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2017-01-10 11:51:22 PM  
I'm glad I only watch the show and don't read the books or I'd be pissed at that fat fark.
 
2017-01-10 11:58:13 PM  

Mugato: I'm glad I only watch the show and don't read the books or I'd be pissed at that fat fark.


I think the show actually got better when they ran out of his material to follow.
 
2017-01-11 12:27:54 AM  
He only said, "Winter is coming", not when.
 
2017-01-11 01:14:36 AM  

johnsoninca: He only said, "Winter is coming", not when.


About the same time Dumbledor stops thinking the main character looks kinda cute with that "special" wand...and realizes the kid is now a grizzled street whore selling "spells" to anyone with a pointy hat?

Or have I got the wrong nerdpr0n genre?
 
2017-01-11 01:16:04 AM  

fusillade762: Mugato: I'm glad I only watch the show and don't read the books or I'd be pissed at that fat fark.

I think the show actually got better when they ran out of his material to follow.


Seriously good books though.

The problem I have, though, is I grew up on Discworld. Terry Pratchett was like Steven King if King was a good author. He cranked out a novel per year, at least.

When an author takes much longer than that, I start to doubt their skills
 
2017-01-11 01:42:42 AM  
too bad I spoiled season 7 for myself by having zero willpower and an insatiable curiosity.
 
2017-01-11 01:44:01 AM  

Hobodeluxe: too bad I spoiled season 7 for myself by having zero willpower and an insatiable curiosity.


?
 
2017-01-11 02:52:07 AM  

doglover: fusillade762: Mugato: I'm glad I only watch the show and don't read the books or I'd be pissed at that fat fark.

I think the show actually got better when they ran out of his material to follow.

Seriously good books though.

The problem I have, though, is I grew up on Discworld. Terry Pratchett was like Steven King if King was a good author. He cranked out a novel per year, at least.

When an author takes much longer than that, I start to doubt their skills


King has put out a few good books. I will not take that away from him. as for Sir Pratchett ( I can just imagine him pulling a face and hating the title like the Duke of Ankh-Morpork does ) - he was much more than Discworld. But- I am so glad he wrote that. You should check out the "Long Earth " series also. IMHO.

But- back to King- the man has written some good books. The problem is most have been adapted very poorly to the /for the screen.
 
2017-01-11 02:55:39 AM  

alienated: But- back to King- the man has written some good books. The problem is most have been adapted very poorly to the /for the screen.


The problem is he often drops the ball with the ending. "It" might be the best example.
 
2017-01-11 03:02:49 AM  

Mugato: alienated: But- back to King- the man has written some good books. The problem is most have been adapted very poorly to the /for the screen.

The problem is he often drops the ball with the ending. "It" might be the best example.


I will not dispute that, even if I have not read that book. It does seem that sometimes he runs out of steam.
Then again- I cannot complain- I have not sold a single treatment even of anything, in years, and I get stuck on act 2 or 3 or 7. I do have the final act already done though, when adapting- damn books do have an end.
 
2017-01-11 03:06:52 AM  

alienated: King has put out a few good books.


But also the Stinkers.

And I have everything Pratchett ever wrote, near as I can tell, that was available for sale. I'm sure that, like Tolkien and Twain, there's a whole library's worth of private documents, notes, and anecdotes that are just pure gold.

Although I am curious why he was so into the name Lobsang. It must be from somewhere.
 
2017-01-11 03:09:12 AM  
I loved Terry Pratchett, mayherestinpeace, and I enjoyed early Stephan King (what the hell?) I would like to finish reading George R.R. Martin's magnum opus, but I think the joke is on us.
Let me be crystal clear: He's never going to finish writing that story. Never. Gonna. Happen.
Writing is hard. He got paid. He got paid enough to stop having to do that hard, very hard work.
I doubt the whole Ice and Fire thing inspires him anymore. He's having fun watching other people do that work. He gave up control of that story.
We may see some other stories out of GRRM because he tells stories. But he's not getting any more of my money.
When you say 'Let me tell you a story' and then you don't finish it, you are not a story teller.
At least Patrick O'Brian had the decency to die.
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Hey, George, yeah you.
 
