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(The Epoch Times)   The day Massachusetts prison inmates took over their prison, prepared for war. "When it was apparent the prisoners were not going to go back into their cells, the (officers) backed out of the unit"   ( theepochtimes.com) divider line
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2017-01-11 04:12:29 AM  
I the U.S., prisoners break tables, and television sets. In Brazil, dozens get their heads chopped off and their hearts cut out of their bodies.
 
2017-01-11 05:43:08 AM  

Ooba Tooba: I the U.S., prisoners break tables, and television sets. In Brazil, dozens get their heads chopped off and their hearts cut out of their bodies.


With the way prisons have their guards stand down and how inmates are radicalizing even more, I'm sure that scenario in America isn't too far behind.
 
2017-01-11 06:19:48 AM  
The maximum security prison in the central Massachusetts town of Shirley

Boston is not in central MA.
 
2017-01-11 07:13:56 AM  

enry: The maximum security prison in the central Massachusetts town of Shirley

Boston is not in central MA.


And don't call me Shirley.
 
2017-01-11 07:21:40 AM  

enry: The maximum security prison in the central Massachusetts town of Shirley

Boston is not in central MA.


Another friendly reminder, Massachusetts exists outside of 128.
 
2017-01-11 07:37:37 AM  
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2017-01-11 07:44:19 AM  

Ooba Tooba: I the U.S., prisoners break tables, and television sets. In Brazil, dozens get their heads chopped off and their hearts cut out of their bodies.


About that....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico_State_Penitentiary_riot
 
2017-01-11 07:45:02 AM  

enry: The maximum security prison in the central Massachusetts town of Shirley

Boston is not in central MA.


And Shirley isn't in or near Boston.
 
2017-01-11 07:54:35 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: enry: The maximum security prison in the central Massachusetts town of Shirley

Boston is not in central MA.

Another friendly reminder, Massachusetts exists outside of 128.


These days it's 495, but point.

/Billerica
 
2017-01-11 08:07:13 AM  
My scout master was an FBI negotiator and helped end a standoff/riot of Cuban prisoners in the 1980s. He came back to our scout meetings a few weeks later and brought in samples of the weapons the prisoners made... I clearly remember how easy and clever it seemed that one could make a weapon with a sharpened spoon or tooth brush and use a taped salt shaker as a handle. They also made some machete looking ones by breaking up cots and using the metal from the frames. If I remember correctly, they started with the simpler ones but took over a prison metal shop and the weapons grew more sophisticated a few days later.

And that's how I got my 'prison shank' merit badge.
 
2017-01-11 08:13:35 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: enry: The maximum security prison in the central Massachusetts town of Shirley

Boston is not in central MA.

Another friendly reminder, Massachusetts exists outside of 128.


But there really anything past Springfield to visit. Western Mass exists so that our state wouldn't be as small as Rhode Island.
 
2017-01-11 08:23:12 AM  
....but how did the Giants end up in a Massachusetts prison?
 
2017-01-11 08:25:06 AM  
WTF. They named Souza-Baranowski Correctional Center after Dinesh d'Souza?

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2017-01-11 08:27:22 AM  
So what's to stop them from pumping in knock-out gas, then dealing with the prisoners?  Sure, they're rioting, but they are still confined in the prison.
 
2017-01-11 08:28:46 AM  

kbronsito: And that's how I got my 'prison shank' merit badge.


Did you also get your toilet pruno badge as well?  Glad to see the Scouts are keeping things relevant.
 
2017-01-11 08:30:53 AM  

kbronsito: My scout master was an FBI negotiator and helped end a standoff/riot of Cuban prisoners in the 1980s. He came back to our scout meetings a few weeks later and brought in samples of the weapons the prisoners made... I clearly remember how easy and clever it seemed that one could make a weapon with a sharpened spoon or tooth brush and use a taped salt shaker as a handle. They also made some machete looking ones by breaking up cots and using the metal from the frames. If I remember correctly, they started with the simpler ones but took over a prison metal shop and the weapons grew more sophisticated a few days later.

And that's how I got my 'prison shank' merit badge.


Oh, you got yours the easy way.  I got mine when I earned my "Prison Informant" Badge and my "Prison Shower Assistant" badge.
 
