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2017-01-11 08:48:19 AM  
You reap what you sow comrade
 
2017-01-11 08:52:28 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-01-11 10:23:08 AM  
Ok, ok... I appreciate your lengthy article, but you are forgetting that step one is "Vodka."

Ok, carry on with your points...
 
2017-01-11 12:53:40 PM  
"The hacking campaign, according to this analysis, was designed to split the Democratic Party so that as president, Clinton would have to spend enormous amounts of time dealing with domestic discord driven by Republicans and progressives tricked into believing that the Democratic National Committee had rigged her nomination. For example, as part of the campaign, Russian hackers obtained emails from the DNC that were then sliced into small bits and put out on the internet through participants in the propaganda effort. In many of these instances, the real documents were misrepresented. For example, WikiLeaks released a number of May 2016 emails on the eve of the Democratic convention that made it appear as if the DNC was solely pulling for Clinton; in many online postings, the date was removed so readers would have no idea unless they searched for the original document that was written at a time when Sanders could not possibly have won the nomination."
 
2017-01-11 01:06:48 PM  

Print'sNotDead: "The hacking campaign, according to this analysis, was designed to split the Democratic Party so that as president, Clinton would have to spend enormous amounts of time dealing with domestic discord driven by Republicans and progressives tricked into believing that the Democratic National Committee had rigged her nomination. For example, as part of the campaign, Russian hackers obtained emails from the DNC that were then sliced into small bits and put out on the internet through participants in the propaganda effort. In many of these instances, the real documents were misrepresented. For example, WikiLeaks released a number of May 2016 emails on the eve of the Democratic convention that made it appear as if the DNC was solely pulling for Clinton; in many online postings, the date was removed so readers would have no idea unless they searched for the original document that was written at a time when Sanders could not possibly have won the nomination."

I'm not sure what was/is more frustrating to see- anyone at all supporting Clinton, or Sandersnistas claiming the primary was "rigged" based on extremely weak evidence, or anyone believing the idea that Russia hacked the general based on rumors from anonymous CIA sources.
 
2017-01-11 01:27:58 PM  

RanDomino: I'm not sure what was/is more frustrating to see- anyone at all supporting Clinton


Somehow I find President Trump the most frustrating thing, but I'll have 8 years to get used to it, and at least as a Moderate Democrat it's not like I'll have to spend that eight years watching my dreams of a Progressive America being burned to the ground.
 
2017-01-11 02:29:03 PM  
An article by Kurt Eichenwald. Bless your heart, subby.
 
2017-01-11 03:49:29 PM  
Man, all these people just keep fabricating these long and detailed documents about Donald Trump. At least they're not lazy liars.
 
2017-01-11 03:50:23 PM  
Just remember.....e-mails.
 
2017-01-11 03:52:52 PM  

Print'sNotDead: RanDomino: I'm not sure what was/is more frustrating to see- anyone at all supporting Clinton

Somehow I find President Trump the most frustrating thing, but I'll have 8 years to get used to it, and at least as a Moderate Democrat it's not like I'll have to spend that eight years watching my dreams of a Progressive America being burned to the ground.


img.fark.net

You'll be distracted by watching America burn to the ground.
 
2017-01-11 04:05:01 PM  
It's ok. Trump will install "Hack defense" and everything will be ok.
 
2017-01-11 04:05:58 PM  

Print'sNotDead: RanDomino: I'm not sure what was/is more frustrating to see- anyone at all supporting Clinton

Somehow I find President Trump the most frustrating thing, but I'll have 8 years to get used to it, and at least as a Moderate Democrat it's not like I'll have to spend that eight years watching my dreams of a Progressive America being burned to the ground.


Which aspect of America do you expect not to be burned to the ground?
 
2017-01-11 04:11:07 PM  

Charletron: Print'sNotDead: RanDomino: I'm not sure what was/is more frustrating to see- anyone at all supporting Clinton

Somehow I find President Trump the most frustrating thing, but I'll have 8 years to get used to it, and at least as a Moderate Democrat it's not like I'll have to spend that eight years watching my dreams of a Progressive America being burned to the ground.

Which aspect of America do you expect not to be burned to the ground?


Rich and wealthy?
 
2017-01-11 04:11:59 PM  
Recommended reading on the "New Russia" and how it operates.   This isn't your Stalin's authoritarianism. It doesn't just rule through fear and intimidation, though it will use it if situations dictates,  it scrambles all ideologies and movements to seem them absurd to sow apathy and cynicism among the populace.     Another good read is the Atlantic profile on Vladislav Surkov, head of the Kremlin's PR machine.

