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(NPR)   The woman who broke the story on the start of World War II passes at 104. Subby is happy he could get out of bed and drop his kids off at school   (npr.org ) divider line
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2017-01-10 03:16:39 PM  
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Micheal Ironside in drag

www.aveleyman.com
 
2017-01-10 10:51:13 PM  
How much of a scoop was it really? Thousands of Germans storming across the Polish border isn't exactly meeting Deep Throat in the middle of the night.
 
2017-01-10 10:53:41 PM  

whither_apophis: How much of a scoop was it really? Thousands of Germans storming across the Polish border isn't exactly meeting Deep Throat in the middle of the night.


If you bothered to read the article, she spotted them the day beforehand.
 
2017-01-10 10:56:51 PM  
Subby probably got to work and dropped his pants.... See headline below...
 
2017-01-10 10:59:30 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: whither_apophis: How much of a scoop was it really? Thousands of Germans storming across the Polish border isn't exactly meeting Deep Throat in the middle of the night.

If you bothered to read the article, she spotted them the day 3 days beforehand.

 
2017-01-10 11:06:17 PM  

abhorrent1: Satanic_Hamster: whither_apophis: How much of a scoop was it really? Thousands of Germans storming across the Polish border isn't exactly meeting Deep Throat in the middle of the night.

If you bothered to read the article, she spotted them the day 3 days beforehand.


...and she died at 105 not at 104 as advertised in the headline.

/pffft
 
2017-01-10 11:14:37 PM  
The Soviet invasion of Poland was nearly as evil, but gets much less attention. And a truly shocking number of people in the U.S. don't know that the Soviets invaded Finland.
 
2017-01-10 11:22:21 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: whither_apophis: How much of a scoop was it really? Thousands of Germans storming across the Polish border isn't exactly meeting Deep Throat in the middle of the night.

If you bothered to read the article, she spotted them the day beforehand.


pfft  the only people who RTA are trying to get high score on the news quiz
 
2017-01-10 11:26:50 PM  
Suck it Anderson Cooper!
/not that
 
2017-01-10 11:32:55 PM  

dittybopper: [scontent.xx.fbcdn.net image 370x515]Micheal Ironside in drag[www.aveleyman.com image 320x240]


Maybe I am just high on salt crab extracts but that is an uncanny likeness.  Good eye
 
2017-01-10 11:35:40 PM  
The Manchurians would like a word.
 
2017-01-10 11:37:27 PM  

Repo Man: The Soviet invasion of Poland was nearly as evil, but gets much less attention. And a truly shocking number of people in the U.S. don't know that the Soviets invaded Finland.


Much to their regret:
static3.fjcdn.com
 
2017-01-10 11:37:42 PM  
Does subby think that WWII didn't lead directly to where we are? thanks to the appropriately named Dulles brothers? that we have to thank for the SS being the all of the CIA in Europe and German intelligence to this day?

thanks a lot greatest traitor generation
 
2017-01-10 11:42:58 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Repo Man: The Soviet invasion of Poland was nearly as evil, but gets much less attention. And a truly shocking number of people in the U.S. don't know that the Soviets invaded Finland.

Much to their regret:
[static3.fjcdn.com image 318x414]


They still won, and were driving on Helsinki with no way for the Finnish Army to stop them when the Finns finally begged for an armistice.  Running up the casualty count doesn't mean jackshiat if the enemy can take the losses and you can't.

/the war was still completely mishandled by the Soviets
//the shock they got out of the Winter War is arguably what let them survive the German Invasion, because they were a year into reorganizing the Red Army to take into account the lessons they learned
 
2017-01-10 11:48:34 PM  

NEDM: Satanic_Hamster: Repo Man: The Soviet invasion of Poland was nearly as evil, but gets much less attention. And a truly shocking number of people in the U.S. don't know that the Soviets invaded Finland.

