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2017-01-10 08:35:18 PM  
I've been working as a package handler for FedEx the past month plus, so I am really getting a kick out of the replies. Seriously. Actually work in the smartpost section, which is where the USPS has outsourced some of their parcel handling, sorting, and long-haul operations. Not much to say other than occasionally we see mangled boxes come down the belt, but those get sent to QA/QC. And you can tell when an apartment building in the city cancels Direct TV because we get mountains of return boxes coming our direction. Otherwise, we try to be careful with things marked 'fragile', boxes marked 'this end up' generally get ignored, stop farking buying oranges online - those farkers are heavy, and people seem to buy a lot of overpriced crap from Harry & David. (those boxes are heavy too)
 
2017-01-10 09:04:21 PM  

germ78: Actually work in the smartpost section, which is where the USPS has outsourced some of their parcel handling, sorting, and long-haul operations.


Was going to say comparing and contrasting between FedEx and USPS would be interesting, but I didn't know they did that.
 
2017-01-10 09:05:25 PM  
WILSON!!!!!!one
 
2017-01-10 09:09:36 PM  
Lawsuit by FedEx in 3...2...1...
 
2017-01-10 09:48:21 PM  
The DADA movement did it.

The glass broke in moving it...and it was consider part of the art of the moment.  Duchamp..'repaired' it after the it broke by wiring in the broken bits and shipping damage was integrated as part of the work. 1920something.

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2017-01-10 11:12:01 PM  
They say art is subjective, but that's still no reason to subject us to that art.
 
2017-01-10 11:26:55 PM  
if you are preferred by the cool kids it does not matter what you do, andy warhale is a very minimized example of what has happened since
 
2017-01-10 11:28:21 PM  

fusillade762: germ78: Actually work in the smartpost section, which is where the USPS has outsourced some of their parcel handling, sorting, and long-haul operations.

Was going to say comparing and contrasting between FedEx and USPS would be interesting, but I didn't know they did that.


It works in reverse too, with USPS providing the home delivery end of some FedEx services, especially to places that are remote enough that FedEx doesn't want to run a truck out there, but the USPS has post offices in every town.
 
2017-01-10 11:30:22 PM  
if i was fedex, i'd feel violated.

(just like those glass cases)
 
2017-01-10 11:31:05 PM  

germ78: I've been working as a package handler for FedEx the past month plus, so I am really getting a kick out of the replies. Seriously. Actually work in the smartpost section, which is where the USPS has outsourced some of their parcel handling, sorting, and long-haul operations. Not much to say other than occasionally we see mangled boxes come down the belt, but those get sent to QA/QC. And you can tell when an apartment building in the city cancels Direct TV because we get mountains of return boxes coming our direction. Otherwise, we try to be careful with things marked 'fragile', boxes marked 'this end up' generally get ignored, stop farking buying oranges online - those farkers are heavy, and people seem to buy a lot of overpriced crap from Harry & David. (those boxes are heavy too)


I heard some time ago that the US Customs dogs recognize those fruit boxes and start wagging their tail. The reason is because fruit is restricted and the dogs get a treat for finding restricted contents. Thus, fruit box = treat.
 
2017-01-10 11:35:01 PM  
no no it's not yoko
 
2017-01-10 11:38:54 PM  

germ78: I've been working as a package handler for FedEx the past month plus, so I am really getting a kick out of the replies. Seriously. Actually work in the smartpost section, which is where the USPS has outsourced some of their parcel handling, sorting, and long-haul operations. Not much to say other than occasionally we see mangled boxes come down the belt, but those get sent to QA/QC. And you can tell when an apartment building in the city cancels Direct TV because we get mountains of return boxes coming our direction. Otherwise, we try to be careful with things marked 'fragile', boxes marked 'this end up' generally get ignored, stop farking buying oranges online - those farkers are heavy, and people seem to buy a lot of overpriced crap from Harry & David. (those boxes are heavy too)


They should ban shipments of bulk nails, nuts, bolts, and washers. Those boxes never ever stay the same shape. They always end up round after the sort. With them being round, they'll roll all over the belt smashing anything they contact.
 
2017-01-10 11:44:09 PM  
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2017-01-10 11:45:59 PM  
What did you expect? It's the fault of the packager. You can get extremely delicate glassware call my buds at Sigma Aldrich they know how to do it right. Let gorillas handle it.
 
2017-01-10 11:47:59 PM  
Those took 9 years?

How about some art for TheDonald: anyone have a beaker and a cross?
 
2017-01-10 11:52:19 PM  
It ain't MMA.....
 
