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2017-01-11 12:15:53 PM  
Wow the comment section of the actual article is horrible.... I'm disheartened to find even more of it here.

People really hate the cops now.  That's just too bad.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2017-01-11 12:17:56 PM  

ChuckRoddy: Bertuccio: Something that happens every week is an isolated incident?

I guess it doesn't matter if they think they're getting a raw deal, or thing it makes it hard to do their job by not killing people, as long as they stop.

Islamic terrorists attacks happen every day. Is it fair to paint all muslims as violent extremists?
Same with cops.
 Yet when we learn more info of these high profile killings we find out that it's never as simple as "guy got shot because he's black."


If it's fair to ask all Muslims "why don't you speak out and/or do something about this happening in your group" it's fair to ask police officers to do it as well.  It's sad that police rush to exonerate the people among them using too much violence rather than reflecting on the incident and trying to see what they could do better.   Not all cops are "bad cops" is very true, but the cops causing the problem are being protected by their fellow officers and the systems they have help set up.
 
2017-01-11 12:18:08 PM  

jshine: AdmirableSnackbar: Interesting how the small government conservatives are perfectly OK with agents of the state summarily killing citizens for minor offenses with no repercussions.

And by interesting I mean what the fark is wrong with them that they support those actions?

Who here has argued that summary execution is acceptable?


Quite a few people.  Every time such an event happens we have multiple farkers supporting the actions of police.  They always have a reason that it was a "good shoot" of an unarmed, non-threating black...oh, there it is, I think we know the reason.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2017-01-11 12:19:23 PM  

f29d6h: Wow the comment section of the actual article is horrible.... I'm disheartened to find even more of it here.

People really hate the cops now.  That's just too bad.


I don't hate cops, but I also don't think they should be above the law.  They should have rules to follow like anyone else and when rules are broken there should be consequences.  That's not happening with ANY group that has power over us in the US right now.
 
2017-01-11 12:19:34 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: I pray for our police, EMTs, firefighters and all emergency personnel .. they are the front line targets in a war to upend America, and that war cannot be discussed honestly


A war whose violence was only surpassed by the Dutch-Scilly War.
 
2017-01-11 12:19:38 PM  

f29d6h: Wow the comment section of the actual article is horrible.... I'm disheartened to find even more of it here.

People really hate the cops now.  That's just too bad.


Indeed.  There are some bad cops who have done terrible things, and too often they do escape justice.  ...but the police are also the only thing that stand between civilization and anarchy.  Take away law enforcement altogether and we'd be living in something like Somalia, where it's every man for himself.

For better or worse, the police are a necessary element of society and they are here to stay.  Simply indulging in the Two Minutes Hate isn't going to solve anything.
 
2017-01-11 12:20:38 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Interesting how the small government conservatives are perfectly OK with agents of the state summarily killing citizens for minor offenses with no repercussions.

And by interesting I mean what the fark is wrong with them that they support those actions?


I'm a conservative and I don't support the killing of citizens over minor offenses. I think police officers that do that should be tried and convicted of murder. That being said, I don't believe it's the huge problem that the media makes it out to be. However, I agree that one murder of an unarmed person is one too many though and I support the use of body cameras for the officers protection as much as those being stopped/questioned/investigated.

Police need more/better training. Those that don't pass the training shouldn't be allowed to interact with the public or be removed from the police department.
 
2017-01-11 12:21:06 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Interesting how the A.) small government conservatives are perfectly OK with agents of the state summarily killing B.) citizens for minor offenses with no repercussions.

And by interesting I mean what the fark is wrong with them that they support those actions?


I suspect the population of A.) is roughly equal to the population of B.)

In other words, unless your straw man can type, you're going to be disappointed when you don't get an answer.
 
2017-01-11 12:21:14 PM  

andthatsok: RJReves: Why no want oversight? WHY?

If you were a cop would you want me to see what you are doing?


