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(CBC)   2016 Father Of The Year, recently convicted of causing son's death by eschewing medicine for garlic and horseradish, is back on the speaking circuit shilling more "natural" cures   (cbc.ca ) divider line
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2017-01-11 02:50:11 AM  
"By definition, I begin, Alternative Medicine, I continue, has either not been proved to work, or been proved not to work.
Do you know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work?
'Medicine'."
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2017-01-11 03:27:26 AM  
"Who am I to say that just because something happened that was an accident the guy regrets - his son died - that he shouldn't have a job?"

No, but his snake oil should bear a disclaimer saying "My bullshiat 'cures' killed my son"
 
2017-01-11 03:29:36 AM  
Wow that dude looks so farking Canadian its not even funny
 
2017-01-11 03:41:47 AM  
Someone call Trump, we got his surgeon general here.
 
2017-01-11 04:31:54 AM  
There's a reason why they call it "alternative" medicine. If it worked, they'd just call it "medicine".
 
2017-01-11 05:17:42 AM  

Mugato: There's a reason why they call it "alternative" medicine. If it worked, they'd just call it "medicine".


Obligatory. Watch if you haven't. Watch again if you have.

 
2017-01-11 07:17:03 AM  
Prosecutors HATE him.
Local dad uses one weird trick to permanently  stop son from coughing.
 
2017-01-11 07:27:17 AM  
Holistic and natural medicine can help to maintain health, and has shown to be effective in a few cases. But, when it doesn't have an effect on the sickness or problem, it's time to see a real doctor. I've seen on Fark and numerous other locations that cannabis oil is some sort of panacea; is this not the exact same thing? Or are people deluded enough to believe that cannabis  (and its extracts) is better than modern medical science?

Same goes for the "pray your pain away" ideas
 
2017-01-11 07:28:12 AM  
"Court heard the couple on tape explaining to police they prefer naturopathic remedies because of their family's negative experiences with the medical system."

As compared to the positive experience they've had with the naturopathic remedies that resulted in their son's death? I seriously thought that this would have them embracing the medical system and eschewing naturopathy.  I guess some people never learn.
 
2017-01-11 07:40:43 AM  
We should start a gofundme to have someone follow this guy around to his speaking engagements and ask about his sons death after every single one.
 
2017-01-11 07:42:35 AM  
I recently gave my 15 month-old a bite of prime rib with horseradish sauce and it was really funny watching his first encounter with horseradish.

/got nuthin'
 
2017-01-11 07:43:52 AM  
"Alt medicine" is a bunch of stupid bullshiat, just like the "alt right".
 
2017-01-11 07:45:35 AM  

Aezetyr: Holistic and natural medicine can help to maintain health, and has shown to be effective in a few cases. But, when it doesn't have an effect on the sickness or problem, it's time to see a real doctor. I've seen on Fark and numerous other locations that cannabis oil is some sort of panacea; is this not the exact same thing? Or are people deluded enough to believe that cannabis  (and its extracts) is better than modern medical science?

Same goes for the "pray your pain away" ideas


Those claims about cannabis oil being a miracle are also bullshiat.
 
2017-01-11 07:46:46 AM  

Begoggle: "Alt medicine" is a bunch of stupid bullshiat, just like the "alt right".


It's not medicine, and it's not right.
 
2017-01-11 07:50:13 AM  

Aezetyr: Holistic and natural medicine can help to maintain health, and has shown to be effective in a few cases. But, when it doesn't have an effect on the sickness or problem, it's time to see a real doctor. I've seen on Fark and numerous other locations that cannabis oil is some sort of panacea; is this not the exact same thing? Or are people deluded enough to believe that cannabis  (and its extracts) is better than modern medical science?

Same goes for the "pray your pain away" ideas


Not at all. Marijuana is a powerful medicine, or at least the cannabidiols found in marijuana, as they are scientifically proven to help for dozens of ailments in addition to the millions of anecdotes testifying to that fact. Garlic, hot peppers, and horseradish are not comparable in the slightest. Cannabis, in many cases, is better than traditional medicine. You know the painkiller epidemic? Marijuana has helped people get off those painfully addictive prescribed drugs onto something better with less undesirable side effects. Epilepsy and Crohn's is another example where marijuana (CBD) has proven to help some people better than traditional meds.
 