Much to their regret:
[static3.fjcdn.com image 318x414]

They still won, and were driving on Helsinki with no way for the Finnish Army to stop them when the Finns finally begged for an armistice.  Running up the casualty count doesn't mean jackshiat if the enemy can take the losses and you can't.

/the war was still completely mishandled by the Soviets
//the shock they got out of the Winter War is arguably what let them survive the German Invasion, because they were a year into reorganizing the Red Army to take into account the lessons they learned


it doesn't help that the fins collaborated with the nazis because  scarry socialist. That is the justification for the money given to the isi to create al quedia but lets just forget that the US has created terrorist and supported fascist including the nazis because workers! cant have anything threaten the very very few
 
2017-01-10 11:55:41 PM  

NEDM: the shock they got out of the Winter War is arguably what let them survive the German Invasion, because they were a year into reorganizing the Red Army to take into account the lessons they learned


One of the glaring problems being the way that paranoid asshole Stalin had purged the army of any competent officers. Some who were lucky enough to have only been tortured to near death were brought back from the whatever Gulag camp they had been sent to once Barbarossa commenced, their "crimes" at least temporarily forgiven because of the dire emergency.

And an increasing number of kids these days dismiss anything negative about the USSR as imperialist propaganda.

img.fark.net
 
2017-01-11 12:00:40 AM  

albatros183: it doesn't help that the fins collaborated with the nazis because scarry socialist.


That didn't happen until after Barbarossa. At that point they had little choice but to throw in their lot with the Germans, since no one else had been willing to help them. And the Soviets were indeed quite scary - ask the Poles.

Over 20,000 Polish military personnel and civilians perished in the Katyn massacre.[1][82] Torture was used by the NKVD on a wide scale in various prisons, especially those in small towns.[102]
 
2017-01-11 12:08:47 AM  

Repo Man: albatros183: it doesn't help that the fins collaborated with the nazis because scarry socialist.

That didn't happen until after Barbarossa. At that point they had little choice but to throw in their lot with the Germans, since no one else had been willing to help them. And the Soviets were indeed quite scary - ask the Poles.

Over 20,000 Polish military personnel and civilians perished in the Katyn massacre.[1][82] Torture was used by the NKVD on a wide scale in various prisons, especially those in small towns.[102]


The Fins made a deal with the devil because the supposed good people of the world turned their back on them.  They were facing their own destruction and took the only option left to them.
 
2017-01-11 12:15:24 AM  

Repo Man: albatros183: it doesn't help that the fins collaborated with the nazis because scarry socialist.

That didn't happen until after Barbarossa. At that point they had little choice but to throw in their lot with the Germans, since no one else had been willing to help them. And the Soviets were indeed quite scary - ask the Poles.

Over 20,000 Polish military personnel and civilians perished in the Katyn massacre.[1][82] Torture was used by the NKVD on a wide scale in various prisons, especially those in small towns.[102]


Also they hoped to take back territory  they had to give up  to the Soviets to end the war.
 
2017-01-11 12:20:37 AM  

Repo Man: albatros183: it doesn't help that the fins collaborated with the nazis because scarry socialist.

That didn't happen until after Barbarossa. At that point they had little choice but to throw in their lot with the Germans, since no one else had been willing to help them. And the Soviets were indeed quite scary - ask the Poles.

Over 20,000 Polish military personnel and civilians perished in the Katyn massacre.[1][82] Torture was used by the NKVD on a wide scale in various prisons, especially those in small towns.[102]


I won't list the death camps in Poland because only an idiot would think that the soviets where equivalent to the nazis. Americans collaborated with the SS and basicly let them take over the OSS / CIA after the war and so here we are with domestic surveillance the stazi and the SS could only deam about and continuous propaganda that the inventor of propaganda could only dream of. Edward Bernays is the real progenitor of Goebbels ,not to mention the bushes, the Dulles
 
2017-01-11 12:25:01 AM  

albatros183: I won't list the death camps in Poland because only an idiot would think that the soviets where equivalent to the nazis. Americans collaborated with the SS and basicly let them take over the OSS / CIA after the war and so here we are with domestic surveillance the stazi and the SS could only deam about and continuous propaganda that the inventor of propaganda could only dream of. Edward Bernays is the real progenitor of Goebbels ,not to mention the bushes, the Dulles



img.fark.net
 
2017-01-11 12:28:52 AM  

albatros183: I won't list the death camps in Poland because only an idiot would think that the soviets where equivalent to the nazis.


