:06 PM  
This is probably my favorite pic of nuke/missile pr0n:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2017-01-11 11:06:02 PM  

Voiceofreason01: doglover: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Voiceofreason01: but our ICBM's and their warheads have been exhaustively tested.

I believe that there's only ever been one complete test of ICBM with a live warhead.

The you believe wrong.

I think he's right. There have been a lot of seperate tests of missiles and warheads but Operation Dominic was the only US test of an ICBM with a live warhead.


All space launches are basically just ICBMs with either human or mechanical cargo instead of warheads.

All warhead tests are complete in and of themselves.

The weaponized ICBMs are the same reliable machines we've been refining for decades, just snapped together a bit differently.

We don't have conduct tests with live nuclear warheads. The tech is sound.
 
2017-01-11 11:10:37 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Snotnose: What I don't understand is why we don't launch a Tomahawk at the launch facilities about 2 hours before best Korea is ready to launch.  Who we gonna piss off?  The Best Koreans?  Who cares.  The Chinese?  Who cares.  Might even convince them to quit building islands in the middle of the ocean.

That would be a serious escalation. Besides that a substantial part of Seoul is in range of N. Korean artillary.


Launching nuclear ICBMs isn't a serious escalation?  This twit needs to be put in his place.  South Koreans don't like it, they can pay for their own damned defence.
 
2017-01-11 11:12:27 PM  

doglover: Voiceofreason01: doglover: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Voiceofreason01: but our ICBM's and their warheads have been exhaustively tested.

I believe that there's only ever been one complete test of ICBM with a live warhead.

The you believe wrong.

I think he's right. There have been a lot of seperate tests of missiles and warheads but Operation Dominic was the only US test of an ICBM with a live warhead.

All space launches are basically just ICBMs with either human or mechanical cargo instead of warheads.

All warhead tests are complete in and of themselves.

The weaponized ICBMs are the same reliable machines we've been refining for decades, just snapped together a bit differently.

We don't have conduct tests with live nuclear warheads. The tech is sound.


Hey, only one country has incinerated an island.
blog.nuclearsecrecy.com
 
2017-01-11 11:16:36 PM  

Voiceofreason01: doglover: Voiceofreason01: doglover: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Voiceofreason01: but our ICBM's and their warheads have been exhaustively tested.

I believe that there's only ever been one complete test of ICBM with a live warhead.

The you believe wrong.

I think he's right. There have been a lot of seperate tests of missiles and warheads but Operation Dominic was the only US test of an ICBM with a live warhead.

All space launches are basically just ICBMs with either human or mechanical cargo instead of warheads.

All warhead tests are complete in and of themselves.

The weaponized ICBMs are the same reliable machines we've been refining for decades, just snapped together a bit differently.

We don't have conduct tests with live nuclear warheads. The tech is sound.

Hey, only one country has incinerated an island.
[blog.nuclearsecrecy.com image 700x232]


Damn Right.
-H. Dresden
 
2017-01-11 11:18:55 PM  

Snotnose: Voiceofreason01: Snotnose: What I don't understand is why we don't launch a Tomahawk at the launch facilities about 2 hours before best Korea is ready to launch.  Who we gonna piss off?  The Best Koreans?  Who cares.  The Chinese?  Who cares.  Might even convince them to quit building islands in the middle of the ocean.

That would be a serious escalation. Besides that a substantial part of Seoul is in range of N. Korean artillary.

Launching nuclear ICBMs isn't a serious escalation?  This twit needs to be put in his place.  South Koreans don't like it, they can pay for their own damned defence.


South Korea has a GDP 40x larger than North Korea. In a war between SK and NK that lasts more than an hour, NK doesn't stand a chance.
 
2017-01-11 11:20:14 PM  

Voiceofreason01: but our ICBM's and their warheads have been exhaustively tested.


I know what Kajilin island is, they're tested.
 
Oak
2017-01-11 11:23:08 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Snotnose: What I don't understand is why we don't launch a Tomahawk at the launch facilities about 2 hours before best Korea is ready to launch.  Who we gonna piss off?  The Best Koreans?  Who cares.  The Chinese?  Who cares.  Might even convince them to quit building islands in the middle of the ocean.

That would be a serious escalation. Besides that a substantial part of Seoul is in range of N. Korean artillary.


"artillery."
 
2017-01-11 11:24:20 PM  

Bowen: Snotnose:
South Korea has a GDP 40x larger than North Korea. In a war between SK and NK that lasts more than an hour, NK doesn't stand a chance.


Of course not, NK will never have the money to win a war with anyone. They do have the means to kill many millions in Seoul though.
 
2017-01-11 11:25:25 PM  

nullptr: Bowen: Snotnose:
South Korea has a GDP 40x larger than North Korea. In a war between SK and NK that lasts more than an hour, NK doesn't stand a chance.

Of course not, NK will never have the money to win a war with anyone. They do have the means to kill many millions in Seoul though.


I guess, my point being, is that NK plays the wildcard card well enough that people are legitimately worried that NK doesn't care about making it out of a war alive.
 