2017-01-11 07:55:57 AM  

Begoggle: "Alt medicine" is a bunch of stupid bullshiat, just like the "alt right".


Does this mean alt-medicine can't get a girlfriend?
 
2017-01-11 07:58:48 AM  

machoprogrammer: Aezetyr: Holistic and natural medicine can help to maintain health, and has shown to be effective in a few cases. But, when it doesn't have an effect on the sickness or problem, it's time to see a real doctor. I've seen on Fark and numerous other locations that cannabis oil is some sort of panacea; is this not the exact same thing? Or are people deluded enough to believe that cannabis  (and its extracts) is better than modern medical science?

Same goes for the "pray your pain away" ideas

Those claims about cannabis oil being a miracle are also bullshiat.


I am sure Charlotte Figi would agree with you... it has had absolutely no impact on her epilepsy.
 
2017-01-11 07:59:38 AM  

Ms. Bea Haven: "Court heard the couple on tape explaining to police they prefer naturopathic remedies because of their family's negative experiences with the medical system."

As compared to the positive experience they've had with the naturopathic remedies that resulted in their son's death? I seriously thought that this would have them embracing the medical system and eschewing naturopathy.  I guess some people never learn.


The section here on inconsistency seems tailor made for this situation. You will have to scroll down (or search for Inconsistency) . The page does not seem to have index tags.
 
2017-01-11 08:08:53 AM  
I'm sorry, why is he not serving time for murder?
 
2017-01-11 08:16:58 AM  

Aezetyr: Holistic and natural medicine can help to maintain health, and has shown to be effective in a few cases. But, when it doesn't have an effect on the sickness or problem, it's time to see a real doctor. I've seen on Fark and numerous other locations that cannabis oil is some sort of panacea; is this not the exact same thing? Or are people deluded enough to believe that cannabis  (and its extracts) is better than modern medical science?

Same goes for the "pray your pain away" ideas


Cannabis oil won't cure anything, but it has some recognized medical benefits, for pain, nausea, anxiety, and a few other things. Lumping it in with things like colloidal silver, and other such snake oil is disingenuous, as it has a legitimate medical use.  Though I agree it's no way some miracle drug.
 
2017-01-11 08:17:52 AM  
If the market for this shiat gets much bigger, expect the GOP to start lamenting how burdensome government regulation in health care is stunting or economy.
 
2017-01-11 08:25:10 AM  

Aezetyr: Holistic and natural medicine can help to maintain health, and has shown to be effective in a few cases. But, when it doesn't have an effect on the sickness or problem, it's time to see a real doctor. I've seen on Fark and numerous other locations that cannabis oil is some sort of panacea; is this not the exact same thing? Or are people deluded enough to believe that cannabis  (and its extracts) is better than modern medical science?

Same goes for the "pray your pain away" ideas


The only time i've seen cannabis oil referenced here was with treatmemt with sezures, with which it actually helped a lot. So, with your first point it passes muster.
 
2017-01-11 08:25:14 AM  
I prescribe a horseradish enema for him - every day for the rest of his life.
 
2017-01-11 08:27:18 AM  
People rightly get pissed at big pharma when they find out stuff like the concealment of Prozac effects on teens. The most tested pharmaceutical drug of its era had a bunch of adverse reactions on young people that weren't found out early due to most of the testing being done on adults. But as the drug went to market and it was given to adolescents, the data started to add up on them. The company obviously dragged its feet on revealing damaging info.

But that kind of feet dragging is nothing compared to the denial, lying and obsfuscation from these natural remedy companies. They go from hiding the lack of data supporting that herb X helps with Y to selling you a jar of pills that don't even really contain herb X because it is cheaper to put something else in there. Perhaps worst, sometimes they dilute pharmaceuticals that can't be sold with that stuff. Those natural boner pills often contain small amounts of viagra manufactured by companies who aren't meeting safety standards for producing pharmaceuticals. This is all woefully unregulated and you are already stupid enough to buy into it, so who is gonna catch them?
 
2017-01-11 08:31:50 AM  

Boo_Guy: We should start a gofundme to have someone follow this guy around to his speaking engagements and ask about his sons death after every single one.


Works for me.

lake_huron: I'm sorry, why is he not serving time for murder?


Because there is no justice.

