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(Newsweek)   Betsy DeVos ruined Michigan's education system. Are you prepared to see the same happen to the entire Department of Education?   ( newsweek.com) divider line
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2017-01-11 09:17:53 AM  
Kenneth Pomykala attended Calvin College at the same time as Prince (devos) and remembers her "vaguely." Today the head of Calvin's religion department, Pomykala estimates that back then, perhaps 90 percent of the students belonged to the Christian Reformed tradition. "One of the things Calvinism is known for is that one's religious values should affect the way you live all of life," Pomykala says. "It doesn't make the separation between private religion and public life.

Sigh. Another right wing nutjob running the ed dept
 
2017-01-11 09:18:45 AM  
Most of Trump's cabinet picks are designed to dissolve their departments, not run them.
 
2017-01-11 09:29:40 AM  

edmo: Most of Trump's cabinet picks are designed to dissolve their departments, not run them.


Really makes you wonder how Fiorina didn't end up scoring a spot.  She's awesome at ruining everything she touches.  A proverbial Midas touch of suck.

But to Subby's headline:  Trump has ruined people and businesses and futures, and the country seems prepared to see that happen to the country.  So your question is a little derivative.
 
2017-01-11 09:38:02 AM  
stigginit.

That is all.
 
2017-01-11 10:26:57 AM  

edmo: Most of Trump's cabinet picks are designed to dissolve their departments, not run them.


...and then what happens?
 
2017-01-11 10:33:33 AM  

raerae1980: edmo: Most of Trump's cabinet picks are designed to dissolve their departments, not run them.

...and then what happens?


3)  Profit.
 
2017-01-11 10:41:51 AM  

Diogenes: raerae1980: edmo: Most of Trump's cabinet picks are designed to dissolve their departments, not run them.

...and then what happens?

3)  Profit.


*gags*
 
2017-01-11 11:36:07 AM  
There are tax dollars that aren't being funneled to a private company and she's going to fix that. Maybe we'll see funding diverted to the Excellent Really Impressive Charter Training Really Underserved Millionaires' Progency school.
 
2017-01-11 12:11:13 PM  
Am I? Not really. Are a minority of Americans gifted unproportional political influence by a centuries old compromise electoral system? Apparently.
 
2017-01-11 12:14:56 PM  

raerae1980: edmo: Most of Trump's cabinet picks are designed to dissolve their departments, not run them.

...and then what happens?


And them a Libertarian Utopia starts where hard working men make bootstraps to pull themselves up by. Any Rand is resurrected, and John Galt becomes a real person and punches Obama in the mouth.
 
2017-01-11 12:15:57 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: There are tax dollars that aren't being funneled to a private company and she's going to fix that. Maybe we'll see funding diverted to the Excellent Really Impressive Charter Training Really Underserved Millionaires' Progency school.


It's sad, isn't it?

I guess the "burn it down" crowd is celebrating.
 
2017-01-11 12:16:56 PM  

error 303: Am I? Not really. Are a minority of Americans gifted unproportional political influence by a centuries old compromise electoral system? Apparently.


so move to where the jobs votes are
 
2017-01-11 12:17:50 PM  
At least Michigan is well-represented in this magical Trump regime, what with this Amway lady as Sec of Education and Ben Carson leading HUD.....
....
.......
.....nevermind.
 
2017-01-11 12:18:12 PM  

raerae1980: edmo: Most of Trump's cabinet picks are designed to dissolve their departments, not run them.

...and then what happens?


(function main() {})();(function main() {})();Other entities (China, the EU, Russia) start chomping at America's share of the global pie.
 
2017-01-11 12:18:17 PM  
Why do I always read her name as Busty DeVos?
 
2017-01-11 12:18:29 PM  

Hyjamon: error 303: Am I? Not really. Are a minority of Americans gifted unproportional political influence by a centuries old compromise electoral system? Apparently.

so move to where the jobs votes are


No farking way I'd ever move to Nebraska or Alabama
 
2017-01-11 12:18:52 PM  
Betsy DeVos ruined Michigan's education system.

Makes sense.  A bunch of people were dumb enough there to vote for Trump.

Perhaps better schooling might have helped.
 
2017-01-11 12:18:53 PM  
I work in education so I'm getting a...fraid
 
2017-01-11 12:22:16 PM  
The DeVos family got their monies from Amway.  Study it out.  We are all at the bottom of their West Michigan Dutch Oven Pyramid.
 
2017-01-11 12:23:38 PM  

Will-Mun: raerae1980: edmo: Most of Trump's cabinet picks are designed to dissolve their departments, not run them.

