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2017-01-10 10:05:48 AM  
Oh please JJ, just one for for us...
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2017-01-10 10:27:33 AM  
The only reason he got the STAR TREK and STAR WARS gigs was due to the shortsightedness of the
studios, who only knew him as "That guy from LOST who all the nerds think is a genius", and not as a
hack who is great at setting up scenarios and louzy at ending them.
 
2017-01-10 10:29:57 AM  
Reboot.

Singular.

The Force Awakens was a continuation of an existing narrative. Not a reboot or a remake.
 
2017-01-10 10:32:15 AM  

Snapper Carr: Reboot.

Singular.

The Force Awakens was a continuation of an existing narrative. Not a reboot or a remake.


See, that's where you're wrong.
 
2017-01-10 10:34:32 AM  
Thank GOD! Force Awakens was a steaming pile of bantha crap.
 
2017-01-10 10:37:56 AM  
Well none of his original movies have made much money and Lost was a good start-up with what became obvious had no pre-determined end thus it ended as the bag of poo on fire that it deserved.
 
2017-01-10 10:46:37 AM  

wemedge: Thank GOD! Force Awakens was a steaming pile of bantha crap poodoo.


ftfy.

And I rather liked Force Awakens. It was amusing.
 
2017-01-10 10:54:06 AM  

bobug: wemedge: Thank GOD! Force Awakens was a steaming pile of bantha crap poodoo.

ftfy.

And I rather liked Force Awakens. It was amusing.


It won't go down as a cinema classic like Empire Strikes Back, or even A New Hope, but it was farking leagues better than the prequel movies.  And that's what Disney needed.  They needed a solidly decent movie that would get people back into Star Wars.
 
2017-01-10 10:56:03 AM  

IgG4: Oh please JJ, just one for for us...
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There will never be a decent Megabyte as long as Tony Jay remains dead.
 
2017-01-10 11:00:55 AM  

wemedge: Thank GOD! Force Awakens was a steaming pile of bantha crap.


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2017-01-10 11:08:08 AM  

NeoCortex42: bobug: wemedge: Thank GOD! Force Awakens was a steaming pile of bantha crap poodoo.

ftfy.

And I rather liked Force Awakens. It was amusing.

It won't go down as a cinema classic like Empire Strikes Back, or even A New Hope, but it was farking leagues better than the prequel movies.  And that's what Disney needed.  They needed a solidly decent movie that would get people back into Star Wars.


Yes, and it also recaptured the feel of the originals... which is what I wanted. I am not expecting Shakespeare in Space. But I wanted fun that wasn't TOO campy/stupid.
 
2017-01-10 11:09:42 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: The only reason he got the STAR TREK and STAR WARS gigs was due to the shortsightedness of the
studios, who only knew him as "That guy from LOST who all the nerds think is a genius", and not as a
hack who is great at setting up scenarios and louzy at ending them.


I have always thought that his TV work was far better than his movie work.
 
2017-01-10 11:16:14 AM  

Cepheus Crater: Well none of his original movies have made much money and Lost was a good start-up with what became obvious had no pre-determined end thus it ended as the bag of poo on fire that it deserved.


He did a good job ending Alias, seemed like they had figured out the eventual endgame far enough in advance that it worked quite well.

(I don't think they had that end planned from the beginning though, as if I remember correctly the Rambaldi stuff was supposed to be more of a MacGuffin rather than what it became)
 
2017-01-10 11:18:10 AM  

NeoCortex42: It won't go down as a cinema classic like Empire Strikes Back, or even A New Hope, but it was farking leagues better than the prequel movies.  And that's what Disney needed.  They needed a solidly decent movie that would get people back into Star Wars.


Yeah, and there are a lot of people who seem to want to rewrite history with regards to Empire being universally beloved when it came out, and forget that people were whining about it being a rehash of the original. For the record, it only sold half the tickets ANH did when it was released.

I think if Rian Johnson manages to build upon the new elements introduced in TFA, fans will eventually grow to have a greater appreciation for it. If it's just more of a rehash, then some of the hatred will be justified.

/The Force Awakens was entertaining.
//Stop whining.
 
2017-01-10 11:22:11 AM  

NeoCortex42: bobug: wemedge: Thank GOD! Force Awakens was a steaming pile of bantha crap poodoo.

ftfy.