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2017-01-11 04:12:34 PM  

Charletron: Print'sNotDead: RanDomino: I'm not sure what was/is more frustrating to see- anyone at all supporting Clinton

Somehow I find President Trump the most frustrating thing, but I'll have 8 years to get used to it, and at least as a Moderate Democrat it's not like I'll have to spend that eight years watching my dreams of a Progressive America being burned to the ground.

Which aspect of America do you expect not to be burned to the ground?


The ground?
 
2017-01-11 04:20:35 PM  
And here I thought only little kids believed in a boogieman living in their closet.
 
2017-01-11 04:21:49 PM  
1: Russia is involved in a war. They are looking to end their involvement and withdraw. They are not looking to antagonize new opponents.

2: Media that spends no time or money investigating, while spending 99% of their time reprocessing statements from anonymous authoritarian figures and using sources such as

"according to information obtained by a Western intelligence service. "

3: Assuring their readership that the unverified reports are 100% reliable while decrying 'Fake News' when AlexJones does the exact same thing.

4: Attacking all dissenting voices that question the way(s) that they have arrived at these conclusions is not constructive. It sets a precedent that validates the efforts of those who wish to deceive their readership and appose honest journalism.

Ladies and Gentlemen of Fark-

Do not turn your eyes away from me because you think I am a liberal or because you think I am a conservative. Appreciate that I am on the side of the American people first and political parties LAST. Please take a moment to consider that perhaps the mainstream media is not on our side. Where as it may satisfy you to think that Russia is to blame for the election of Trump- you do yourself a disservice by submitting yourself to these propaganda agencies, regardless of their message.

If you truly believe that Russia has pursued hacking projects of any kind then please research these accusations OUTSIDE the corporate media because whether you find evidence for or against this premise you will be enriched beyond measure to have received opinions (whether they were wrong or right) that were offered honestly and with no corporate agenda.

 
2017-01-11 04:25:13 PM  

Print'sNotDead: RanDomino: I'm not sure what was/is more frustrating to see- anyone at all supporting Clinton

Somehow I find President Trump the most frustrating thing, but I'll have 8 years to get used to it, and at least as a Moderate Democrat it's not like I'll have to spend that eight years watching my dreams of a Progressive America being burned to the ground.


I do love how people assume that Trump will be reelected.
 
2017-01-11 04:27:22 PM  

InmanRoshi: Recommended reading on the "New Russia" and how it operates.   This isn't your Stalin's authoritarianism. It doesn't just rule through fear and intimidation, though it will use it if situations dictates,  it scrambles all ideologies and movements to seem them absurd to sow apathy and cynicism among the populace.     Another good read is the Atlantic profile on Vladislav Surkov, head of the Kremlin's PR machine.

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I've been researching Russia for the last few years. I was taken by your statement "This isn't your Stalin's authoritarianism". I can not agree more. I think that is where America often falls down when dealing with Russia. They imagine cold war era style politics and often get blindsided by reality.

One of the things that got me about Putin was that he ran on a platform of anti-corruption. It makes me snicker when the media reports 'Corrupt Putin News'. Even if most of it was true, it would pale in comparison to the corruption he has ended in the Russian federation. Ironic.
 
2017-01-11 04:29:06 PM  

Saiga410: Print'sNotDead: RanDomino: I'm not sure what was/is more frustrating to see- anyone at all supporting Clinton

Somehow I find President Trump the most frustrating thing, but I'll have 8 years to get used to it, and at least as a Moderate Democrat it's not like I'll have to spend that eight years watching my dreams of a Progressive America being burned to the ground.

I do love how people assume that Trump will be reelected.


I am tempted to put money on the idea that he will resign halfway through. I think he is excited about the presidency for the moment but once his own party starts obstructing him he may well get frustrated and resign.

Do you think Pence will win re-election?
 
2017-01-11 04:29:08 PM  

Saiga410: Print'sNotDead: RanDomino: I'm not sure what was/is more frustrating to see- anyone at all supporting Clinton

Somehow I find President Trump the most frustrating thing, but I'll have 8 years to get used to it, and at least as a Moderate Democrat it's not like I'll have to spend that eight years watching my dreams of a Progressive America being burned to the ground.

I do love how people assume that Trump will be reelected.


Right?  It's like that time people assumed that Hillary winning was a foregone conclusion.
 
2017-01-11 04:34:01 PM  

Nixon in China: InmanRoshi: Recommended reading on the "New Russia" and how it operates.   This isn't your Stalin's authoritarianism. It doesn't just rule through fear and intimidation, though it will use it if situations dictates,  it scrambles all ideologies and movements to seem them absurd to sow apathy and cynicism among the populace.     Another good read is the Atlantic profile on Vladislav Surkov, head of the Kremlin's PR machine.