...and then what happens?

And them a Libertarian Utopia starts where hard working men make bootstraps to pull themselves up by. Any Rand is resurrected, and John Galt becomes a real person and punches Obama in the mouth.


..........christ
 
2017-01-11 12:24:22 PM  

Amnestic: raerae1980: edmo: Most of Trump's cabinet picks are designed to dissolve their departments, not run them.

...and then what happens?

(function main() {})();(function main() {})();Other entities (China, the EU, Russia) start chomping at America's share of the global pie.


Which saves us trillions of dollars and creates massive capital flight to the USA.

Good job Trump.
 
2017-01-11 12:24:51 PM  
West Michigan Dutch Oven Pyramid, annnnnnnnnnd band name.
 
2017-01-11 12:25:13 PM  
I wonder if some lack-wit will come in and Tellus how awesome charter schools are?
 
2017-01-11 12:26:05 PM  

Smackledorfer: I wonder if some lack-wit will come in and Tellus how awesome charter schools are?


They're not.

If they were, Kipp would be sending kids to Harvard.
 
2017-01-11 12:30:03 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: There are tax dollars that aren't being funneled to a private company and she's going to fix that. Maybe we'll see funding diverted to the Excellent Really Impressive Charter Training Really Underserved Millionaires' Progency school.


If they'd wanted non-religious private schools to flourish, they'd've picked Michelle Rhee.  This is only for the Our Lady of Perpetual Greed, St. Rita Moreno, and St. Jude Don't Make it Bad Schools.
 
2017-01-11 12:30:51 PM  
I thought completely ruining the agency they're appointed to was kind of the idea with all Trump's appointments.
 
2017-01-11 12:31:32 PM  
Will it hurt poors the most? Then yes.
 
2017-01-11 12:35:01 PM  

squirrelinator: West Michigan Dutch Oven Pyramid, annnnnnnnnnd band name.


Isn't that what Trump paid hookers to do in Moscow?
 
2017-01-11 12:48:59 PM  
My very de-farkified letter to my senator on the hearing committee:

Dear Senator __________,
As a public school teacher in (insert city), (insert state), I implore you to deny confirmation of Betsy DeVos as Secretary of Education. The woman has no experience in public education, is married to a man whose business is a barely-legal Ponzi scheme, and wants to use my tax dollars to make education a profitable business for religious groups. Furthermore, her charter school efforts in Michigan have proven to be ineffective for students and a tremendous waste of taxpayer money. The evidence for this is glaring and obvious. Ms. DeVos has never held a real job, has no experience with sizable department budgets or administrative leadership, and is the worst kind of incompetent ideologue the likes of which we are seeing with each and every nomination from the President-elect.
Confirmation of this unqualified partisan will yield terrible results for schools across the country and especially here in (insert state), where our school funding is in a precarious financial state. Ms. DeVos and those who share her undemocratic, baseless beliefs want to implode public education and further separate the haves (rich, white Christians) from the have-nots (everyone else). She wants to do this with our tax dollars. This is what every fascist inherently desires. Why would you, or any other Senator, be willing to sacrifice the needs of students in public schools in order to appease millionaires of inherited, not earned, wealth who have no experience in the complicated and underfunded world of public education?
Would you give your car keys to a fifth grader? Would you trust billions of dollars to a tween with an allowance? Of course not. Please act responsibly and deny Ms. DeVos her unearned honorarium by any means necessary. This is critical to all voters in (insert state), especially parents of public school students and public school teachers. Thank you.
 
2017-01-11 12:50:45 PM  

raerae1980: Will-Mun: raerae1980: edmo: Most of Trump's cabinet picks are designed to dissolve their departments, not run them.

...and then what happens?

And them a Libertarian Utopia starts where hard working men make bootstraps to pull themselves up by. Any Rand is resurrected, and John Galt becomes a real person and punches Obama in the mouth.

..........christ


Too much?
 
2017-01-11 12:51:12 PM  

Smackledorfer: I wonder if some lack-wit will come in and Tellus how awesome charter schools are?


But don't you see?

1. The rich will get an awesome tax cut. This will free up money to start up for-profit charter schools.
2. YOU pay the same rate, plus more in sales taxes.
3. The government then gives you a coupon good for a discount towards the for-profit charter started by the Job Creators, whom are enjoying that nice tax cut.
4. Your kid gets taught the basics, plus bad science taught by teachers who don't believe in the fundamentals of biology and physics.
5. Test scores go up. There. Proof the charter school was better!

It's win-win if you're a DeVos.
 