2017-01-11 08:38:17 AM  

htomc: So what's to stop them from pumping in knock-out gas, then dealing with the prisoners?  Sure, they're rioting, but they are still confined in the prison.


I always wondered what happened to the warden getting on the bullhorn telling the prisoners they have 5 minutes to return to their cells or deadly force will be deployed.  They actually used Marines to put down the riot on Alcatraz.  They used live weapons.  Not those taped before a studio audience.
 
2017-01-11 09:06:00 AM  

htomc: So what's to stop them from pumping in knock-out gas, then dealing with the prisoners?  Sure, they're rioting, but they are still confined in the prison.


Because knock-out gas doesn't work like the movies. Knocking somebody out is dangerous in a hospital setting with an anesthesiologist on hand. Filling a prison with it will kill people. Russia tried it a few years ago during a hostage situation and killed more hostages with the gas than the terrorists did with weapons.
 
2017-01-11 09:07:16 AM  

kbronsito: My scout master was an FBI negotiator and helped end a standoff/riot of Cuban prisoners in the 1980s. He came back to our scout meetings a few weeks later and brought in samples of the weapons the prisoners made... I clearly remember how easy and clever it seemed that one could make a weapon with a sharpened spoon or tooth brush and use a taped salt shaker as a handle. They also made some machete looking ones by breaking up cots and using the metal from the frames. If I remember correctly, they started with the simpler ones but took over a prison metal shop and the weapons grew more sophisticated a few days later.

And that's how I got my 'prison shank' merit badge.


Sounds like a cool SM.

Anyways, here's an idea for prison administrators; if you ever have a riot and prisoners take over the prison or a section thereof, let them keep it. Actually negotiate with them that "fine, you've got this...we'll just send you food and other necessities."
One of two things will happen, they either realize that now they can adjust the things they wanted to such as lights out and what not, or, they well start bickering among themselves, then fight for power and a splinter group will let the guards back in out of spite.

Either way, you either give the administration some time off, or (if they pull it off) reduce headcount and costs.
 
2017-01-11 09:10:29 AM  

htomc: So what's to stop them from pumping in knock-out gas, then dealing with the prisoners?  Sure, they're rioting, but they are still confined in the prison.


I'm guessing the pepper spray they sue instead has a greater "therapeutic" range, the Russians at least have had some trouble getting the dosage of knock out gas just right.

Harry Freakstorm: htomc: So what's to stop them from pumping in knock-out gas, then dealing with the prisoners?  Sure, they're rioting, but they are still confined in the prison.

I always wondered what happened to the warden getting on the bullhorn telling the prisoners they have 5 minutes to return to their cells or deadly force will be deployed.  They actually used Marines to put down the riot on Alcatraz.  They used live weapons.  Not those taped before a studio audience.


Dead prisoners don't generate any revenue? Cops hogging the bag limit? Someone showing enough humanity for a change not to employ lethal force unless absolutely necessary?
 
2017-01-11 09:34:24 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Because knock-out gas doesn't work like the movies. Knocking somebody out is dangerous in a hospital setting with an anesthesiologist on hand. Filling a prison with it will kill people. Russia tried it a few years ago during a hostage situation and killed more hostages with the gas than the terrorists did with weapons.


If I recall correctly, I think a lot of those Russian people suffocated or drowned, because they had collapsed face-down in their clothing and in rain puddles outside in their gas-induced comas.  A tragedy. But very, very Russian in its execution.
 
2017-01-11 09:36:51 AM  
Did they ever find Mickey and Mallory?

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2017-01-11 09:37:04 AM  

Resident Muslim: kbronsito: My scout master was an FBI negotiator and helped end a standoff/riot of Cuban prisoners in the 1980s. He came back to our scout meetings a few weeks later and brought in samples of the weapons the prisoners made... I clearly remember how easy and clever it seemed that one could make a weapon with a sharpened spoon or tooth brush and use a taped salt shaker as a handle. They also made some machete looking ones by breaking up cots and using the metal from the frames. If I remember correctly, they started with the simpler ones but took over a prison metal shop and the weapons grew more sophisticated a few days later.

And that's how I got my 'prison shank' merit badge.

Sounds like a cool SM.