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I've been researching Russia for the last few years. I was taken by your statement "This isn't your Stalin's authoritarianism". I can not agree more. I think that is where America often falls down when dealing with Russia. They imagine cold war era style politics and often get blindsided by reality.

One of the things that got me about Putin was that he ran on a platform of anti-corruption. It makes me snicker when the media reports 'Corrupt Putin News'. Even if most of it was true, it would pale in comparison to the corruption he has ended in the Russian federation. Ironic.


One man's corruption is another man's business.

But Putin plays games.  Games that threaten my people.  So I have no sympathy.
 
2017-01-11 04:43:55 PM  

Kegluneq: Nixon in China: InmanRoshi: Recommended reading on the "New Russia" and how it operates.   This isn't your Stalin's authoritarianism. It doesn't just rule through fear and intimidation, though it will use it if situations dictates,  it scrambles all ideologies and movements to seem them absurd to sow apathy and cynicism among the populace.     Another good read is the Atlantic profile on Vladislav Surkov, head of the Kremlin's PR machine.

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I've been researching Russia for the last few years. I was taken by your statement "This isn't your Stalin's authoritarianism". I can not agree more. I think that is where America often falls down when dealing with Russia. They imagine cold war era style politics and often get blindsided by reality.

One of the things that got me about Putin was that he ran on a platform of anti-corruption. It makes me snicker when the media reports 'Corrupt Putin News'. Even if most of it was true, it would pale in comparison to the corruption he has ended in the Russian federation. Ironic.

One man's corruption is another man's business.

But Putin plays games.  Games that threaten my people.  So I have no sympathy.


Rather than assuming an adversarial stance-

You could open a dialogue with him and let him know that his games are threatening your people. Perhaps he is a person that could be reasoned with and not a mindless barbarian who should be separated from the civilized world.
 
2017-01-11 05:05:58 PM  
Whoops. Looks like maybe the Russians over-hacked. You know that look you get when you realize you over-did something?

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2017-01-11 05:13:29 PM  

Nixon in China: Kegluneq: Nixon in China: InmanRoshi: Recommended reading on the "New Russia" and how it operates.   This isn't your Stalin's authoritarianism. It doesn't just rule through fear and intimidation, though it will use it if situations dictates,  it scrambles all ideologies and movements to seem them absurd to sow apathy and cynicism among the populace.     Another good read is the Atlantic profile on Vladislav Surkov, head of the Kremlin's PR machine.

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I've been researching Russia for the last few years. I was taken by your statement "This isn't your Stalin's authoritarianism". I can not agree more. I think that is where America often falls down when dealing with Russia. They imagine cold war era style politics and often get blindsided by reality.

One of the things that got me about Putin was that he ran on a platform of anti-corruption. It makes me snicker when the media reports 'Corrupt Putin News'. Even if most of it was true, it would pale in comparison to the corruption he has ended in the Russian federation. Ironic.

One man's corruption is another man's business.

But Putin plays games.  Games that threaten my people.  So I have no sympathy.

Rather than assuming an adversarial stance-

You could open a dialogue with him and let him know that his games are threatening your people. Perhaps he is a person that could be reasoned with and not a mindless barbarian who should be separated from the civilized world.


I have past family history with the Russian government.  Siberia-and-executions type history.  But I tried this approach you describe.  I spent the whole of the 2000's actually thinking to myself "hey, the USSR is gone, this is great.  Now bridges can be built, hatchets buried, wounds healed, and vodka shared.  Star Trek future, here we come."  At very nearly every turn, there was a Russian trying to quash that notion.

Then, these last few years, it has become all out war under false pretenses.  Anyone with a lick of sense saw the militias out in Crimea, appearing fully equipped almost overnight, for what they were.  But we still had to play the game, pretend that officially they were not there at Putin's behest, and were not helping to destabilize a sovereign nation.  Now there is ongoing war, and in the states it is a political football, where the reds change their stance every week and the blues simply lack the spine and understanding to keep up.  Staying out of it was probably the correct move for the US, but that did not mean "side with Putin".  And the US does not even have any moral high ground, since the eight years of the Bush administration were all about knocking over sovereign governments.

There are many great Russian people.  Some of the bravest, wisest, most compassionate people in the world, forged by the harsh stupidity of their homeland and their countrymen.  They are still prisoners of the career criminals and feckless pawns of that land.  And Putin is the prison warden.  He is a terrifyingly competent man, and a great leader ... for some values of great and some values of leader.
 