2017-01-11 03:18:09 AM  

doglover: Hobodeluxe: too bad I spoiled season 7 for myself by having zero willpower and an insatiable curiosity.

?


spoilers are out there. don't go looking unless you want to find them.
 
2017-01-11 03:19:26 AM  

doglover: Although I am curious why he was so into the name Lobsang. It must be from somewhere.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobsang_Rampa
 
2017-01-11 03:21:59 AM  

Hobodeluxe: spoilers are out there.


I don7t believe in spoilers.

alienated: doglover: Although I am curious why he was so into the name Lobsang. It must be from somewhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobsang_Rampa


Just as expected. I wonder how many other blatant references were in there I missed because I'm not an elderly Brit.
 
2017-01-11 03:29:47 AM  

doglover: Hobodeluxe: spoilers are out there.

I don7t believe in spoilers.

alienated: doglover: Although I am curious why he was so into the name Lobsang. It must be from somewhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobsang_Rampa

Just as expected. I wonder how many other blatant references were in there I missed because I'm not an elderly Brit.


I'm an middle aged Scot/ mutt, but I have studied Tibetan Buddhism and the offshoots for a while. It is okay- it is not a competition and there will not be a test. Well, There will, but that is besides the point. Let us not delve into deep things over this.
 
mhd
2017-01-11 03:36:26 AM  

doglover: Just as expected. I wonder how many other blatant references were in there I missed because I'm not an elderly Brit.


One of my earliest internet memories is browsing the "Annotated Pratchett File" and the "Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5", just to get all the references.
 
2017-01-11 03:47:21 AM  

doglover: Hobodeluxe: spoilers are out there.

I don7t believe in spoilers.


Doesn't matter if you believe in them or not. It's not based on faith. There's photo evidence to back up the spoilers that were laid out before the shooting started.  Nearly everything that was described was supported by photo evidence.
 
2017-01-11 04:13:22 AM  

alienated: doglover: Although I am curious why he was so into the name Lobsang. It must be from somewhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobsang_Rampa


That would also explain the robot cat that accompanied Lobsang in The Long Earth.
 
2017-01-11 04:17:06 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Doesn't matter if you believe in them or not. It's not based on faith.


It is, though.

Spoilers only spoil a story if you believe that a story is the revelation of the unknown.

I prefer the execution. That's why I can watch some movies basically on a loop and not mind, but other movies I can just stop watching and be done.
 
6 days ago  

doglover: The problem I have, though, is I grew up on Discworld. Terry Pratchett was like Steven King if King was a good author. He cranked out a novel per year, at least.


I have one issue with Discworld.  I can't seem to convince anybody to read it.  I really need people to understand what I mean when I say 'perfect novel' but how can they understand until they read Night Watch with an understanding of who the characters are.
 
6 days ago  
He announced the release date. The fifth of Never. Mark your calendars.
 
6 days ago  

Egoy3k: doglover: The problem I have, though, is I grew up on Discworld. Terry Pratchett was like Steven King if King was a good author. He cranked out a novel per year, at least.

I have one issue with Discworld.  I can't seem to convince anybody to read it.  I really need people to understand what I mean when I say 'perfect novel' but how can they understand until they read Night Watch with an understanding of who the characters are.


I think part of the reason I put off reading Discworld for as long as I did was because I grew up on Piers Anthony's Xanth series, then grew incredibly tired of the work once he started doing the whole thing with the planets surrounding this one character's head, Ida. The puns also grew a little weary as well - it was a series that really wore itself out, especially as after a while it seems like Anthony did everything there was to do there. The books were also coated with at least a thin layer of smug (a thicker layer in other books), which grated on me as I got older. It also didn't help that I read the infamous Firefly book, which made a LOT of his work really skeevy. (shudders)

When I heard about the Discworld series I was just leery since it reminded me of the Xanth series and I was already overly tired of that type of schtick. Of course the only real thing in common with the two is that they're both silly fantasy, it's just that Pratchett did it better.
 