If I were a "good cop" I wouldn't be worried about it. Hell man , I honestly wouldn't give a flock if'n I was Truman. If y'alls life is that empty go ahead and watch me sitting, doing Fark or reading a book. Dolores Claiborne currently. Next I think might be either book one of the Thomas Covenant books.

My life sucks, and I like it that way.
 
2017-01-11 12:22:04 PM  

ChuckRoddy: Bertuccio: Something that happens every week is an isolated incident?

I guess it doesn't matter if they think they're getting a raw deal, or thing it makes it hard to do their job by not killing people, as long as they stop.

Islamic terrorists attacks happen every day. Is it fair to paint all muslims as violent extremists?
Same with cops.
 Yet when we learn more info of these high profile killings we find out that it's never as simple as "guy got shot because he's black."


It's almost never simply. It's just that white people in similar circumstances are killed by police at a much lower rate. As a white person, I absolutely get the benefit of the doubt.
 
2017-01-11 12:22:30 PM  

jshine: ...but the police are also the only thing that stand between civilization and anarchy.


Which is why every time shiat has really hit the fan, the police have been the first ones out of town and soldiers have been called in to handle things?
 
2017-01-11 12:22:50 PM  

Phony_Soldier: JerkyMeat: If you want to be a cop there is something wrong with you and you should be eliminated for consideration, based on the fact you wanted be a cop.  And cops are basically criminals hiding behind a badge....so yeah.  go f yourself, cop.

Wow. That is the dumbest thing I've read today. Seriously, please get professional help.


This. I regret I have only one smartie to give.
 
2017-01-11 12:23:02 PM  

jshine: f29d6h: Wow the comment section of the actual article is horrible.... I'm disheartened to find even more of it here.

People really hate the cops now.  That's just too bad.

Indeed.  There are some bad cops who have done terrible things, and too often they do escape justice.  ...but the police are also the only thing that stand between civilization and anarchy.  Take away law enforcement altogether and we'd be living in something like Somalia, where it's every man for himself.

For better or worse, the police are a necessary element of society and they are here to stay.  Simply indulging in the Two Minutes Hate isn't going to solve anything.


The police have a perception problem and it's up to them to fix it.  If they want to be perceived the way they wish they were perceived they have to change their behavior and attitude.  Instead they want to do what they want to do while hiding behind the thin blue line and demanding that we love them for it for some reason.  Fix the attitude and the behavior on the cops' end and the perception will change, but it takes time and effort to do that.
 
2017-01-11 12:23:40 PM  
Man, there are gonna be a whole lot of "triggered" farkers in here today.
 
2017-01-11 12:23:52 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: jshine: AdmirableSnackbar: Interesting how the small government conservatives are perfectly OK with agents of the state summarily killing citizens for minor offenses with no repercussions.

And by interesting I mean what the fark is wrong with them that they support those actions?

Who here has argued that summary execution is acceptable?

Quite a few people.  Every time such an event happens we have multiple farkers supporting the actions of police.  They always have a reason that it was a "good shoot" of an unarmed, non-threating black...oh, there it is, I think we know the reason.


Is there anyone in this thread who has said that they are "OK with agents of the state summarily killing citizens for minor offenses with no repercussions" (or similar)?

One can argue about whether a specific incident was justified or not based on the available facts, and opinions on specific cases by rational people may naturally vary, but that's not the point I was responding to.
 
2017-01-11 12:24:10 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: AdmirableSnackbar: Interesting how the A.) small government conservatives are perfectly OK with agents of the state summarily killing B.) citizens for minor offenses with no repercussions.

And by interesting I mean what the fark is wrong with them that they support those actions?

I suspect the population of A.) is roughly equal to the population of B.)

In other words, unless your straw man can type, you're going to be disappointed when you don't get an answer.


You seem to be able to type, so please, provide an answer. Why do you and your friends always end up siding with police when they shoot someone?
 
2017-01-11 12:24:22 PM  

The more you eat the more you fart: ChipNASA: WTP 2: wait until the blacks find out that they are more likely to be killed by other blacks...what will they do then ??