And I rather liked Force Awakens. It was amusing.

It won't go down as a cinema classic like Empire Strikes Back, or even A New Hope, but it was farking leagues better than the prequel movies.  And that's what Disney needed.  They needed a solidly decent movie that would get people back into Star Wars.


The Force Awakens was ok. I'm not a big Star Wars fan (no real investment in any of the characters), and it seemed a re-thread of parts of the original trilogy, but I didn't feel cheated or that I'd wasted my time at the end of the film.
On the other hand Rogue One was, for me at least, a very good film; if Disney needed a solid film to get people back into Star Wars they delivered in spades with that one.
 
2017-01-10 11:35:02 AM  

GQueue: Cepheus Crater: Well none of his original movies have made much money and Lost was a good start-up with what became obvious had no pre-determined end thus it ended as the bag of poo on fire that it deserved.

He did a good job ending Alias, seemed like they had figured out the eventual endgame far enough in advance that it worked quite well.

(I don't think they had that end planned from the beginning though, as if I remember correctly the Rambaldi stuff was supposed to be more of a MacGuffin rather than what it became)


Alias got really lost in the third/fourth seasons. I never watch the end of the series, but it was clearly headed in the wrong direction when I stopped. It loved its plot twists too much and got bogged down in resolving them.
 
2017-01-10 11:35:46 AM  
I happened to enjoy both Star Trek and Force Awakens. They were needed to reinvigorate two stale and/or dying franchises.

In fact, I was all right with FA having some recycled elements from the OT. Lest we forget, there hadn't been a good Star Wars film since 1983. Before people could trust a new direction for the franchise, they had to first trust that Star Wars could be good. FA was the proof of concept. RO proved that in spades.

So I'm appreciative of Force Awakens. It did exactly what was needed, and this year we will see whether our faith in the new trilogy is justified.
 
2017-01-10 11:45:54 AM  

GQueue: Cepheus Crater: Well none of his original movies have made much money and Lost was a good start-up with what became obvious had no pre-determined end thus it ended as the bag of poo on fire that it deserved.

He did a good job ending Alias, seemed like they had figured out the eventual endgame far enough in advance that it worked quite well.

(I don't think they had that end planned from the beginning though, as if I remember correctly the Rambaldi stuff was supposed to be more of a MacGuffin rather than what it became)


I will concede your point on Alias, that did wrapped up nicely.
 
2017-01-10 11:49:17 AM  
Rian Johnson farted better episodes of Breaking Bad than anything JJ's ever done. Rogue One proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Force Awakens sucked and JJ Abrams sucks.
 
2017-01-10 11:56:36 AM  

soporific: I happened to enjoy both Star Trek and Force Awakens. They were needed to reinvigorate two stale and/or dying franchises.

In fact, I was all right with FA having some recycled elements from the OT. Lest we forget, there hadn't been a good Star Wars film since 1983. Before people could trust a new direction for the franchise, they had to first trust that Star Wars could be good. FA was the proof of concept. RO proved that in spades.

So I'm appreciative of Force Awakens. It did exactly what was needed, and this year we will see whether our faith in the new trilogy is justified.


Bingo. It's on essentially the same level as Return of the Jedi. There are things it did that it shouldn't have, and there are things it didn't do that it could have, but overall it worked.

I liked Rey, Poe, Finn, and BB-8 on the "good guys" side, Maz could go somewhere interesting as a fringe character, I absolutely love Kylo Ren - the idea of a flawed kid who has mastered only one or two key skills instead of an all-powerful dark lord is very compelling. And Hux, Phasma, and Snoke have potential as villains. I also think Chewie was slightly better utilized in The Force Awakens than in the original trilogy - just part of Pixar/Disney's natural evolution with nonverbal characters.

I hate the Rathtars, some of the stupid callbacks should have been cut (especially a stormtrooper saying "we think they may be splitting up"), and Threepio contributed farkall to the finished movie. And the universe building was weak overall - I have no idea how much of the galaxy is/was controlled by the Republic, how much is controlled by the First Order, or how much is just struggling on its own right now. And the result of the weak universe building left the Death Star mark 3 as being just another callback element instead of being something worthwhile on its own.