2017-01-11 05:16:58 PM  

Humble Pie Server: Saiga410: Print'sNotDead: RanDomino: I'm not sure what was/is more frustrating to see- anyone at all supporting Clinton

Somehow I find President Trump the most frustrating thing, but I'll have 8 years to get used to it, and at least as a Moderate Democrat it's not like I'll have to spend that eight years watching my dreams of a Progressive America being burned to the ground.

I do love how people assume that Trump will be reelected.

Right?  It's like that time people assumed that Hillary winning was a foregone conclusion.


Hillary losing was a much more historically correct outcome, just as Trump winning in 2020 is.
 
2017-01-11 05:19:33 PM  

facepalm.jpg: Man, all these people just keep fabricating these long and detailed documents about Donald Trump. At least they're not lazy liars.


It's looking like it wasn't fabricated. Not a word in it may be true, but it seems it was produced sincerely, not manufactured just for the sake of generating "fake news".
 
2017-01-11 07:08:46 PM  

Nixon in China: I've been researching Russia for the last few years.


Are you sure your not actually Russian comrade? There is no amount of water you won't carry for them and you show up in any Russia related thread instantly.
 
2017-01-11 07:34:00 PM  

Print'sNotDead: RanDomino: I'm not sure what was/is more frustrating to see- anyone at all supporting Clinton

Somehow I find President Trump the most frustrating thing, but I'll have 8 years to get used to it, and at least as a Moderate Democrat it's not like I'll have to spend that eight years watching my dreams of a Progressive America being burned to the ground.


What Moderate was running?!
 
2017-01-11 07:48:18 PM  

dababler: Print'sNotDead: RanDomino: I'm not sure what was/is more frustrating to see- anyone at all supporting Clinton

Somehow I find President Trump the most frustrating thing, but I'll have 8 years to get used to it, and at least as a Moderate Democrat it's not like I'll have to spend that eight years watching my dreams of a Progressive America being burned to the ground.

What Moderate was running?!


You know, now that you mention it, maybe a more Moderate approach from the Democrats and their platform could have won... nah, that's crazy talk. Everyone knows swing voters in the MidWest and the Rust Belt love them some Socialism.
 
2017-01-11 09:28:35 PM  
So we're just rolling with the notion that the unsourced, unsubstantiated, unverifiable report that even the publishing news agency (which is generous for Buzzfeed) admits they don't know for sure who or where or why it exists for sure...is 100% legitimate and a scathing, unassailable expose of the secret life of the PEOTUS?

No wonder they're alreasy trying to bury the moniker of "fake news."
 
2017-01-11 09:44:30 PM  

Nixon in China: InmanRoshi: Recommended reading on the "New Russia" and how it operates.   This isn't your Stalin's authoritarianism. It doesn't just rule through fear and intimidation, though it will use it if situations dictates,  it scrambles all ideologies and movements to seem them absurd to sow apathy and cynicism among the populace.     Another good read is the Atlantic profile on Vladislav Surkov, head of the Kremlin's PR machine.

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I've been researching Russia for the last few years. I was taken by your statement "This isn't your Stalin's authoritarianism". I can not agree more. I think that is where America often falls down when dealing with Russia. They imagine cold war era style politics and often get blindsided by reality.

One of the things that got me about Putin was that he ran on a platform of anti-corruption. It makes me snicker when the media reports 'Corrupt Putin News'. Even if most of it was true, it would pale in comparison to the corruption he has ended in the Russian federation. Ironic.


Transforming from feckless communist party corruption, to an oligarchical autocracy with all the sleaze that only laissez-faire can offer... yes, boy-o, he really fixed things up nicely.  We sure dodged a bullet there.

/and now you can't even report on Putin's corruption, if you're Russian
//because, you know, you'll end up dead in some Scooby Doo mystery, forever unsolved by the state
///hey how about those freedom rankings?
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2017-01-12 01:36:18 AM  

Nixon in China: 1: Russia is involved in a war. They are looking to end their involvement and withdraw. They are not looking to antagonize new opponents.

2: Media that spends no time or money investigating, while spending 99% of their time reprocessing statements from anonymous authoritarian figures and using sources such as

"according to information obtained by a Western intelligence service. "

3: Assuring their readership that the unverified reports are 100% reliable while decrying 'Fake News' when AlexJones does the exact same thing.

4: Attacking all dissenting voices that question the way(s) that they have arrived at these conclusions is not constructive. It sets a precedent that validates the efforts of those who wish to deceive their readership and appose honest journalism.