2017-01-11 12:02:59 AM  
Fun stuff, but I've actually not had a broken item sent to me. The box may have taken a bit of wear n' tear, but nope...no broken items.
 
2017-01-11 12:03:42 AM  
Is it art if you puke on a canvas, frame it, and call it "turbulence"?

Is it art if you fart into a champagne bottle, cork it, and title it "Trump's brain"?

Is it art if you drop a rubber duck in a pot of chicken noodle soup and title it "Astile #9"?

I don't know, but it sure is pretentious.
 
2017-01-11 12:06:48 AM  

WilderKWight: Is it art if you puke on a canvas, frame it, and call it "turbulence"?

Is it art if you fart into a champagne bottle, cork it, and title it "Trump's brain"?

Is it art if you drop a rubber duck in a pot of chicken noodle soup and title it "Astile #9"?

I don't know, but it sure is pretentious.


There's always that guy that canned his own feces.
 
2017-01-11 12:07:26 AM  
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2017-01-11 12:30:13 AM  

germ78: I've been working as a package handler...


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2017-01-11 12:30:53 AM  
"I was interested in how art objects acquire meaning through their context and through travel," Beshty said in an interview with Mikkel Carl. "I wanted to make a work that was specifically organized around its traffic, becoming materially manifest through its movement from one place to another."
"Haha, just jokes, bro." Beshty continued. "People will buy anything. This all got started when I shipped a bong to my cousin and his girlfriend thought the way it broke looked cool. I read an art book to get the fancy words and, bingo bango, I'm a farking artist. I can't believe it either."
 
2017-01-11 12:38:17 AM  

albatros183: if you are preferred by the cool kids it does not matter what you do, andy warhale is a very minimized example of what has happened since


Andy Narwhal?
 
2017-01-11 12:40:02 AM  
I like how TFA tries to make it sound like what happened to these art pieces - deliberately packaged in a way that ensures they are damaged - is the same as the stuff you have shipped to you.
 
2017-01-11 12:47:52 AM  

optikeye: The DADA movement did it.

The glass broke in moving it...and it was consider part of the art of the moment.  Duchamp..'repaired' it after the it broke by wiring in the broken bits and shipping damage was integrated as part of the work. 1920something.


Came here for the chocolate grinder, leaving satisfied (and surprisingly early in the thread too).
 
2017-01-11 12:52:11 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: They say art is subjective, but that's still no reason to subject us to that art.


That was better than 95% of the stuff at the MoMA in SF last time I went.
 
2017-01-11 01:00:40 AM  

Silverstaff: fusillade762: germ78: Actually work in the smartpost section, which is where the USPS has outsourced some of their parcel handling, sorting, and long-haul operations.

Was going to say comparing and contrasting between FedEx and USPS would be interesting, but I didn't know they did that.

It works in reverse too, with USPS providing the home delivery end of some FedEx services, especially to places that are remote enough that FedEx doesn't want to run a truck out there, but the USPS has post offices in every town.


Weird. I actually thought that was Smartpost. Pay FedEx, they handle the long haul, they pay USPS for the last mile as it were. UPS calls it Mail Integration don't they?
 
2017-01-11 01:15:47 AM  

maxandgrinch: Those took 9 years?

How about some art for TheDonald: anyone have a beaker and a cross?


Packed up and reshipped multiple times ... and safety glass.
 
2017-01-11 01:17:28 AM  

germ78: I've been working as a package handler for FedEx the past month plus, so I am really getting a kick out of the replies. Seriously. Actually work in the smartpost section, which is where the USPS has outsourced some of their parcel handling, sorting, and long-haul operations. Not much to say other than occasionally we see mangled boxes come down the belt, but those get sent to QA/QC. And you can tell when an apartment building in the city cancels Direct TV because we get mountains of return boxes coming our direction. Otherwise, we try to be careful with things marked 'fragile', boxes marked 'this end up' generally get ignored, stop farking buying oranges online - those farkers are heavy, and people seem to buy a lot of overpriced crap from Harry & David. (those boxes are heavy too)


Just yesterday I had a 10 gallon air compressor delivered to my house via UPS.  It's pretty heavy and on top of that I have some real troubles with my left arm.  UPS guy noticed it said air compressor and put it right between my garage doors and put a second light package on my porch.

That reminds me, I know his supervisor and need to ensure he gets some kudos.
 
2017-01-11 01:18:31 AM  
Not according to Meryl Streep
 
2017-01-11 01:25:36 AM  
Art. Don't talk to me about art.

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2017-01-11 01:51:45 AM  

berylman: What did you expect? It's the fault of the packager. You can get extremely delicate glassware call my buds at Sigma Aldrich they know how to do it right. Let gorillas handle it.