6 days ago  

Egoy3k: doglover: The problem I have, though, is I grew up on Discworld. Terry Pratchett was like Steven King if King was a good author. He cranked out a novel per year, at least.

I have one issue with Discworld.  I can't seem to convince anybody to read it.  I really need people to understand what I mean when I say 'perfect novel' but how can they understand until they read Night Watch with an understanding of who the characters are.


Oh my god, yes.

I prefer to start them with something in the middle. I think my first Discworld book was Wyrd Sisters, but that was pre-Hogfather.

Sure, reading them in order is good. But ain't nobody got time for that. You need to set the hook first. Then reel them in with the whole Watch catalogue. When they get to Night Watch, they will understand why he was knighted.
 
6 days ago  
He's taking so long to release it that Jon Snow has taken to saying "summer is coming".
 
6 days ago  

doglover: Sure, reading them in order is good. But ain't nobody got time for that. You need to set the hook first. Then reel them in with the whole Watch catalogue. When they get to Night Watch, they will understand why he was knighted.


My first was Feet of Clay, because it was available and I was between books. I fell in love.

GRR! Martin can jump in a lake. I'm current, book-wise, and when the last book came out his forward suggested he was writing the two books in parallel. Either he was lying, realized it was crap, or something along those lines. Either way, it didn't materialize as quickly as he suggested it would.

If he finishes, fine. If he doesn't, fine. HBO will have their version, and I'll either watch it when it's done, or I'll hear the Big Spoiler and just not watch it at all. Nowadays, I really don't care.
 
6 days ago  

red5ish: I loved Terry Pratchett, mayherestinpeace, and I enjoyed early Stephan King (what the hell?) I would like to finish reading George R.R. Martin's magnum opus, but I think the joke is on us.
Let me be crystal clear: He's never going to finish writing that story. Never. Gonna. Happen.
Writing is hard. He got paid. He got paid enough to stop having to do that hard, very hard work.
I doubt the whole Ice and Fire thing inspires him anymore. He's having fun watching other people do that work. He gave up control of that story.
We may see some other stories out of GRRM because he tells stories. But he's not getting any more of my money.
When you say 'Let me tell you a story' and then you don't finish it, you are not a story teller.
At least Patrick O'Brian had the decency to die.
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Hey, George, yeah you.


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6 days ago  

doglover: Egoy3k: doglover: The problem I have, though, is I grew up on Discworld. Terry Pratchett was like Steven King if King was a good author. He cranked out a novel per year, at least.

I have one issue with Discworld.  I can't seem to convince anybody to read it.  I really need people to understand what I mean when I say 'perfect novel' but how can they understand until they read Night Watch with an understanding of who the characters are.

Oh my god, yes.

I prefer to start them with something in the middle. I think my first Discworld book was Wyrd Sisters, but that was pre-Hogfather.

Sure, reading them in order is good. But ain't nobody got time for that. You need to set the hook first. Then reel them in with the whole Watch catalogue. When they get to Night Watch, they will understand why he was knighted.


For adults, I usually recommend the Watch books. For younger readers, showing them the animated Soul Music doesn't fail at hooking them on the books completely.
 
6 days ago  
static2.hypable.com
 
6 days ago  
I wouldn't be displeased if another book was never released.  By book 4, it got pretty terrible, and book 5 was even worse, and I would expect that trend to keep going due to his age, creativity, interest in writing.  I'd prefer to just let HBO finish the series at this point.
 
6 days ago  

red5ish: et me be crystal clear: He's never going to finish writing that story. Never. Gonna. Happen.


Let's just all come to agreement that GoT is set far in the future, millennia after the conclusion of the War with the Chtorr.

But look on the bright side, eventually both will die and Sanderson can wrap things up.
 
6 days ago  
Between talk of a prequel series, still writing short stories, and still editing anthologies he's got too damn many irons in the fire. Stop with the publicity tours and sit your ass down to write.
 