Seriously, fark this guy.  His son deserved better.
 
2017-01-11 08:32:03 AM  

Ms. Bea Haven: "Court heard the couple on tape explaining to police they prefer naturopathic remedies because of their family's negative experiences with the medical system."

As compared to the positive experience they've had with the naturopathic remedies that resulted in their son's death? I seriously thought that this would have them embracing the medical system and eschewing naturopathy.  I guess some people never learn.


Part of the problem is that people don't like to admit they are wrong about something they are invested in.  Losing a child may have made it harder to do so.

Imagine having to admit to yourself (and your family) that your bad decisions directly caused your child's death.  Much easier to slip further down the rabbit hole and pretend otherwise.

/You're not wrong though, can't imagine what actual medicine could have done worse than this.
 
2017-01-11 08:32:41 AM  
How can you kill your kid and not feel bad? Be a psychopath. A natural one.
 
2017-01-11 08:46:17 AM  

Persnickety: If the market for this shiat gets much bigger, expect the GOP to start lamenting how burdensome government regulation in health care is stunting or economy.


They already have, in a way.  Because of generous gifts from the Snakeoil Industrial Complex, lawmakers banned the FDA from demanding proof of efficacy of health claims from supplements sold out of garages and via pyramid schemes.  Sellers can claim a bottle of rocks "boosts the immune system!" on the front, just as long as they say in teensy print on the back "not intended to diagnosis or treat any disease."
 
2017-01-11 08:54:06 AM  
"On January 10, Stephan is scheduled to speak about "how his family members suffered from mental illness and were made well,"

I hate to break this to you Buddy, but you're still mentally ill.
 
2017-01-11 08:59:33 AM  

his name is my name too: machoprogrammer: Aezetyr: Holistic and natural medicine can help to maintain health, and has shown to be effective in a few cases. But, when it doesn't have an effect on the sickness or problem, it's time to see a real doctor. I've seen on Fark and numerous other locations that cannabis oil is some sort of panacea; is this not the exact same thing? Or are people deluded enough to believe that cannabis  (and its extracts) is better than modern medical science?

Same goes for the "pray your pain away" ideas

Those claims about cannabis oil being a miracle are also bullshiat.

I am sure Charlotte Figi would agree with you... it has had absolutely no impact on her epilepsy.


From your own link:

While anecdotal reports have sparked interest in treatment with cannabinoids,[8] there is not enough evidence to draw conclusions about their safety or efficacy.

Cannabis is certainly helpful for pain, but the idiots spewing "it cures cancer and HIV but the government doesn't want you to know, man" makes it hard to take that shiat seriously
 
2017-01-11 09:04:21 AM  

Smoking GNU: The only time i've seen cannabis oil referenced here was with treatmemt with sezures, with which it actually helped a lot. So, with your first point it passes muster.


I seem to remember a story about it helping someone with Tourettes?

/  Yeah, found it. German guy with severe tourettes on Youtube.
//   FSM, that looks uncomfortable.
 
2017-01-11 09:05:01 AM  
"Using my treatment methods, my kid died. Now, you can achieve the same results!"
 
2017-01-11 09:06:24 AM  

brilett: I prescribe a horseradish enema for him - every day for the rest of his life.


Administered by an actual horse?
 
2017-01-11 09:08:31 AM  
If dad took his kid to a doctor, he would undermine his family's quackery empire. Capitalism is already on shaky ground. Don't let socialist medicine win.
 
2017-01-11 09:08:56 AM  

Persnickety: If the market for this shiat gets much bigger, expect the GOP to start lamenting how burdensome government regulation in health care is stunting or economy.


Too late:
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/when-politics-intrudes-in-science-ba​s​ed-medicine/
 
2017-01-11 09:13:55 AM  

Stands With A Tiny Fist: Smoking GNU: The only time i've seen cannabis oil referenced here was with treatmemt with sezures, with which it actually helped a lot. So, with your first point it passes muster.

I seem to remember a story about it helping someone with Tourettes?

/  Yeah, found it. German guy with severe tourettes on Youtube.
//   FSM, that looks uncomfortable.


I saw something recently about a retired US sherriff, possibly from Arizona or Nevada, who has awful Parkinson's.  His twitching is ferocious.  I can't remember whether he smoked, vaped or ate it, but the effect was amazing and he was able to get up and offer the interviewer a cup of coffee.  He said in closing that he was wrong in his opinions about the drug and that he fully supported legalisation.
 