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That's nice, but those "other blacks" aren't paid by the government to uphold the law, so nice try.


Well, that and the "other blacks" are arrested for murder, tried, convicted, and go to jail.
 
2017-01-11 12:25:15 PM  

RJReves: Phony_Soldier: JerkyMeat: If you want to be a cop there is something wrong with you and you should be eliminated for consideration, based on the fact you wanted be a cop.  And cops are basically criminals hiding behind a badge....so yeah.  go f yourself, cop.

Wow. That is the dumbest thing I've read today. Seriously, please get professional help.

This. I regret I have only one smartie to give.


Thanks  :)
 
2017-01-11 12:26:02 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Zeb Hesselgresser: AdmirableSnackbar: Interesting how the A.) small government conservatives are perfectly OK with agents of the state summarily killing B.) citizens for minor offenses with no repercussions.

And by interesting I mean what the fark is wrong with them that they support those actions?

I suspect the population of A.) is roughly equal to the population of B.)

In other words, unless your straw man can type, you're going to be disappointed when you don't get an answer.

You seem to be able to type, so please, provide an answer. Why do you and your friends always end up siding with police when they shoot someone?


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2017-01-11 12:26:22 PM  

jshine: AdmirableSnackbar: jshine: AdmirableSnackbar: Interesting how the small government conservatives are perfectly OK with agents of the state summarily killing citizens for minor offenses with no repercussions.

And by interesting I mean what the fark is wrong with them that they support those actions?

Who here has argued that summary execution is acceptable?

Quite a few people.  Every time such an event happens we have multiple farkers supporting the actions of police.  They always have a reason that it was a "good shoot" of an unarmed, non-threating black...oh, there it is, I think we know the reason.

Is there anyone in this thread who has said that they are "OK with agents of the state summarily killing citizens for minor offenses with no repercussions" (or similar)?

One can argue about whether a specific incident was justified or not based on the available facts, and opinions on specific cases by rational people may naturally vary, but that's not the point I was responding to.


And therein lies the problem.  They're not OK with it in theory, but in practice they support cops 100% in every individual instance that it happens.  I mean for fark's sake there are people who defend the cops who shot Tamir Rice.  At some point there's no use trying to discuss specific instances because these douchebags will always find a reason why it was OK for an agent of the state to murder someone.
 
2017-01-11 12:28:07 PM  

This text is now purple: jshine: ...but the police are also the only thing that stand between civilization and anarchy.

Which is why every time shiat has really hit the fan, the police have been the first ones out of town and soldiers have been called in to handle things?


If you're talking about the National Guard (the "militia"), then yes, in extreme circumstances (natural disasters, etc.) that exceed the capacity of the normal police force, they are called in to assist.  What's your point?  Are you saying that the National Guard is the body that's truly responsible for maintaining the rule of law?
 
2017-01-11 12:28:48 PM  

Phony_Soldier: RJReves: Phony_Soldier: JerkyMeat: If you want to be a cop there is something wrong with you and you should be eliminated for consideration, based on the fact you wanted be a cop.  And cops are basically criminals hiding behind a badge....so yeah.  go f yourself, cop.

Wow. That is the dumbest thing I've read today. Seriously, please get professional help.

This. I regret I have only one smartie to give.

Thanks  :)


Stating "this is the stupidest thing I have read" here, on Fark, and being accurate in your assessment, is both awesome and scary.
 
2017-01-11 12:29:12 PM  
All cops are scumbags. Authoritarian assholes that get a hard-on when they assault or kill blacks and other minorities. I piss on cops.
 
2017-01-11 12:29:18 PM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Then quit and find a new job that is easier to cope with when you have an inferiority complex.


So where do you work?
 
2017-01-11 12:29:25 PM  

GanjSmokr: starsrift: I'm gonna stop you right in the 4th paragraph.

FTFA: Among those police officers surveyed, 86 percent told Pew that they believe the fatal incidents have made their jobs more difficult, while 93 percent say police are now more concerned about their safety as a result. Seventy-five percent said they believe that interactions between black residents and law enforcement have become more tense.