6 days ago  

LucasLuminaro: I wouldn't be displeased if another book was never released.  By book 4, it got pretty terrible, and book 5 was even worse, and I would expect that trend to keep going due to his age, creativity, interest in writing.  I'd prefer to just let HBO finish the series at this point.


I agree. The books were good until book 4. Then it just got really tedious.
 
6 days ago  

red5ish: I loved Terry Pratchett, mayherestinpeace, and I enjoyed early Stephan King (what the hell?) I would like to finish reading George R.R. Martin's magnum opus, but I think the joke is on us.


This is a useful discussion:
http://bestfantasybooks.com/forums/threads/finished-fantasy-series-vs​-​unfinished-fantasy-series.1306/

In a similar fashion, I'm coming around to the notion that Miura is never going to finish Berserk. His world is simply too large and his art style is too intricate for one man to finish and he's showing signs of slowing down. He's 50 now; he started the series when he was 21. The entire Millennium arc has been moving faster than the prior arcs, but it's also been advancing the canon much less. I think he's also realized he's slowing down. The current problem is that there's no suggestion yet of what the end game would even be, let alone how we would get to it. It's a neat world with a complicated backstory, but I'm increasingly less confident we're ever going to see it finish.
 
6 days ago  

doglover: Egoy3k: doglover: The problem I have, though, is I grew up on Discworld. Terry Pratchett was like Steven King if King was a good author. He cranked out a novel per year, at least.

I have one issue with Discworld.  I can't seem to convince anybody to read it.  I really need people to understand what I mean when I say 'perfect novel' but how can they understand until they read Night Watch with an understanding of who the characters are.

Oh my god, yes.

I prefer to start them with something in the middle. I think my first Discworld book was Wyrd Sisters, but that was pre-Hogfather.

Sure, reading them in order is good. But ain't nobody got time for that. You need to set the hook first. Then reel them in with the whole Watch catalogue. When they get to Night Watch, they will understand why he was knighted.


There are a ton of perfectly cromulent entry points to Discworld. The universe has something like 7 separate character/plot threads, and four of them essentially never interact with Ankh-Morpork.

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6 days ago  

MagicChicken: GRR! Martin can jump in a lake.


What would that accomplish? He'd bob like a cork.
 
6 days ago  
I'l just leave this here. also

 
6 days ago  

fusillade762: Mugato: I'm glad I only watch the show and don't read the books or I'd be pissed at that fat fark.

I think the show actually got better when they ran out of his material to follow.


Well, even before then, they were having to deviate from it anyway.  If they'd followed the books exactly, you'd have had Tyrion going up a river saying "Where do whores go?" over and over for an entire season.
 
6 days ago  
He'll get back to it right after he and Joss finish writing seasons 2-5 of Firefly.
 
6 days ago  
Help me, Farkers. I'm ready to take the leap into Discworld. The only one I've read is Small Gods, which I enjoyed quite a bit. I have no idea what any of it is about or where to start despite the nice graphics above that I've seen a few times.

I have a bit of a reading addiction and frequently stay up way too late tearing through books and regretting it the next day. But I'm at a point in life where that's not tooproblematic and love the idea of starting a huge series like this that will take a good long while to get through. Where's your recommended entry point into that jumbled mess?
 
6 days ago  
Ctrl-F "Malazan"

No results.

WTF Fark
 
6 days ago  

Occam's Disposable Razor: Help me, Farkers. I'm ready to take the leap into Discworld. The only one I've read is Small Gods, which I enjoyed quite a bit. I have no idea what any of it is about or where to start despite the nice graphics above that I've seen a few times.

I have a bit of a reading addiction and frequently stay up way too late tearing through books and regretting it the next day. But I'm at a point in life where that's not tooproblematic and love the idea of starting a huge series like this that will take a good long while to get through. Where's your recommended entry point into that jumbled mess?


You could back up to Pyramids, or start at an entrance point. Rincewind (Colour of Magic) or Death (Mort) are probably the lines closest to Small Gods.