2017-01-11 09:15:52 AM  
This action prove that his sentence was too short.
 
2017-01-11 09:18:38 AM  

machoprogrammer: his name is my name too: machoprogrammer: Aezetyr: Holistic and natural medicine can help to maintain health, and has shown to be effective in a few cases. But, when it doesn't have an effect on the sickness or problem, it's time to see a real doctor. I've seen on Fark and numerous other locations that cannabis oil is some sort of panacea; is this not the exact same thing? Or are people deluded enough to believe that cannabis  (and its extracts) is better than modern medical science?

Same goes for the "pray your pain away" ideas

Those claims about cannabis oil being a miracle are also bullshiat.

I am sure Charlotte Figi would agree with you... it has had absolutely no impact on her epilepsy.

From your own link:

While anecdotal reports have sparked interest in treatment with cannabinoids,[8] there is not enough evidence to draw conclusions about their safety or efficacy.

Cannabis is certainly helpful for pain, but the idiots spewing "it cures cancer and HIV but the government doesn't want you to know, man" makes it hard to take that shiat seriously



But what about epilepsy, asthma, anxiety, insomnia, and dickofaday? All of which, differing cannabinoid complexes affect, and do so incredibly efficiently with minimal side-effects.

But why aren't they mainstream by now, uttertosh?

iat's the legality behind researching them, machoprogrammer.

DERPA TINFOILHAT WEARING HIIPY LOONATIC DERPA!

Yeah. That bit about 'not helping'? Tag, you're it!
 
2017-01-11 09:20:41 AM  
This farking guy.
 
2017-01-11 09:40:17 AM  
Christian Scientists? *checks article* Holy shiat, it wasn't.

not so csb

When I was a kid in south Florida some girl at my school a few grades behind me died of some easily-preventable-by-a-round-of-penicillin disease because her parents were Christian Scientists. Because it was all Jesusy and shiat, they never faced any charges as far as I remember.

This guy is just a hipster doofus, so he's probably going down.
 
2017-01-11 09:44:59 AM  

damaged maven: If dad took his kid to a doctor, he would undermine his family's quackery empire. Don't let socialist actual medicine win.


Dad killed his son for money and to this day still denies that fact for money.
 
2017-01-11 09:47:49 AM  
Cut this guy some slack. He now admits that he didn't give his son enough garlic.
 
2017-01-11 09:49:52 AM  
But seriously, this guy should be allowed to talk up the benefits of alternative medicine whenever and wherever he wants. Anyone who would take advice from a guy who killed his son with his alternative bullshiat should not be part of our gene pool.
 
2017-01-11 09:56:59 AM  
Is the family selling Cherokee hair tampons too?
 
2017-01-11 10:04:48 AM  

cman: Wow that dude looks so farking Canadian its not even funny


handsome man. he should be in prison enjoying lots of 'dates'.

i think if i caused my son to die i would kill myself.
 
2017-01-11 10:11:15 AM  
It still burns me up that situations like this exist in the 21st goddamn century. What burns me up even more is the knowledge that, had they been religious and used prayer instead of alt medicine, he'd have gotten off. You have the right to believe what you want, but that right should end when it starts killing children.
 
2017-01-11 10:36:02 AM  
This happened not too far from where I live.

This story has gone around and around on local news outlets for a couple of years.


While I am shocked and appalled and angry that his actions resulted in the death of his son, I am almost equally shocked, appalled, and angry that he goes right back to selling horsesh*t pseudoscience snake oil after his joke of a prison sentence.

I wonder if the province has any recourse (or duty) to remove his other children from his care for their safety. Yeah, he has (I believe) two other kids.
 
2017-01-11 10:45:10 AM  
Mud pies are alternative baking.
 
2017-01-11 10:48:54 AM  
I don't believe in ghosts but I really wish they were real so his kid could appear before him but with Bob Hoskins voice calling him out on his horrible bullshiat.
 
2017-01-11 10:51:04 AM  

RJReves: "Using my treatment methods, my kid died. Now, you can achieve the same results!"


LOL. The joke, not the kid dying.

Christ, people are stupid.
 
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