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2017-01-11 08:45:48 AM  
Just sayin

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2017-01-11 08:50:53 AM  
What's next?

A Holocaust denier as ambassasor to Israel?
 
2017-01-11 09:05:40 AM  

meat0918: What's next?

A Holocaust denier as ambassasor to Israel?


HE'S JUST ASKING THE QUESTIONS!
 
2017-01-11 09:08:50 AM  
At least it wasn't Jill Stein.
 
2017-01-11 09:30:50 AM  
I can't wait for Martin Shkreli to be made head of the FDA.
 
2017-01-11 09:35:18 AM  
I'm looking forward to the day I can host a measles party with the neighborhood kids with impunity.
 
2017-01-11 09:49:56 AM  
Everything you need to know about vaccines is in the first two words of the wikipedia article for smallpox.  "Smallpox was"
*mic drop*
 
2017-01-11 10:14:28 AM  

nekom: Everything you need to know about vaccines is in the first two words of the wikipedia article for smallpox.  "Smallpox was"
*mic drop*


Well, there have been lab accidents.

...or am I thinking of an episode of Trapper John?
 
2017-01-11 10:17:22 AM  
As usual, Trumpenstein continues his unbroken trend of picking the person for the job who is diametrically opposed to what the job is supposed to entail.  Once Trump has finished turning the entire government on its head, he'll proceed to piledrive it as far down as it will go, and then hammer the rest in with a gold-plated sledge until its toes stop wiggling.  Then he'll drop trou and shiat on its grave.
 
2017-01-11 10:20:26 AM  
Sure. Why not?
 
2017-01-11 10:21:21 AM  
Arent most antivaxxers that way because they are concerned about vaccine safety and are distrustful of the current safety standards?
 
2017-01-11 10:21:32 AM  
I'm not being hyperbolic when I say I feel like I'm watching the country be wantonly destroyed.
 
2017-01-11 10:22:09 AM  

Saiga410: Arent most antivaxxers that way because they are concerned about vaccine safety and are distrustful of the current safety standards?


That and there's something misfiring in their brains.
 
2017-01-11 10:22:34 AM  

Serious Black: I'm looking forward to the day I can host a measles party with the neighborhood kids with impunity.


I went to chickenpox party when I was a kid.  I should probably get that shingles vaccine.
 
2017-01-11 10:22:34 AM  
It's no longer hyperbole to say Trumpist Republicans literally want to kill American children.  There, I said it.
 
2017-01-11 10:23:53 AM  
Trump is just thinking about the economy. Think of the jobs! that could be created.
Look how many jobs were lost when kids weren't getting polio. Did anyone think of the hardworking people who built iron lungs, leg braces and wheel chairs who lost their jobs due to vaccines?
 
2017-01-11 10:26:09 AM  
Fark this guy.  Right in the ear.

/after you had your shots
// you might need more after farking him
 
2017-01-11 10:26:35 AM  

adamgreeney: I can't wait for Martin Shkreli to be made head of the FDA.


I thought he had already named a pick for FDA.  And it was some guy who thinks that drugs only need to be tested to see if they're dangerous before being approved, and can skip that whole question of "Do they actually treat what they're supposed to cure?"
 
2017-01-11 10:26:49 AM  
It's neat that something that would have been shocking news met with outrage under any other administration is just some boring old page 5 stuff now.

Wait, I mean horrifying.

Every single day lately I see something in the news that makes me think less and less of my country and my countrymen. Is this how Republicans feel all the time? Afraid and angry?
 
2017-01-11 10:27:07 AM  

Psychopusher: As usual, Trumpenstein continues his unbroken trend of picking the person for the job who is diametrically opposed to what the job is supposed to entail.  Once Trump has finished turning the entire government on its head, he'll proceed to piledrive it as far down as it will go, and then hammer the rest in with a gold-plated sledge until its toes stop wiggling.  Then he'll drop trou and shiat on its grave.


There is a similar problem in Congress historically as well - the Congressmen most willing to give concessions politically to get onto committees tend to be the ones most opposed to the status quo. If the status quo for say energy policy/education/etc. is something reasonably sensible and balanced, then the people most attracted to tend to be ones with some extreme policy changes they want to implement.

So if like Trump you have no idea what you are doing, then the people that will be pushing hardest to get in the various executive positions you have to hand out are likely to tend towards people with very strong agendas to push in those areas, whereas normally a new President will mostly want fairly safe and uncontroversial picks they can rely on to do what they want them to do rather than pursue their own agendas.
 
2017-01-11 10:30:08 AM  

Saiga410: Arent most antivaxxers that way because they are concerned about vaccine safety and are distrustful of the current safety standards?


No.  They claim to be concerned about that and then move the goal posts when the claims, however unreasonable, are addressed.

Its also laughable to take the majority of them seriously given that most still depend on the absurd and thoroughly discredited Wakefield study as their primary source.
 
2017-01-11 10:31:26 AM  

adamgreeney: I can't wait for Martin Shkreli to be made head of the FDA.


Damn, that could happen.
 
2017-01-11 10:31:48 AM  
Fun fact: People with autism prefer to be called "software developers".
 