Which is why we allied Soviets them against the Nazis. But just because they took the silver compared to the Nazis' gold medal in the genocide Olympics doesn't mean they were good guys. Stalin was a lesser evil when contrasted with Hitler, but the difference was a matter of degree.
 
2017-01-11 12:32:15 AM  

albatros183: it doesn't help that the fins collaborated with the nazis because  scarry socialist. That is the justification for the money given to the isi to create al quedia but lets just forget that the US has created terrorist and supported fascist including the nazis because workers! cant have anything threaten the very very few


Eh.  For most of Europe, choosing who the bigger sack of shiat was, Hitler or Stalin, was really a coin toss.
 
2017-01-11 12:38:21 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: albatros183: it doesn't help that the fins collaborated with the nazis because  scarry socialist. That is the justification for the money given to the isi to create al quedia but lets just forget that the US has created terrorist and supported fascist including the nazis because workers! cant have anything threaten the very very few

Eh.  For most of Europe, choosing who the bigger sack of shiat was, Hitler or Stalin, was really a coin toss.


Only for idiots, it is maybe possible to make this argument after wwII but not before unless you think all the other fascists where a good thing, in which case I think the 15th Lincoln brigade might want  some words, of course it was illegal to go fight in spain so that is consistent with America and  there total hatred of freedom
 
OOF
2017-01-11 12:41:40 AM  
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2017-01-11 12:46:18 AM  

albatros183: Only for idiots, it is maybe possible to make this argument after wwII but not before unless you think all the other fascists where a good thing, in which case I think the 15th Lincoln brigade might want some words, of course it was illegal to go fight in spain so that is consistent with America and there total hatred of freedom


Yeah, Uncle Joe was all about freedom! The freedom for millions to starve to death.
 
2017-01-11 12:47:03 AM  

Repo Man: albatros183: I won't list the death camps in Poland because only an idiot would think that the soviets where equivalent to the nazis.

Which is why we allied Soviets them against the Nazis. But just because they took the silver compared to the Nazis' gold medal in the genocide Olympics doesn't mean they were good guys. Stalin was a lesser evil when contrasted with Hitler, but the difference was a matter of degree.


don't argue that russians bad because the invaded poland and killed poles when nazis invaded the other half of the country and set up systematic murder camps there, it wasn't a matter of degree the russians did not systematically murder any one they did fail to support people they should have Kraków is a good example but failing to liberate places is oddly  not the same as shipping people to be murdered there, your an idiot to make that comparison and you are clearly in the same mind set that gave the CIA to the SS in Europe and ultimately all of it because socialist scare my desire to dominate and harm people
 
2017-01-11 12:50:36 AM  

albatros183: don't argue that russians bad because the invaded poland and killed poles when nazis invaded the other half of the country and set up systematic murder camps there, it wasn't a matter of degree the russians did not systematically murder any one they did fail to support people they should have Kraków is a good example but failing to liberate places is oddly not the same as shipping people to be murdered there, your an idiot to make that comparison and you are clearly in the same mind set that gave the CIA to the SS in Europe and ultimately all of it because socialist scare my desire to dominate and harm people


img.fark.net
 
2017-01-11 12:50:48 AM  

albatros183: Repo Man: albatros183: I won't list the death camps in Poland because only an idiot would think that the soviets where equivalent to the nazis.