2017-01-11 12:55:46 PM  

Diogenes: Really makes you wonder how Fiorina didn't end up scoring a spot. She's awesome at ruining everything she touches. A proverbial Midas touch of suck.


Everything she touches turns to schitt?
 
2017-01-11 12:59:20 PM  
Alfa Bank doesn't want Americans to be educated.  This is what was being discussed on Trump's private server.
 
2017-01-11 01:00:27 PM  
...and once you have trained the others to be for profit charter school teachers you will get a small but reasonable percentage of their earnings.
 
2017-01-11 01:03:23 PM  

Diogenes: edmo: Most of Trump's cabinet picks are designed to dissolve their departments, not run them.

Really makes you wonder how Fiorina didn't end up scoring a spot.  She's awesome at ruining everything she touches.  A proverbial Midas touch of suck.


Simple.  She's so good at screwing up, that if given a job to depower and dismantle an agency, she'd fail at that, making them able to dethrone Trump, and then take over the world.

/Which the rest of the world would allow, out of gratitude.
 
2017-01-11 01:09:23 PM  

Will-Mun: raerae1980: Will-Mun: raerae1980: edmo: Most of Trump's cabinet picks are designed to dissolve their departments, not run them.

...and then what happens?

And them a Libertarian Utopia starts where hard working men make bootstraps to pull themselves up by. Any Rand is resurrected, and John Galt becomes a real person and punches Obama in the mouth.

..........christ

Too much?


No, just................well, okay, YEA, it is.   *sobs*
 
2017-01-11 01:11:27 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Diogenes: Really makes you wonder how Fiorina didn't end up scoring a spot. She's awesome at ruining everything she touches. A proverbial Midas touch of suck.

Everything she touches turns to schitt?


She has the The Sadim touch

Sadim touch is the opposite of the Midas touch. With the Midas touch, everything you touch turns to gold. With the Sadim touch, everything you touch turns to shiat
 
2017-01-11 01:13:11 PM  

Smackledorfer: I wonder if some lack-wit will come in and Tellus how awesome charter schools are?


They're really great when the system is set up correctly.

Which is why this pick is the worst possible thing that could happen to them.

It would be much better for good charter schools if we had a Secretary of Education that reflexively hated them, as most Farkers do.
 
2017-01-11 01:16:04 PM  
DeVos has a plan to convert education to all-charters. You send your child to a charter, they get two friends to attend a charter, and those two friends each get two of their own friends. The process repeats until every child is in a charter school. If you have kids, it would be wise to get in on the program on the bottom floor.
 
2017-01-11 01:16:42 PM  

verbaltoxin: Smackledorfer: I wonder if some lack-wit will come in and Tellus how awesome charter schools are?

But don't you see?

1. The rich will get an awesome tax cut. This will free up money to start up for-profit charter schools.
2. YOU pay the same rate, plus more in sales taxes.
3. The government then gives you a coupon good for a discount towards the for-profit charter started by the Job Creators, whom are enjoying that nice tax cut.
4. Your kid gets taught the basics, plus bad science taught by teachers who don't believe in the fundamentals of biology and physics.
5. Test scores go up. There. Proof the charter school was better!

It's win-win if you're a DeVos.


Even the people who sorta kinda like charters think charters will make everything worse.

This is the one I was going to post: https://educationrealist.wordpress.com/2016/08/24/charters-the-​center-​wont-hold/

This is the greatest article on why charters caught on I have ever seen, and I'm so happy I stumbled across this while searching for that one: https://educationrealist.wordpress.com/2016/12/31/letter-to-bets​y-1-da​nce-with-the-ones-who-brung-him/  Seriously, this is good.
 
2017-01-11 01:17:26 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: There are tax dollars that aren't being funneled to a private company and she's going to fix that. Maybe we'll see funding diverted to the Excellent Really Impressive Charter Training Really Underserved Millionaires' Progency school.


img.fark.net
 
2017-01-11 01:20:10 PM  

ChrisDe: DeVos has a plan to convert education to all-charters. You send your child to a charter, they get two friends to attend a charter, and those two friends each get two of their own friends. The process repeats until every child is in a charter school. If you have kids, it would be wise to get in on the program on the bottom floor.


Yeah, this won't fly.

This guy's a bit more sanguine about innate ability than I am, and a lot more sanguine than I'm going to argue on Fark, but yeah no, this pretty much describes every parent behavior I've seen.