Anyways, here's an idea for prison administrators; if you ever have a riot and prisoners take over the prison or a section thereof, let them keep it. Actually negotiate with them that "fine, you've got this...we'll just send you food and other necessities."
One of two things will happen, they either realize that now they can adjust the things they wanted to such as lights out and what not, or, they well start bickering among themselves, then fight for power and a splinter group will let the guards back in out of spite.

Either way, you either give the administration some time off, or (if they pull it off) reduce headcount and costs.


That ... would be an abysmal idea.  When a person is imprisoned, the state takes full and legal responsibility for that person's welfare.  This is black and white no one's gonna argue it set it stone legal stuff.  Letting the prisoners run the show creates a situation where almost invariably some of the people you have responsibility for are going to be injured or killed, by other prisoners with grudges, or because they disagree with the riot.  Either way, by making no real attempt to regain control you are directly risking the lives of such individuals.  This is not an acceptable outcome - legally or morally.  Yes, things like pepper gas or attempts to regain control also have the potential to result in harm to those people in the confusion, but NOT trying and just letting them get on with the murderin' is not a superior outcome.

/The ONE situation I might agree with you would involve prisoners who specifically, carefully, and verifiably showed that no one was getting hurt in such an uprising other than guards possibly coming in to take control back.  That one you might well be able to sit back as you've stated and see how it goes.  Even that would be risky as hell though, because in a pressure-cooker situation like that shiat can change in a heartbeat - and well before you can do anything about it.
 
2017-01-11 09:40:53 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: I always wondered what happened to the warden getting on the bullhorn telling the prisoners they have 5 minutes to return to their cells or deadly force will be deployed.


Tennessee v Garner makes it more difficult. It's not considered acceptable to wantonly murder non-participatory inmates.
 
2017-01-11 09:41:10 AM  

Ooba Tooba: I the U.S., prisoners break tables, and television sets. In Brazil, dozens get their heads chopped off and their hearts cut out of their bodies.


Brazilians die in every riot!
 
2017-01-11 09:44:26 AM  

kbronsito: My scout master was an FBI negotiator and helped end a standoff/riot of Cuban prisoners in the 1980s. He came back to our scout meetings a few weeks later and brought in samples of the weapons the prisoners made... I clearly remember how easy and clever it seemed that one could make a weapon with a sharpened spoon or tooth brush and use a taped salt shaker as a handle. They also made some machete looking ones by breaking up cots and using the metal from the frames. If I remember correctly, they started with the simpler ones but took over a prison metal shop and the weapons grew more sophisticated a few days later.

And that's how I got my 'prison shank' merit badge.


I've always wanted to make one of those matchstick head powered shotguns, like that one German guy used to try and escape, but it's like 100 kinds of illegal to do that kind of stuff where I spend most of my free time.

Sometimes, I miss living in the countryside. I used to be able to shoot bows and stuff in my back yard.
 
2017-01-11 10:06:35 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Resident Muslim: kbronsito: My scout master was an FBI negotiator and helped end a standoff/riot of Cuban prisoners in the 1980s. He came back to our scout meetings a few weeks later and brought in samples of the weapons the prisoners made... I clearly remember how easy and clever it seemed that one could make a weapon with a sharpened spoon or tooth brush and use a taped salt shaker as a handle. They also made some machete looking ones by breaking up cots and using the metal from the frames. If I remember correctly, they started with the simpler ones but took over a prison metal shop and the weapons grew more sophisticated a few days later.

And that's how I got my 'prison shank' merit badge.

Sounds like a cool SM.

Anyways, here's an idea for prison administrators; if you ever have a riot and prisoners take over the prison or a section thereof, let them keep it. Actually negotiate with them that "fine, you've got this...we'll just send you food and other necessities."
One of two things will happen, they either realize that now they can adjust the things they wanted to such as lights out and what not, or, they well start bickering among themselves, then fight for power and a splinter group will let the guards back in out of spite.

Either way, you either give the administration some time off, or (if they pull it off) reduce headcount and costs.

That ... would be an abysmal idea.  When a person is imprisoned, the state takes full and legal responsibility for that person's welfare.  This is black and white no one's gonna argue it set it stone legal stuff.  Letting the prisoners run the show creates a situation where almost invariably some of the people you have responsibility for are going to be injured or killed, by other prisoners with grudges, or because they disagree with the riot.  Either way, by making no real attempt to regain control you are directly risking the lives of such individuals.  This is not an acceptable outcome - legally or morally.  Yes, things like pepper gas or attempts to regain control also have the potential to result in harm to those people in the confusion, but NOT trying and just letting them get on with the murderin' is not a superior outcome.