Which is why we allied Soviets them against the Nazis. But just because they took the silver compared to the Nazis' gold medal in the genocide Olympics doesn't mean they were good guys. Stalin was a lesser evil when contrasted with Hitler, but the difference was a matter of degree.

don't argue that russians bad because the invaded poland and killed poles when nazis invaded the other half of the country and set up systematic murder camps there, it wasn't a matter of degree the russians did not systematically murder any one they did fail to support people they should have Kraków is a good example but failing to liberate places is oddly  not the same as shipping people to be murdered there, your an idiot to make that comparison and you are clearly in the same mind set that gave the CIA to the SS in Europe and ultimately all of it because socialist scare my desire to dominate and harm people


Bro, do you even punctuation?
 
2017-01-11 12:51:16 AM  

Repo Man: albatros183: Only for idiots, it is maybe possible to make this argument after wwII but not before unless you think all the other fascists where a good thing, in which case I think the 15th Lincoln brigade might want some words, of course it was illegal to go fight in spain so that is consistent with America and there total hatred of freedom

Yeah, Uncle Joe was all about freedom! The freedom for millions to starve to death.


yes saying the soviets where not as bad as the standard of the worst people that have ever existed is totally the same as saying they are all about freedom, fascist are idiots and hate freedom, you should probably stop defending them
 
2017-01-11 12:53:16 AM  

Smoking GNU: albatros183: Repo Man: albatros183: I won't list the death camps in Poland because only an idiot would think that the soviets where equivalent to the nazis.

Which is why we allied Soviets them against the Nazis. But just because they took the silver compared to the Nazis' gold medal in the genocide Olympics doesn't mean they were good guys. Stalin was a lesser evil when contrasted with Hitler, but the difference was a matter of degree.

don't argue that russians bad because the invaded poland and killed poles when nazis invaded the other half of the country and set up systematic murder camps there, it wasn't a matter of degree the russians did not systematically murder any one they did fail to support people they should have Kraków is a good example but failing to liberate places is oddly  not the same as shipping people to be murdered there, your an idiot to make that comparison and you are clearly in the same mind set that gave the CIA to the SS in Europe and ultimately all of it because socialist scare my desire to dominate and harm people

Bro, do you even punctuation?


I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE POLITICS TAB!

no  of course i dont and i dont appropriatly capitalise or spell checj
 
2017-01-11 12:54:42 AM  

albatros183: you should probably stop defending them


Saying that Stalin was only slightly less bad than Hitler in the category of being a brutally repressive genocidal dictator is hardly a defense of fascism. I sincerely hope that you are really drunk right now, and will be severely embarrassed when you read what you have posted in the morning.
 
2017-01-11 12:57:53 AM  
No, I've got it, you're doing a character like Archy right? Cockroaches have trouble with punctuation.
 
2017-01-11 01:09:55 AM  

Repo Man: albatros183: you should probably stop defending them

Saying that Stalin was only slightly less bad than Hitler in the category of being a brutally repressive genocidal dictator is hardly a defense of fascism. I sincerely hope that you are really drunk right now, and will be severely embarrassed when you read what you have posted in the morning.


No I won't because I am not wrong but you are to equivocate them I;, not defending stalin as you suggest, I am saying that the nazis systematically exterminated 12 ish million people and that isn't counting war or incidental dead, I mean 20 million russian soldiers died in the war, that's not counting civilians, poland suffered massive casualties from the nazis when they invaded but you want to pretend that the russians where the bad guys and conflate during and post war, in fact in the end poland was out of the soviet union first got the most support internationally and was one of the most free soviet block nations I seem to remember going to solidarity demonstrations in the mid 80's, what you are defending is absurd and wrong defending nazis just doesn't have a place
 
2017-01-11 01:14:42 AM  
Well this is the first "BUTBUTBUT NAZIS!" i've seen in quite a while.
 