I have so many ice packs from buying enzymes and crap from Sigma Aldrich
 
2017-01-11 01:53:57 AM  

berylman: What did you expect? It's the fault of the packager. You can get extremely delicate glassware call my buds at Sigma Aldrich they know how to do it right. Let gorillas handle it.


When I lived in Boston, one of my go-to places for visiting friends and family was the glass flower exhibit at Harvard. The quality of the workmanship and attention to detail is impressive enough; but since my mental focus tends to gravitate toward logistics, I was equally impressed by the ability to get those items from Germany to the US, unbroken, on ships in the late 1800s. I don't know how many were broken in transit, but I imagine that they would have invested a lot of time and effort into secure packaging to ensure their safety.
 
2017-01-11 02:16:40 AM  

jclaggett: Silverstaff: fusillade762: germ78: Actually work in the smartpost section, which is where the USPS has outsourced some of their parcel handling, sorting, and long-haul operations.

Was going to say comparing and contrasting between FedEx and USPS would be interesting, but I didn't know they did that.

It works in reverse too, with USPS providing the home delivery end of some FedEx services, especially to places that are remote enough that FedEx doesn't want to run a truck out there, but the USPS has post offices in every town.

Weird. I actually thought that was Smartpost. Pay FedEx, they handle the long haul, they pay USPS for the last mile as it were. UPS calls it Mail Integration don't they?


Every single package I get that is shipped that way takes an extra five days. Fedex is ridiculously slow. Same with UPS.
USPS is the only one who is consistently on time, and is ALWAYS the cheapest. Usually by a pretty big margin.
And of the over 2500 packages I shipped last year, usps managed to damage/lose exactly zero.
 
2017-01-11 02:22:16 AM  
"You want a refund because it wasn't broken?"
 
2017-01-11 03:19:29 AM  
My wife bought a fish tank online once. Once.
 
2017-01-11 03:23:21 AM  
Art?!
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2017-01-11 04:07:30 AM  

jclaggett: Silverstaff: fusillade762: germ78: Actually work in the smartpost section, which is where the USPS has outsourced some of their parcel handling, sorting, and long-haul operations.

Was going to say comparing and contrasting between FedEx and USPS would be interesting, but I didn't know they did that.

It works in reverse too, with USPS providing the home delivery end of some FedEx services, especially to places that are remote enough that FedEx doesn't want to run a truck out there, but the USPS has post offices in every town.

Weird. I actually thought that was Smartpost. Pay FedEx, they handle the long haul, they pay USPS for the last mile as it were. UPS calls it Mail Integration don't they?


Everyone hauls everyone else's stuff unless you pay for an expedite or courier service. Usually it's not a formal arrangement but in a pinch any tractor can haul any trailer, if the driver has the proper endorsements. I've hauled last mile from crossdock to final delivery for ABF, YRC, UPS, Fed-Ex, Saia and from USPS to USPS. I don't do much of that anymore, gave up my lift gate because everyone would lie about lift gate loads (oh, we'll have someone there to handle the 2000 lb skids, sure, you just need to use the controls for your lift gate) but everyone has stuff that falls thru the cracks or has a driver that is sick. The companies may compete in the front end but on the back-formation they are all brokering freight to one another when they lack capacity.
 
2017-01-11 04:11:49 AM  

divx88: maxandgrinch: Those took 9 years?

How about some art for TheDonald: anyone have a beaker and a cross?

Packed up and reshipped multiple times ... and safety glass.


This is why people make fun of artists. Surely he could get all this done in less than a year. How could it take nearly a DECADE to ship some boxes of glass around? Heck, the FedEx shipping part would only take a few days at most each time.
 
2017-01-11 05:05:48 AM  

Boudyro: I like how TFA tries to make it sound like what happened to these art pieces - deliberately packaged in a way that ensures they are damaged - is the same as the stuff you have shipped to you.


This.

Made to fit the box EXACTLY with no padding? Yeah, anything stacked on it is going to crack it.

If anything it's a testament to the strength of the boxes that they're still in a recognizable shape and not COMPLETELY destroyed.
 
2017-01-11 05:11:11 AM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Boudyro: I like how TFA tries to make it sound like what happened to these art pieces - deliberately packaged in a way that ensures they are damaged - is the same as the stuff you have shipped to you.

This.

Made to fit the box EXACTLY with no padding? Yeah, anything stacked on it is going to crack it.

If anything it's a testament to the strength of the boxes that they're still in a recognizable shape and not COMPLETELY destroyed.


You gotta remember this is automotive safety glass, and most of the pieces seem to be double-laminated. - that's pretty tough stuff in and of itself.