I don't really like the early Rincewind novels (he's nice as comic relief, but he's not a compelling main character -- at least until his later books), but they are a nice intro to the early versions of Discworld. By the time you get into the later city novels, the world starts changing fast.
 
mhd
6 days ago  

This text is now purple: But look on the bright side, eventually both will die and Sanderson can wrap things up.


Yikes. Did he get any better after Mistborn? If not, one might as well go for the other *[Aa]nderson.
 
6 days ago  

mhd: This text is now purple: But look on the bright side, eventually both will die and Sanderson can wrap things up.

Yikes. Did he get any better after Mistborn? If not, one might as well go for the other *[Aa]nderson.


Mistborn was good, everything since has been better
 
6 days ago  

This text is now purple: Occam's Disposable Razor: Help me, Farkers. I'm ready to take the leap into Discworld. The only one I've read is Small Gods, which I enjoyed quite a bit. I have no idea what any of it is about or where to start despite the nice graphics above that I've seen a few times.

I have a bit of a reading addiction and frequently stay up way too late tearing through books and regretting it the next day. But I'm at a point in life where that's not tooproblematic and love the idea of starting a huge series like this that will take a good long while to get through. Where's your recommended entry point into that jumbled mess?

You could back up to Pyramids, or start at an entrance point. Rincewind (Colour of Magic) or Death (Mort) are probably the lines closest to Small Gods.

I don't really like the early Rincewind novels (he's nice as comic relief, but he's not a compelling main character -- at least until his later books), but they are a nice intro to the early versions of Discworld. By the time you get into the later city novels, the world starts changing fast.


Thanks for the advice. Think I'll try Mort then.
 
6 days ago  

mhd: This text is now purple: But look on the bright side, eventually both will die and Sanderson can wrap things up.

Yikes. Did he get any better after Mistborn? If not, one might as well go for the other *[Aa]nderson.


Definitely. I enjoyed the first Mistborn series, but the second one is much better. Stormlight is very promising, as well.
 
6 days ago  

Occam's Disposable Razor: This text is now purple: Occam's Disposable Razor: Help me, Farkers. I'm ready to take the leap into Discworld. The only one I've read is Small Gods, which I enjoyed quite a bit. I have no idea what any of it is about or where to start despite the nice graphics above that I've seen a few times.

I have a bit of a reading addiction and frequently stay up way too late tearing through books and regretting it the next day. But I'm at a point in life where that's not tooproblematic and love the idea of starting a huge series like this that will take a good long while to get through. Where's your recommended entry point into that jumbled mess?

You could back up to Pyramids, or start at an entrance point. Rincewind (Colour of Magic) or Death (Mort) are probably the lines closest to Small Gods.

I don't really like the early Rincewind novels (he's nice as comic relief, but he's not a compelling main character -- at least until his later books), but they are a nice intro to the early versions of Discworld. By the time you get into the later city novels, the world starts changing fast.

Thanks for the advice. Think I'll try Mort then.


In general, the earlier Discworld novels are more British than the later ones. To the point where had it come out last, Colour of Magic probably would have lost its "u". Somewhere between Guards! Guards! and Eric is probably the inflection point, with GG being the first of the modern style and Eric the last of the old. It seems that around this point Pratchett decided this wasn't going to be a static world.
 
6 days ago  

This text is now purple: don't really like the early Rincewind novels (he's nice as comic relief, but he's not a compelling main character -- at least until his later books)


I agree. Rincewind the coward because he's just a wimp is annoying. Rincewind the cynic that has realized that he is a pawn of the gods and expects the other shoe to drop (and sometimes causes of his later misfortune by expecting it)is entertaining.
 
6 days ago  
The Giants making the playoffs probably added two months to his writing time.
 
6 days ago  

cranked: He'll get back to it right after he and Joss finish writing seasons 2-5 of Firefly.


If the two of them got together and made five seasons of anything, Hollywood would run out of actors to cast for the sixth season.
 
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