Here's what the reformers never tell you while asking for funds: Charter support requires unhappy parents. But most parents are quite pleased with their schools, and most parents understand, despite years of attempts to convince them otherwise, that native ability and peers matter more than teachers and curriculum. Changing innate ability levels is tough, so selling charters means finding parents who are unhappy with their childrens' peer groups. Put another way, all parents want their kids away from Those Kids. Charters are attractive to parents who can't use geography to achieve that aim.

Practically, this means selling charters primarily to two groups of parents: 1) highly motivated but poor black and Hispanic parents in schools overwhelmed with low ability, low motivated kids (the KIPPsell) 2) white suburban professional parents in schools that are either too brown or too competitive for their students, but who aren't rich enough for private school or a house in a less diverse district (the Summit sell, or the progressive suburban charter). These are very blue groups.

Understanding the charter constituency explains the discrepancies between the charter and election map, and why the discrepancies go mostly in one direction-that is, why are there blue spots on the map that don't have significant charter penetration?

In overwhelmingly white districts, parents aren't buying. Vermont, an all-white state, doesn't even have a charter law, last I checked, despite being so progressive that networks called the state the minute the polls closed. The California Bay Area doesn't have the battalion of charters you see in Los Angeles-and many of the ones that do exist are in Oakland, the only place in the Bay Area with enough blacks to support urban charters. The Bay Area and other wealthy suburbs with lots of Hispanics do get some limited support for progressive charters like Summit, in part because Hispanics aren't easily districted out in the suburbs without inviting lawsuits and in part because suburban comprehensive high schools can be very competitive and some parents would prefer a softer environment for their snowflakes.


In dominant red states,  charters aren't selling. Not a lot of charters in rural Mississippi and Alabama, despite the pockets of black voters, because teachers unions are historically weak in the South. Nothing of interest to conservatives. (See? Told you it wasn't about making education better.)

Chinese, Korean, and Indian immigrants tend to build ethnic cocoons which create Asian majorities in public schools. Increased Asian presence in schools drive out whites, who find their approach to education....unattractive, giving a whole new meaning to the term white flight.  Asian immigrants are much better than whites at crafting race-segregated environments, and they aren't terribly tolerant of blacks or Hispanics. Hence, not much need for charters. We'll see how this all plays out when we get to third or fourth generation Asian American in significant numbers. When they don't have enough numbers to create an enclave, Asian charter selection most closely mirrors whites-they like progressive charters or better yet, competitive ones.

None of this should be news. Michael Petrilli has been desperately trying to convince the suburbs that charters matter to them because their schools suck. Such a compelling message.
 
2017-01-11 01:21:12 PM  

edmo: Most of Trump's cabinet picks are designed to dissolve their departments, not run them.


Have you ever seen "Wild In the Streets?"
 
2017-01-11 01:27:18 PM  

raerae1980: Will-Mun: raerae1980: Will-Mun: raerae1980: edmo: Most of Trump's cabinet picks are designed to dissolve their departments, not run them.

...and then what happens?

And them a Libertarian Utopia starts where hard working men make bootstraps to pull themselves up by. Any Rand is resurrected, and John Galt becomes a real person and punches Obama in the mouth.

..........christ

Too much?

No, just................well, okay, YEA, it is.   *sobs*


Oh, uh... -Offers hug-

/There there
//We can cry together
 
2017-01-11 01:32:58 PM  

Will-Mun: raerae1980: Will-Mun: raerae1980: Will-Mun: raerae1980: edmo: Most of Trump's cabinet picks are designed to dissolve their departments, not run them.

...and then what happens?

And them a Libertarian Utopia starts where hard working men make bootstraps to pull themselves up by. Any Rand is resurrected, and John Galt becomes a real person and punches Obama in the mouth.

..........christ

Too much?

No, just................well, okay, YEA, it is.   *sobs*

Oh, uh... -Offers hug-

/There there
//We can cry together


*nods; still sobbing*
 
2017-01-11 01:43:42 PM  

edmo: Most of Trump's cabinet picks are designed to dissolve their departments, not run them.


So how long after Verizon's purchase of Yahoo will Marissa Mayer earn a cabinet spot?
 
2017-01-11 01:50:35 PM  
stopped reading at Calvin College
 
2017-01-11 01:51:50 PM  
Is Michigan competing with Kansas to be the worst-run state in America? Because I think they might have a shot at it.
 
2017-01-11 01:59:49 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Is Michigan competing with Kansas to be the worst-run state in America? Because I think they might have a shot at it.


Some days it seems like we are.

/at least I can go to the lake
 
2017-01-11 02:00:03 PM  
Look, you can't dismantle public schools in order to run profit-driven, segregated private schools with a Sec of Education who has public school system experience.
 
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