But even with its warts, I walked out of that theater feeling like I'd waited over thirty years to see that movie. I sure as hell never felt that way about a single moment of the prequels.
 
2017-01-10 11:57:57 AM  
I don't see TFA as a reboot, but rather as an homage to the original trilogy. As such it was highly entertaining.
 
2017-01-10 12:20:44 PM  
The Force Awakens was a palate cleanser that was needed after the awful prequels. Now bring on the main course.
 
2017-01-10 12:51:00 PM  
FTFA: that Exosquad cartoon

fark reboots, I just want them to resolve that cliffhanger.

/although getting a better animated but otherwise faithful version of Exosquad would not be bad at all.
 
2017-01-10 01:08:19 PM  
Bet he's not done with lens flares, though.
 
2017-01-10 01:14:14 PM  
1 Star Wars
2 Empire Strikes Back
3 Return of the Jedi
4 Rogue One
5 a movie to be named later
6 another movie to be named later
7 The Force Awakens
8 there are no other movies

Rogue One makes TFA look empty. The density of people, space ships and other awesome scenery of Rogue One showed some serious flaws in Abrams' film making capabilities.
 
2017-01-10 01:17:20 PM  

McGrits: 1 Star Wars
2 Empire Strikes Back
3 Return of the Jedi
4 Rogue One
5 a movie to be named later
6 another movie to be named later
7 The Force Awakens
8 there are no other movies

Rogue One makes TFA look empty. The density of people, space ships and other awesome scenery of Rogue One showed some serious flaws in Abrams' film making capabilities.


Rogue one was a disjointed mess with random characters and story lines added and then ended for "reason!"

And it was still the third best Star Wars movie.
 
2017-01-10 01:18:06 PM  

bobug: NeoCortex42: bobug: wemedge: Thank GOD! Force Awakens was a steaming pile of bantha crap poodoo.

ftfy.

And I rather liked Force Awakens. It was amusing.

It won't go down as a cinema classic like Empire Strikes Back, or even A New Hope, but it was farking leagues better than the prequel movies.  And that's what Disney needed.  They needed a solidly decent movie that would get people back into Star Wars.

Yes, and it also recaptured the feel of the originals... which is what I wanted. I am not expecting Shakespeare in Space. But I wanted fun that wasn't TOO campy/stupid.


It captured the essence of the originals because all it did was rehash them, except BIGGER. Not a space station the size of a moon, it's the size of a planet. And of course they just blew it up with ease.

J.J. Abrams is a hack with no imagination.
 
2017-01-10 01:23:43 PM  

soporific: I happened to enjoy both Star Trek and Force Awakens. They were needed to reinvigorate two stale and/or dying franchises.


Agreed, and both franchises had reached the stale/dying stage by the time Abrams was brought in.

The last couple of Trek films had tanked at the box office (Nemesis especially so) and Enterprise had been cancelled.  Fans had grown weary of the Age of Technobabble and Bumpy Foreheads, and the franchise wasn't going to survive on novels and comics alone.  It needed to change in order to appeal to a wider audience, not just to the diehard Trek nerds (of which I'm one of them).

The Star Wars franchise, while not in as dire a state as Star Trek, was also in need of reinvigorating.  Disney/Lucasfilm had trimmed off the (mostly) blubber that was the EU and needed to regain the fans' faith after the dismal reception of the prequels.  It was not a time to take chances by way of radical changes from formula, and Abrams (major Star Wars fan that he was and because of his undeniable success with the Star Trek reboot films) was the guy to go to for bringing the franchise back from the brink.  The Force Awakens, while obviously similar in many ways to A New Hope, made Star Wars fun again (at least, it did for me).  The new characters were interesting, the classic ones were a joy to see again, the dialogue was sharp and witty...it was what Star Wars needed to be in order to come back to life.

I just shake my head at these whiny fans who biatch and moan about TFA (and Rogue One, to a lesser extent).   They'll say in one breath that TFA was too similar to A New Hope and didn't do anything new and original, and in the next they'll complain that there was no opening crawl in Rogue One, the music didn't have enough of the John Williams "feel" and that it needed more Darth Vader.  I've pretty much dismissed most of Star Wars fandom from now on as perpetually incapable of being satisfied.  No matter what Disney/Lucasfilm does, the fans will always find something to bellyache incessantly about.
 