Ladies and Gentlemen of Fark-

Do not turn your eyes away from me because you think I am a liberal or because you think I am a conservative. Appreciate that I am on the side of the American people first and political parties LAST. Please take a moment to consider that perhaps the mainstream media is not on our side. Where as it may satisfy you to think that Russia is to blame for the election of Trump- you do yourself a disservice by submitting yourself to these propaganda agencies, regardless of their message.

If you truly believe that Russia has pursued hacking projects of any kind then please research these accusations OUTSIDE the corporate media because whether you find evidence for or against this premise you will be enriched beyond measure to have received opinions (whether they were wrong or right) that were offered honestly and with no corporate agenda.

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I know you are a troll, but for this I will assume you are arguing from a position of good faith and sincerity and do my best to address your issues point by point. 

1) The Russian War.  - When I was in school they use to tell us to look up at the moon and what we saw would be roughly equivalent to the size of the Soviet Union. This was always followed with the question "is Russia a European country or an Asian one?", and the purpose of that question was never to come up with an answer but rather highlight that the vastness of the country means that there is an incredibly diverse mix of ethnic and religious groups competing ideologies.Historically (Post-USSR) the most concerning of these ethnic regions have been in the Caucuses, mainly the Chechen Republic and the Republic of Dagestan, where groups like ISIS and the Caucus Emirate take advantage of Islam being the predominant religion, and even foreign countries like Georgia have sought to contest Russian claims to the region. It is more important to note whythese areas are a concern and that is because of the vast amount of Oil and Natural Gas that the region produces and but also that the main Russian Oil Artery, the Druzhba Pipeline, runs through that region. So to Russia the security of this area is an incredibly crucial line item and that gets accomplished through the pacification of domestic and foreign partisans; and this is where Syria presents a golden opportunity for Russian interest. 

Russia has a vested interest in the region not only because it lies within their sphere of influence, but also because of the region's proximity to the Caucuses means that there is a very real threat of religious conflagration. Remember, fourty-four percent of Russia's federal budget revenue comes from oil and gas, so their insistence about participation in counter-terrorism in Syria and Turkey is as much economic interest as it is humanitarian. Politically Syria allows something that hasn't been around since Brezhnev  - the chance to expand Russian influence at the expense of NATO. To this end they have already begun construction of a new air base in Latakia, an expansion of the naval base in Tartus, and with Russian diplomatic efforts in Turkey it's clear to see that Russia has no intention of backing down or "withdrawing" as you put it because they have no need to. Without a strong and united NATO presence in that theater, Vladimir Putin will do as all "great" Russian leaders have done since Ivan the III and expand the empire. 

2,3) Regarding the Fourth Estate - There is still an incredibly large amount of investigative journalism going from sites like ProPublica and papers like The Boston Globe or The Detroit Free Press. In this day and age it is easy to mistake investigative journalism and entertainment shows who present their opinion as investigative journalism, but there is a stark difference between the two. That being said, secret informants and the protection of sources is a fundamental right accorded to reporters, they don't have to expose their sources because in many cases those sources face very real retaliation from the topics of those investigations; but they are expected to verify the claims using multiple independent sources. 

However to your specific charge, Buzzfeed never claimed that their document dump was 100% reliable, quite the opposite as a matter of fact: 

"A dossier, compiled by a person who has claimed to be a former British intelligence official, alleges Russia has compromising information on Trump. The allegations are unverified, and the report contains errors."

4) Dissenting Voices - On this point I fundamentally disagree, we need to question and approach arguments that people make in the fashion of a prosecutor. If someone on a internet message board says that current journalist don't do their job thus they shouldn't be listened to and instead listen to a presenter on youtube, then my first question is what qualifications does this presenter have? Is it because he identifies as Trump supporter? How much stock should I put into the reporting of a person who says that if Trump is Impeached and removed from office then there will be Civil War? Why should I listen to someone who is actively encouraging of people like youtube contributor Ramzpaul?

Keep in mind Ramzpaul once said in a video entitled "The Alt Right and Boundaries" posted to The RAMZPAUL Show Facebook page: 

"The Nazi's are all gone and they don't exist any more, but we do have this thing called Neo-Nazi's. And the Neo-nazi's started after World War II, and almost all of them have been false-flagged, heavily jewish-funded, or government funded to discredit national socialist organizations" Begins at the three minute mark

My final question would be, if this person holds their opinion in such a low regard as to not even bother to present it or themselves in a semi-professional fashion then why should I consider it?
 
2017-01-12 03:26:40 PM  
Prepare your anus, RAMZPAUL is going in dry
 
2017-01-12 03:54:29 PM  

Print'sNotDead: Everyone knows swing voters in the MidWest and the Rust Belt love them some Socialism.

That region was never the heartland of unions, apparently.
 
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