2017-01-11 01:15:13 AM  

albatros183: NEDM: Satanic_Hamster: Repo Man: The Soviet invasion of Poland was nearly as evil, but gets much less attention. And a truly shocking number of people in the U.S. don't know that the Soviets invaded Finland.

Much to their regret:
[static3.fjcdn.com image 318x414]

They still won, and were driving on Helsinki with no way for the Finnish Army to stop them when the Finns finally begged for an armistice.  Running up the casualty count doesn't mean jackshiat if the enemy can take the losses and you can't.

/the war was still completely mishandled by the Soviets
//the shock they got out of the Winter War is arguably what let them survive the German Invasion, because they were a year into reorganizing the Red Army to take into account the lessons they learned

it doesn't help that the fins collaborated with the nazis because  scarry socialist. That is the justification for the money given to the isi to create al quedia but lets just forget that the US has created terrorist and supported fascist including the nazis because workers! cant have anything threaten the very very few


No, they collaborated with the Nazis because they wanted the land the Soviets had just taken from them at gunpoint back.  We were literally just talking about the Winter War.
 
2017-01-11 01:20:49 AM  

albatros183: I am saying that the nazis systematically exterminated 12 ish million people


And as I linked to before, Stalin knowingly starved "3 million to 3.5 million" just during the Holodomor, never mind all of the other purges and executions. And thousands were executed by the Soviets at Katyn (previously linked) and hundreds of thousands of Poles were sent to Siberia after the Soviets invaded. In this case, less bad was still very,very bad.
 
2017-01-11 01:46:33 AM  
Well my replies are going poof again, so I'm out, reply to you NEDM but I can't rewrite the couple of paragraphs, added to the open ticket maybe they can figure out why it keeps happening to me and others...

blah out
 
2017-01-11 01:46:56 AM  
I'll bet her life story would make a pretty great movie
 
2017-01-11 02:06:51 AM  
She Is ... The Most Interesting Woman In The World.
 
2017-01-11 02:55:57 AM  

albatros183: Well my replies are going poof again, so I'm out, reply to you NEDM but I can't rewrite the couple of paragraphs, added to the open ticket maybe they can figure out why it keeps happening to me and others...

blah out


I'm just saying that in 1941, there were two powers worth a damn in continental Europe: Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.  The Soviets had just waged a war of aggression against Finland, Germany was currently kicking the Soviet's shiat in, and the horrific crimes the Germans were committing in occupied Poland were still a closely guarded secret.  It's pretty clear which country Finland would align with.
 
2017-01-11 02:57:39 AM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: She Is ... The Most Interesting Woman In The World.


Was.
 
2017-01-11 05:06:01 AM  
Wow, my first green light i think after all the years I've been on fark! I feel like 2017 is looking up.
The article mentioned she reported '10 tank divisions' but there was only 9. Details. I was pretty impressed with this lady's career after what I read.
 
2017-01-11 06:42:22 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Repo Man: The Soviet invasion of Poland was nearly as evil, but gets much less attention. And a truly shocking number of people in the U.S. don't know that the Soviets invaded Finland.

Much to their regret:
[static3.fjcdn.com image 318x414]


Yeah, full contact biathlon is a sport Finland excels at
 
2017-01-11 06:46:19 AM  

albatros183: Repo Man: albatros183: it doesn't help that the fins collaborated with the nazis because scarry socialist.

That didn't happen until after Barbarossa. At that point they had little choice but to throw in their lot with the Germans, since no one else had been willing to help them. And the Soviets were indeed quite scary - ask the Poles.

Over 20,000 Polish military personnel and civilians perished in the Katyn massacre.[1][82] Torture was used by the NKVD on a wide scale in various prisons, especially those in small towns.[102]

I won't list the death camps in Poland because only an idiot would think that the soviets where equivalent to the nazis. Americans collaborated with the SS and basicly let them take over the OSS / CIA after the war and so here we are with domestic surveillance the stazi and the SS could only deam about and continuous propaganda that the inventor of propaganda could only dream of. Edward Bernays is the real progenitor of Goebbels ,not to mention the bushes, the Dulles


Actually, though it took longer, the Soviets murdered several times more people than the Nazis.  But the Chicoms under Mao win the overall prize in the 20th century.
 