The risk is the job. That's the point. You take a risk - protect AND serve. That's where the whole problem started - cops became more concerned about their safety than doing their jobs.

Looks like it ain't changing anytime soon.

Well yea, it's scary fighting crime.  Best to hide somewhere and leave the crime fighting to the peasants.

http://nypost.com/2013/01/27/city-says-cops-had-no-duty-to-protect-sub​way-hero-who-subdued-killer/


That case is especially egregious. A hero stopped a knife wielding madman, and got stabbed repeatedly while doing it. Not only did the police who were specifically on the train looking for the killer hide while this went on, they only emerged from hiding when it was over.

Icing on the cake? The police took full credit for the capture, and were treated as heroes by the press, while the real hero was recovering in the hospital.
 
2017-01-11 12:30:00 PM  

jshine: This text is now purple: jshine: ...but the police are also the only thing that stand between civilization and anarchy.

Which is why every time shiat has really hit the fan, the police have been the first ones out of town and soldiers have been called in to handle things?

If you're talking about the National Guard (the "militia"), then yes, in extreme circumstances (natural disasters, etc.) that exceed the capacity of the normal police force, they are called in to assist.  What's your point?  Are you saying that the National Guard is the body that's truly responsible for maintaining the rule of law?


I'm saying the police aren't the only part of the line.

Because clearly this -- "but the police are also the only thing that stand between civilization and anarchy" -- isn't true.
 
2017-01-11 12:30:13 PM  
What, is the Obvious tag off somewhere getting beaten by a cop in riot gear?

Bertuccio: Something that happens every week is an isolated incident?

I guess it doesn't matter if they think they're getting a raw deal, or thing it makes it hard to do their job by not killing people, as long as they stop.


Week?  Try day.  We're 11 days in, and so far 30 Americans, tallied by name, have been killed by law enforcement.  The most egregious (in my opinion,) was on the 9th when a 2 year cop was speeding on the left side of a one way road in the wrong direction, no lights or sirens, and killed a woman.  The local chief says it might take 7 to 10 days to complete the accident report, at which time they'll hand it off to the prosecutor to begin the process of investigation.

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/news/20170109/woman-in-charleston-police​-​collision-dies-officers-name-released-

/Reserve deputy
//Really farking tired of other assholes wearing my uniform and the few of us who are legitimately good a bad name
 
2017-01-11 12:30:33 PM  

jshine: This text is now purple: jshine: ...but the police are also the only thing that stand between civilization and anarchy.

Which is why every time shiat has really hit the fan, the police have been the first ones out of town and soldiers have been called in to handle things?

If you're talking about the National Guard (the "militia"), then yes, in extreme circumstances (natural disasters, etc.) that exceed the capacity of the normal police force, they are called in to assist.  What's your point?  Are you saying that the National Guard is the body that's truly responsible for maintaining the rule of law?


Since when do cops maintain the rule of law?  They only enforce the laws, they don't ensure that no laws are broken.  See, freedom means that we have controlled anarchy.  You can do whatever the fark you want so long as nobody notices you broke the law.  The problem is that when cops break the law and people notice, other law enforcement entities either look the other way or work to protect the cops.
 
2017-01-11 12:31:18 PM  

Eli WhiskeyDik: [img.fark.net image 480x326]

Stop murdering unarmed people, you sorry f*cks.


Yeah, this.  All the way this.
 
2017-01-11 12:32:30 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: jshine: f29d6h: Wow the comment section of the actual article is horrible.... I'm disheartened to find even more of it here.

People really hate the cops now.  That's just too bad.

Indeed.  There are some bad cops who have done terrible things, and too often they do escape justice.  ...but the police are also the only thing that stand between civilization and anarchy.  Take away law enforcement altogether and we'd be living in something like Somalia, where it's every man for himself.

For better or worse, the police are a necessary element of society and they are here to stay.  Simply indulging in the Two Minutes Hate isn't going to solve anything.