2017-01-10 01:26:12 PM  
So, he's retiring?
 
2017-01-10 01:31:23 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: bobug: NeoCortex42: bobug: wemedge: Thank GOD! Force Awakens was a steaming pile of bantha crap poodoo.

ftfy.

And I rather liked Force Awakens. It was amusing.

It won't go down as a cinema classic like Empire Strikes Back, or even A New Hope, but it was farking leagues better than the prequel movies.  And that's what Disney needed.  They needed a solidly decent movie that would get people back into Star Wars.

Yes, and it also recaptured the feel of the originals... which is what I wanted. I am not expecting Shakespeare in Space. But I wanted fun that wasn't TOO campy/stupid.

It captured the essence of the originals because all it did was rehash them, except BIGGER. Not a space station the size of a moon, it's the size of a planet. And of course they just blew it up with ease.

J.J. Abrams is a hack with no imagination.


It got us Rogue One, which I really enjoyed.
 
2017-01-10 01:31:32 PM  

soporific: I happened to enjoy both Star Trek and Force Awakens. They were needed to reinvigorate two stale and/or dying franchises.

If you enjoyed it, fine, but reinvigoration implies adding new ideas to a franchise while keeping the spirit alive.  What they did was bring back all the frosting and throw away the cake, much to the delight of today's "all gratification, all the time" audience.  It worked, OK, but it's more like taxidermy than reinvigoration.
 
2017-01-10 01:33:28 PM  

wemedge: Thank GOD! Force Awakens was a steaming pile of bantha crap.


No it wasn't. You're just a liar looking for attention.
 
2017-01-10 01:38:38 PM  

dragonchild: soporific: I happened to enjoy both Star Trek and Force Awakens. They were needed to reinvigorate two stale and/or dying franchises.
If you enjoyed it, fine, but reinvigoration implies adding new ideas to a franchise while keeping the spirit alive.  What they did was bring back all the frosting and throw away the cake, much to the delight of today's "all gratification, all the time" audience.  It worked, OK, but it's more like taxidermy than reinvigoration.


And what "new ideas" would you have suggested for The Force Awakens?  I'm assuming you have some thought as to what would have made the movie better.  I'm not asking to be a jerk; I'm actually looking for an answer, because for all the complaining the TFA haters occupy their time with, I've seen little in the way of detailed, cogent and reasonable suggestions and thoughts as to what the movie could have done better.  And I'm not just talking "not doing the same things as A New Hope" level of suggestions/thoughts.  I'm talking DETAILS; actual ideas and concepts that could have been either added or swapped in place of something less satisfying.

I just want to see the haters put reason where their ranting is.
 
2017-01-10 01:40:52 PM  

AgtSmithReloaded: dragonchild: soporific: I happened to enjoy both Star Trek and Force Awakens. They were needed to reinvigorate two stale and/or dying franchises.
If you enjoyed it, fine, but reinvigoration implies adding new ideas to a franchise while keeping the spirit alive.  What they did was bring back all the frosting and throw away the cake, much to the delight of today's "all gratification, all the time" audience.  It worked, OK, but it's more like taxidermy than reinvigoration.

And what "new ideas" would you have suggested for The Force Awakens?  I'm assuming you have some thought as to what would have made the movie better.  I'm not asking to be a jerk; I'm actually looking for an answer, because for all the complaining the TFA haters occupy their time with, I've seen little in the way of detailed, cogent and reasonable suggestions and thoughts as to what the movie could have done better.  And I'm not just talking "not doing the same things as A New Hope" level of suggestions/thoughts.  I'm talking DETAILS; actual ideas and concepts that could have been either added or swapped in place of something less satisfying.

I just want to see the haters put reason where their ranting is.


I only saw it once, but I would have liked if the super awesome pilot dude had actually died.  It provided an emotional gravity, and I felt robbed when he popped back up "Hai Guyz!".