2017-01-11 06:49:41 AM  

Repo Man: albatros183: I won't list the death camps in Poland because only an idiot would think that the soviets where equivalent to the nazis.

Which is why we allied Soviets them against the Nazis. But just because they took the silver compared to the Nazis' gold medal in the genocide Olympics doesn't mean they were good guys. Stalin was a lesser evil when contrasted with Hitler, but the difference was a matter of degree.


Actually, they took silver in the 20th Century compared to China.  Nazi Germany only gets the bronze.  And even that one may not be deserved: the Khmer Rouge killed a higher percentage of their population in a shorter amount of time than all of them.
 
2017-01-11 06:57:45 AM  

albatros183: Satanic_Hamster: albatros183: it doesn't help that the fins collaborated with the nazis because  scarry socialist. That is the justification for the money given to the isi to create al quedia but lets just forget that the US has created terrorist and supported fascist including the nazis because workers! cant have anything threaten the very very few

Eh.  For most of Europe, choosing who the bigger sack of shiat was, Hitler or Stalin, was really a coin toss.

Only for idiots, it is maybe possible to make this argument after wwII but not before unless you think all the other fascists where a good thing, in which case I think the 15th Lincoln brigade might want  some words, of course it was illegal to go fight in spain so that is consistent with America and  there total hatred of freedom


Nope.  Stalin was objectively worse because he killed more people.  The NKVD actually had quotas of executions they had to fill, so it didn't matter if you were a good commie or not.

But thanks to media assholes like Walter Duranty, the US was kept in the dark about the approximately 62 million people the Soviet Union killed outside of war.
 
2017-01-11 06:58:59 AM  

albatros183: Repo Man: albatros183: I won't list the death camps in Poland because only an idiot would think that the soviets where equivalent to the nazis.

Which is why we allied Soviets them against the Nazis. But just because they took the silver compared to the Nazis' gold medal in the genocide Olympics doesn't mean they were good guys. Stalin was a lesser evil when contrasted with Hitler, but the difference was a matter of degree.

don't argue that russians bad because the invaded poland and killed poles when nazis invaded the other half of the country and set up systematic murder camps there, it wasn't a matter of degree the russians did not systematically murder any one they did fail to support people they should have Kraków is a good example but failing to liberate places is oddly  not the same as shipping people to be murdered there, your an idiot to make that comparison and you are clearly in the same mind set that gave the CIA to the SS in Europe and ultimately all of it because socialist scare my desire to dominate and harm people


The Soviets had murder camps before, during, and after WWII.
 
2017-01-11 07:01:23 AM  

albatros183: Repo Man: albatros183: Only for idiots, it is maybe possible to make this argument after wwII but not before unless you think all the other fascists where a good thing, in which case I think the 15th Lincoln brigade might want some words, of course it was illegal to go fight in spain so that is consistent with America and there total hatred of freedom

Yeah, Uncle Joe was all about freedom! The freedom for millions to starve to death.

yes saying the soviets where not as bad as the standard of the worst people that have ever existed is totally the same as saying they are all about freedom, fascist are idiots and hate freedom, you should probably stop defending them


That murderous Stalinist dick must be tasty for you to suck it so much.

You're not even close, btw.  The Maoist Chinese killed 77 million people.
 
2017-01-11 09:20:02 AM  

albatros183: . Americans collaborated with the SS and basicly let them take over the OSS / CIA after the war


It was only fair. We let  MI-6 and the NKVD set it up.

Donovan was the biggest fool on that ship of fools. He was like a stupider Petain. Petain's mistakes are at least explicable.
 
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