2017-01-11 10:33:17 AM  

hubiestubert: meat0918: What's next?

A Holocaust denier as ambassasor to Israel?

HE'S JUST ASKING THE QUESTIONS!


SO MUCH FOR LIBERAL TOLERANCE!
 
2017-01-11 10:35:15 AM  
img.fark.net/just leaving this here
//anti-vaxxers are idiots of the highest order
 
2017-01-11 10:35:52 AM  
Brain bleach, stat!

An irremediable troll on Fark (There are no trolls on Fark!) forgot which alt (There are no alts on Fark!) was logged in and pulled a stopped clock maneuver.
 
2017-01-11 10:35:54 AM  

Action Replay Nick: I'm not being hyperbolic when I say I feel like I'm watching the country be wantonly destroyed.


It's a sentiment felt by many sane people right now.
 
2017-01-11 10:36:10 AM  
A crazy old man .
 
2017-01-11 10:36:19 AM  

bighairyguy: Fun fact: People with autism prefer to be called "software developers".


Really depends on the autistic person.   Also, with diagnostic criteria changing, it has to be tough to see if the prevalence of autism is actually increasing.
 
2017-01-11 10:38:50 AM  
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2017-01-11 10:40:35 AM  

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Thank you for saving us from autism, it's a terrible condition

 
2017-01-11 10:40:52 AM  
When dude's balls start bursting like overripe pomegranates and gangrene sets in all because they got the Mumps, then maybe a bunch of this stupid antivax bullshiat will die.
 
2017-01-11 10:41:16 AM  

Saiga410: Arent most antivaxxers that way because they are concerned about vaccine safety and are distrustful of the current safety standards?


Anti-vaxxers claim vaccines cause autism.  They claim autism is absolutely positively not a genetic neurological difference/disorder but rather is caused by "poisonous" vaccines.
 
2017-01-11 10:42:47 AM  

adamgreeney: I can't wait for Martin Shkreli to be made head of the FDA.


It's almost that bad.

https://www.statnews.com/2016/12/12/donald-trump-fda-oneill/

Trump's pick is a guy who thinks the FDA should only evaluate drugs for safety, not for efficacy, and let the market figure out which drugs are effective after they are approved.

Which is an absurd concept on its face.  The idea of evaluating "safety" in a vacuum is incoherent.  Any drug that has any biological effect at all is going to have side-effects and adverse reactions and some risk profile.  If it doesn't have a any side effects, then that means it's not actually doing anything.  Therefore, safety and risk must ALWAYS be evaluated relative to potential benefit.  A drug that has a 1% chance of killing the patient may be acceptable in a drug intended for terminal cancer patients, but not acceptable in a cold medicine.  A drug that causes a serious adverse reaction in 10% of patients may be acceptable if another 80% see a dramatic improvement, but not acceptable if only 20% of patients see an improvement.  Et cetera.
 
2017-01-11 10:43:46 AM  

OooShiny: Saiga410: Arent most antivaxxers that way because they are concerned about vaccine safety and are distrustful of the current safety standards?

Anti-vaxxers claim vaccines cause autism.  They claim autism is absolutely positively not a genetic neurological difference/disorder but rather is caused by "poisonous" vaccines.


It is one step removed from people who claim they put flouride in the water to calcify our pineal gland and "close our third eye".
 
2017-01-11 10:48:20 AM  
There is an undercurrent that many conservatives have that government isn't just bad but malevolent. Some how the government benefits by hurting citizens. The only reason to mandate vaccines is to inject our vulnerable children with unknown substances to weaken  them and make them dependant on the government.
 
2017-01-11 10:51:54 AM  

meat0918: Just sayin

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for those who would like a larger version of that:
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2017-01-11 10:53:05 AM  

UberDave: nekom: Everything you need to know about vaccines is in the first two words of the wikipedia article for smallpox.  "Smallpox was"
*mic drop*

Well, there have been lab accidents.

...or am I thinking of an episode of Trapper John?


The last time a human was known to be infected with smallpox was 1978. Since then, there have been "accidents" where smallpox was a place where smallpox should not have been, but it did not infect anyone.
 
2017-01-11 10:54:27 AM  

Doc Daneeka: adamgreeney: I can't wait for Martin Shkreli to be made head of the FDA.

It's almost that bad.

https://www.statnews.com/2016/12/12/donald-trump-fda-oneill/

Trump's pick is a guy who thinks the FDA should only evaluate drugs for safety, not for efficacy, and let the market figure out which drugs are effective after they are approved.

Which is an absurd concept on its face.  The idea of evaluating "safety" in a vacuum is incoherent.  Any drug that has any biological effect at all is going to have side-effects and adverse reactions and some risk profile.  If it doesn't have a any side effects, then that means it's not actually doing anything.  Therefore, safety and risk must ALWAYS be evaluated relative to potential benefit.  A drug that has a 1% chance of killing the patient may be acceptable in a drug intended for terminal cancer patients, but not acceptable in a cold medicine.  A drug that causes a serious adverse reaction in 10% of patients may be acceptable if another 80% see a dramatic improvement, but not acceptable if only 20% of patients see an improvement.  Et cetera.