/Now flagellate me, you cretins
 
2017-01-10 01:48:17 PM  

born_yesterday: AgtSmithReloaded: dragonchild: soporific: I happened to enjoy both Star Trek and Force Awakens. They were needed to reinvigorate two stale and/or dying franchises.
If you enjoyed it, fine, but reinvigoration implies adding new ideas to a franchise while keeping the spirit alive.  What they did was bring back all the frosting and throw away the cake, much to the delight of today's "all gratification, all the time" audience.  It worked, OK, but it's more like taxidermy than reinvigoration.

And what "new ideas" would you have suggested for The Force Awakens?  I'm assuming you have some thought as to what would have made the movie better.  I'm not asking to be a jerk; I'm actually looking for an answer, because for all the complaining the TFA haters occupy their time with, I've seen little in the way of detailed, cogent and reasonable suggestions and thoughts as to what the movie could have done better.  And I'm not just talking "not doing the same things as A New Hope" level of suggestions/thoughts.  I'm talking DETAILS; actual ideas and concepts that could have been either added or swapped in place of something less satisfying.

I just want to see the haters put reason where their ranting is.

I only saw it once, but I would have liked if the super awesome pilot dude had actually died.  It provided an emotional gravity, and I felt robbed when he popped back up "Hai Guyz!".

/Now flagellate me, you cretins


I'll agree that they should've included some scene or dialogue explaining how Poe survived.  But I find it amusing that you felt his death would've provided emotional gravity when other Star Wars fans claim that the deaths of the Rogue One team were just "deaths for the sake of drama" or had no emotional impact because we didn't know or care enough about them.  And we knew even less about Poe by the moment he would've died than we did about any of the Rogue One team by the end of that movie.  Maybe *you* didn't feel that way in relation to Rogue One, but according to many other outlets, many others did.

Again, for Disney/Lucasfilm, it's the ultimate case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't".  Star Wars fans are hopelessly incapable of being satisfied.
 
2017-01-10 02:07:33 PM  

AgtSmithReloaded: And what "new ideas" would you have suggested for The Force Awakens? I'm assuming you have some thought as to what would have made the movie better.

Basically an entirely different movie.  I do get that they wanted to recapture the spirit of the original for a new generation of moviegoers, but not only do I think they failed at that, it's a colossal failure of the imagination to think that recapturing the spirit means re-hashing the plot.  That's the sort of "creativity" you'd get from a marketing committee.
I could probably come up with several premises that weren't such a by-the-numbers regurgitation in a single brainstorming session, but is that what you're asking for in particular?  Whatever results the canned Fark response is of course, "that sucks no wonder you're not in charge of anything", but I wouldn't be out to prove I'm better but to show that they could've done a LOT more even with the constraints they had to work with.
 
2017-01-10 02:32:31 PM  

AgtSmithReloaded: And what "new ideas" would you have suggested for The Force Awakens?


How about no rehashed Death Star for starters and some chemistry between the old characters.
 
2017-01-10 03:43:41 PM  

Free Radical: AgtSmithReloaded: And what "new ideas" would you have suggested for The Force Awakens?

How about no rehashed Death Star for starters and some chemistry between the old characters.


I'd be good with keeping everything from before the Millenium Falcon and nothing from after it.
 
2017-01-10 03:53:59 PM  

emocomputerjock: Free Radical: AgtSmithReloaded: And what "new ideas" would you have suggested for The Force Awakens?

How about no rehashed Death Star for starters and some chemistry between the old characters.

I'd be good with keeping everything from before the Millenium Falcon and nothing from after it.


How about new ships. BB8 was the only really original thing in the movie.
 
2017-01-10 04:14:46 PM  
I have not seen any of his star wars stuff, but I learned to dislike him via lost and the fact the HE BLEW VULCAN UP . I know, Leonard Nimoy said " when jj calls- you take that call" , but.... argh.
Liked Simon Pegg as Scotty though, and some other aspects of that film.
 
2017-01-10 04:15:37 PM  

mjbok: emocomputerjock: Free Radical: AgtSmithReloaded: And what "new ideas" would you have suggested for The Force Awakens?

How about no rehashed Death Star for starters and some chemistry between the old characters.

I'd be good with keeping everything from before the Millenium Falcon and nothing from after it.

How about new ships. BB8 was the only really original thing in the movie.


Ironic that you say that, as I've seen online comments saying BB-8 was simply a "cute-ified" version of R2-D2.