The police have a perception problem and it's up to them to fix it.  If they want to be perceived the way they wish they were perceived they have to change their behavior and attitude.  Instead they want to do what they want to do while hiding behind the thin blue line and demanding that we love them for it for some reason.  Fix the attitude and the behavior on the cops' end and the perception will change, but it takes time and effort to do that.


On the one hand I agree: the police do have a lot of work to do, and they bear the majority of the responsibility for establishing and maintaining a good working relationship with their host community (and will bear the majority of the burden if they fail).

...but on the other hand, there is, I think, a minimal responsibility incumbent on all of us to recognize that most police officers are not monsters and just want to do their job, collect a paycheck, and maybe do some good along the way.  It's impossible to reach a favorable, mutual outcome if one side is completely determined to hate the other side.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2017-01-11 12:32:39 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: And therein lies the problem. They're not OK with it in theory, but in practice they support cops 100% in every individual instance that it happens. I mean for fark's sake there are people who defend the cops who shot Tamir Rice. At some point there's no use trying to discuss specific instances because these douchebags will always find a reason why it was OK for an agent of the state to murder someone.


I have never seen a police killing no matter how outrageous the situation where someone hasn't defended the cop.  A cop could go up to a random person and shoot him in the head and some mental gymnast would come up with a justification.  That's what the problem is.  The frame of mind is different than mine.  Yes, people should submit to police authority when it is justified, but the responsibility is EQUAL to all people.  A black person doesn't have the responsibility to go above and beyond and in the cases of many people this is what they are asked to do.  Police should be able to protect themselves, but they need to be expected to be reasonable and you can't let the definition of "reasonable" include everything.  And when police break the law they need to be punished.
 
2017-01-11 12:32:44 PM  
I think one of the reasons that the less qualified candidate (Trump)won is that a significant portion of the country correctly thinks of cops as the good guys and recognizes that they have difficult jobs, and some subset of that group (enough to swing PA, MI, and WI) voted for the party that is less likely to criticize the police or call them murderers, and less likely to sympathize with or support anti-cop protestors.

Justice indeed.
 
2017-01-11 12:33:08 PM  

AeAe: All cops are scumbags. Authoritarian assholes that get a hard-on when they assault or kill blacks and other minorities. I piss on cops.


Sorry, I should've said "Lots of triggered farkers and ITGs." My bad.
 
2017-01-11 12:33:44 PM  

mrsleep: .001 of all arrests ends in a death, .0003 end in the death of a black person.

Not even enough to be considered statistically significant.

But hey, the criminals are getting what they want
"Seventy-six percent of those surveyed also say they are now more reluctant to use force when appropriate because of the attention to the incidents, while 72 percent said they are more reluctant to stop and question someone they believe seems suspicious."

Ooo, yeah, bring up Micheal Brown, the gentle giant who got shot while fighting with a cop. If you still buy that malarkey, you should dig up the witness reports, hands up don't shoot was bullshiat.


It's pretty easy to believe when yoi watch the video of the guy in Florida who was shot laying on the ground with his hands up while posing literally no threat to anyone.
 
2017-01-11 12:34:01 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Fix the attitude and the behavior on the cops' end and the perception will change, but it takes time and effort to do that.


They can't be fixed. Their primary mission is controlling subject populations and no amount of early retirements and re-training will change that, the police agencies would have to be dissolved and replaced with new ones whose mission is law enforcement. Northern Ireland did it because it's the size of Maine and had one centralised police force. It won't happen here.
 
2017-01-11 12:34:03 PM  

AeAe: All cops are scumbags. Authoritarian assholes that get a hard-on when they assault or kill blacks and other minorities. I piss on cops.


The vast majority of police officers are good people doing a very difficult and unappreciated job.
 
2017-01-11 12:34:17 PM  

f29d6h: Wow the comment section of the actual article is horrible.... I'm disheartened to find even more of it here.

People really hate the cops now.  That's just too bad.


They earned their reputation.  Only they can fix it.
 
2017-01-11 12:34:35 PM  

Bertuccio: Something that happens every week is an isolated incident?