I actually forgot all about that guy. . . The fact his level of evil is forgettable compared to other Trumpers makes me deeply terrified.
 
2017-01-11 10:54:41 AM  

scotto: I went to chickenpox party when I was a kid.  I should probably get that shingles vaccine.


Did those parties make sense in the era before chickenpox vaccine?  Were the consequences of getting the disease as an adult bad enough to justify deliberately exposing kids?
 
2017-01-11 10:57:21 AM  
Wage war on vaccines and eliminate healthcare. Pretty effective strategy.

The incoming Republican administration may rack up a body count that even puts the last Republican administration to shame.
 
2017-01-11 10:59:09 AM  
I'm going to get flamed here, but let's at least give this guy a chance to state his current opinion on vaccines.  He was one of the few people in politics that tried to bring attention to everything that was happening at Standing Rock, that alone show earn him a chance.
Link

And this was his statement about Vaccines:
"His opinion (Trump's) doesn't matter but the science does matter and we ought to be reading the science and we ought to be debating the science," Kennedy said. "And that everybody ought to be able to be assured that the vaccines that we have - he's very pro-vaccine, as am I - but they're as safe as they possibly can be."

Maybe he'll focus on studying the <.001% of people that have severely negative reactions to vaccines, and they'll develop a testing procedure so they can be identified and exempt.
 
2017-01-11 10:59:22 AM  

meat0918: What's next?

A Holocaust denier as ambassasor to Israel?


Andrew Dice Clay as poet laureate
 
2017-01-11 10:59:36 AM  

BeesNuts: OooShiny: Saiga410: Arent most antivaxxers that way because they are concerned about vaccine safety and are distrustful of the current safety standards?

Anti-vaxxers claim vaccines cause autism.  They claim autism is absolutely positively not a genetic neurological difference/disorder but rather is caused by "poisonous" vaccines.

It is one step removed from people who claim they put flouride in the water to calcify our pineal gland and "close our third eye".


People espouse this? Well, nevermind, of course they do. Anyway, I actually kind of like this one as far as crazy conspiracy theories go. It's very creative and ties lots of BS together. Descartes called the pineal gland the "principal seat of the soul," and the calcification of it is seemingly odd and poorly understood at the moment. It happens to most people at a young age but can be associated with pathology as well. Then to tie that in with fluoride in the water? Just great, it hits so many high notes that I have to respect it.
 
2017-01-11 10:59:46 AM  

meat0918: What's next?

A Holocaust denier as ambassasor to Israel?


No, probably just  Mike Huckabee.

Or Kim Davis.
 
2017-01-11 11:02:54 AM  

Karac: I thought he had already named a pick for FDA.  And it was some guy who thinks that drugs only need to be tested to see if they're dangerous before being approved, and can skip that whole question of "Do they actually treat what they're supposed to cure?"


I suppose that wouldn't be so bad, actually.  Keep the dangerous drugs out of the formulary, but don't stop doctors from prescribing drugs or devices that have been working for the rest of the world, with a mandatory caveate "this has only been proved to work on people, not on Americans."
 
2017-01-11 11:02:54 AM  

flondrix: scotto: I went to chickenpox party when I was a kid.  I should probably get that shingles vaccine.

Did those parties make sense in the era before chickenpox vaccine?  Were the consequences of getting the disease as an adult bad enough to justify deliberately exposing kids?


Yep. I got shipped off to multiple cousins' houses when they got it. Weirdly I never caught it then. FF to my senior year of HS and I got it out of the blue. I was pretty miserable.
 
2017-01-11 11:04:01 AM  

hobbes0022: And this was his statement about Vaccines:
"His opinion (Trump's) doesn't matter but the science does matter and we ought to be reading the science and we ought to be debating the science," Kennedy said. "And that everybody ought to be able to be assured that the vaccines that we have - he's very pro-vaccine, as am I - but they're as safe as they possibly can be."


That sounds almost sane. But it's the edge of the wedge that anti vaccine and anti science people use to get to their real agenda. It's similar to "too many, too soon." Sounds good and plays well to people who have no understanding of immunology (most everyone), but it's really just to get around to their real goals. Which are nicely quoted further into the article:

He has argued that mercury-based additives in vaccines explain the link to autism. And he has alleged that government scientists, journalists and pharmaceutical companies have colluded to hide the truth from the public.

"They get the shot. That night they have a fever of 103. They go to sleep, and three months later their brain is gone," Kennedy said at the premiere of an anti-vaccination film screening in California in 2015. "This is a holocaust, what this is doing to our country."

See?
 
2017-01-11 11:04:17 AM  

BeesNuts: It is one step removed from people who claim they put flouride in the water to calcify our pineal gland


After making absurd medical/scientific claims at the top, note the disclaimer at the bottom.  Again, the FDA has been banned by conservative lawmakers from regulating actual snake oil.

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2017-01-11 11:06:45 AM  
If a person believes that greasing up a spot between their eyebrows can somehow deliver that substance into the depths of their brain, there is probably no help for them. That is feudal serf level thinking at best.
 
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