And new ships?  Might've been nice if we had one or two new ones...like we got with Kylo Ren's command shuttle and the new Star Destroyer (while technically not a totally new ship was a completely new outward design).  But I have a feeling that if we had gotten all new fighters and ships, we'd hear the familiar whiny voices saying "Where are the X-Wings and Y-Wings?  What about the TIE Fighters?  It's not Star Wars without them!"  And you know damn well that's what we'd hear if they weren't in the movie.
 
2017-01-10 04:17:16 PM  

mjbok: How about new ships. BB8 was the only really original thing in the movie.


In Star Wars, a galactic republic had existed for 20,000 years. In that scale, how much of a difference do you think 30 years is going to make? That's like the equivalent of next year's model in the auto world. Star Destroyers and Death Stars are bigger, Stormtrooper armor got sleeker, TIE fighters added a second seat and better weapons, X-Wings added more weapons, and lightsabers now come with a dual-exhaust option. Sounds like a pretty good model year update to me.

AgtSmithReloaded: And what "new ideas" would you have suggested for The Force Awakens?


Oh, come on now. I completely get his point.

-Don't you remember how in the first film, Leia got captured in the first scene, then busted out in the third scene by an Imperial defector?
-And how that Imperial defector went on to duel against Vader at the end?
-Don't you remember Vader showing up on Tatooine's surface and destroying the entirety of Mos Eisley just to find R2-D2?
-And when Yoda took Luke downstairs at the Mos Eisley cantina to gave him Qui-Gon's lightsaber?
-And how Luke was already a skilled fighter who could hold his own against the aliens who tried to steal R2 from him?
-Remember when Luke used Qui-Gon's lightsaber and his newfound mastery of the Force to defeat Vader duel?
-And that happened while Leia led a group of X-Wing pilots to destroy the Death Star?
-Which almost failed until Chewie sabotaged part of the Death Star from the inside?

See? It's literally the same movie, scene for scene...

/I kinda understand some of the complaints - I just don't care because it was a real Star Wars movie
 
2017-01-10 04:24:41 PM  
One of my favourite films is mediocre at best
 
2017-01-10 06:32:15 PM  

AgtSmithReloaded: soporific: I happened to enjoy both Star Trek and Force Awakens. They were needed to reinvigorate two stale and/or dying franchises.

Agreed, and both franchises had reached the stale/dying stage by the time Abrams was brought in.

The last couple of Trek films had tanked at the box office (Nemesis especially so) and Enterprise had been cancelled.  Fans had grown weary of the Age of Technobabble and Bumpy Foreheads, and the franchise wasn't going to survive on novels and comics alone.  It needed to change in order to appeal to a wider audience, not just to the diehard Trek nerds (of which I'm one of them).

The Star Wars franchise, while not in as dire a state as Star Trek, was also in need of reinvigorating.  Disney/Lucasfilm had trimmed off the (mostly) blubber that was the EU and needed to regain the fans' faith after the dismal reception of the prequels.  It was not a time to take chances by way of radical changes from formula, and Abrams (major Star Wars fan that he was and because of his undeniable success with the Star Trek reboot films) was the guy to go to for bringing the franchise back from the brink.  The Force Awakens, while obviously similar in many ways to A New Hope, made Star Wars fun again (at least, it did for me).  The new characters were interesting, the classic ones were a joy to see again, the dialogue was sharp and witty...it was what Star Wars needed to be in order to come back to life.

I just shake my head at these whiny fans who biatch and moan about TFA (and Rogue One, to a lesser extent).   They'll say in one breath that TFA was too similar to A New Hope and didn't do anything new and original, and in the next they'll complain that there was no opening crawl in Rogue One, the music didn't have enough of the John Williams "feel" and that it needed more Darth Vader.  I've pretty much dismissed most of Star Wars fandom from now on as perpetually incapable of being satisfied.  No matter what Disney/Lucasfilm does, the fans will always find something to bellyache incessantly about.


When you grow up with something and live with it for decades, you tend to accept it on its own terms. When something new gets added, especially after a long gap, that part of your brain that holds the more developed tastes in entertainment that you've accumulated in the intervening timespan kicks on and suddenly you're evaluating the new entry according to standards that the original probably wouldn't hold up to, because the old one gets viewed through the lens of what you liked then and the new one is viewed through the lens of what you like now.