2017-01-11 11:28:13 PM  

Snotnose: What I don't understand is why we don't launch a Tomahawk at the launch facilities about 2 hours before best Korea is ready to launch.  Who we gonna piss off?  The Best Koreans?  Who cares.  The Chinese?  Who cares.  Might even convince them to quit building islands in the middle of the ocean.


For some reason, I'm not surprised that a Benghazi truther has such a poor understanding of foreign relations and military capabilities.
 
2017-01-11 11:32:27 PM  
Don't be ridiculous, subby. If Israel didn't test the anti-missile systems for us, what would be the point of letting their civil war drag on?
 
2017-01-11 11:35:18 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Hey, only one country has incinerated an island.


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Tokyo says hello!

Shizuoka too!
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2017-01-11 11:44:29 PM  
Dead for Tax Reasons:
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we have an intensive training program for operators
 
2017-01-11 11:57:22 PM  

nullptr: nullptr: Bowen: Snotnose:
South Korea has a GDP 40x larger than North Korea. In a war between SK and NK that lasts more than an hour, NK doesn't stand a chance.

Of course not, NK will never have the money to win a war with anyone. They do have the means to kill many millions in Seoul though.

I guess, my point being, is that NK plays the wildcard card well enough that people are legitimately worried that NK doesn't care about making it out of a war alive.


I think the millions of people in labor camps and getting entire families wiped out for a single offence is reasonable proof dear leader cares very very little about NK's lives in general.
 
2017-01-12 12:16:17 AM  
While we laugh every time Best Korea attacks the sea, our anti-missile defenses actually get tested less often and have about the same success rate

Well some of us actually understand where the best place to aim a test missile is and don't think they are attacking the sea.  Some of us.
 
2017-01-12 01:11:16 AM  

nullptr: This is probably my favorite pic of nuke/missile pr0n:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x643]


What am I looking at?
 
2017-01-12 01:19:15 AM  
Fake News
 
2017-01-12 01:53:59 AM  

trappedspirit: While we laugh every time Best Korea attacks the sea, our anti-missile defenses actually get tested less often and have about the same success rate

Well some of us actually understand where the best place to aim a test missile is and don't think they are attacking the sea.  Some of us.


Some of us find it funny that they cannot even get an ICBM into the sea.  Their last several missile tests blew up on the launcher.  They are years away from having anything resembling a functional ICBM.  They are even further away from having a nuclear weapon that can fit on an ICBM, despite what tubby likes to tell the media.  And the first time they DO test anything that looks like it could reach the US, I don't expect us to even need to intervene.  China will biatch slap that Kim so hard that the next generation of North Korean dictators will feel it.  They are not going to risk trade relations with the west over a missile happy North Korean regime.
 
2017-01-12 01:54:05 AM  

saturn badger: Bowen: How much would we have to pay him and the inner circle to just fark off to UAE or somewhere? Billion cash for the fat man and $50M each for top 20 big hat guys? Seems like chump change for us in the long run and living the life of a chubby playboy in Dubai has got to be better than life as king of the brokedicks.

Nah. He is the Trump of Asia. He doesn't need the money but does need the attention.

Damn! I mentioned Trump in a none Trump thread. Sorry.

/maybe
//they are both like one and the same
///


Narcissitic amoral farkpigs who got everything they ever had because of a) their father b) being a shiatwizard

They are the same person.
 
2017-01-12 02:06:11 AM  

nullptr: nullptr: Bowen: Snotnose:
South Korea has a GDP 40x larger than North Korea. In a war between SK and NK that lasts more than an hour, NK doesn't stand a chance.

Of course not, NK will never have the money to win a war with anyone. They do have the means to kill many millions in Seoul though.

I guess, my point being, is that NK plays the wildcard card well enough that people are legitimately worried that NK doesn't care about making it out of a war alive.


They have to.  It's the only way to get anything.

The norks have nothing we want.  NOTHING.  I'm sure there are some resources in that country but NOTHING there is worth the trouble of dealing with/conquering/spending an appreciable amount of time in that shiathole.

As such, the only way that they can get any attention at all instead of being walled off (figuratively, and perhaps literally) and ignored is by acting crazy.  Crazy enough to start a nuclear war.  Crazy enough to die.

Because, oddly enough, if we just ignored them they'd probably die.
 
2017-01-12 03:35:55 AM  

nullptr: I was just mentioning in the Taiwan Straight article about how I worked for the MDA during grad school and while the tech was really cool (we can shoot down missiles/satellites... if we have enough tries),


We only tried once with the most recent satellite.

Absolutely right about defense harder than offense...that's why you shouldn't put all of your missile defense eggs in the active defense basket, and we don't.

Regardless it is a very very hard problem as you say.
 
2017-01-12 03:44:45 AM  

Snotnose: What I don't understand is why we don't launch a Tomahawk at the launch facilities about 2 hours before best Korea is ready to launch.  Who we gonna piss off?  The Best Koreans?  Who cares.  The Chinese?  Who cares.  Might even convince them to quit building islands in the middle of the ocean.


1. We woukd need to launch several tomahawks.
2. That is an act of war

Regardless, what is better for the US? To not let them launch a test missile, or let them launch one and have it fail again?
 
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