/The ONE situation I might agree with you would involve prisoners who specifically, carefully, and verifiably showed that no one was getting hurt in such an uprising other than guards possibly coming in to take control back.  That one you might well be able to sit back as you've stated and see how it goes.  Even that would be risky as hell though, because in a pressure-cooker situation like that shiat can change in a heartbeat - and well before you can do anything about it.


You also can't transfer new inmates into a rioting penitentiary, which disrupts the whole prison system. Theres also going to be damage to prison property the longer it goes on. Using the prisoners for a social science experiment is not gonna outweigh the need to end the riot quickly while preserving lives and property.
 
2017-01-11 10:08:08 AM  
Hey!!! Maybe a new Marky Mark movie in the works!
 
2017-01-11 10:09:40 AM  

macadamnut: [img.fark.net image 500x533]


OK, why does this pic prompt GIS to suggest "Meacham Grove - Forest Preserve District of DuPage County?"
 
2017-01-11 10:17:23 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: macadamnut: [img.fark.net image 500x533]

OK, why does this pic prompt GIS to suggest "Meacham Grove - Forest Preserve District of DuPage County?"


No idea, I stole it from another farker.
 
2017-01-11 10:21:30 AM  

macadamnut: BarkingUnicorn: macadamnut: [img.fark.net image 500x533]

OK, why does this pic prompt GIS to suggest "Meacham Grove - Forest Preserve District of DuPage County?"

No idea, I stole it from another farker.


And if you GIS "meacham grove forest addition" you get a bunch of weird memes. The original pic is obviously Walter Sobchak in his bowling shirt. Are there Koalas in Illinois?
 
2017-01-11 10:28:36 AM  
I've unfortunately spent some non-quality time in prison. Attica, Clinton, Auburn (the worst). One of the first things new guys learn is that the sprinkler heads in the concrete and steel chow hall do NOT spray H2O.
 
2017-01-11 10:29:07 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: kbronsito: My scout master was an FBI negotiator and helped end a standoff/riot of Cuban prisoners in the 1980s. He came back to our scout meetings a few weeks later and brought in samples of the weapons the prisoners made... I clearly remember how easy and clever it seemed that one could make a weapon with a sharpened spoon or tooth brush and use a taped salt shaker as a handle. They also made some machete looking ones by breaking up cots and using the metal from the frames. If I remember correctly, they started with the simpler ones but took over a prison metal shop and the weapons grew more sophisticated a few days later.

And that's how I got my 'prison shank' merit badge.

Oh, you got yours the easy way.  I got mine when I earned my "Prison Informant" Badge and my "Prison Shower Assistant" badge.


Shower shark much these days? (g)
 
2017-01-11 10:40:14 AM  

litespeed74: Hey!!! Maybe a new Marky Mark movie in the works!


Everybody had enough of that guy since God knows when.  When I went to college everybody was surprised when I told them I was not a fan of Mark Wahlberg but yet grew up in Dorchester myself.  They just assumed everybody liked him there. He was not a popular dude in those parts.  Doubt it's changed.
 
2017-01-11 11:02:00 AM  
 
2017-01-11 12:01:03 PM  

misterrperrfect: I've unfortunately spent some non-quality time in prison. Attica, Clinton, Auburn (the worst). One of the first things new guys learn is that the sprinkler heads in the concrete and steel chow hall do NOT spray H2O.


I work at a state prison in Michigan and all the sprinklers I've seen go off use water, though it comes out oily black at first.  Something to do with the old piping system I've been told.
 
2017-01-11 05:42:20 PM  
I toured Oregon State Penitentiary when I worked for the Oregon DOJ.  You get a five-minute orientation at the beginning explaining that none of the guards with your group will be armed and that there is a risk you will be taken hostage.  Then you sign the waiver and hope this isn't your "lucky" day.  If I were female I probably would have declined, especially in hindsight.  On our tour two inmates whipped it out and started pumping away while staring at the women in our group (both of whom were already in D Seg).
/csb
 
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