I have to confess - I like this lady's work.
The exercise is, of course, complete art-school bullshiat - but the objects produced have a weird elegance and beauty.
She actually succeeded in punching well above her weight, here.
 
2017-01-11 05:14:34 AM  
Maybe this is why people pack fragile items with bubble wrap and styrofoam.
 
6 days ago  
That article reminds me of what I'm going through now:
Trying to get two unbroken Polk floor standing speakers from Amazon delivered to me.

So far I'm at 1/3 arriving intact.  Hopefully no. 4 arriving tomorrow will be undamaged and I'll finally have a pair of new speakers.
 
6 days ago  

UsikFark: germ78: I've been working as a package handler for FedEx the past month plus, so I am really getting a kick out of the replies. Seriously. Actually work in the smartpost section, which is where the USPS has outsourced some of their parcel handling, sorting, and long-haul operations. Not much to say other than occasionally we see mangled boxes come down the belt, but those get sent to QA/QC. And you can tell when an apartment building in the city cancels Direct TV because we get mountains of return boxes coming our direction. Otherwise, we try to be careful with things marked 'fragile', boxes marked 'this end up' generally get ignored, stop farking buying oranges online - those farkers are heavy, and people seem to buy a lot of overpriced crap from Harry & David. (those boxes are heavy too)

I heard some time ago that the US Customs dogs recognize those fruit boxes and start wagging their tail. The reason is because fruit is restricted and the dogs get a treat for finding restricted contents. Thus, fruit box = treat.


I was flying back from Japan, and there was a group of soldiers on the plane with us. Waiting in line at the baggage claim before customs, the fruit beagal comes up and indicates on of the the soldier's bags. The officer directs him to open it, and then pulls out an orange. You'd have thought he found a block of C4 by the fuss he made. He started going off on how it was illegal fruit, and how illegal it was to import said illegal fruit. The soldier said "They gave me that orange on the plane with our meal. I was just saving it for later." The inspector guy told the solxier he had to come with him. We didn't see him again by the time we got our bags and cleared customs.
 
6 days ago  

I_Am_Weasel: They say art is subjective, but that's still no reason to subject us to that art.


Boring glass boxes are boring.  Even the hook of broken during shipping is boring.
 
6 days ago  

420Gabriel: And of the over 2500 packages I shipped last year, usps managed to damage/lose exactly zero.


I've had a lot of good USPS experiences.   The others, not so much.

jso2897: but the objects produced have a weird elegance and beauty.


The stacked glass boxes together really stood out to me, in a positive way.


/Now I'm going to have dreams of a fruit beagle...
 
6 days ago  

8 inches: Lawsuit by FedEx in 3...2...1...


If I was FedEx, I would sue. Beshty is taking credit for art that FedEx clearly created.
 
6 days ago  
Remember when being an artist required skill, training, time, and effort?

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This article is not about that.
 
6 days ago  

jclaggett: Silverstaff: fusillade762: germ78: Actually work in the smartpost section, which is where the USPS has outsourced some of their parcel handling, sorting, and long-haul operations.

Was going to say comparing and contrasting between FedEx and USPS would be interesting, but I didn't know they did that.

It works in reverse too, with USPS providing the home delivery end of some FedEx services, especially to places that are remote enough that FedEx doesn't want to run a truck out there, but the USPS has post offices in every town.

Weird. I actually thought that was Smartpost. Pay FedEx, they handle the long haul, they pay USPS for the last mile as it were. UPS calls it Mail Integration don't they?


All the big carriers have some sort of hybrid system with USPS.  FedEx has ShartPost.  UPS has SpoorPost (SurePost).  DHL has something with a name I can't remember.  They all seem dumb and stupid to me.  They're supposed to save money but how can both companies make a decent profit when both have to share in a smaller amount of money?  And nearly every time, this hybrid process adds a day to the delivery time so that's an extra day that each package is in the pipeline requiring storage and handling.

So companies are spending less money to have their packages handled by more people at twice the number of companies and stored for an extra day.  It would take a special kind of accounting to turn that into something that makes sense for the shipping companies.

Also, I don't see why UPS, FedEx, and DHL are supposed to be better at long haul shipping.  USPS always (ALWAYS) gets my packages across the country faster than any of those three.  So, when I say an extra day of handling, that's the minimum.  It can be several extra days on a cross-country shipment.

Done griping.  It's a sore subject today because I have a SpoorPost package in the pipeline.
 
6 days ago  

8 inches: Lawsuit by FedEx in 3...2...1...


More like "contract for a few installation pieces at various FedEx HQs in 3...2...1..."
 
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