I guess it doesn't matter if they think they're getting a raw deal, or thing it makes it hard to do their job by not killing people, as long as they stop.


I guess the problem is if you have hundreds of thousands of people in professions like police officers or teachers you can find one abusing their position or doing something terrible every week very easily, but that doesn't necessarily tell you anything negative (or positive) about them as a whole or in general. If you have 1.1 million law enforcement officers, then one incident a week is representative of 0.005% of their activities, so for every one cop you hear about, there are 199,999 you didn't. They might also be doing bad things but just not getting caught, or doing good things, or most likely a mixture of both among such a large population.
 
2017-01-11 12:34:57 PM  

WTP 2: wait until the blacks find out that they are more likely to be killed by other blacks...what will they do then ??


Wait until some 'bagger tries to avoid the issue by changing the subject.  What will we do then?
 
2017-01-11 12:35:22 PM  

This text is now purple: jshine: This text is now purple: jshine: ...but the police are also the only thing that stand between civilization and anarchy.

Which is why every time shiat has really hit the fan, the police have been the first ones out of town and soldiers have been called in to handle things?

If you're talking about the National Guard (the "militia"), then yes, in extreme circumstances (natural disasters, etc.) that exceed the capacity of the normal police force, they are called in to assist.  What's your point?  Are you saying that the National Guard is the body that's truly responsible for maintaining the rule of law?

I'm saying the police aren't the only part of the line.

Because clearly this -- "but the police are also the only thing that stand between civilization and anarchy" -- isn't true.


Okay, I'll grant that in the 0.01% of situations where the National Guard are required (e.g., Hurricanes, etc.), they do have a role to play too.  Along with the FBI, Federal Marshals, Secret Service, etc.  But these are corner cases, and still acting as "law enforcement" if not technically "police".
 
2017-01-11 12:35:50 PM  

jshine: On the one hand I agree: the police do have a lot of work to do, and they bear the majority of the responsibility for establishing and maintaining a good working relationship with their host community (and will bear the majority of the burden if they fail).

...but on the other hand, there is, I think, a minimal responsibility incumbent on all of us to recognize that most police officers are not monsters and just want to do their job, collect a paycheck, and maybe do some good along the way.  It's impossible to reach a favorable, mutual outcome if one side is completely determined to hate the other side.


Is it unreasonable to ask the normals to not cover for the monsters?

Because I'm left with one of two conclusions:
1. There are so many monsters that the normals are afraid to speak out.
2. The normals are unwilling to speak out.

In either case, the monsters win the day.
 
2017-01-11 12:36:05 PM  

Private_Citizen: GanjSmokr: starsrift: I'm gonna stop you right in the 4th paragraph.

FTFA: Among those police officers surveyed, 86 percent told Pew that they believe the fatal incidents have made their jobs more difficult, while 93 percent say police are now more concerned about their safety as a result. Seventy-five percent said they believe that interactions between black residents and law enforcement have become more tense.

The risk is the job. That's the point. You take a risk - protect AND serve. That's where the whole problem started - cops became more concerned about their safety than doing their jobs.

Looks like it ain't changing anytime soon.

Well yea, it's scary fighting crime.  Best to hide somewhere and leave the crime fighting to the peasants.

http://nypost.com/2013/01/27/city-says-cops-had-no-duty-to-protect-sub​way-hero-who-subdued-killer/

That case is especially egregious. A hero stopped a knife wielding madman, and got stabbed repeatedly while doing it. Not only did the police who were specifically on the train looking for the killer hide while this went on, they only emerged from hiding when it was over.

Icing on the cake? The police took full credit for the capture, and were treated as heroes by the press, while the real hero was recovering in the hospital.


A little more icing was this gem:

Lozito says a grand-jury member later told him Howell admitted on the stand that he hid during the attack because he thought Gelman had a gun.

Granted, it's basically hearsay, but pretty messed up if true.
 
2017-01-11 12:36:23 PM  
Robocops are the solution.  Properly programmed, they will be highly resistant to corruption.
 