As someone who was born well after the original trilogy, I didn't realize that people didn't like RotJ as much as the other two until well after the prequels had come out. To me, the original trilogy was just the original trilogy. It wasn't something I really evaluated as separate parts that I compared against one another and looked at how later movies impacted the previous ones. It was all just one story that was great all the way through.

I was still young enough to enjoy Phantom Menace when it came out, and kind of thought as I got older that something similar would happen with people who grew up with all six movies accepting them more than the fans who had loved the series for decades before the prequels came out.

Then I rewatched the prequels  before TFA came out and, yeah, they're just really not good movies. No amount of childhood nostalgia is going to make them all that enjoyable to watch with an adult brain.

That said, I do think that's what's going to happen with Force Awakens. It's competently made so it's not going to break the rose tinted glasses the way the prequels do, and for the generations who are raised with it, there's not going to be as much second-guessing and questioning of story choices. That's just going to be what the story is.
 
2017-01-10 06:53:53 PM  

clkeagle: In Star Wars, a galactic republic had existed for 20,000 years. In that scale, how much of a difference do you think 30 years is going to make? That's like the equivalent of next year's model in the auto world. Star Destroyers and Death Stars are bigger, Stormtrooper armor got sleeker, TIE fighters added a second seat and better weapons, X-Wings added more weapons, and lightsabers now come with a dual-exhaust option. Sounds like a pretty good model year update to me.


Star Wars to Empire to Jedi:  all had new ship variations and new ships while still including the old ones.

Prequels:  New ships in each one, evolving over time.

That lightsaber cross guard was not a feature, it was because it was a homebrew model.
 
2017-01-10 07:09:10 PM  
Please, JJ!  We need you to member!
 
2017-01-10 08:23:25 PM  

mjbok: Star Wars to Empire to Jedi:  all had new ship variations and new ships while still including the old ones.


That's called "this movie has a bigger budget for models, and we still have and appreciate the old ones"

We had no reason to believe any of those ILM ships were "new" models that didn't come off the assembly line until the time between the battles of Yavin and Endor. The movies never even so much as hinted at any of them being new. And that's just the original source material. Between Rebels and Rogue One, we now know that the A-Wing was already in common use (just more carrier-based than airfield-based), the B-Wing had also been around for a few years, and the AT-AT, AT-ST, TIE Bomber, Imperial shuttle, Rebel frigate, and Mon Cal ships were in use well before Empire and Jedi.

We had no reason to see Snowspeeders, Cloud Cars, AT-STs or AT-ATs in the first film. So I never assumed they weren't "available' until the time of Empire. We had no reason to see a sail barge or desert skiff in Empire Strikes Back, or any reason to assume we were seeing 100% of the Rebel fleet at the end. Hell, for all we knew from the original film trilogy, the X-Wing could have been the absolute newest piece of tech in the entire galaxy.

mjbok: Prequels:  New ships in each one, evolving over time.


You mean like the Slave 1, Tantive IV, and Millennium Falcon? They sure evolved a LOT over the time between the prequels and the time of the original trilogy, didn't they? And that goes double for R2 units.

mjbok: That lightsaber cross guard was not a feature, it was because it was a homebrew model.


...I guess jokes aren't funny if I have to explain them.
 
2017-01-10 08:29:17 PM  

Delta1212: That said, I do think that's what's going to happen with Force Awakens. It's competently made so it's not going to break the rose tinted glasses the way the prequels do, and for the generations who are raised with it, there's not going to be as much second-guessing and questioning of story choices. That's just going to be what the story is.


As long as Episodes 8 and 9 don't completely fark up the new characters, I think The Force Awakens will ultimately be remembered in a positive light. And if they are truly good films, The Force Awakens will be remembered as the lifeline that pulled Star Wars back from oblivion.
 
6 days ago  
People complain that a movie about history repeating itself is a rehash, news at 11.

Also complaining about the Death Star being in this movie is like watching a world war 1 movie about tanks and than complaining that there is tanks in a world war 2 movie. It's a weapon that has been shown to be able to blow up planets they're not just going to give up on that.
 
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