2017-01-11 12:37:13 PM  

jshine: f29d6h: Wow the comment section of the actual article is horrible.... I'm disheartened to find even more of it here.

People really hate the cops now.  That's just too bad.

Indeed.  There are some bad cops who have done terrible things, and too often they do escape justice.  ...but the police are also the only thing that stand between civilization and anarchy.  Take away law enforcement altogether and we'd be living in something like Somalia, where it's every man for himself.

For better or worse, the police are a necessary element of society and they are here to stay.  Simply indulging in the Two Minutes Hate isn't going to solve anything.


The public's *trust* in the fair application of the institution of law is what keeps us from anarchy.  The police can't do shiat when they're outnumbered 300:1 if the trust in the institution of policing is broken down.
 
2017-01-11 12:37:16 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: The shame is this issue cannot be addressed nor correctly diagnosed without running afoul of perceived racism by moderators.

I pray for our police, EMTs, firefighters and all emergency personnel .. they are the front line targets in a war to upend America, and that war cannot be discussed honestly


You are wrong.  First of all, who cares about supposedly unfounded accusations of racism?  If the accusation is obviously BS then why worry about it and let it control your speech?

I'm not a racist and I don't give a flying fark about what someone calls me, you shouldn't be attacking me, attack the argument.
 
2017-01-11 12:37:33 PM  

jshine: ...but on the other hand, there is, I think, a minimal responsibility incumbent on all of us to recognize that most police officers are not monsters and just want to do their job, collect a paycheck, and maybe do some good along the way.  It's impossible to reach a favorable, mutual outcome if one side is completely determined to hate the other side.


If person is a cop they know bad cops.  If they don't work to purge the force of bad cops, don't stand up and enforce the law when cops break the law, or actively cover for cops who break the law, then they are bad cops.

At this point there is no reason to assume that there are ANY good cops.  They're all corrupt in some way, shape, or form.  That's the perception based on the reality of how many bad cops there are.  Fix the perception or stop farking whining about the perception and resultant attitude.
 
2017-01-11 12:37:36 PM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Because the police are civilians too correct?


Correct.  We're civilians as well.  My department only uses the word civilian in two cases: to differentiate between deputies and non-deputy employees, and to designate non-deputies when we are partnering with citizens in the field (such as if we are invited to help a business with an active shooter plan.)  All other times, it's citizen.
 
2017-01-11 12:38:11 PM  

IvanTheSilent: What, is the Obvious tag off somewhere getting beaten by a cop in riot gear?

Bertuccio: Something that happens every week is an isolated incident?

I guess it doesn't matter if they think they're getting a raw deal, or thing it makes it hard to do their job by not killing people, as long as they stop.

Week?  Try day.  We're 11 days in, and so far 30 Americans, tallied by name, have been killed by law enforcement.  The most egregious (in my opinion,) was on the 9th when a 2 year cop was speeding on the left side of a one way road in the wrong direction, no lights or sirens, and killed a woman.  The local chief says it might take 7 to 10 days to complete the accident report, at which time they'll hand it off to the prosecutor to begin the process of investigation.

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/news/20170109/woman-in-charleston-police-​collision-dies-officers-name-released-

/Reserve deputy
//Really farking tired of other assholes wearing my uniform and the few of us who are legitimately good a bad name


Thank you for being willing to call bad cops to account.  Truly, thank you. It takes courage and integrity most people lack.
 
2017-01-11 12:38:34 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Robocops are the solution.  Properly programmed, they will be highly resistant to corruption.


But not necessarily corrosion.
 
2017-01-11 12:38:42 PM  

WTP 2: wait until the blacks find out that they are more likely to be killed by other blacks...what will they do then ??


Brushing aside quite a bit of the other ridiculousness of this statement, you do realize it's not just black people affected by law enforcement abuses, yes?

The Michael Slager case shows that it's nearly impossible to prosecute misconduct. A police force with the ability to perform summary executions has no place in a free society.
 
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